Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2015

partha · Post by **partha** » 05 Feb 2015 13:46

Pakistani-China economic corridor: most likely to end up like Iran-Pakistan pipeline or Gadani project but Pakis are fighting over change of corridor routes!

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 05 Feb 2015 13:48

^^^ How isit smart of the chinese to visit when its likely to bring out every weirdo out of his shi¥hole just to pi$$ on the event. And if another karachi airport happens he probably has to get out via wagha.

Would that strengthen the all weather fliendship?

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 05 Feb 2015 14:57

I think most of the Baki commentators who come on TV ~~all~~ most are connected to the establishment. They are used by the establishment to spin tales / reassure / pacify the aam abduls that all izz well. Many of the techniques used is well documented in the previous posts by learned maulaners. Even aware abduls choose to delude themselves than face reality. Loss of face wrt an *inferior* civilization that they all love to hate is just too difficult a pill for most to swallow.

When CT, etc is unable to bridge the gap between the reality and the image, H&D is invoked. SS saar has put it very well.

Meanwhile, the establishment people continue the loot of the country and planning for the day when the aam abduls are no longer willing to buy the line / cling to hope & faith. Most establishment folks have loot squirreled away outside Bakistan and dual citizenship, mostly of londonisthan.

shiv wrote:Is there a possibility that the 190 million illiterate "masses" of Pakistan will lynch these people if they start telling the truth about Pakistan? Is this simply a way of postponing the revelation of facts? Or are they simply trying to make themselves feel better by lying to themselves? One possibility is that the TV stations are fully under army control - i.e they will not chirp one word that says Pakistan is weak in any sense compared with India - because the army will be the first entity that will have to answer questions if the beepuls of Bakistan start hearing that they are not as powerful as they claim. What gives?

I agree with the highlighted parts. The day the talking heads / leaders admit the truth the last refuge of the faithfools will be taken away from them.

There is another pisko aspect that comes into play. Once someone buy into a belief and after sometime even if they realize the hollowness they are unable to let go because you are too invested/involved emotionally. They are unwilling to cynically exploit the situation and turn to hope/faith. He is willing to grab at the faintest hope to help restore his battered self-image. He is neither a believer nor a realist BUT he in also not a cynical pretender in the sense LokeshC saar describes in his excellent analysis.

The TV studio analyst are either believers or pretenders BUT their main job is to pacify/give hope/hand a soothing line to those who fall in neither category and might be tempted to take matters into their own hands.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 05 Feb 2015 16:47

^^^ the fallacy of trying not to lose sunken costs probably comes into play.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Feb 2015 17:49

pankajs wrote: The TV studio analyst are either believers or pretenders BUT their main job is to pacify/give hope/hand a soothing line to those who fall in neither category and might be tempted to take matters into their own hands.

The quality of people who come on air is so low that its laughable. We can produce - straight off BRF at least 20 people who can speak facts with more authority than that Surpanakhi who said "Common Error Probability" for CEP and "Intermediate Continental Missile" for ICBM.This "strategeric eggspert" is not even good looking which would keep people's attention on her face for a few seconds more. She is ugly and dumb and looks like the owner of a failed whorehouse - which is what Pakistan is.

It seems to me that these programs are not aimed at anyone outside Pakistan who would die laughing - but an internal audience of mental masturbators.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 05 Feb 2015 19:25

No doubt ... but it works for someone who is desperate for a *reason* to cling on to his cherished dream/hope/belief. These sessions are aimed at fulfilling such needs. Absolutely they are aimed at an internal audience.

Jahil HamIED is popular because he gives voice to their cherished hope/dream/desire of gazwa-e-pind. He tells them that it is indeed possible! I am sure if he tells them the truth he will become unpopular very fast and the aam abdul will move to the next piedpiper.

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 05 Feb 2015 20:04

Mods, can we have a separate thread for the videos being posted by Gagan?
Some of them are sheer gems!

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 05 Feb 2015 20:09

http://tribune.com.pk/story/833118/tase ... rs-heroes/

Taseer murder case: Qadri’s lawyer calls Charlie Hebdo attackers ‘heroes’

A former top judge and attorney for the self-confessed killer of former Punjab governor Salmaan Taseer has called the gunmen who attacked French satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo last month ‘heroes’.
Khawaja Muhammad Sharif, a former chief justice of the Lahore High Court, was arguing before a two-judge bench of the Islamabad High Court (IHC) in favour of his client, Mumtaz Qadri, on Wednesday. He said Taseer had hurt the feelings of Muslims by calling the blasphemy law a ‘black law’.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 05 Feb 2015 20:47

Kashi wrote:
Anujan wrote:Some one should ask the idiot, if India can lob a statellite to moon and mars, cant they lob a nuke to al-bakistan? The entire program is filled with CTs and insinuations of RAW/CIA/Mossad smuggling in technology to somehow make missiles.
Anujan saar, that's exactly what they want to convey. They keep whining and moaning that not only the Indian missile programme but our space programme as well is based on "borrowed" "screw driver" technology.

Paki and Sino-Paki conspiracy theories they keep ranting about this on a few predictable lines

1. Scout gave way to all the ISRO SLVs and also Agni, Prithvi etc.
2. Chadrayaan was a Russian product which is why it failed on moon.
3. Mangalyaan was Russo-American product so succeeded in first try/it was plug and play kit.
4. SUARCO is older and was more advanced than ISRO and thus, was sabotaged by CIA/MOSSAD/RAW.

These videos merely reflect this deep seated thinking. Plus all that talk of "Maarvs", "seekers", "guidance and navigational systems" etc in choicest Pinglish is a message for their aam abduls- bhaijaan we were far ahead of the eevil yeendus, but these kuffars and zionists gave them all the technology and now they are pulling ahead. Alhamdulillha, we have faith and piety on your side and our mijjiles will strike fear into the heart of the eevil kuffar.

The history of pakis begins at Takshasheela when libraries were burnt by invaders.

This suddenly makes a drunkard wasted barbarian into a 'relatively more intelligent' follower of holy book - since the rest have nothing left - which is why it is essential and the only way to pretend himself, or rather roll over dead bodies of natives as a claim, as civilized.

Even to this date, most of bakis keep on repeating the same holy text while living on doles from fourfathers.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 05 Feb 2015 21:13

pankajs wrote: Once someone buy into a belief and after sometime even if they realize the hollowness they are unable to let go because you are too invested/involved emotionally. They are unwilling to cynically exploit the situation and turn to hope/faith. He is willing to grab at the faintest hope to help restore his battered self-image. He is neither a believer nor a realist BUT he in also not a cynical pretender .....

Saar, The above phenomenon is called cognitive dissonance. One response to cognitive dissonance is denial in the form of CTs and we see that in abundance in all the videos above.

Cognitive dissonance occurs to believers. Pretenders do not get cognitive dissonance, instead they exploit the cognitive dissonance in others to make them do stupid stuff.

I am repeating many things SSridhar garu and Shiv garu have mentioned above (infact most of my knowledge of Bakistan comes from these two and a couple of others on this dhaaga). Bakistan's unwashed and a large part of the RAPEs have been fed on wild eyed theories from the early days of Bakistan. They are the true believers in bakistan and in Islam. The unwashed will soosai themselves if those beliefs get challenged. The RAPEs who are at the top level (40 odd families) are basically looting Bakistan through Islam (I am starting to realize that Islam is also an economic weapon), and using the fear of Islam to keep the rest of the world paying jizya to the RAPES. This is the bullet to the head.

In effect they use India to scare the unwashed into accepting more Islam as the silver bullet to cure all the ills of Sooth A##sia and establish a peaceful caliphate. Then the use the Islamized unwashed to scare the rest of the world into keeping the fragile situation alive.

By talking to Bakistan, our WKK idiots are giving bakis a chance to scare the world (nukular flash point etc) and also give them an opportunity to tel the unwashed on how more Islam is making India talk (Zaid HamIED is a prime example).

It is a house of cards that will inevitably blow up sooner or later. The "believers" will just keep propagating lies and CTs due to Cognitive dissonance, while those who stop believing and start seeing will end up having to chose between pretending to believe and make the best of it, OR to tell the truth and wait for getting Qadrified. The other option they can take is to tuck their tails and come to India and that will happen in a large scale sooner or later. For if the unwashed start to "see" that their life is a lie, or that Islam is "not" the solution they will have the RAPES for dinner. It is therefore in our interest to keep them deluded for as long as possible while building a long term strategy to counter the inevitable inflow of Bakistanis.

There is an equal equal in India for this thing and its the Nehruvian ideology propagated by the CON party. For long our people were believers in a few untold facts : Indians are inferior. Poverty cannot be removed in India. Yindoos are yeevil. Sikularism etc etc. To this day many Indians (especially the DIE kinds) still believe in this bullshit, and there are pretenders in their camps. Fortunately for India, the grassroot society actually was not wiped out and it seems to be re-emerging these days. Fortunately for us, that has no chance of happening in bakistan.

Bakistan is on a one way ticket to pure hell.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Feb 2015 21:17

vishvak wrote:
The history of pakis begins at Takshasheela when libraries were burnt by invaders.

This suddenly makes a drunkard wasted barbarian into a 'relatively more intelligent' follower of holy book - since the rest have nothing left - which is why it is essential and the only way to pretend himself, or rather roll over dead bodies of natives as a claim, as civilized.

Even to this date, most of bakis keep on repeating the same holy text while living on doles from fourfathers.

While 99.99% of Pakis are illiterate I make this post for the 0.01% literate Pakis. It is about DNA

Mitochondrial DNA is always from the mother. Check your mitochondrial DNA (mDNA) and you will find that it corresponds to Hindu mDNA in India rather than women in Arabia or Persia. This is because Hindu women were raped and you Pakis are descendants of those raped Hindu women. That Mitochondrial DNA will never never go away. And it will never lie. You might lie - but not your genes.

Just a little data point - now back to regular programming about the superiority of suparco.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 05 Feb 2015 22:08

deejay wrote: No her theory is @!%& %%^^^ ....

My theory is - behind this successful brown hair surpnakha is a very successful TSP jernail.

Now that is one big compulsion. But as they say - necessity is the mother of invention.

deejay, don't get all worked up. was just being facetious there when I pointed out to Maria Sultan's moronic cr@p as being super kwaltee anal-e-sys...

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 05 Feb 2015 22:28

To add about the talk-show BS'ers in Shitistan:

-Pakistan must be having the largest number of Strategic/Military/Geo Political analyst in the world.(Per Capita and in absolute numbers)
-Every one who is participating (including everybody's second cousin) is a "Taziakaar" or an Expert.
-He is introduced as : Mr XYZ - Yeh kisi taaruf ke mohtaaz nahi hai. Kitthe par aur iske pusmanzar par hone wali harkaton par yeh "ghehri nazar" rakhte hai.
-It is only when these participants open their mouth you realize that these analyst are all natural born 'anal'yst.
-The more educated/sophisticated/uber the host is the more blatant he/she is in propagating lies or putting a spin on everything to make the awaaam see that "all iz well"

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 05 Feb 2015 22:48

Having the hobby of watching rain wet Poaqbirds fluttering 24/7 , they have indeed come down quite a bit in last 2-3 years. More than military power, its the economic, diplomatic power which does good Psy op on Amrood Abdul . Only PA knows the exact import of India's military strength but Indian $$$bazi make Poaqonkeys go bonker when Indians ignore them. They can't bear the scorn and contempt and these 2 handles are like 2 ears on Poaqonkey which used wisely can make Pakiloopsical life go from hell to hell for eternity.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Feb 2015 23:19

Gagan, Please use this thread which has been in there for some time.

Thanks,

ramana

TSP -Multimedia Links

kancha, You can help by x-posting the videos you found useful.

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 05 Feb 2015 23:33

ramana wrote:Gagan, Please use this thread which has been in there for some time.

Thanks,

ramana

TSP -Multimedia Links

kancha, You can help by x-posting the videos you found useful.

Will do so this weekend

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Feb 2015 23:35

Perfect...

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 05 Feb 2015 23:38

BTW, If you notice all anchors and panelists refer to Ombaba as Barak *Hussain* Obama.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 05 Feb 2015 23:39

Vasleen Induced Laxative Immunity;Pakistan Will remain Constipated
Pakistan to continue supporting Kashmiris' freedom struggle: Nawaz

MUSHARRAFABAD: Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on Thursday vowed that Pakistan would continue its political and diplomatic support for the people of Kashmir in their struggle for freedom and right to self-determination.Nawaz was addressing the Azad Jammu and Kashmir Legislative Assembly on the occasion of Kashmir Day.The premier said only a fair resolution of the dispute would ensure lasting peace in the region and urged the international community to play its part in this regard.I have an association with Azad and occupied Kashmir since childhood and I believe every Pakistani has the same sort of association with it...we will continue our efforts in resolving the issue," Nawaz said."Today I am here to show solidarity with Kashmiris. Kashmir and Pakistan are one entity; no power in the world can separate the two," the premier added.Nawaz said that Pakistanis and Kashmiris belong to the same civilisation and share the similar culture and traditions."Pakistan praises the sacrifices rendered by Kashmiris in their struggle against the occupied forces," the prime minister said.On the occasion, Nawaz also said that Pakistan reiterate its will to stand with the people of Kashmir to achieve their right to self-determination.The premier said that Pakistan would not accept any resolution of the dispute contrary to the aspirations of Kashmiris.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 06 Feb 2015 00:20

and here is the prophet Zaid Hamid describing that ISIS is actually Mossad creating a bigger Israel

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Feb 2015 00:22

shiv wrote:I think both LokeshC's and Arun Gupta's explanations meet over a certain area and that probably is the explanation. I have no business to doubt it because we have our own delusionists - MMS, Mani Shankar Aiyer - and a thousand others. There is an article by a JNU type in today's Hindu - I think it is by one Shri Happymon Jacob. I am guilty of reading one sentence before ignoring the article. I will read it and make amends here if need be but let me post my comments based on the one sentence I read.

The sentence goes something like this "India should now sto replying to Pakistans bullets with mortar fire and get down to the business of seriously delineating the border (or LOC or something)"

The sentence sums up intense stupidity and profound ignorance of Pakistan and India's experience with Pakistan. How such assholes get into JNU and get published in stupid media portals like the Hindu amazes me. There is an old medical truism that serves as a warning to doctors seeing a patient for the first time. It says that if there is something that can be cured easily it will - so a person who has had something for a long time and has a huge case file from seeing many doctors - he probably has something that cannot be cured easily and you probably will not cure it either.

The reason why progress cannot be achieved with Pakistan is that Pakistan is not a rational state. If the counter argument is that India is not rational either, the reason for not reaching any solution is doubly clear - both are irrational states - so why waste time giving anyone lectures about what to do?

'Mortar shell for a bullet' is 'eent ka jawab patthar' (A stone for a brick) in Hindi.

Desi idiom aces Axelrod's random tit for tat strategy.

venkat_r · Post by **venkat_r** » 06 Feb 2015 00:23

Lokesh sir, you said it "Cognitive Dissonance" that is exactly what this is - and it probably surprised many on the forum also at the magnitude it is happening in Pak channels. There have been some very insightful posts and I wish there is a seperate thread to save good posts from this thread for everyone to read.

For many of us, Obama's trip to India would not seem like a big deal, or if this happened in the reverse and if Obama visited Pakistan, the reactions would never be of this magnitude.

For few people like Nawaz, who were reminded of their(Pak's) place in Washington at the end of Kargil War, Mushraff by Bush, Imran Khan having the light bulb moment when he is on a visit to Delhi few years ago, there is a continuous education of the Pakistani elite who understand what their position is with respect to India.

But Pakistani people on the whole have been educated and have been taught and fed with the dose that they are equal and better than India and they stand for everything better in life, like Islam, better moral values by supporting kashmir against an Indian Occupying Army and they have been the masters of India since time immemorial. To understand a psyche of a pakistani esp a RAPE who can glibly pass out some words and data and spin few details in an accent, thinks that he is far ahead of the Indians, you have to understand how a cult behaves and performs.

For a RAPE growing up in Pakistan, who has been fed with dollops of Pakistan is better than India in every respect and making this RAPE thank god everyday for creation and existence of Pakistan, knows nothing better in life. In general, they also grew up seeing anyone opposing this view, that is anyone challenging this view within their society and trying to even present with some data to propose that Pakistan might not be equal or better than India, being trashed or being humiliated openly and publicly or being called Indian or American agents etc. So any RAPE who makes it to the top, not only believes in that ideology, but also makes it to the media, only by furthering that ideology. They have always read or accessed information or have been fed information that confirms their beliefs with any other information discarded as propaganda or being labeled as Indian or western agent. or Very few people like Najam Sethi types who carefully tread on one or two points and get back in line with the official point of view are a rare exception - Guess they have to sell information for a living and also live in that society. Over time everyone believes in their own stories. You could see the arrogance of many an anchor while interviewing Indian Guests or asking outlandish questions when present in Indian gatherings.

Seems like Obama's visit to India has brought home in a peculiar way to many of these people a fact, they cannot deny or spin in any other way. Pakistan is not on par with India - It cannot compare itself with India in many levels and is being compared with Afghanistan. Pakistan is relegated to the dustbin/begging bowl etc. Oh where is Kashmir in all this? and gas shortage, no electricity, etc. etc.. hitting them, suddenly they do not seem to be at the center of the universe anymore. This is where the Cognitive Dissonance occurred en-mass in Pakistani media atleast. It is interesting to see the reactions of many TV anchors and their program guests. You can almost see these facts and the truth entering their minds and churning them and made it fun watching their reactions.

There are generally three types of reactions that are expected from such situations.
1. Continue to delude: This happens to a small percentage of people, who would deny any such thing is happening or can tell you with certainty that someone they know told them that this is not going to happen or is a conspiracy theory.
2. Alternative Theory: Jump to an alternative theories to keep the belief intact. They cannot deny the truth, but want to clutch on to an alternative explanation or an alternative belief which can give them balance. But the damage has been done - Most of the people on videos being posted belong to this category. They would clutch on to any straw information that is available like Army Chief visiting China or assuming Russia is going to give them free arms or they becoming gateway for China and Russia to the Islamic world or the warm waters of Arabian sea etc. etc. They can bring in any tangential view point or facts to support their overall belief, but have already stepped on the slippery slope and barring one or two hiccups over time they will feel betrayed and crushed by the system and be angry. It is anybody's guess on where they might direct their anger towards in the future (maybe some internal scapegoats)
3. Slide under the fence: These will be the interesting people who could sense and maybe even had a fascination to the truth(India), but could not acknowledge. This wold be a very small group who acknowledge that Indian society is better than theirs (based on their own perception) and would want to emulate them. All the people who wanted to follow India/Bollywood/civilian & academic institutions/cricket bodies/ will look for opportunities to do so. . Mostly would be low level & young people who would find it easy to change course covertly and over time come out of the closet.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 06 Feb 2015 00:42

SBajwa wrote:and here is the prophet Zaid Hamid describing that ISIS is actually Mossad creating a bigger Israel

SBajwa Ji :

At 00m : 24s the Area of Pakistan is divided into Four or Five Parts and named. Can you decipher these names?

TIA
Cheers

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 06 Feb 2015 00:56

I see three parts., Sindh and Punjab are together as one. Baluchistan is a smaller area (than current) while Khyber Paktunwa is the largest.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 06 Feb 2015 00:59

SBajwa wrote:I see three parts., Sindh and Punjab are together as one. Baluchistan is a smaller area (than current) while Khyber Paktunwa is the largest.

S. Bajwa Ji :

Many thanks

Cheers

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 06 Feb 2015 01:01

"Kashmir and Pakistan are one entity; no power in the world can separate the two" -- agreed, that which have never been joined can never be separated either.

I would have said "blasphemy, blasphemy, Allah can do anything", but then I remembered that Allah is no longer of this world.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 06 Feb 2015 01:03

Lyari child gang. Bet they will never be given a F in their school.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 06 Feb 2015 02:42

Hamid mir thought that he'll ask the Indian panel what they thought of General Raheel Sharif's china visit, specially that it coincided with BHO's India visit?
Indian Panelist answer: We're not really bothered / worried about that visit, didn't notice it much ...

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 06 Feb 2015 02:47

Pakistani panelist admits

that they just don't have the money to do any nuclear deal with massa or otherwise.
Also some discussion about their policy conflict 5 yrs ago, about supporting / opposing the Indo-US Nuclear deal.

Some spinmaster from India / USA spun it thus to the Pakistanis back then, that their support for the Indo-US nuclear deal back then will eventually open the doors for a similar deal for them. So Pakistan dropped its vitriolic opposition to the deal, and abstained.
But they errr, never got a similar deal... for various reasons

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 06 Feb 2015 03:29

The dream that was Pakistan: http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 9#p1791999 versus the reality is too much for Pakistanis to face.

Even their atom bomb has not made the Muslim world line up behind them; and far from being the new Medina, they are instead a huge slum. Their power, which was going to win the world for Islam, is such that world leaders sometimes forget to mention them.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 06 Feb 2015 03:58

Pakistani TV crew interviewing Mango Pakis and asking them why they celebrate 5 Feb as Kashmir day.

Err, noone seems to know why...

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Feb 2015 07:12

Post-Peshawar is a different ballgame in Pak: Durrani - Suhasini Haider, The Hindu

Former Pakistan NSA General Mahmud Durrani also called “General Shanti” for his role in backchannel talks denies that his meeting with NSA Ajit Doval were in any official capacity, but he is hopeful talks can be restarted now. He spoke to Diplomatic Editor Suhasini Haidar.

Q: You have been in Delhi, meeting several officials, amidst speculation that India-Pakistan talks could be given another push in the near future. How hopeful are you that they may be restarted?

Quite honestly , when I left Pakistan, I was quite unhappy, because everyone here blamed the Pakistan for the border incidents, and Pakistan denies it. You know, the truth is always lost in these border skirmishes, so I was not very hopeful, but I still wanted to come here and speak to people here, and get a real feel. But after visiting Delhi, meeting officials, mostly non-officials, I am a little more optimistic, that this is a moment India and Pakistan need to cash on. We can restart some kind of dialogue.

Q:Specifically, what was your impression when you met NSA Ajit Doval?

I am not even saying I met him. I am not saying I did or not. I’m making no comment.

Q:You said you were less hopeful of a dialogue with India when you were in Pakistan. Why is that?

The reality is that the perceptions about Modi in Pakistan were very negative, he is seen as anti-Muslim and anti-Pakistan. After meeting people here, I think this is not correct. The impression I get is that he would like to move forward. What I see is that he is a man of action. He wants to do things, but in his own way. So another thing I learnt is we shouldn’t try and pick up things from our old talks, and try and push that through, because that might not work.

Q:So not the composite dialogue?

Yes something like composite dialogue, and strategic balance are just buzzwords we have created over the years, that may not work. Modi is a different man with a different mind, and a different thinking from the previous Prime Minister. I think he will probably engage with Pakistan. And the impression I get is he would like to do that, but in his own way.

Q:Apart from the firing at the border, the one thing that has held back talks with Pakistan is the public way the Mumbai mastermind Hafiz Saeed operates, addressing rallies etc. Can there ever be a change in Pakistan’s policy on him?

First thing I am 110% sure that the government of Pakistan and the establishment is not supporting him any which way. He is doing it on his own. Technically from what I am told, we don’t have a case against him, that he is a terrorist. He heads Jamaat ud Dawa that is a welfare organisation. But what I gather is that the government is trying hard to muzzle him.

Q:In what way? Because we see him coming out and holding rallies, there don’t seem to be any restrictions on him. When you say there is no case against him, surely the fact that besides India, he and the JuD are designated terrorist entities by both the US and the UN as well, should count for something? Shouldn’t it mean something for the Pakistan government, especially post-Peshawar?

Yes, and Post-Peshawar is a different ballgame in Pakistan, and I think you will see a difference. Because it isn’t like you can turn on an electric switch and you will see a change in a few hours. But I am convinced that you will see a difference.

Q:How does the Pakistani army feel about the possibility of talks? Because in India it is believed that it is the military that derails talks.

I am convinced that the Pakistan military would support talks with India. They feel that talks must be fair, they must be dignified. I mean don’t rub our noses in the ground and expect us to cooperate. It won’t work. But other than that, I think the Pakistani army is supportive of talks, they want the political leadership to lead those talks and they will in their own way contribute to them.

Q:And would Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif today have the political clout to pick up the threads of dialogue today, and to carry it forward?

I think that he has a desire. Benazir had a desire. Zardari had a desire. The political leadership in Pakistan has wanted better relations with India. I think he can deliver but particularly when the military establishment is supporting him.

Q:How do the Army and Pakistan see the closeness between India and the US that has emerged especially after President Obama’s visit?

Well I think mostly in Pakistan they worry about the nuclear deal, that somehow it will free up nuclear material for the production of weapons. So they see that as an indirect threat. But I think improved relations between India and the US were expected, on the cards. In the current geostrategic environment, to me they look like natural partners. We have a relationship with the US that goes on its own trajectory and its own velocity. Similiarly, the US-India relationship is going along with its own trajectory.

So, are 'talks' in the offing yet again?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 Feb 2015 07:46

SSridhar wrote:Post-Peshawar is a different ballgame in Pak: Durrani - Suhasini Haider, The Hindu
I am convinced that the Pakistan military would support talks with India. They feel that talks must be fair, they must be dignified. I mean don’t rub our noses in the ground and expect us to cooperate. It won’t work. But other than that, I think the Pakistani army is supportive of talks, they want the political leadership to lead those talks and they will in their own way contribute to them.[/b]
So, are 'talks' in the offing yet again?

My understanding is that new PDP BJP sarkar in J &K will call for Pakistan to vacate POK so J & K can be united. Shoe is gonna be on Poakfoot soon. Paki will get Dial-a -Logg for their last rites.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 06 Feb 2015 08:41

Q:Specifically, what was your impression when you met NSA Ajit Doval?

I am not even saying I met him. I am not saying I did or not. I’m making no comment.

This jernail seems to be flying a kite with the help of some peace-love-friendship Indians (Suhasini Haider is a director general of that group) -- he is doing some ambiguous talking with the hopes getting the BJP govt. to soften its stance, and hopefully this regime knows better than to fall for this bait and switch cr@p from the pakis. If this paki jernail had contacts with NSA or PM or anyone at the PMO level as he claims, then I would like to claim I broke up with Deepika Padukone because she was just not my type.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 06 Feb 2015 08:48

Lo ji lo! Shahid Masood is somehow, desperately clutching at straws, trying to salvage some H&D for his beloved homeland.
How?
By being more faithfool to his cheena masters than the cheenas themselves.

Increasingly Shahid Masood is displaying the same signs of the megalomania and the mental condition that Hazrat Zaid Hamied (PBUH) displayed. Being the favourite petting doggie of ISPR must be giving a lot of dividents no?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 06 Feb 2015 09:26

partha wrote:From Chinese foreign ministry website -
http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/xwfw_66 ... 4412.shtml
Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Hong Lei's Regular Press Conference on February 4, 2015

2015/02/04

Q: According to Pakistani media reports, Pakistan has invited President Xi Jinping to the Pakistan Day parade. Can you confirm this?

A: I have no information on that. China and Pakistan are all-weather strategic partners of cooperation, and the two sides maintain frequent high-level exchanges which serve as inexhaustible driving force for China-Pakistan relations. We are willing to keep this momentum with the Pakistan side.

Here is how Dawn spins it:
http://www.dawn.com/news/1161754/positi ... istan-trip

In a first indication that China was positive about invitation for President Xi Jinping to attend the Pakistan Day parade, the Chinese foreign ministry expressed its “willingness” for continuing the momentum in ties.

“We are willing to keep this momentum with the Pakistan side,” Chinese foreign ministry’s spokesperson Hong Lei said at the daily media briefing in Beijing while responding to a question about the invitation for President Xi.

Underscoring the importance of high-level visits between the two countries, Mr Lei said: “China and Pakistan are all-weather strategic partners of cooperation, and the two sides maintain frequent high-level exchanges which serve as inexhaustible driving force for China-Pakistan relations.”

President Xi was to visit Pakistan in August last year, but postponed the trip because of anti-government protests by the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf and Pakistan Awami Tehreek in Islamabad.

The government now wants the Chinese president to be the chief guest at the March 23 Pakistan Day parade which is being held after a break of seven years.

A senior Pakistani official told Dawn that the two sides were working on the dates for President Xi’s trip.

They'll probably hold the Chinese President for ransom of all of China's foreign reserves. How else to interpret this? At this point begging bowl will not give economic stability, will it?

Information Minister Pervaiz Rashid said the Chinese president would visit Pakistan next month, but the exact date had not yet been finalised.

“The visit of the Chinese leader will pave the way for economic stability in the country and no-one will be allowed to sabotage the visit,” he said.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 06 Feb 2015 09:27

Shiekh Rashid didn't get a visa to visit India, turns out, he is persona non grata in the US too

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Feb 2015 09:46

SBajwa wrote:I see three parts., Sindh and Punjab are together as one. Baluchistan is a smaller area (than current) while Khyber Paktunwa is the largest.

That is the Ralph Peters map of new Pakistan. I don't like Sindh with Pakjab as they will get sea port access. In the old GOI submittal in 1947, Sindh was separate.
OTH so Zaheel Hamid is pushing Ralph Peters map!!!!

He is the Yanqui agent.

Cutlet time?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Feb 2015 09:49

A_Gupta and Agnimitra, How to spread the news of reality of India? Is it possible to reach wider audience with tweets in Urdu and/or Pakjabi? You can see the RAPE suffering from CD when they encounter India's reality in English media. Need to bring this home to the non English speaking abdul and see how they have been misled.
Or a youtube channel with clear commentary on Indian progress.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 06 Feb 2015 10:35

SBajwa wrote:and here is the prophet Zaid Hamid describing that ISIS is actually Mossad creating a bigger Israel

Interesting that the youtube account hosting this video is some "Farhan Kashmiri" - whose profile picture is a mugshot of Asaduddin Owaisi.

ramana wrote:A_Gupta and Agnimitra, How to spread the news of reality of India? Is it possible to reach wider audience with tweets in Urdu and/or Pakjabi? You can see the RAPE suffering from CD when they encounter India's reality in English media. Need to bring this home to the non English speaking abdul and see how they have been misled.
Or a youtube channel with clear commentary on Indian progress.

ramana ji,
- Youtube is banned in STFU-P.
- I've tried Urdu articles (on Agniveer, for instance), but found that the reach was minimal - partly because I found the site hosting those Urdu translations was blocked in those countries (including GEC countries), and partly because the target audience is more of a "multimedia" or "audience" type than serious readers.

+ Bollywood movies, etc would be a very, very powerful medium of reaching the target audience - but currently they seem interested in Indian-girl-romancing-Paki-boy kind of themes.
+ Indian soap operas on TV are also a good outreach method. But it has to be subtle - lots of maska, and then use the grease to slip the truth in.