Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec 2014

member_28803 · Post by **member_28803** » 25 Jan 2015 10:06

Gagan wrote:H&H H&H H&H echandee

If I had a dollar every time I head, we're an nookleaar power, I could have retired by now!

Shankk · Post by **Shankk** » 25 Jan 2015 10:13

Tuvaluan wrote:shankk wrote:
Unlike pakis, China has so much more to loose raising the antey. Anyways they cannot take on so many powers at the same time and they know it.
The chinese *are* taking on multiple powers at the same time, if we pay attention all their recent warmongering in the pacific and towards the east -- they seem to be very similar to the pakis, probably why they get along so well.

Tuvaluan, again with respect I disagree. Its more of a posturing than reality when it comes to Pakistan. I have a firm belief that a civilizational entity like China cannot be compared as equal equal to Pakistan. Yes they are preparing to fight against all enemies and that too simultaneously if necessary. Anybody will do that. We too did it like described in earlier post even when we were very weak. My point is China is NOT a stupid country. Yes, they are prone to make mistakes but repeating the same mistake? I could be proved wrong and will accept that if such a situation occurs but do not think China will shoot herself in foot doing that. This would be a dream come true for western powers. India and China climbing escalation ladder but both countries are sane enough to avoid that. JMHO.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 25 Jan 2015 10:19

Shankk wrote:

Its more of a posturing than reality when it comes to Pakistan. I have a firm belief that a civilizational entity like China cannot be compared as equal equal to Pakistan. Yes they are preparing to fight against all enemies and that too simultaneously if necessary. Anybody will do that.

You mean "the civilizational entity" that killed 50 million of its own and destroyed all of its historical artefacts and had to manufacture spurious ones to diplay to foreigners? (I know this from a chinese authority of chinese historical artefacts that the Chinese govt. manufactures most of the Tang era and XYZ era pottery etc. because they destroyed most of them in the great leap forward). China today is not the same "civilizational power" -- it is a communist regime that seems to follow its own drummer, and that drummer is not playing any "civilizational tunes". By all appearance, and a lot of lurking on chinese forums, the only lesson the chinese seem to have learnt is "if you have money and power, you throw it around and do whatever you want with it" which seems to precisely describe the cr@p they are doing these days, such as trying to usurp the territories of all of its neighbours all around by pretending that "ancient china" was in control of these territories or just laying claim because they know that smaller countries cannot defend themselves. If you are going to defend chinese behaviour in the recent past, you have to do a lot better than to point to their "civilizational ethos" to explain all their actions.

In any case, these "civilizational entities" handed over weapons of mass destruction to India's worst enemies, and that should be enough to cut through all the pro-china BS. Not too many ways you can spin that kind of malicious behavior without seeming to be playing for the wrong team.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 25 Jan 2015 10:39

Lot of rona dhona and collective Musharraf burning in pakistan on Obama visiting India, giving it absolute importance(in comparison to pakistan). It is hilarious to see paki anchors and the participants in the show desperately making equal-equal comparison statements and re-assuring each other on how important Pakistan is in the world and how US will not completely ignore it.

Salim Bukhari and Salman Ghani said that we do not have to worry of Obama visiting Pakistan as hamara sipaha-e-saalar china jaa raha hain

.(Gen Sharif going to china with vaseline jar)

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Jan 2015 10:58

So there is no bijli (Electricity) in Pakistan these days, and we learn this heart breaking news...
Their much hyped Gadani 6600 MW coal plant park (with as many as 10 coal fired power plants) that was supposed to have been built and pollute Balochistan, has died a quiet death.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Jan 2015 11:01

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Jan 2015 11:06

Paki Bhai Khush Ho Jayo.
Both Modi and Obama have decided to invite Mian Nawaz to Delhi after dinner tomorrow. Both have agreed to help Pakistan who is fighting war against itself .PM Modi and President Obama are going to announce Baksheeh Plan to rebuild FATA with grant of 72 Billion dollars cash over next 10year.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 25 Jan 2015 13:33

The Pakistanis are caught in a vicious cycle with multiple loops:

1. Water shortage --> poor crops, hydro electric power shortage etc.
2. Electricity shortage --> Cannot produce or deliver goods for export in timely manner
3. Cannot produce or deliver goods in timely manner --> Lose foreign business deals and customers, can't get enough foreign exchange
4. Can't get enough foreign exchange --> Can't pay for furnace oil
5. Can't pay for furnace oil --> Other oil and petrol products are blocked from import as well
6. Lack of petrol and oil --> Can't drive vehicles (loop back to step 3), can't produce electricity (loop back to step 2), can't pump water (loop back to step 1).

These multiple loop backs have an effect of amplifying each other and making the situation worse. For instance, in step 6, their food distribution will also be affected and probably ability to grow food (without electricity, pumping water to fields is going to get a lot harder). Showers and sanitation are going to take a back seat as well.

So, pretty soon, Pakistanis are literally going to be sitting in the dark, cold, starving and stinking to high heaven.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Jan 2015 13:40

ArmenT wrote:The Pakistanis are caught in a vicious cycle with multiple loops:

1. Water shortage --> poor crops, hydro electric power shortage etc.
2. Electricity shortage --> Cannot produce or deliver goods for export in timely manner
3. Cannot produce or deliver goods in timely manner --> Lose foreign business deals and customers, can't get enough foreign exchange
4. Can't get enough foreign exchange --> Can't pay for furnace oil
5. Can't pay for furnace oil --> Other oil and petrol products are blocked from import as well
6. Lack of petrol and oil --> Can't drive vehicles (loop back to step 3), can't produce electricity (loop back to step 2), can't pump water (loop back to step 1).

These multiple loop backs have an effect of amplifying each other and making the situation worse. For instance, in step 6, their food distribution will also be affected and probably ability to grow food (without electricity, pumping water to fields is going to get a lot harder). Showers and sanitation are going to take a back seat as well.

So, pretty soon, Pakistanis are literally going to be sitting in the dark, cold, starving and stinking to high heaven.

They are not multiple loops, sirji.

They are cascading loops. Much more dangerous.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 25 Jan 2015 14:52

ArmenT wrote:So, pretty soon, Pakistanis are literally going to be sitting in the dark, cold, starving and stinking to high heaven.

I suppose we'll truly find out if the 3.5 masters will ever allow Pakis to FAIL big time.

However, it'll no big surprise if some greenbucks are injected into Pukiland under the guise of CSF, soft-loans, Ummah fund etc.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 25 Jan 2015 15:51

Pak ambassador slunk off to Pakiland thru Wagah for the weekend. Did not want to be seen as a loser in the melee that is happening in Delhi.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Jan 2015 15:55

Paul wrote:Pak ambassador slunk off to Pakiland thru Wagah for the weekend. Did not want to be seen as a loser in the melee that is happening in Delhi.

The bugger was earlier at the jaipur lit festival by invitation of uncle dalrymple.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Jan 2015 17:47

ArmenT wrote:The Pakistanis are caught in a vicious cycle with multiple loops:

1. Water shortage --> poor crops, hydro electric power shortage etc.
2. Electricity shortage --> Cannot produce or deliver goods for export in timely manner
3. Cannot produce or deliver goods in timely manner --> Lose foreign business deals and customers, can't get enough foreign exchange
4. Can't get enough foreign exchange --> Can't pay for furnace oil
5. Can't pay for furnace oil --> Other oil and petrol products are blocked from import as well
6. Lack of petrol and oil --> Can't drive vehicles (loop back to step 3), can't produce electricity (loop back to step 2), can't pump water (loop back to step 1).

These multiple loop backs have an effect of amplifying each other and making the situation worse. For instance, in step 6, their food distribution will also be affected and probably ability to grow food (without electricity, pumping water to fields is going to get a lot harder). Showers and sanitation are going to take a back seat as well.

So, pretty soon, Pakistanis are literally going to be sitting in the dark, cold, starving and stinking to high heaven.

In the old days - the army would take over by now and claim that the suffering is because of India's aggression and that people need to make sacrifices. That option is unavailable now because the army is actually tied up in the west rather than pretending to be tied up in the east, but in reality free to run/loot the country.

As an aside, i wonder about army families and government types - I suspect they will be getting fuel from strategic reserves. It would be interesting to see satellite images pf Pakistan at night showing how wide the swathes of power cuts are.

archan · Post by **archan** » 25 Jan 2015 17:53

People reporting Urdu videos please feel free to skip them. This is pak for goat's sake.
We cautioned certain news agents from advertising their sites exclusively in vernacular but a user cannot be expected to translate a video they post. Dedicated paki watchers have no choice but to pick up some Urdu.

sadhana · Post by **sadhana** » 25 Jan 2015 19:59

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1 ... -to-the-US

Hafiz Saeed is a cuddly wuddly teddy bear, America is getting misled by India

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 25 Jan 2015 20:06

When lights are switched off in Pakistan and there no smell of burning oil, real Pakistaniyat comes out, too.

No wonder it is easy to blame India stealing electricity from water.

link

During the Power Outage;Electricity Wires & Sub Station Equipment in Some Areas Has Been Reported STOLEN

A pic from land of pure link

Pakistan ka matlab kyaa?

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 25 Jan 2015 21:52

Now that Om Baba is on India visit after Kerry, there's immense backside itching and dhoti shivering going on in Pakistan

Why Obama didn't come to Pak?
Why Kerry got impressed by Modi?
Why US does billions dollar worth trade with India and gives 25 crore alms to Pak?
How to tackle Ajit Doval?
Wagerah Wagerah ..

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 25 Jan 2015 22:19

Gagan wrote:
Jhujar wrote:Doval Sahib again

Wow Jujhar ji what a link!
There are two more small video clips of parts of that same speech which are equally as amazing !

I tried to see if there was a full video of this speech, he had promised to elaborate more about some things - can't find it yet.

I am reposting these, hope no one has missed hearing these. Our country is in good hands. Wish there were transcripts for non-hindi speakers. Ajit Doval is a smart patriot.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 25 Jan 2015 22:29

Shreeman:

Simple question -- who are the china-hands at BRF. Do we have a Doc, a Mangolian, a JrJr and a SS in that domain? I dont venture into china related threads.

I think, and I may be wrong here, Mr. SS has been tracking china as has Mr. Suraj following chinese news sources in the local language.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 25 Jan 2015 22:30

WTF is the Islamic society coming to? I see virgins & fertile women standing in queue for petrol without the menfolk protecting them.

Isn't it sweet. The ummah produces so much betrol yet , purer than pure, leader of the ummah, greenest of them all, the Pakis, have so very little of it.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 26 Jan 2015 00:13

A sad din. First White House tweets Jai HINDu!

Then we hear that the Begum Bo was given a BANARASI silk SARI !!!! How DARE they!!

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 26 Jan 2015 00:20

http://www.dawn.com/news/1159330/govt-l ... mtaz-qadri

Govt lawyers not ready to prosecute Mumtaz Qadri {Translation: Government lawyers dont want to be declared bull cuttle and Qadrified}

With the Islamabad High Court (IHC) ready to take up the Salmaan Taseer murder case on Jan 27, it seems that the federal government’s law officers are reluctant to appear in court against the convict, Mumtaz Qadri.

An IHC division bench consisting of Justice Noorul Haq N. Qureshi and Justice Shaukat Aziz Siddiqui will hear the case from Tuesday, but so far, none of the prosecutors assigned to the case have agreed to appear in court.

A senior law officer told Dawn that in addition to the sensitivity of the case, the law officers deputed in the IHC are not well-versed in criminal law, but rather have experience with general civil cases. {Pakistan lawyers are largely secular, with less than 10% of the lawyers garlanding Qadri after he had assassinated Taseer. Most lawyers practice the gentle civil version of the law and not the extremist criminal law which is foreign to the subcontinent.} This is also why many are trying to avoid becoming prosecutors in the Taseer murder case.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Jan 2015 00:28

Acche Din In India and Acchi Raate in Pakistan after Bijili Gye Makke. From duk to Dawn ,all Dreams of Poakonkys come true .
Still Paki complaining Bahut Andhera Hai Darr Lagta Hai . Bechare beating Themselves and Crying like fresh litter without Ammie.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 26 Jan 2015 00:29

No water.
No Petrol.
No electricity.
No trains.
No Youtube.
Goats, camels, donkeys for enjoyment.
Use of horses like ancestors from CAR.
Donkey powered vehicles.
Beheadings, rape, loot, plunder and pillage.
Unceasing jihad.
Impending ISIS/Daesh/Al Qaeda/Taliban shariah rule.

Truly Bakistan is getting to enjoy true Islam of the 7th century. This must be jannat. The murtads complaining about this idyllic Islamic paradise must be given the punishment for apostasy.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 26 Jan 2015 00:30

Wajahat S. Khan ‏@WajSKhan
Somebody needs to bring the Quaid back. Like, make a time machine or something

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 26 Jan 2015 00:34

Jhujar wrote:Acche Din In India and Acchi Raate in Pakistan after Bijili Gye Makke. From duk to Dawn ,all Dreams of Poakonkys come true .
Still Paki complaining Bahut Andhera Hai Darr Lagta Hai . Bechare beating Themselves and Crying like fresh litter without Ammie.

The Baki version of Pat-a-Cake!!!

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 26 Jan 2015 00:46

Pak rangers violate ceasefire, fire on BoP along IB in Jammu

JAMMU: Hours before US President Barack Obama's arrival in India, Pakistani Rangers resorted to small arms firing along the International Border in Jammu district, forcing the BSF to retaliate.

"Pakistani Rangers resorted to intermittent small arms firing on Jogwan border out post in R S Pura border belt along the IB in Jammu district during the intervening night of January 24 and 25", a Police officer told PTI.

They fired on the post around 1 AM, he said. BSF troops guarding the borderline retaliated resulting in intermittent brief exchanges which continued for a few minutes, he said, adding there was no loss of life or injury to anyone in the firing.

On January 22, Pak Rangers and BSF exchanged fire after BSF, suspecting movement of some persons, fired few rounds and the Pakistani side also fired few rounds after hearing sound in Regaal Border Out Post (BoP) area along the IB in Samba district.

On January 21, BSF foiled an infiltration bid in Arnia sub-sector.

Pakistani Rangers had on January 20 violated the ceasefire by resorting to firing by small arms on Border Out Posts (BoPs) along the International Border in Jammu district, prompting the BSF to retaliate.

On January 13 and 12, there was small arms firing by Pakistani Rangers in Samba sector.

Pakistan also resorted to firing of mortar shells and small arms along the IB in Hiranagar belt of Kathua district on January 11.
Cheers

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 26 Jan 2015 01:25

Pakistani Media Jealous Reporting On US President Obama Visit To India And Meetin Narendra Modi

Lots of heart burns across the border with the *pappi jhappi* and *chai pe charcha*

Karan Dixit · Post by **Karan Dixit** » 26 Jan 2015 01:28

The 2nd video of Ajeet Doval (posted by Guddu) is pretty good. It is a must watch.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 26 Jan 2015 02:13

India has the ability to contain the China: Pak diplomat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtIHkM0yw0M

Check the US delegation meeting the Pak Generals. Kerry and Mil officials meeting the real power brokers in Pak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLuCi_nhO_o

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 26 Jan 2015 02:23

Somebody needs to bring the Quaid back. Like, make a time machine or something

Slight time machine malfunction happened and that has taken pakistan all the way back to 786 CE instead of 1940 CE. They only have to wait 1200 years before the Quaid shows up and saves all of them. Pakis better get ham sandwiches ready for the quaid's second coming.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 26 Jan 2015 02:28

RCase wrote:
Jhujar wrote:Acche Din In India and Acchi Raate in Pakistan after Bijili Gye Makke. From duk to Dawn ,all Dreams of Poakonkys come true .
Still Paki complaining Bahut Andhera Hai Darr Lagta Hai . Bechare beating Themselves and Crying like fresh litter without Ammie.
The Baki version of Pat-a-Cake!!!

You laugh now, but with no electricity and nowhere to go without petrol and four wives each, pakistan will overtake china in population in 4 years. Then who will be laughing?

member_28803 · Post by **member_28803** » 26 Jan 2015 03:32

I forsee a spike in the peace-fools population in bakistan 9 months from now!

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 26 Jan 2015 05:28

A_Gupta wrote:^^^^ "“I don’t think everyone in Pakistan is a terrorist. Voices against terrorism do rise from time to time in that country too. But the intentions of successive governments in Pakistan regarding terrorism have never been clear,” Singh said. - See more at: http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... SjCFN.dpuf"

It Is called "damning with faint praise "

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Jan 2015 05:37

Sirr Jo terra Chakrai, yaan Ganj Hui Jayye, Ajja Pyare Sirr Khaaj bechare, Indian subcontinent Tumeh Sikhlaye
Obama's visit to South Asia will help reduce tension in region: Sartaj Aziz

Osamabad- Advisor on National Security and Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz has expressed the hope that US President Barack Obama's visit to South Asia, will help reduce tension in the region.
Talking to journalists in Islamabad today, he said the cherished goal of progress and prosperity in the region cannot be achieved without improving relations, between Pakistan and India.
Sartaj Aziz said peace in the region is in the interests of everyone. He said US Secretary of State John Kerry was apprised of Pakistan's reservations on various issues, during his recent visit to Osama.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Jan 2015 05:48

China declares Pakistan solid sleeping partner

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/national/2 ... ic-partner

BEIJING/RAW AL PINDI: The most trusted, strongest and reliable ally of Islamabad, China on Sunday termed Pakistan a solid strategic partner.The reaffirmation of the decades-long and all-weather partnership came amid Chief of Army Staff (COAS) Gen Raheel Sharif’s official visit to China, during which he called on China’s Vice Chairman Central Military Commission, Gen Fan Changlong in Beijing. During the unprecedented meeting held in a warmth and cordial atmosphere on Sunday morning, Gen Fan termed Pakistan-China as solid strategic partners, most important neighbours and iron brothers, ISPR Director General Gen Asim Saleem Bajwa tweeted on social media.Showing solidarity with people of Pakistan, armed forces versus any challenge, Gen Fan praised the success of Zarb-e-Azb military operation against terrorists and termed it bold, hard blow for terrorists, without any discrimination. Gen Fan praised national consensus to combat terrorism, Pakistan’s resolve, efforts and sacrifices in fighting the menace of terrorism. He also assured China’s full support to Pakistan in its fight against terrorism. The COAS said that with nation’s support, Pakistan armed forces are fully determined and will go to any extent to eliminate terrorism from our soil.
General Raheel held a meeting with his Chinese counterpart, Gen Qi Jianguo and discussed full range of regional security and defence related issues. According to ISPR, the matters pertaining to bilateral cooperation including enhanced long-term defence collaboration, security and counter terrorism cooperation, intelligence sharing and training exchanges were discussed in the meeting. Earlier at his arrival, General Raheel Sharif was presented Guard of Honour at the People’s Liberation Army Headquarters. He reviewed guard of honor along with his Chinese counterpart.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 26 Jan 2015 05:59

@Guddu ^^^ re Doval. Can you make a go of an English translation? I'd love to hear the nuance.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Jan 2015 06:29

This Ahmadi claims China showed POTUS arrival in Delhi alive on all TV channels.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 26 Jan 2015 06:33

Tuvaluan wrote: Pakis better get ham sandwiches ready for the quaid's second coming.

They better not forget a few cases of good - err I mean strong - scotch too. While they are at it they might as well get a few cartons of Gold Flakes from their forefather.

Shankk · Post by **Shankk** » 26 Jan 2015 06:41

Shreeman wrote:Shankk,

The china analysis is weak. This narrative is not seen outside India. The same holds true for future china developments. But I am no expert there either.

Yes Shreeman, agree that it is weak; it was more of a historic perspective. Actually I also backtrack on my last post. To start with...I was wrong in putting emphasis on civilization aspect and Tuvaluan is right in his argument. Don't want to go into time wasting abstract concepts of what is civilization. To put in simple terms it is nothing more than people living on a given chunk of land, their culture, practices, lifestyle, their products etc. in short a cumulative history of all of this combined. This history also includes the mistakes they made including monumental blunders some of them result in the demise of the very same civilization. Now just because a civilization exists for a long time is no guarantee that it will not make blunders again. Our civilization made mistakes too and will make in future as well. Policy makers cannot rely on such ideas.

So there is no guarantee that China will not proliferate again to Pakistan either to prop them up or due to paki pressure. We have to take steps to counter that. What I had in mind while writing earlier post was more of a deterrence due to current strength of India and overall geopolitical situation. It came out incorrectly as a virtue on China's part. Whether this deterrence will work or not is hard to tell. However China has so much more to loose this time with their mistakes than last time around.

That's where current government's maneuvers are coming into picture including aligning with enemies of China. Recent utterances by AD are basically formulating "How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb". Ideally speaking talking about nook war, planning it and making preparations for it is really idiotic but we are not living in a ideal world so we should strive to be the biggest idiot in town.