Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 05 Jan 2015 07:16

the last few pages of this thread remind me of a discussion involving brihaspati and a few others long back about "english vice" and elite pedo rings. and the associated points of Intel role in "promoting" ppl with "dark material" so as to "control" and "mold" them. it's a disgusting state apparatus.

also, watch "imitation game". subtle hints show that Brit Intel knew of Turing's homosexuality and used it to "keep him in the orbit" so to speak.

shyam · Post by **shyam** » 05 Jan 2015 08:42

Sagar G wrote:So randibaaji (prostitution) and nashakhori (drugs) will be part of GDP data released by European nations except France which surprisingly has some sense of shame left. Such "GDP", Much growth wow wow !!!!

Blind chase to boost GDP numbers will result in these kind of actions.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Jan 2015 20:19

Agnimitra wrote:Tommy Robinson speaks at the Oxford Union, about why the EDL was formed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyzGayfI400

There is something that fascinates me about this video - about the interaction ofopne top down monotheistic religion on a secular Christian nation. If I can put my hunch into words _ I will post in the WU thread

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 15 Jan 2015 18:20

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -diet.html
Mother and daughter weigh a total of 43 stone and get £34k a year handouts, but refuse to diet

Janice and Amber Manzur both live off handouts and are so obese they have to use mobility scooters, but they say: 'We'd rather be fat on benefits than thin and working'

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 21 Jan 2015 18:41

British paratrooper charged with rape of six-year-old Austrian girl

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -girl.html

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 22 Jan 2015 10:23

Randy Andy alleged caught with his paedo pants down! The sensational expose that Randy Andy was frolicking with underage nymphets while enjoying the hospitality of the supposed worst US paedo offender ever,Andy's long time bum chum Jeff Epstein,is gettingcloser to the truth .A pic of Randy Andy holding the girl in Q by her waist has appeared in the media.Randy A had for ages been a close buddy of Epstein and only after Epstein was indicted in I the US did relations he reluctantly supposedly sever relations with his host.Despite all his denials,Randy A's defence is looking very shaky esp. after the pic was released.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... nce-andrew

Lawyers ask Prince Andrew to respond under oath about claims of sex with 17-year-old girl
Virginia Roberts files documents in US court including letter addressed to Buckingham Palace asking prince to take part in two-hour interview

Paul Lewis in Washington, Jon Swaine in New York and Robert Booth in London
theguardian.com, Wednesday 21 January 2015 23.38 GMT
Prince Andrew
Buckingham Palace has denied ‘any suggestion of impropriety with underage minors’ by Prince Andrew, after being named in US court papers. Photograph: Ian Gavan/Getty Images

Lawyers acting for the woman who alleges she was forced by a multimillionaire financier to have sex with Prince Andrew when she was 17 are formally requesting that he respond under oath to her accusations.

Details of the request, contained in a letter addressed to Andrew at Buckingham Palace asking him to take part in a two-hour interview, were contained in a new legal submission filed by the woman, Virginia Roberts, in a Florida court on Wednesday.

The court bundle also contains a sworn affidavit from Roberts, providing new details about the sexual encounters she alleges she had with Andrew on three separate occasions beginning when she was 17 and working for Jeffrey Epstein, a former hedge fund boss since convicted for soliciting sex with a minor.

Roberts alleges she was paid $15,000 by Epstein after she claims she first slept with Andrew partly “to keep my mouth shut about ‘working’ with the Prince”. She also claims she was involved in an “orgy” in the US Virgin Islands with the duke, Epstein, and eight other girls, who she said all appeared to be under 18.

Related: Jeffrey Epstein: inside the decade of scandal entangling Prince Andrew

“I had sex with him three times, including one orgy,” Roberts claims in her affidavit. “I knew he was a member of the British royal family, but I just called him “Andy”.” Roberts also claimed that Epstein required her to recount personal details about her alleged sexual encounter with Andrew, adding: “Epstein appeared to be collecting private information about Andy.”

The new documents were filed 24 hours before Andrew is due to carry out his first public engagement since Roberts levelled broad allegations at him in court papers on 30 December.

Palace aides have indicated that Andrew may use a televised speech during the World Economic Forum in Davos on Thursday night to address the controversy over his relationship with Epstein and personally reinforce Buckingham Palace’s forceful denials of Roberts’s accusations. Shortly after the court documents were filed on Wednesday, a Palace spokesperson said: “We have nothing to add to our earlier comments.”

The Palace has previously described Roberts’ allegations as “categorically untrue” and strenuously denied “any form of sexual contact or relationship” between Andrew and Roberts. The Palace previously added: “The allegations made are false and without any foundation.”

However, the royal household has so far declined to respond to any specific questions about Andrew’s friendship with Epstein or his apparent encounters with Roberts when she was a teenager.

In the affidavit, Roberts states: “I have seen Buckingham Palace’s recent ‘’emphatic’ denial that Prince Andrew had sexual contact with me. That denial is false and hurtful to me. I did have sexual contact with him, as I have described here under oath. Given what he knows and has seen, I was hoping that he would simply voluntarily tell the truth about everything. I hope my attorneys can interview Prince Andrew under oath about the contacts, and that he will tell the truth.”

She adds in her affidavit that she has instructed her attorneys “to pursue all reasonable and legitimate means to have criminal charges brought against these powerful people for the crimes they have committed against me and other girls”. The affidavit does not state which powerful individuals Roberts wants to see criminally indicted.

Wednesday’s court submission from Roberts, referred to in legal documents as Jane Doe 3, is her first legal move since her lawyers submitted a motion that named Andrew among several rich and powerful men she alleged she had been loaned out to by Epstein.

That original motion, filed on 30 December and first reported by the Guardian and Politico, was an attempt to add Roberts and another woman to as new plaintiffs to a lawsuit challenging a controversial plea deal that shielded Epstein and his co-conspirators from serious federal charges.

Under the agreement, which Roberts and other women claim violated their rights as alleged victims, Epstein agreed to plead guilty to just one count of soliciting prostitution from an underage girl under Florida state law, serving just 13 months of an 18-month jail sentence.

Andrew is not a party to any legal proceedings.

The 30 December motion named Andrew as one of the men Roberts alleged she was forced to have sex with, but contained few details.

Wednesday’s motion and attached exhibits, however, contained significantly more detail about Roberts’s three alleged encounters with Andrew, the first of which she claims occurred in London in 2001. She said in the affidavit that Epstein emphasised “whatever the prince wanted, I was to make sure he got”.

Roberts alleged in her affidavit that Epstein obtained girls for his influential friends “so that they would ‘owe him,’ they would ‘be in his pocket,’ and he would ‘have something on them.’ She claimed: ‘Epstein thought he could get leniency if he was ever caught doing anything illegal, or more so that he could escape trouble altogether.’”

The affidavit also includes a photograph showing the Prince with his arms around her waist. That picture, Roberts claimed in her affidavit, was taken in the London townhouse where the alleged sexual encounter took place.

“Epstein took a picture of me and Andy with my own camera,” Roberts said of the image in her affidavit. “Andy has his left arm around my waist and is smiling. The picture was developed on 13 March 2001, and was taken sometime shortly before I had it developed. I was 17 years old at the time.”

In her affidavit Roberts also alleges: “When I got back from my trip, Epstein paid me more than he had paid me to be with anyone else – approximately $15,000. That money was for what I had done, and to keep my mouth shut about ‘working’ with the prince.”

She alleged the second sexual encounter took place in New York, in Epstein’s mansion. “I was only paid $400 from Epstein for servicing Andy that time,” Roberts states in the affidavit.

In the affidavit, she adds: “The third time I had sex with Andy was in an orgy on Epstein’s private island in the US Virgin Islands. I was around 18 at the time. Epstein, Andy, approximately eight other young girls, and I had sex together. The other girls all seemed and appeared to be under the age of 18 and didn’t really speak English.”

The letter to Andrew from an attorney representing Roberts’s lawyers features the same photograph of Andrew with his arm around Roberts. “This letter is a formal request … to interview you, under oath, regarding interactions that you had with Jane Doe No 3 beginning in approximately early 2001,” it states.

In the letter, attorney Jack Scarola told Andrew he wanted to “discuss events that occurred at the time that the photograph was taken – and shortly thereafter”.

The lawyers said they also wanted to question Andrew about his “subsequent interactions” with Roberts in New York later that year. “The interview could be conducted at a time and place of your choosing,” wrote Scarola.

The letter, dated 14 January, does not appear to have been received by the Palace. “Federal Express has informed us that the letter has been refused by the recipient,” Roberts’s lawyers state in their main court motion.

As well as naming Andrew, the original December 30 court filing named the French model scout Jean Luc Brunel and Harvard criminal lawyer Alan Dershowitz among the “many other powerful men” Roberts alleges she and other young women were forced by Epstein to have sex with.

Brunel has not responded to repeated requests to comment on Roberts’ allegations. Dershowitz has strenuously and repeatedly contested her claims and has mounted a concerted legal campaign to rebut the allegations. Earlier this month, lawyers for Dershowitz sought to formally intervene in the case to strike the “outrageous and impertinent” allegations against him.

Wednesday’s court submission from Roberts’s lawyers was a direct response to Dershowitz, opposing his legal bid to intervene in the case.

“Her allegations against Prince Andrew are strongly corroborated,” Roberts’ lawyers claim in their motion, adding that despite Buckingham Palace’s denials, the royal household “has not attempted to explain what led to the Prince having his picture taken with his arm around a 17- year-old American girl at night in London in an intimate setting in a private residence”.

Dershowitz on Wednesday reiterated his denial of Roberts’ accusations and alleged that she had now committed perjury by stating them in a sworn affidavit. “I categorically deny that I ever had underage sex with anyone,” he said. “My denial is as categorical as any could be. Everything she says about me is not only completely false but provably false.”

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 22 Jan 2015 19:57

Rape Levels At Record High, Figures Show

Crime figures show there were 24,043 rapes in the year to September 2014, up nearly 6,000 on the previous year.

http://news.sky.com/story/1412803/rape- ... gures-show

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 24 Jan 2015 14:03

The 10 greatest controversies of Winston Churchill's career

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 24 Jan 2015 22:39

Simon Heffer: Why it’s time to debunk the Churchill myth

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 26 Jan 2015 13:20

Britain today,where councils fund anti-Semitic entities.In the Indo-Israel td.,I've posted a piece about the 70th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz and the rise of anti-Semitism today esp. in the EU.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... itism.html
The rising tide of anti-Semitism

In the wake of this month’s attacks in Paris, anxiety is running high in Jewish communities across Britain and new figures are expected to show a significant rise in anti-Semitic attacks

The rising tide of anti-Semitism

In the wake of this month’s attacks in Paris, anxiety is running high in Jewish communities across Britain and new figures are expected to show a significant rise in anti-Semitic attacks

Police officials have been working closely with Jewish organisations to step up security arrangements after the attack on a Kosher supermarket in Paris

By Andrew Gilligan

8:55AM GMT 25 Jan 2015
At the North West London Jewish Day School in Willesden, the five-year-olds are being taught how to respond to a terrorist attack.

“We have regular drills for the children, and they know how to recognise the different alarm signals,” says Daniel Kerbel, the head teacher. There is a permanent security guard on the premises, and each of the classrooms has been fitted with new locks so they can be “invacuated”, their doors secured from inside to act as last-ditch defences between the pupils and a killer.

A few miles to the north, the Jewish Community Secondary School in Barnet, JCoSS, is protected by a security gatehouse and Downing Street-style car-bomb barriers.

In the wake of the anti-Semitic murders of four people in Paris, anxiety has risen so high that some parents have taken to social media, questioning the presence of Muslim cleaners at the school.

Last week Theresa May, the Home Secretary, warned about growing anti-Semitism in Britain. According to one survey this month, a quarter of all British adults agreed that Jews “chase money more than other people” and 45 per cent of British Jews feared their community, the second-largest in Europe, “may not have a future in Britain”.

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In one sense, the fear may be spiking too high. In London, home to most of the country’s Jews, the police say that anti-Semitic incidents have not risen at all since Paris. In the fortnight before the killings, there were 10. In the fortnight after, there were nine.

The 45 per cent figure comes not from a professional poll – but from a survey publicised on Jewish community organisations’ mailing lists and social media. Despite efforts to weight the results, the self-selecting nature of the respondents probably skewed the answers. The other poll was done by a professional pollster, but some of the questions seemed rather loaded.

Patrick Moriarty, the head teacher at JCoSS, is among many who cautions against the “lurid fears” expressed in those famous homes of calm and clear-thinking, Twitter and Facebook.

He has written to parents warning against creating “an atmosphere where fear is whipped up and where within the school building people are not able to trust each other … I felt there was a need to come back to what this school stands for, what Judaism stands for in terms of tolerance, equality and respect, because otherwise the actions of extremists turn us all into extremists.”

Yet there are broader problems, which should give greater cause for alarm. New figures next month are expected to show that 2014 saw a significant increase in anti-Semitic incidents.

In London alone last year, the Met recorded 358 anti-Semitic crimes, a rise of 121 per cent on the previous year’s figure of 162. The Israel-Gaza conflict in July and August caused a large spike in anti-Semitic attacks.

Other figures, from the Community Security Trust to be published next month, are also expected to show a dramatic rise in anti-Semitic incidents.

Per head of population, there were four times more hate crimes against Jewish targets than against Muslims. One Jewish MP, Lee Scott, received five death threats.

“They were saying things like, 'You Jewish pig, we’re going to stone you to death’,” he says. “Always on the phone, and always on Monday evenings to my parliamentary office when they knew my staff had left.”

In parts of Britain, this newspaper has found, anti-Semitism is open, unashamed – and supported by the taxpayer. Only 25 miles north of Barnet, in Luton, one of the town’s main mosques, the Luton Islamic Centre, publishes statements on its website describing Jews as the “brethren of swine and pigs” and calling for “victory over the Jews and the rest of the enemies of Islam”.

One text on the “Palestinian Crisis” asks: “How do the brethren of swine and pigs [Jews] have the upper hand over the best Ummah among all the other nations [Muslims]?”

Another text states: “The Jews strive their utmost to corrupt the beliefs, morals and manners of the Muslims.”

After the Paris attacks, the mosque tweeted a lecture by Qadeer Baksh, its imam, saying that Muslims would be caused “much harm” by the “Christians and the Jews, the extremists among them”.

But, surprisingly given its views, an organisation closely linked to the mosque has been awarded public money for projects to rehabilitate Muslim former offenders and to “work with young people” in Luton.

The Ethnic Minority Training Project, chaired by one of the mosque’s trustees and run by an activist at the mosque, has received at least £75,000 from the local council, the Department for Work and Pensions, the EU and other bodies. According to the mosque’s website, it is a “partner” in the project with the Bedfordshire Probation Service and The Mount, one of the local prisons.

Luton is not the only place where groups with alleged links to anti-Semites have collected a subsidy. In 2013, a charity called the Peace Giving Foundation received a lottery grant of £118,000 to run a programme “empowering ethnic minority women”.

At the time, the Peace Giving Foundation shared directors (and continues to share an address) with the Islamic Education and Research Academy (IERA), which sends extremist speakers to mosques and university societies.

Abdurraheem Green, the founder and head of IERA, once demanded that a Jewish man be removed from his sight when preaching at Speaker’s Corner.

He has also said that the Jewish homeland is a “myth” and British public opinion is “totally hostage to the Zionist-controlled media”.

Other IERA speakers include Sheikh Abdullah Hakim Quick, who has called all Jews “filth”. Past members of the group’s advisory board are Hussain Yee, who blamed the Jews for 9/11, and Haitham al-Haddad, who described them as “the descendants of apes and pigs”.

More than £39,000 of the lottery grant has already been paid. The Big Lottery Fund said last night that payment of the remaining £78,000 had been stopped pending an investigation into the Peace Giving Foundation’s “connections”.

One step back from the open bigotry of people like this, it has long been a favourite rhetorical device of anti-Semites to associate British Jews with the behaviour of the Israeli government.

As it happens, anti-Semitic incidents were already rising sharply in the first half of 2014, before the Israel-Gaza conflict began – but July, when the crisis started, saw an even bigger spike. That month, according to the London mayor’s office for policing and crime, 95 per cent of all hate crime in the capital was directed against Jewish targets.

Given this, Jewish community leaders in north London say they are troubled by a letter from Helen King, assistant commissioner at Scotland Yard, to a local MP saying that supporters of both sides “are increasingly incensed by new incidents in Gaza”, which has “ultimately led to an increase in anti-Semitic incidents and a corresponding rise in Islamophobic offences”.

There have in fact been almost no attacks on Muslims by supporters of Israel, let alone a “corresponding rise”.

At the 2010 election, Mr Scott and other “Zionist” MPs were targeted for attack leaflets, telephone canvassing and pickets by the Muslim Public Affairs Committee (MPAC), an extremist group which has often used the Z-word interchangeably with Israeli or Jewish (it described the Talmud as a “Zionist holy book”, though it was written centuries before Zionism existed).

MPAC borrows the words of Abdullah Azzam, mentor to Osama bin Laden, to describe itself as a “vanguard” of those who “sacrifice their souls and their blood in order to bring victory to our ambitions and convictions”.

Most of MPAC’s boasting about its huge electoral influence can be easily exposed as blowhard lies, but it may indeed have helped change the outcome in strongly Muslim Bradford East.

The incumbent, Labour’s Terry Rooney (not Jewish, but pro-Israeli) lost by 365 votes in the 2010 general election after MPAC distributed thousands of leaflets calling him a Zionist Islamophobe and “warmonger” who could not represent Muslims.

The winner, the Liberal Democrat David Ward, has fulfilled all MPAC’s wildest hopes. In 2013, he was suspended from the Lib Dem parliamentary party after criticising “the Jews” for inflicting atrocities on the Palestinians and questioning Israel’s right to exist.

During the Gaza conflict last year he stated: “If I lived in Gaza, would I fire a rocket? Probably yes.” His response to Paris: “Je suis Palestinian.”

Until January last year, Mr Ward employed MPAC’s spokesman, Raza Nadim, as his constituency assistant.

Britain is one of the least anti-Semitic countries; only 7 per cent in the Pew global attitudes survey feel unfavourably towards Jews, the second-lowest figure in Europe.

Almost none of the incidents reported to the police involves violence. But for British Jews, the pricks of insecurity need not involve guns and bullets; they can come in small ways, such as Mr Ward’s choice of staff and words, or the BBC News presenter who said on-air that Jewish donors to Labour “would be very much against the mansion tax”.

And as Jeremy Apfel, chairman of Barnet Synagogue, says, “the immediate lesson from France is that failure to stamp out anti-Semitism and attacks on Jews inevitably leads to attacks on democracy itself; historically the Jews have merely served as the hors d’oeuvres”.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 02 Feb 2015 07:57

whats your darkest secret?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 04 Feb 2015 14:45

Why the UK establishment considers Charles as a maverick who won't toe the line and be used as a stuffed dummy to tout UK/MNC interests.Charles has made his mind very clear about the harmful effects of GM crops,is veggie,a heritage arch. fanatic,etc. he ius deeply concerned about crass commercialism which is destroying the traditional fabric of Britain.His brother though,Randy Andy,has been a very controversial figure,pushing British interests with close contacts with a variety of controversial dictatorial leaders and the US's most infamous padeophile,with whom Randy Andy allegedly had sex with an underage girl.

‘I won’t be used to peddle UK arms in Middle East’ – Prince Charles
Published time: February 03, 2015 13:14
Prince Charles in Saudi Arabia, February 18, 2014. (Reuters/Fayez Nureldine)

The Prince of Wales wants to end his role as a promoter of British arms in Gulf States where possible, according to his new biography.

The unauthorized book, ‘Charles: Heart of a King’, is due to be published on Thursday. It was written by Catherine Mayer, an American-born, UK-educated, London-based journalist.

Reflecting on the biography, Mayer told the BBC there is a significant gap between the public’s perception of Prince Charles and the man behind the image.

She said her book attempts to portray the peculiarity of “Planet Windsor.”

In advance of Prince Charles’ upcoming tour of the Middle East, the biography claims the future monarch doesn’t appreciate “being used to market weaponry.”

“A source close to the Prince says he doesn’t like being used to market weaponry and now sidesteps such activities where possible,” Mayer writes.

Andrew Smith, from Campaign Against Arms Trade, said Prince Charles had admitted he used his position to “to promote UK arms sales to tyrants and dictators.”

But Smith stressed Charles’ actions in this regard “are only a small part of a much bigger picture of taxpayer funded arms export promotion.”

Smith warned while the UK government talks about promoting democracy, back-room British business deals often result in serious human rights violations.

“Unfortunately when it comes to business, human rights will often play second fiddle to the short term profits of the arms companies,” he said.

Prince Charles’ alleged concerns over his unofficial role as a marketing agent for British arms abroad is yet to prompt tangible tension in Westminster’s quarters.

But his current perspective on the matter, as unveiled by Mayer’s book, means he is unlikely to be attending arms fairs in the coming months.

Despite the Prince of Wales' recent aversion to peddling arms in Middle Eastern states, he has not always shied away from such a role.

Rumours that Prince Charles is Britain’s secret weapon in dealing with Gulf States were compounded when his visit to Saudi Arabia in 2014 was swiftly followed by a noteworthy arms deal.

UK aerospace firm BAE Systems officially announced the completion of an agreement to broker Typhoon jets to the Saudi government a mere day after the Prince of Wales departed from the Saudi capital of Riyadh.

Additionally, investigative journalist and filmmaker John Pilger previously quoted the Prince of Wales as saying in Dubai, “we’re really rather good at making certain kinds of weapons.”

And in a documentary made in 1994, Prince Charles defended his appearance at an arms fair in Dubai.

He said at the time his presence at the event helped to boost British trade.

The Prince of Wales also allegedly suggested the weapons on sale at the fair would most likely be deployed as a deterrent, and “if the UK doesn’t sell them, someone else will.”

Prince Charles is regarded by the Foreign Office as a highly valuable asset, as he has the ability to gain closer access to senior Arab officials than any minister or diplomat.

He is a regular visitor to Arab states, and travelled to Saudi Arabia last month to honor the passing of the nation’s controversial King Abdullah.

The prince has a close relationship with the Saudi royal family, ties critics say the Foreign and Commonwealth Office exploit to bolster Britain’s strategic interests.

During his upcoming visit to the Middle East, Prince Charles is set to visit five separate states in total. As part of the trip, he will meet Saudi Arabia’s newly appointed King Salman.

A spokesperson for Clarence House said the visit would not be influenced by the “sale of defense equipment,” and is essentially not commercial in nature.

He stressed Charles’ scheduled visit would focus on strengthening key relationships and “highlighting stability” in the Middle East - and that the states the Prince will visit are “important allies” and “key partners” of Britain.

The UK government’s recent decision to fly flags at half-mast over state buildings to commemorate the death of King Abdullah unleashed a torrent of criticism.

Civil liberties advocates sharply criticized the British government for commemorating Abdullah despite Saudi Arabia’s poor human rights record.

Reflecting on the Saudi monarch’s death, journalist Jeremy Scahill described him as “merciless US-backed butcher and a systematic human rights abuser.”

But British Prime Minister David Cameron defended Britain’s intimate relationship with Saudi Arabia, stressing the country had aided the West in the fight against terrorism.

Cameron made particular reference to a tip-off from Saudi intelligence officers that prompted the discovery of a bomb on a cargo plane in an East Midlands airport in 2010.

The PM said the tip-off had “saved potentially hundreds of lives here in Britain.”

According to Mayer’s biography, Prince Charles’ recent aversion to promoting UK arms sales in the Middle East is being “handled discreetly.”

Senior defense chiefs have rejected the notion that Prince Charles previously aided in securing or brokering contracts on behalf of UK arms firms.

They said such a suggestion was “ludicrous” and “misguided.”

“Asking the royal family to intervene on our behalf is just not something we do and I don’t ever recall us having used Prince Charles,” a defense executive told The Australian.

“Everything that we do is negotiated through the government and the UK’s Defence and Security Organization.”

http://rt.com/uk/228867-middle-east-arms-charles/

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 04 Feb 2015 21:35

Decorated Royal Marine once introduced to Duchess of Cornwall is exposed as a paedophile - and judge blasts CPS who could have caught him FIVE YEARS earlier

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z3QnQ153jw

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 05 Feb 2015 16:00

Voter fraud. Animal abuse. FGM. Here. In our country.

When will liberal apologists stop making excuses for undemocratic, uncivilised and downright illegal behaviour in Britain?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ntry..html

DevD · Post by **DevD** » 06 Feb 2015 00:02

So I was in a relatively good mood, driving towards the Indian visa centre in Manchester, listening to BBC radio 4. There was a program on, called "In our Time", moderated by one Melwyn Bragg, about Emperor Ashoka.
There were two women historians specialising in Buddhist studies, and an assho£e called Richard Gombrich.
When it was his turn to speak, he went on this long rant about how the Ashokan edicts were the first example of written script in India, that India was completelty illiterate before him, Hindu India was a caste ridden, illiterate hellhole and all the lores about sophisticated universities and civilization had to be false because there was no evidence of any writing in India before Ashoka.
He then went on to say, and I quote from memory, that "Brahminical Indians purged Ashoka from living memory.... Today, he is ignored in the Indian education system, and mentioned fleetingly as a Hindu King" and basically gloated about how Englishmen had rediscovered his legacy while the ~~Indians~~ Brahmins carried on their caste system and blood sacrifice while wiping out Buddhism from India.
I have no illusions about the BBC, but this was frankly malicious. If a panelist in any of their programes had expressed similar views or used similar words about Islam, he'd be toast.
I was fuming. The moderator utterered appreciative noises. The women almost interjected, but then didn't. I felt a burning desire to punch him in the face.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 06 Feb 2015 00:06

Rule no 24: Don't listen to anything the worthless brishits have to say about India -- just tell them what you think of brishiters. Don't hold back.

DevD · Post by **DevD** » 06 Feb 2015 05:43

Tuvaluan wrote:Rule no 24: Don't listen to anything the worthless brishits have to say about India -- just tell them what you think of brishiters. Don't hold back.

Tuvaluan Saar, I usually give it as good as I get, but this made me specially angry. He touched a nerve that only the most rabid Brits can do. What rankled me most was that the bugger had an audience of millions, and I could only imagine in my head what I would say to him were we face to face. Nevertheless, I continue to spread my message where and when I can.
Hope the Tau-o-lalo is treating you well.
Regards.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 06 Feb 2015 06:10

Something very common in Bakis and the Brishits is that both of them are delusional narcissists always imagining to be something they were not. i.e. imagining to be the creators when they were plagiarists, imagining to be wealth creators when they were pirates and imagining to be benevolent when they were committing mass murder.

Both of them have spun myths about their glorious past. Difference between bakis and the Brishits is that the latter actually were technologically competent and had a good grasp of realpolitik and had internalized the policy of divide and rule from the Byzantines (who got it from the Romans). They were also the "victors" in the last European war (WWII) and they were also peacefully let out of India.

That brings me to this (not so surprising) conclusion. Every act of inhumanity, be it genocide, slavery, war, torture that was committed by the white man against a non-white man has been carefully scrubbed off the History books (which the white man controls). Every act of inhumanity that is committed by a non-white person is carefully cataloged, studied and deconstructed by the white historians.

Once we reverse the gaze (will happen at one point or the other since I believe there is a critical mass of Indians who believe they have been fed B$ for history), you will see Baki like delusional videos coming out of brishit mouthpieces. If we have Modi like govt for a couple of decades we shall start seeing them before 2030s.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 06 Feb 2015 09:42

Richard Gombrich

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Gombrich

Doesn't seem to have engaged much with India, in terms of publications, etc...

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 06 Feb 2015 09:48

This dhaaga is fast turning into a "Positive News from the UK" ala "Positive news from US". There appears to be very little engagement between India and UK that may be deemed significant as reflected in the dearth of news about this.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Feb 2015 05:42

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 07 Feb 2015 05:48

What rankled me most was that the bugger had an audience of millions, and I could only imagine in my head what I would say to him were we face to face.

DevD, if you get your BP up every time you come across such morons, it hurts you more than it hurts them. I mean, Ashoka Chakra is part of the Indian Flag, not to mention the three lions -- idiots who go around saying nonsense like this may influence their audience, but let's face it, there are more of us than more of them, and when they become a quasi-islamic emirate run by pakis..even worse than they are now, we can recall this quote by a wise guy who said “I have an important message to deliver to all the cute people all over the world. If you're out there and you're cute, maybe you're beautiful. I just want to tell you somethin' — there's more of us UGLY MOFOS than you are, hey-y, so watch out.” I guess my point is that it is more important to work on informing Indians than informing others, in order of relative priority, though I suppose it depends on where you live and who you think needs influencing.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 07 Feb 2015 09:44

Correct... A very neat and easy trick is simply not to care particularly about non-Indian opinion about India, provided you consider that opinion as objectively as you can (because there may be value).

From what I can tell, this Gombrich fellow is bred on a particular worldview and he's spouting that. So it's just background noise. Dismissed.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 07 Feb 2015 19:50

DevD wrote:So I was in a relatively good mood, driving towards the Indian visa centre in Manchester, listening to BBC radio 4. There was a program on, called "In our Time", moderated by one Melwyn Bragg, about Emperor Ashoka.
There were two women historians specialising in Buddhist studies, and an assho£e called Richard Gombrich.
When it was his turn to speak, he went on this long rant about how the Ashokan edicts were the first example of written script in India, that India was completelty illiterate before him, Hindu India was a caste ridden, illiterate hellhole and all the lores about sophisticated universities and civilization had to be false because there was no evidence of any writing in India before Ashoka.
He then went on to say, and I quote from memory, that "Brahminical Indians purged Ashoka from living memory.... Today, he is ignored in the Indian education system, and mentioned fleetingly as a Hindu King" and basically gloated about how Englishmen had rediscovered his legacy while the ~~Indians~~ Brahmins carried on their caste system and blood sacrifice while wiping out Buddhism from India.
I have no illusions about the BBC, but this was frankly malicious. If a panelist in any of their programes had expressed similar views or used similar words about Islam, he'd be toast.
I was fuming. The moderator utterered appreciative noises. The women almost interjected, but then didn't. I felt a burning desire to punch him in the face.

Heard that and had same feeling. There was even suggestion that Ashoka was merely playing as budhist and never actully converted to Budhism. Apparantly he did this to control waste empire.

DevD · Post by **DevD** » 07 Feb 2015 23:30

I mean, Ashoka Chakra is part of the Indian Flag, not to mention the three lions

Tuvaluan ji, precisely my thoughts, along with the Ashoka Charkra awards, the chapters in Indian history books and numerous movies and TV serials (one currently on air) etc etc. It was Bangalore, Kerala level of ignorance from a supposed super-duper western expert. Anyway, my B.P has normalised now...

From what I can tell, this Gombrich fellow is bred on a particular worldview and he's spouting that. So it's just background noise

JEM sir, That's right... He seems to be the epitome of the prejudiced western orientalist, whose basic training process conditions him to view Hinduism as an evil superstition. I wouldn't care too much for people like him, but many Indians educated in liberal studies actually still look up to these kinds as their idols. I was speaking to my mother today and she was telling me about a debate that she had with a close friend who was spouting exactly the same B.S- the friend was JNU trained, no surprises...

There was even suggestion that Ashoka was merely playing as budhist and never actully converted to Budhism. Apparantly he did this to control waste empire

rsingh ji, he also said that the story of his epiphanic change of heart after the battle of Kalinga might be ~~mythical~~ apocryphal, and his change to Buddhism may have been borne of more pragmatic reasons. He was quite sympathetic to Ashoka overall, but his hatred for the non Buddhist ancient India was the jarring part. I guess it fits well with his background and worldview..

DevD · Post by **DevD** » 07 Feb 2015 23:45

Jhujar, that's a very interesting and useful table. What is the source, please?- I do intend to use it for something if that's O.K.

Thanks

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 07 Feb 2015 23:50

>>I wouldn't care too much for people like him, but many Indians educated in liberal studies actually still look up to these kinds as their idols. I was speaking to my mother today and she was telling me about a debate that she had with a close friend who was spouting exactly the same B.S

Boss, is this a British problem? In my opinion no, it is an Indian problem. We need to change our own minds about this, and that will only come through educating the ignorant - one at a time. Just do your part.

In general, the expectation that anyone other than ourselves (whether British or Martian) will be fair about us or to us in recounting history is itself a sign of submissive acceptance, first of their claptrap, and secondly an indication that we still hold their views above our own, and trust that our master will be fair and correct in dealing with us. It is contemptible.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 08 Feb 2015 00:01

DevD wrote:Jhujar, that's a very interesting and useful table. What is the source, please?- I do intend to use it for something if that's O.K.Thanks

I found it on Twitter and the poster seemed like a graduate from BRF University, Kalpitasthan .

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 09 Feb 2015 13:16

Prince Charles says radicalisation of young people 'alarming'

The Prince of Wales has described the extent to which young people are becoming radicalised as "alarming" and one of the "greatest worries".

He also spoke of his "deep concern" for the suffering of Christian churches in the Middle East.

You think that the people who have come here, [are] born here, go to school here, would imbibe those values and outlooks."

"The frightening part is that people can be so radicalised either through contact with somebody else or through the internet, and the extraordinary amount of crazy stuff which is on the internet."

He said: "I particularly wanted to show solidarity really, deep concern for what so many of the Eastern Christian churches are going through in the Middle East.

'Protector of faiths'
"Christianity was founded in the Middle East which we often forget. From a morale point I hope it showed they were not forgotten. I wish I could do more. Many of us do wish we could do more.

and feared there would soon be very few Christians left in the region.

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 10 Feb 2015 20:04

Jhujar,

I found this on Wiki, somewhat similar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_o ... itish_rule

Timeline[edit]

Chronological list of famines in India between 1765 and 1947[1]

Year

Name of famine (if any)

British territory

Indian kingdoms/Princely states

Mortality

1769–70 Great Bengal Famine Bihar, Northern and Central Bengal 10 million[2] (about one third of the then population of Bengal).[3] Disputed as excessive.[citation needed]
1782–83 Madras city and surrounding areas Kingdom of Mysore See below.
1783–84 Chalisa famine Delhi, Western Oudh, Eastern Punjab region, Rajputana, and Kashmir Severe famine. Large areas were depopulated. Up to 11 million people may have died during the years 1782–84.[4]
1791–92 Doji bara famine or Skull famine Hyderabad, Southern Maratha country, Deccan, Gujarat, and Marwar One of the most severe famines known. People died in such numbers that they could not be cremated or buried. It is thought that 11 million people may have died during the years 1788–94.[5]
1837–38 Agra famine of 1837–38 Central Doab and trans-Jumna districts of the North-Western Provinces (later Agra Province), including Delhi and Hissar 800,000.[6]
1860–61 Upper Doab famine of 1860–61 Upper Doab of Agra; Delhi and Hissar divisions of the Punjab Eastern Rajputana 2 million.[6]
1865–67 Orissa famine of 1866 Orissa (also 1867) and Bihar; Bellary and Ganjam districts of Madras 1 million (814,469 in Orissa, 135,676 in Bihar and 10,898 in Ganjam)[7]
1868–70 Rajputana famine of 1869 Ajmer, Western Agra, Eastern Punjab Rajputana 1.5 million (mostly in the princely states of Rajputana)[8]
1873–74 Bihar famine of 1873–74 Bihar An extensive relief effort was organized by the Bengal government. There were little to none significant mortalities during the famine.[9]
1876–78 Great Famine of 1876–78 (also Southern India famine of 1876–78) Madras and Bombay Mysore and Hyderabad 5.5 million in British territory.[6] Mortality unknown for princely states. Total famine mortality estimates vary from 6.1 to 10.3 million.[10]
1888–89 Ganjam, Orissa and North Bihar 150,000 deaths in Ganjam. Deaths were due to starvation as famine relief was not provided in time.[11]
1896–97 Indian famine of 1896–97 Madras, Bombay Deccan, Bengal, United Provinces, Central Provinces Northern and eastern Rajputana, parts of Central India and Hyderabad 5 million in British territory.[6]
1899–1900 Indian famine of 1899–1900 Bombay, Central Provinces, Berar, Ajmer Hyderabad, Rajputana, Central India, Baroda, Kathiawar, Cutch, 1 million (in British territories).[6] Mortality unknown for princely states.
1905–06 Bombay Bundelkhand 235,062 in Bombay (of which 28,369 attributed to Cholera). Mortality unknown for Bundelkhand.[12]
1943–44 Bengal famine of 1943 Bengal 1.5 million from starvation; 3.5 million including deaths from epidemics.[12]

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Feb 2015 23:16

Sanskrit epic Mahabharata to be retold on Twitter
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/2c8e24f4 ... z3RMslJBsV

( Brishit again, These MC Gunga Dins there are up to something)

A UK-based academic has distilled the Mahabharata, a Sanskrit epic often invoked by India’s Prime Minister, Narendra Modi, into a series of tweets to create India’s first example of ‘Twitter fiction’ — and he is now working on a sequel.Chindu Sreedharan, a lecturer at Bournemouth University in the UK, began narrating the tale through the voice of one of the story’s powerful warriors via thousands of 140-character bursts in 2009.FirstFT is our new essential daily email briefing of the best stories from across the webHarperCollins published his full story in December as a 276-page book, Epic Retold, and the sequel will tell the story using the Mahabharata’s main villain as a mouthpiece.“When you study war you study also the difference between alternative truths,” explains the writer, a former journalist who covered the conflict in Kashmir. “It’s just trying to flip it around and turn the story on the head.”The Mahabharata’s 18 books centre on an ancient mythological war set some 5,000 years ago, but remain popular throughout India, spawning numerous television dramas and comic books.Mr Sreedharan’s plans for a sequel demonstrate the growing — and innovative — use of Twitter in India, the group’s third largest market by users, where the social media platform has also become an important tool for election campaigns and corporate communications.“It’s a platform that’s known for its brevity and my question was whether a story with a longer narrative would work,” Mr Sreedharan says. “It allows you to declutter a lot of your thoughts and it allows you to get on with the story.”When you study war you study also the difference between alternative truths. It’s just trying to flip it around and turn the story on the head.India crossed 300m internet users in December, according to the Internet and Mobile Association of India, with swaths of the population gaining access to the internet via mobile devices. As their potential market grows, platforms such as Twitter and Facebook are embracing new uses that attract a larger audience.“Innovation has always been at the very core of Twitter, whether it’s how it borrows from text messages or incorporating hashtags which was a user generated idea,” says Raheel Khursheed, head of news, politics and government at Twitter India. “We expect people to push the boundaries of their imagination whether through a Twitter Novel or even using Vines [short videos] to showcase their story telling abilities even more.”Mr Sreedharan’s interpretation of the ancient text was influenced by readers, who guided him to other versions and provided feedback online. But the Mahabharata, which includes the sacred Bhagavadgita, can also cause controversy in India and Mr Sreedharan’s portrayal of some characters was criticised by his followers, most of whom are based in India.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 12 Feb 2015 12:00

West pakistan is doing well: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/f ... s-10-years

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 15 Feb 2015 00:39

https://www.kcl.ac.uk/graduate/funding/ ... iew&id=599

Do your bit and steer youngsters away from this King's India Institute, unless they want to turn out like the worthless mofo Srinath Raghava (alumnus of King's India Institute).

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 16 Feb 2015 13:29

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/edi ... 40149.html

Editorial
Wednesday 11 February 2015

On the sidelines: As crises grip Europe, the solutions our partners are striving for lack any meaningful contribution from Britain

Where it is possible to discern it at all, British foreign policy appears to have taken Theodore Roosevelt’s mantra, “Speak softly and carry a big stick”, and reversed it.

In the EU, David Cameron complains loudly but knows that to use his stick – and to lead Britain towards the exit door – would be a disaster for the UK’s economy and its people. On Syria and Iraq, the Prime Minister speaks of a “generational struggle” against jihadism – but our armed forces are hangers-on in the coalition against Isis, according to a report released last week by the Defence Select Committee. In Ukraine, meanwhile, as Angela Merkel and François Hollande throw themselves into last-ditch negotiations, the Prime Minister – who, before the G20 summit in November, implied that Russian aggression in Ukraine mirrored that of Nazi Germany – is nowhere to be seen. The UK has been branded a “bit player” by a former high-ranking Nato commander.

As global security frays, Britain – despite protestations to the contrary – has taken up a position on the sidelines. There are many explanations for this: costly wars in Afghanistan and Iraq; cuts at the Foreign Office; and the rise of nationalist politics, in the shape of Ukip, which has made Britain more inward-looking. But the current non-strategy leaves much to be desired. As Rory Stewart, the chairman of the Defence Select Committee, said on Sunday, Britain is not Denmark. It still has the fifth-largest economy in the world. Government officials have, as a by-product of Middle East wars, an extensive understanding of the region. Until Mr Cameron put distance between Britain and the EU, our influence in Brussels was strongly felt.

This is not the time to call for a more muscular, or hawkish, foreign policy. Nobody seeks a return to the “intervene first, ask questions later” school of diplomacy, as witnessed under the government of Tony Blair. But Britain’s naturally diminished position in the global order does not mean it has to limit itself to – on the one hand – grandstanding, and – on the other – splendid isolation.

With a bit more nous, the UK could return to its position of shaping the destiny of the EU from within, rather than threatening it from without. There are lessons to be learnt from Greece’s negotiations over debt relief with the eurozone, which began in Berlin today. Like Mr Cameron, the Greek Finance Minister, Yanis Varoufakis, has attempted to turn events his way with a form of brinksmanship. Better to attempt to find solutions that might benefit the other members of the EU club, too, than strike out alone. Both Britain and Greece would be hurt more by an exit – from the euro and the eurozone, respectively – than those left behind.

There may be little that Britain could add to the Ukraine negotiations, beyond what it already has, with Mr Cameron pushing for tougher sanctions against Russia late last year. France and Germany have deeper ties to the region. But, given that it has been customary for prime ministers to carry out in person the most pressing foreign negotiations since the tenure of Mr Blair, his presence in Minsk – in place of Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond – would have been welcome. For him to stay away simply gives weight to the view of a Russian official, expressed in 2013, that “Britain is a small island nobody pays any attention to” – an opinion Mr Cameron firmly rejected at the time.

For too long, Britain has been talking the talk on engagement with the problems of the day, but failing to walk the walk. This is a small nation but one with vast experience in diplomacy and foreign affairs. It should be doing better with what it has.

Pl. see the West Asia td. for another excellent piece and criticism of the Britain's foreign policy by a top UK general.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 16 Feb 2015 14:26

Philip wrote:For too long, Britain has been talking the talk on engagement with the problems of the day, but failing to walk the walk. This is a small nation but one with vast experience in diplomacy and foreign affairs. It should be doing better with what it has.

I disagree on the premise that Brishits have "vast" experience in diplomacy and foreign affairs. They have "vast" experience in piracy, imperialist aggression and committing mass murder and then white-washing it. They are the successful Bakis. If Bakistan were successful, they would be indistinguishable from the Brishits.

All these violent and agressive acts used to pass off as "diplomacy" before Vietnam War, that war and later on the eye-raq and Afghanistan misadventures ended up changing the face of diplomacy. That diplomacy is quiet different from the ones that Brishits are used to doing (which are essentially Baki tactics). It has a different way of achieving things, and Baki tactics let you only survive to see another day and does not allow you to win that easily anymore.

Brishits should know their place in the world, and that is a soon to be oblivious place that may have to be taken over/nooked by the rest of the world if ever it allows the Islamist menace to take over its capital.

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 16 Feb 2015 21:35

The imperial nostalgia of Indian Summers should not blind us to the free, prosperous India of today

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... today.html

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 17 Feb 2015 16:51

LokeshC wrote:
Philip wrote:For too long, Britain has been talking the talk on engagement with the problems of the day, but failing to walk the walk. This is a small nation but one with vast experience in diplomacy and foreign affairs. It should be doing better with what it has.
I disagree on the premise that Brishits have "vast" experience in diplomacy and foreign affairs. They have "vast" experience in piracy, imperialist aggression and committing mass murder and then white-washing it. They are the successful Bakis. If Bakistan were successful, they would be indistinguishable from the Brishits.

All these violent and agressive acts used to pass off as "diplomacy" before Vietnam War, that war and later on the eye-raq and Afghanistan misadventures ended up changing the face of diplomacy. That diplomacy is quiet different from the ones that Brishits are used to doing (which are essentially Baki tactics). It has a different way of achieving things, and Baki tactics let you only survive to see another day and does not allow you to win that easily anymore.

Brishits should know their place in the world, and that is a soon to be oblivious place that may have to be taken over/nooked by the rest of the world if ever it allows the Islamist menace to take over its capital.

About 'diplomacy' before/after Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan wars, this message says a lot of 'vast' experience of any member of ~~bathtub club~~ Colonial masters in general, and is also why they will not leave one of masters behind. If one falls, the others will be exposed too for their colonial exploits - post discovery of foreign shores and pillage thereafter of ALL continents.

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 18 Feb 2015 01:07

I am in appreciation mood today. If you really think about it, India needs to become a little more Paki when dealing with foreign countries/ideologies.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 18 Feb 2015 03:42

Fair and impartial British press in action, the Daily Telegraph no less:
British newspaper star quits and accuses paper of defrauding readers by not publishing negative stories about HSBC because it was a major advertiser

The Daily Telegraph's chief political commentator Peter Oborne has resigned from the British newspaper, leaving behind a blistering attack on his former employer in a post on the Open Democracy website.

In it, Oborne says the newspaper's coverage (or lack of it) on HSBC is a "fraud on readers," accusing The Daily Telegraph of refusing to cover major disparaging stories about the bank because it is a key advertiser.
...
Oborne first noticed an issue when he began work on a story about HSBC sending letters to well-known British Muslims informing them their accounts had been closed, with no reason given. Oborne says he submitted his story for publication on The Telegraph's website, but it was not published. He made some inquiries.

"I was fobbed off with excuses, then told there was a legal problem. When I asked the legal department, the lawyers were unaware of any difficulty. When I pushed the point, an executive took me aside and said that 'there is a bit of an issue with HSBC'," Oborne writes.

These types of instances were common, according to Oborne. Another story about HSBC, this article written by former Telegraph banking correspondent Harry Wilson, about a "black hole" in HSBC's accounts was published, then swiftly removed from the Telegraph's website, Oborne says. You can still find Wilson's tweet promoting the story, but the link is no longer accessible. HSBC declined to comment on the reasons the article was removed, when contacted by Oborne.

Oborne also points to the minimal, "soft" coverage The Telegraph has given to HSBC stories that have recently dominated the front pages, such as the blow to the bank's profits as it set aside more than £1 billion for customer compensation and an investigation into rigging the currency markets, and more recently the news about its Swiss banking arm allegedly being involved in a wide scale tax evasion scheme.

Beyond HSBC, Oborne also suggests The Telegraph has run favorable pieces about key advertisers such as cruise liner company Cunards and Tesco. Meanwhile, Oborne says there was a correlation between the paper's minimal coverage on last year's protest in Hong Kong, and the later publication of its China Watch supplement (which would have drawn in considerable amounts of advertising revenue.)
...
Last week, Oborne said he made an even more alarming discovery: He says that Telegraph reporters were ordered to "destroy all emails, reports and documents" related to an investigation into accounts held with HSBC in Jersey (a story along similar lines to the recent scandal at its Swiss banking arm.)

Plenty more in the article . Here's his web posting:
Why I have resigned from the Telegraph

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 18 Feb 2015 15:15

HSBC invaded by investigators in Switzerland!
Racist Brits (Chelsea fans) in Paris! Britain's football hooligans have no equal anywhere on the planet.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ch ... 52713.html

Chelsea fans filmed pushing black man off Paris Metro and chanting – 'We’re racist, we’re racist, and that’s the way we like it'

The incident was filmed ahead of Chelsea’s Champions League game against Paris Saint-Germain
ROISIN O'CONNOR Wednesday 18 February 2015

A shocking video of a group of Chelsea supporters singing a racist chant and preventing a black man from boarding the Métro in Paris has sparked widespread condemnation.

Amateur footage shows the man repeatedly trying to get onto a train, only to be shoved out of the door and back onto the platform. The fans are heard chanting "We’re racist, we’re racist, and that’s the way we like it".

The incident was filmed at the Richelieu-Drouot station ahead of Chelsea’s Champions League game against Paris Saint-Germain at Parc des Princes on 17 February, and released to the Guardian by British expatriate Paul Nolan.

Chelsea released a statement on Tuesday evening condemning the behaviour of the fans.
"Such behaviour is abhorrent and has no place in football or society," Chelsea's statement read.

"We will support any criminal action against those involved, and should evidence point to involvement of Chelsea season-ticket holders or members the club will take the strongest possible action against them, including banning orders."

Mr Nolan told the Guardian: “The doors were open and I could see and hear that a lot of chanting was going on. It looked like it was quite aggressive so I just took out by phone to record it.

"He was obviously completely shocked when they pushed him off. I don’t think he realised who they were. He then tried to get on again and got pushed off a second time.

"I was just completely appalled by it and so that’s why I tried to catch some of it on my phone, although I was a bit self-conscious as it was getting quite aggressive and I overhead one of the Chelsea fans say something about stabbing someone. I think he was referring to a Paris Saint-Germain supporter who was on the platform," Mr Nolan added.

"There definitely was a culture shock. I heard a couple of French guys saying: 'I can’t believe this. It’s insane.'"

French police reportedly used teargas outside the match venue when scuffles involving Chelsea fans flared up before the game.

The train incident could potentially lead to disciplinary action from Uefa if the governing body decided an event that occurred away from the stadium was within its remit. If further action was taken, Chelsea could face a fine and a warning.