Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec 2014

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 19 Jan 2015 09:45

Shiv wrote:

But It occurs to me that the Paki army's survival plan ensures keeping nukes aimed at India alone and reassuring the US of this fact. The US would be quite happy and grateful for that

Assuming that this one pre-condition has not changed, i.e., Paki army and US interests coincide in having the paki army's nukes aimed at India, then the IS is an interesting new variable.

The paki army can either try and coopt the IS by unofficially allowing them control of NWFP in exchange for oil or some such barter, and this will allow a nice new tumor to grow in pakistan's along with all the old ones.

Or the paki army can try and resist the IS and kill all those entities that are switching over from pro-paki-army terrorist groups to the IS -- this seems harder as the ones switching sides are at the footsoldier/cannon fodder level.

But all this maybe irrelevant if the IS mofos do not really want to (or care to) expand out of the middle east into Pakistan at this time -- this is very likely given how little the Arab islamists care for the low-grade paki islamists. This increases the possibility of some them outsourcing IS propaganda and recruitment in Pakistan to some paki group, and the best entity of that job is the paki army, who are experienced in running a criminal mafia with a religious front for many decades now.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 19 Jan 2015 09:51

chetak wrote:

Their market has been trashed now and they are in a cash crunch.

I posted a link earlier to a paper on this topic of IS revenues from oil, and they seemed to be selling it at below market rates after taking control of Iraqi oil fields, but your overall point is what I am saying too.

However, depending on whether the IS wants to expand out of the region, or just stay in the region and challenge the monarchs (which seems to be a better plan for them), they may feel the need to acquire something else for all their oil, if they cannot get money for it.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 19 Jan 2015 10:44

Lots of khuji amongst the Pakis on the closure notice being served to PIA. Fuming and frothing over Modi, Hindu, RSS, small hearted etc etc. It may be noted that nothing rankles a Paki more than a major blow to their self-perceived H&D, and of course "blasphemy."

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 19 Jan 2015 11:02

How dare the Kaffir not pay my rightful jizzya and instead charge me for his services?!!!! We ruled over them for 1000 years. They ought to be grateful! Instead yindoo baniyas are showing their small hearts onreeeeee

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 19 Jan 2015 11:29

Kashi wrote:Lots of khuji amongst the Pakis on the closure notice being served to PIA. Fuming and frothing over Modi, Hindu, RSS, small hearted etc etc. It may be noted that nothing rankles a Paki more than a major blow to their self-perceived H&D, and of course "blasphemy."

They are most worried about " peepul to peepul " contacts''

The GOI simply said sell the flats and lease another property to continue your services. Must be a very lucrative service for them and one of their very few profitable routes.

otherwise such khujili is not warranted. That paki singer adnan sami also got into a very similar mess in bombay, go figure.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 19 Jan 2015 12:01

shiv wrote: My cup would be in "runneth over" condition is some Plutonium were to find its way into Xinjiang.

Then would be a great vindication of the law of Karma.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 19 Jan 2015 13:08

^^^
Confucius say:

Plutting plutonium down pakistan
Leads to big bang in Xing Jiang

If block no-clear
Bowl will runneth over

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 19 Jan 2015 14:14

SSridhar wrote:Akram Lahori executed in Kot Lakhpat jail

He was one of the founders of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi.

What is your take on it, SS-ji?

Raja Ram · Post by **Raja Ram** » 19 Jan 2015 14:37

The energy crisis in Pakistan is interesting to observe. It needs attention. It is yet another indication the speed in which Pakistan is hurtling towards implosion. Some facts to note:

1. Despite huge drop in petrol prices, Pakistan is not able to pay nor raise credit nor it is able to get free supply from Four father No1 the Saudis - despite its vassal being in charge and being in Riyadh with a begging bowl. He returns empty handed

2. There is no indication that Four Father No 2 the US is releasing any money despite tall claims - despite doing Amerika Bahadur's bidding and going silent on drones etc

3. There is no indication that Four Father No 3, the Chinese are coming up with a any offer to help with money or coal or petrol

4. RAPE class being hit and asked to wait at Bunks for non existent petrol is something that the class cannot accept

5. Very soon, Railways will stop running even skeletal services- Railway minister himself says only 14 days reserve left.

6. Army reserves of POL is being used by Army and they don't seem to have any left for sharing with civilians. Besides there is a little matter of Indian Army ready to shower more ammunition of the live kind across the LOC and the iB. Why even Indian CG boats are making Pakistani Terror boats go up in flames with precious POL on high seas.

7. There is no MMS in Delhi offering 50000 MW of power this time round.

8. Increased hanging of the more pure greens by the whisky drinking Khakis. The hungry and petrol starved abduls will now look upto the more angry pure greens to lead them to utopia

9. No trains, no petrol, means food movement will be restricted and prices will go up. There will be a shortage of everything including food in the next couple of months if this situation persists

All in all, this could be an inflexion point that can trigger a domino effect. What is needed is a match box to a tinder box full of TNT. We can depend on the PA to provide them the same.

This indeed has all the trappings of a defining moment in the making. Just another ramble. Take it for what it is worth.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 19 Jan 2015 15:08

Raja ram,

There is no crisis pe say. Only pretense to extract maximum money from 4 fathers. Railway runs less than 200 trains. Who will notice? The RAPE class do not drive themselves and are not standing at bunks. Food movement is at most By trucks, and most food js locally grown/eaten. Grass does not travel in trucks. Goats can ride on motorbikes.

Petrol wont be the cause of anything big. If you want change, produce copious amounts of charlie hebdo covers in gutters near rawalpindi messes. Wherever they are easiest to be discovered by abdul and ayesha. That is the cleansing route. I am not sure why there are not more "anonymous" uses of this strategy. Charlie hebdo ads in background of bollywood movies. charlie hebdo in person in islamabad theatre. temple of mohamned in newcasts in urdu. interview by mohanmed impersonator in news24. welcome samjhota express with pork dumplings and free copy of charlie hebdo. load a few charlie hebdo in the bathrooms of PIA planes. I mean why can only terrorists be sneaky. What would need to be done to a PIA plane if pages of al-kitab started falling out of the celing in the lavatory?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Jan 2015 15:12

schinnas wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Akram Lahori executed in Kot Lakhpat jail

He was one of the founders of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi.
What is your take on it, SS-ji?

Not 2 presume to interrupt SS-ji, but I am waiting to hear of Akram Lahori (a) addressing the Convocation as Guest Speaker at the Binori Madarssa and (b) his being 'confirmed' killed in at least 3 different visits by the National Bird.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 19 Jan 2015 15:52

Shreeman ji, you may be right petrol may not ignite the Puke deposits but could be just another version of the begging bowl. But Pukis need some newer trick to get the dough-nators to sign those cheques. What is that trick? They do not seem to have anything visible.

This news of PSO running out of funds has been developing for sometime with K Mehta ji spotting this in December (?). It was allowed to become this big or they tried and could not stop it from happening. How much fuel will half a billion from Curry - Luger buy them? Those $10 Billion + Forex are not being used by buy critical fuel, why? Why are the RAPES owning those big businesses not paying those energy bills?

If nothing else, the economy of TSP seems to have reached inflection point. A lot of sources of income for them have dried up. My guess is we have stopped a lot of income from FICN, narcotics, cheap SDRE goods across Wagah and we are squeezing more, like PIA.

Je Sui Charlie is something which may become source or the inflection point of collapse but the collapsing economy makes these causes of inflection point viable.

I absolutely agree with you on the 'Charlie Hebdo is Halal" flowing from all gutters of the p!sspot to our west. Now that we have thought of the idea lets think seriously on delivery.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 19 Jan 2015 16:51

UlanBatori wrote: Not 2 presume to interrupt SS-ji, but I am waiting to hear of Akram Lahori (a) addressing the Convocation as Guest Speaker at the Binori Madarssa and (b) his being 'confirmed' killed in at least 3 different visits by the National Bird.

Yudhisthira's "Ashwathama is dead" ploy to end Drone-acharya!?!

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 19 Jan 2015 17:01

deejay wrote: I absolutely agree with you on the 'Charlie Hebdo is Halal" flowing from all gutters of the p!sspot to our west. Now that we have thought of the idea lets think seriously on delivery.

Lets say some Abdul in Delhi and his nth cousin (n->∞ ) has a printing press.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Jan 2015 17:07

UlanBatori wrote:
schinnas wrote:{quote="SSridhar"}Akram Lahori executed in Kot Lakhpat jail

He was one of the founders of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi.{/quote}

What is your take on it, SS-ji?
. . . I am waiting to hear of Akram Lahori (a) addressing the Convocation as Guest Speaker at the Binori Madarssa and (b) his being 'confirmed' killed in at least 3 different visits by the National Bird.

As UBji says, any duplicity is possible in the Land of the Purest.

There is confusion now whether Akram Lahori was executed or somebody else. Such is Pakistan.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 19 Jan 2015 17:37

PSO running out of funds and this "circular" debt issue is a constantly recurring one, nothing new here. E.g., here is something from 2010:
http://southasiainvestor.blogspot.com/2 ... -debt.html
and you can find similar articles in 2011, 2012, ....

So one must put on one's thinking cap - what is new this time?
Speculating:

1. The 3.5 friends aren't paying this time.
2. IMF money is more important and IMF conditions are stricter now.
3. China in 2014 promised to build 16,000 MW generation capacity for Pakistan ($33 billion price tag). How can China recover its investment if Munna can't collect electricity dues?

Which all leads to the question - just what is Pakistan's problem in collecting electricity dues?

Which leads to my major speculation --- the Pakistani army is supposed to have deep hooks in the Pakistani economy, manufacturing cement and corn flakes and what not. What if they are the greatest defaulters on paying electricity dues? Who would dare say that? Who would dare try to collect from them?

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 19 Jan 2015 18:40

Pak promises to block terror attacks in India during Obama visit.

Ahead of President Barack Obama's visit to India, the US has asked Pakistan to ensure that there is no cross-border terror incident during the trip and warned of ''consequences'' if any such attack is traced back to the country.

Pakistan reportedly responded today by assuring the United States, its biggest source of funding, that it would prevent any such attack.

Pakistan's quick assurance to the US comes as just last week US Secretary of State John Kerry visited Islamabad and announced US assistance worth $250 million to the country.

Just days before Obama is to land in India, the US gave a clear warning to Pakistan to ensure that no terror activity from across the border should occur during the president's India visit.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Jan 2015 18:53

Vipul wrote:Pak promises to block terror attacks in India during Obama visit.

If TSP pauses its terror attacks for a week, then Kerry would certify that Pakistan had reined in terrorists including LeT and release the remaining installment of civilian aid.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 19 Jan 2015 19:04

What do you say to this?

Terror munna attacks India during visit of US prez!
Terror munna is an allie in war on terror.
US Prez tells pakis not to attack during visit of US Prez!
Pakis promise to block terror attacks during visit of US Prez!
Kerry will give certificate, pakis will show off the certificate all over the world - for not attacking India!

This is bizarre by any standards. Indians are to keep silent since terror munna pakis are allie in war on terror only!

member_23692 · Post by **member_23692** » 19 Jan 2015 19:13

vishvak wrote:What do you say to this?

Terror munna attacks India during visit of US prez!
Terror munna is an allie in war on terror.
US Prez tells pakis not to attack during visit of US Prez!
Pakis promise to block terror attacks during visit of US Prez!
Kerry will give certificate, pakis will show off the certificate all over the world - for not attacking India!

This is bizarre by any standards. Indians are to keep silent since terror munna pakis are allie in war on terror only!

No, Indians are to keep silent because Indians have not gotten their act together in the past 70 years and keep scoring self goals, so they are not in a position to question the obvious bad logic of Massa, leave aside stand up to them. And Massa knows it too, so it doesnt even attempt to be less brazen about it. And trust me, anyone else in Massa's position would have been even more shameless and thoughtless about it. Elementary my dear Watson!

Thank you.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Jan 2015 19:22

Vipul wrote:Pak promises to block terror attacks in India during Obama visit.

Ahead of President Barack Obama's visit to India, the US has asked Pakistan to ensure that there is no cross-border terror incident during the trip and warned of ''consequences'' if any such attack is traced back to the country.

Pakistan reportedly responded today by assuring the United States, its biggest source of funding, that it would prevent any such attack.

Pakistan's quick assurance to the US comes as just last week US Secretary of State John Kerry visited Islamabad and announced US assistance worth $250 million to the country.

Just days before Obama is to land in India, the US gave a clear warning to Pakistan to ensure that no terror activity from across the border should occur during the president's India visit.

These are beginning to look more and more like "planted" news items.

If there is no attack, then it will be taken to mean that Pakis obeyed the US. If there is an attack it will be taken to mean that Pakis did not obey. Either way Pakis are implicated and tied up with Republic Day Obama visit whether they like it or not.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 19 Jan 2015 20:02

Britain warns India of possible terror attack by ISIS

Arrested IS suspects in Bangladesh claim training in Pakistan

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 19 Jan 2015 20:13

Dipanker wrote:Britain warns India of possible terror attack by ISIS

Arrested IS suspects in Bangladesh claim training in Pakistan

So they are training IS jehaardies in TSP now? or these guys got trained under a different banner and switched to IS later?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 19 Jan 2015 21:11

Basically the Paki petrol crisis might be less benign than thought. Little birdie tells me that apparently IMF wanted a minimum level of forex before releasing the next tranche. Pakis in their tactical brilliance manipulated their oil imports to comply. They had violated the rest of IMF conditions like increasing electricity taxes and divesting their stake in some state run companies, so tried to make up for it by trying to comply with the forex reserve thing. So it is a short term thing. Will go away if/when IMF approves loans (I didnt keep track of it, maybe they already did?)

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 19 Jan 2015 21:18

Anujanji, yes, IMF has approved those loans. Don't think World Bank has released its loans yet, though that will follow no doubt.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 19 Jan 2015 21:32

ISIL/Daesh seems to have no interest right now in getting involved in Af-Pak -- their main goal seems to be to take down one of the larger oil-producing monarchies in the middle east. Any paki claims of IS/Daesh in Af-Pak needs to be taken with a bucket of salt unless there is other evidence to point to the transactional events that facilitate and motivate IS to be involved in Af-Pak.

Raja Ram · Post by **Raja Ram** » 19 Jan 2015 21:40

Gentle Rakshaks!

Please try and see beyond the obvious. The rentier state is now sliding at a faster pace than it has ever been. The room to maneuver is reducing. Just a few months back there was a lot of cockiness in the Uniform section as well the media there about regaining of strategic depth and how Pakistan can make a come back. That pretence is also gone.

The more important thing is that the capabilities of its benefactors to rescue and keep the artificial entity alive is also eroding. China is now faced with a slow down in its economy and is undergoing its generational transition in leadership. If you notice, the old Chinese leadership that ruled with an iron hand and was ready to take strategic adventures have yielded to more cautious and business oriented technocratic variety. This in itself would require a separate post in another thread.

The US recovery and its own internal transitions politically has left it stretched and weary of the cost involved in propping up Pakistan which is now going through the final stages of diminishing marginal utility for the US.Its leadership had been found wanting, unimaginative and completely stretched across several zones.

The Saudi regime is increasingly challenged within the Ummah as well as its ability to influence is getting curtailed as Wahabbisim is seen to be too threatening to the White Europeans and by corollary to the US. Internally, Saudi society is also being pulled in different directions and soon there will be a power struggle from within the House of Saud as the present ruler's health is still a cause of concern. With falling petrol prices, challenges within and the region, its ability to keep mollycoddling an increasingly useless vassal that is of no use to them even as a supplier of cannon fodder and mercenaries is severely compromised.

Therefore the rentier state, without its benefactors, with not a single faction of the ruling elite coming out on top, is accelerating towards its logical destiny primarily due to its internal contradictions as well as the cumulative impact of decades of xenophobic, kleptocratic, genocidal misrule.

Added to this is the introduction of the Doval Doctrine of Offensive Defence from India and the consolidation of the Indian economy that is getting primed for a period of sustained growth that will be shared with other regional countries. The cumulative impact of all this on Pakistan is significant. The petrol crisis is a manifestation of this larger picture. While some may think that Pakistan will wriggle out of this soon, and maybe that would indeed be the case, the slow strangulation of strategic breathing space is now reaching a critical point.

It is just a rambler's view. Take it for what it is worth.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 19 Jan 2015 21:53

The more important thing is that the capabilities of its benefactors to rescue and keep the artificial entity alive is also eroding. China is now faced with a slow down in its economy and is undergoing its generational transition in leadership. If you notice, the old Chinese leadership that ruled with an iron hand and was ready to take strategic adventures have yielded to more cautious and business oriented technocratic variety.

Rajaramji, where is the indication that there has been such a change in leadership? There has been absolutely no recent changes in the CCP/PLA leadership or their aggressive posturing in the pacific -- they are just making adjustments to cool down things tactically to their south in Myanmar/India's direction.

Pakistan has been in this abyssmal state for a long time -- I think the litmust test there is to see exactly how much more powerful the "bad taliban" have become over the years, as they are primarily the ones who have the will to break the paki army. The paki army is bankrupt and the country is facing economic uncertainty, but China will still be willing to assist them in disruptive capabilities, whether it is "nukular triad" or "more fissile material". Paki army/civilian govt. are losing control of more of their territories to anarchy, but that only means the average person on the ground will start doing "jugaad" to adjust, and loans will be provided to keep the paki govt. afloat, as is already obvious from the 250$ million provided for cash disbursements to "internally displaced persons".

I think there has to be a clear understanding of how the paki army is going to lose control of its cadre to some other power center before one can claim to see the contours of how this is going spin out of control. There is no doubt that the pakis will lose it some day with some ultra-green group taking control, but that is not about to happen at this time. But if you have the dots that connect towards this, please do share, rajaram saar.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Jan 2015 22:10

Raja Ram wrote:yet another indication the speed in which Pakistan is hurtling towards implosion

Wish I could share your inspiring optimism, but... Pakistan's Patrons will not let Pakistan collapse. There is a long way to go still, to reach the heights reached by, say, African dictatorships or Central American dictatorships. Look at Somalia, Ethiopia, and any of the other heavens out there, that Pakistan can aspire to reach. Whatever else we say, you have to give Pakis credit for resilience.

Only a concerted effort to break up the central Pakjabi stranglehold that they call a "guvrmint" can bring any hope to the region. Break it up into 5, ban weapons, and let them go about their long hallowed traditional business of thieving from one another.

If Pakistan implodes, think of it: 1 million trained, armed terrorists outsourcing to the ISIS and Al Qaeda and all the petty sheikhs. It should be fun-time in the Mid-East. And every single one will claim to be Indian. From Bangalore, Kerala.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 19 Jan 2015 23:53

http://tribune.com.pk/story/823680/the- ... ep-is-out/

If this is true, it will be interesting to see the un-uniformed slave jihadis of TSP taking on the uniformed mercenary jihadis of TSP.

If this happens then it will be fun to see what happens to the two idolatrous mosques of KSA. AoA onlee.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 20 Jan 2015 00:04

Fourfathers of pakis are formidable, EU being one. In EU, the German mark was trading between 3 to 1.66 times dollars till 1992 when Euro was coined. The Euro nations' combined economy is huge, and even now matching that of US approximately. There are a lot of backers for pakis in EU including UK, members of IMF (indirectly same fourfathers), etc. It is difficult to underestimate patrons of the terrorist munna who use different mechanisms to help the rabid dog and punish others otherwise.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 20 Jan 2015 00:20

Kashi wrote:Lots of khuji amongst the Pakis on the closure notice being served to PIA. Fuming and frothing over Modi, Hindu, RSS, small hearted etc etc. It may be noted that nothing rankles a Paki more than a major blow to their self-perceived H&D, and of course "blasphemy."

and jou did not post it here? blasphemy. three strikes with holy kendostix

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 Jan 2015 00:23

RCase wrote:http://tribune.com.pk/story/823680/the- ... ep-is-out/

If this is true, it will be interesting to see the un-uniformed slave jihadis of TSP taking on the uniformed mercenary jihadis of TSP.

If this happens then it will be fun to see what happens to the two idolatrous mosques of KSA. AoA onlee.

Maginot Line?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maginot_Line

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 20 Jan 2015 00:35

deejay wrote:
Dipanker wrote:Britain warns India of possible terror attack by ISIS

Arrested IS suspects in Bangladesh claim training in Pakistan
So they are training IS jehaardies in TSP now? or these guys got trained under a different banner and switched to IS later?

its all one big bunny family. everyone is humping each other and litter is called ISIS, AlQ, LeT etc depending on pater familias humper in chief, Pakistani Army. Shehzads book on PA also shows lots of PA personnel take vacations or early retirement from PA with PA approval to join LeT as trainers and then even proceed further when they find LeT stifling and controlled by PA.. Green more than Green more than Green. Pakistani Army is probably sh!tting bricks at the thought of having to face its own people as well. I mean in the Lal Masjid Ops, a room clearing op occupied by regular extremists not grade A Talibbunniee..they deployed 164 SSG, lost 10 SSG, including their CO and 41 soldiers were hurt. in the process killing everyone within complex including civilians who were then mathemagiced to meet PR for pak army. this is the real state of the ummahs best. they get their a$$es kicked when they go against their fellow greens.

going out of the punjab..things are so bad that in NWFP/FATA ops, more and more, the SSG is doing the fighting and coming back in coffins. hence the revenge attacks with arty and AF bombing indiscriminately targeting civilians. which the taliban is now responding to by attacking army personnel in civilian areas and their relations. all this in "far away FATA/NWFP".

so in punjab, if PA had to deploy, the PA would be smashed. its own troops are suspect. its own training modules/drills are being taught to LeT folks, daura e khaas etc are nothing but SSG drills modified as a crash course for the average LeT etc recruit. the PA will end up getting hammered and beaten back unless it employs heavy firepower (tanks, arty in its own urban areas).

hard times for them, if some punjabi LET or other leader decides islam> pak army.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 20 Jan 2015 00:54

the PA will end up getting hammered and beaten back unless it employs heavy firepower (tanks, arty in its own urban areas).

True, so true, tut-tut! Then again, they could use F-16s to bomb Pakjab like they bomb Swat and Baluchistan... wonder if they will sell tickets at the Wagah border to watch the debris clouds rising.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 20 Jan 2015 02:13

RAPEs beginning to see petrol shortage

Another trip at 3am, and still no petrol because the lines were just the same even at that ungodly hour. Sighing, I returned to my darkened house — load-shedding hour — having decided to ask my driver to stand in a mile-long line tomorrow, something I frown upon (remember drivers standing for hours in lines for CNG fill-ups?). Being a female, it’s a tad disconcerting to be parked on a road for an hour (maybe more) at night, so the uneasy decision had to be made. The bliss of living in Lahore, circa January 2015

And last week Allah ordered a petrol tanker & bus to crash. Some 67 , many of them women, died. Looks like houri shortage in heaven and ishspecial order .

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Jan 2015 02:30

A_Gupta wrote:
RCase wrote:http://tribune.com.pk/story/823680/the- ... ep-is-out/

If this is true, it will be interesting to see the un-uniformed slave jihadis of TSP taking on the uniformed mercenary jihadis of TSP.

If this happens then it will be fun to see what happens to the two idolatrous mosques of KSA. AoA onlee.
Maginot Line?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maginot_Line

In KSA its the Maggot line.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Jan 2015 02:30

Having run out of petrol, TSP needs to run out of gas.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 20 Jan 2015 02:36

This makes absolutely no sense.
1) RAPEs have no shortage of money to buy gasoline.
2) Gasoline prices are half what they were 2 months ago.
Why then is there a shortage? Can someone pls illuminate on this simple point? Delivery system constipated? Someone inflated too many tanker trucks to dance in the firework illumination? Refineries kaput? Tanker docks in Karachi kaput?
Can't be hoarding - there is a global oversupply! There is something that we are not seeing.

What does the govt being broke have to do with rich RAPEs having to make their drivers stand in line from 3AM?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 Jan 2015 02:57

UlanBatori,

1. Pakistan State Oil (PSO) is responsible for both fuel oil imports for power generation and petrol imports for automotive uses.

2. The power companies can't collect their dues from the electricity customers. Therefore they don't pay PSO.

3. PSO in turn can't pay the bankers the scheduled payments for the Letters of Credit, etc., needed to import fuel oil and petrol. The international bankers refuse to extend credit to PSO.

4. Therefore along with fuel oil for the power generators there is a shortage of petrol too, because PSO can't arrange for their import.

If getting Pakis to pay their electricity is impossible, then, since I think everyone pays for petrol as they get it, separating out the automotive fuel imports and power generation fuel imports into two companies may be the solution. The automotive fuel company won't have this non-payment problem.