India-US Relations : News and Discussion

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 09 Feb 2015 00:04

Maybe if the US president wants to discourage religious intolerance he should look closer to home, like in his own military.

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/advocac ... _military/

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 09 Feb 2015 00:09

Christianity of the Inquisition in the US Army

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT3--3cm8aQ

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 09 Feb 2015 03:53

Just to give folks an idea about the sense of entitlement the Khan has in terms of dictating policies for its so called allies. And what it expects of them and its leaders. Do as i say and all...

http://m.theatlantic.com/international/ ... re/382031/

There truly is no friendship etc with Khan. Only a transactional relationship will work.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 09 Feb 2015 04:01

The trouble is that while real SuperlPowels act, the Tritiya BhUgol Atishakti just

Misphortunately, so does

Pee Aref these days. Gone r the dins when 'v' could generate our own reports and publish them: the ones 'v' did, are still around, though.

One Report summarizing the threads here would be more than enough, it will run into a few hundred pages already.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 09 Feb 2015 04:04

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/02/ ... repulsive/

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 09 Feb 2015 14:11

The Rise of the Religious Right in the Republican Party

Dominionism and Dominion Theology

http://www.theocracywatch.org/dominionism.htm

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 09 Feb 2015 18:06

Some info. about USCIRF:
- Considers itself independent, bipartisan and first of its kind in the world!
- It is dedicated to defending the universal right to freedom of religion or belief abroad. (The United Nations declaration of Human Rights does not say that people have to defend the 'universal' right to freedom of religion/belief in only 'abroad'. There is no distinction of within the country and abroad in the UN declaration of human rights!

)
- Created by the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998 ( this act also does not say that defending the universal right to religion/belief has to be done only abroad! link)
- The chair of USCIRFlink is member of religious church (LSD Church) herself, and her husband is also member of LSD church.

Some more link . From wiki page of Katrina Swett, it seems she has a lot of experience in politics. An interesting line

She accused General Wesley Clark of apostasy on the AUMF in the Iraq War of 2003

AUMF was a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing military action against Iraq. So is not apostasy a religious word. It seems it is difficult to separate religion and politics in USA, regardless of claims of separation of state and religion!

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 09 Feb 2015 20:14

US Marines = Religious fundementalists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MtdyRD ... dded#t=234

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 09 Feb 2015 20:50

VikasRaina wrote:Why do we give so much footage to Orgs that have nothing to say about Barbaria but preach to India about Religious freedom.

The real answer is psychological: we--Hindus--have a mostly good religion but are morally passive-aggressive; pakis, christian imperialists etc., have a mostly bad religion but are morally aggressive.

Our passive side allows aggressive people to set the agenda. When there is a choice of competing aggressive agendas, we will pick the most attractive one based on other intuitive factors that we don't acknowledge--like race, wealth, power etc.

Our aggressive side then cries. "Why they are bleddy telling like this onlee?" "Ayyayyo, why we are like this onlee?"

On top of this, we are also non-confrontational and non-violent. So it allows the aggressive ones--bullies really--the leeway to laugh at us, ignore us, or manipulate us, at will.

And life goes on.

There is a fix but it is hard. It is to be neither passive nor aggressive but assertive. Know who you are and make a commitment to stand up for it.

Behind every Modi who will not be bullied, there is a loyal army of millions of passive-aggressive Hindus who admire Modi and expect him to vicariously feed their aggressive side, but refuse to take any lessons from his example for self-transformation.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 09 Feb 2015 22:10

KLNMurthy wrote:Behind every Modi who will not be bullied, there is a loyal army of millions of passive-aggressive Hindus who admire Modi and expect him to vicariously feed their aggressive side, but refuse to take any lessons from his example for self-transformation.

Well said, KLNji. Plenty of "aggressive" examples in this thread that are blind to exactly the kind of clever (and assertive) posture of the PM -- no yielding without necessarily being confrontational. "Getting the job done" without yielding on basic principles.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 09 Feb 2015 22:47

post deleted for not giving description of link - JE Menon

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 10 Feb 2015 06:41

Looks like Obama has great similarity to CON gandhis

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 10 Feb 2015 07:29

A president has a staff of thousands. And advisors are dime a dozen. This president has few media connections if they need clinton and benghazi there.

All presidential teams will have an order of magnitude more relationships, this is just silly.

ps -- connections in the admin get you in the media, not vice versa.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 11 Feb 2015 00:43

That cr@p by NYT 24/7 on Modi and Hindoos are fascists onlee, is likely led by Meera Kamdar. Of course, she would have been handpicked for that exact role.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/opin ... .html?_r=0

Check out her background
http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/arti ... amdar.html

Another rebel who dislikes Hindus because of her issues with daddy who is a Hindu

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 11 Feb 2015 01:01

Karan M wrote:That cr@p by NYT 24/7 on Modi and Hindoos are fascists onlee, is likely led by Meera Kamdar. Of course, she would have been handpicked for that exact role.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/opin ... .html?_r=0

Check out her background
http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/arti ... amdar.html

Another rebel who dislikes Hindus because of her issues with daddy who is a Hindu

T'is Mira indeed. And she was handpicked.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 11 Feb 2015 17:31

Obama ji. Khem cho? Where are the speeches and gyaan about tolerance etc?

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/0 ... _madi.html

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 11 Feb 2015 17:52

"I'm totally devastated that I might have made a big mistake," said Patel.

Welcome to America, Mr Patel. (sarcasm apart I feel really sad for that family, just a matter of time before a couple of Indians end up getting unnecessarily killed by the brave occifers of the yoooyessay)

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 11 Feb 2015 18:07

We don't say that! We say 'sweet home Alabama!' like in Hollywood movies only.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 11 Feb 2015 18:29

BTW: If anyone here is planning to get their mom and dad to the yoooyess and live in a predominantly white neighborhood (or anywhere in the midwest and the south), please make sure that everyone around the block KNOWS who your father and mother are. Throw a party, organize a garage sale... etc.. but do something so that no one gets scared of the "new non-white" face (aka Boogeyman) and calls the cops.

The ladder of escalation is well known to anyone who has been hanging around in this forum for a while: No-Agression to Yelling (by cops) to Physical abuse (by cops) to Death (by cops). There are usually no steps in between, especially if you have high melanin content in the skin.

Madhusudhan · Post by **Madhusudhan** » 11 Feb 2015 21:55

Martin Luther King would be shocked at the level of racial intolerance in America.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Feb 2015 21:56

X-Post....

A_Gupta wrote:American point of view on AAP win, and what it might mean for India, and for the BJP:
http://blogs.cfr.org/asia/2015/02/10/wh ... -much-yet/

The main impact of the Delhi results on the national level will be felt in the BJP’s response. And that may be very limited on the questions concerning foreign and international economic policy. ....

...
...
Of course, it’s also possible to look closely at the Delhi results in terms less related to Modi’s reforms and more on their campaign and selection of a chief ministerial candidate. They chose Kejriwal’s onetime anti-corruption pal-turned-rival Kiran Bedi, put up at the last minute and apparently uninterested in speaking with reporters trying to cover her. (She lost her own race for an assembly seat.) It’s also possible to see in the elections a repudiation of some of the religious nationalism exhortations that became louder from some of Modi’s supporters during the end of 2014. How the party interprets those results will matter for how it decides to handle the voices from the Vishwa Hindu Parishad and others, important for overall legislative management especially in the upper house of parliament which has increasingly focused on these questions leading to parliamentary gridlock.

So are there any clear implications of the Delhi outcome for how India will approach the international aspects of its budget, due at the end of the month, or how it will consider its role in the world? From this vantage point, not yet. But there will be if the next state-level election (Bihar) produces a similar result, and decisively ruptures the BJP national momentum.

Looks like they have not understood the anger at Ombaba's speeches and NYT interference in the elections.

Also see the last line that tells their hope.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 11 Feb 2015 22:01

On a more constructive note, it would be wise for children to educate their parents on how to behave with US cops. People in India deal very differently with local cops who are not outfitted with mil grade gear and usually have not been bullies in high school.

In NYC a couple of years ago, a cop forced an old Chinese man who could not speak English to the ground and the guy got badly beaten.

http://nypost.com/2014/01/19/cops-beat- ... jaywalked/

Right after September 11, a leftie film director from India in NYC was asked by a cop what they were doing. The director yelled at the cop. Result? take-down and handcuffs.

And increasingly, it's not just the white guys. Just yesterday Peter Liang was indicted (I guess he'd been white, he'd been let off):

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/22/nyreg ... n-man.html

Cops in the US are to be feared. They call non-cops "civilians".

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Feb 2015 22:08

Cosmo_R, The cops act like King George's minions. What happened to the American Revolution?

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 11 Feb 2015 22:09

Religious intolerance growing in land of the free and the home of the brave.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 202308.cms
Three Muslim students killed in US shooting

WASHINGTON: A North Carolina man espousing anti-religious views has been charged with the murders of three Muslim students, including a husband and wife, who were shot to death in the university town of Chapel Hill, police said Wednesday.

The shooter, identified as Craig Stephen Hicks, 46, was being held in Durham County Jail on three counts of first-degree murder, Chapel Hill police said.

The victims were identified as Chapel Hill residents Deah Shaddy Barakat, 23, his wife Yusor Abu-Salha, 21, and her sister Razan Abu-Salha, 19, of Raleigh.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 11 Feb 2015 22:10

If your mom and pop cannot speak English. Give them an "info packet" to carry around. It should have their ID, current address, your contact, your neighbors contact, lawyer's number, passport photocopy etc.

Also tell them to keep hands visible and DO NOT move them suddenly or out of sight, and if the cops start yelling at your parents, they should tell the cops that ID (info packet) is in the pocket. Teach them simple phrases such as : "my ID in my pocket". Most important thing: do NOT put your hands inside your pocket to take out the ID. You have to ask them first and do it SLOWLY. "Can I get ID from Pocket". Such set of phrases are a must, even if they dont know how to say Hello or Thank You.

Also another "rookie" mistake: When you get pulled over, parents may open the door (as if they were trying to negotiate with the cops in India). That move can get your entire family looking at the wrong end of a bunch of remingtons.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 11 Feb 2015 22:27

ramana wrote:Cosmo_R, The cops act like King George's minions. What happened to the American Revolution?

Somewhere along the line the police got militarized and it's still going on. Note the MRAPs and surplus military gear being offered to cops for free. Years ago, in the 1960s and 70s, NYC cops were a less frightening bunch, overweight, out of shape, mooching off local stores. It was the LA cops who looked and acted like storm troopers with aviator glasses, black uniforms and physically menacing. In NYC Ray Kelly is responsible for the behavior of today's city cops. Kelly is the guy who said that NYC has the ability to shoot down aircraft!

Sometimes I fee the NYC cops are just their to keep the village folks (ones with the flaming torches, staves and pitchforks) from rushing the residences of Russian billionaires and others shoveling ill gotten gains into Manhattan real estate. So yeah, somebody's minions, maybe Emperor Bloomberg's.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 11 Feb 2015 22:31

The sad part is, it does not seem to go down. Only keeps increasing with every day. Small town cops in my county have humvees, and APCs with heavy machine guns and high caliber guns.... Who are they fighting against? The Chinese military?

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 11 Feb 2015 22:45

^^ The Koreans saar, like in Red Dawn

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 11 Feb 2015 22:48

LokeshC wrote:Also tell them to keep hands visible and DO NOT move them suddenly or out of sight, and if the cops start yelling at your parents, they should tell the cops that ID (info packet) is in the pocket. Teach them simple phrases such as : "my ID in my pocket". Most important thing: do NOT put your hands inside your pocket to take out the ID. You have to ask them first and do it SLOWLY. "Can I get ID from Pocket". Such set of phrases are a must, even if they dont know how to say Hello or Thank You.

This is a good way to ensure the parents never visit the land of the free. Not that it's a bad idea, at least they would be safer then.

Plus it is not sufficient to just tell the parents to do something, when something happens, they will forget what we told and will go back to doing what they know best - step up and try to help/protect their children, which can go seriously wrong in the US. Have heard of some close calls that sent a chill up my spine.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 11 Feb 2015 22:55

That is scary chapel hill which is home to one of the noted public Universities. ~~And Madison of course home to another noted public university.~~ That police brutality seems to have happened in Alabama .

I was thinking all these days university towns are a little more liberal. I wonder what exactly Uni students are getting now a days. Probably lot of religion/race/gender issues in the guise of political science and sociology/social work/psychology and even English.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 11 Feb 2015 22:57

matrimc wrote:That is scary chapel hill which is home to one of the noted public Universities. And Madison of course home to another noted public university. I was thinking all these days university towns are a little more liberal. I wonder what exactly Uni stednrs are getting now a days. Probably lot of religion in the guise of political science and sociology/social work.

A lot of military bases in NC

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 11 Feb 2015 22:59

The gunman is not your usual religious nut job -- he seems to be anti-religion/atheist, i.e., "liberal", so the killing is not a hate crime based on religion.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 11 Feb 2015 23:10

matrimc wrote:That is scary chapel hill which is home to one of the noted public Universities. And Madison of course home to another noted public university. I was thinking all these days university towns are a little more liberal. I wonder what exactly Uni stednrs are getting now a days. Probably lot of religion in the guise of political science and sociology/social work.

State university towns are historically home to retirees and "white flight". In the past these places were predominantly white, where the top 50-70 state universities are, have now seen a high number of foreign born immigrants in academia as graduate students or faculty. Many of these people are in STEM related fields where income levels are higher and moved in to upper income properties in town. This has caused some grief. Places like Madison, Alabama were probably "Sun Down" cities until the mid 1960s where no colored people were allowed after dark. They were never liberal for the colored person.

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 11 Feb 2015 23:13

Some cops in San Jose make more than 300K. (200K in overtime ).Wtf.

City Of San Jose Employee Compensation 2014

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 11 Feb 2015 23:16

Tuvaluan wrote:The gunman is not your usual religious nut job -- he seems to be anti-religion/atheist, i.e., "liberal", so the killing is not a hate crime based on religion.

I have read that ... and the guy did make some anti-religious rants ... but who cares .. For me Muslims/Sikhs/Hindus getting shot dead is good enough to label it "Religious intolerance in US".

Why should I try understanding the difference hanji? Did POTUS try to understand the complexities of India before shooting off his mouth? Does NYT or WaPo do proper research or invite a counter view before dispensing advice to India?

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 11 Feb 2015 23:38

deleted OT

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 11 Feb 2015 23:45

Edited... ramana

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 12 Feb 2015 00:17

Pres. Obama lectured India about religious freedom. Alabama telegraphed a message of love and peace for people of Indian origin. Sorry about the large image size.
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/0 ... _madi.html

Madison police last week roughed up a 57-year-old Indian citizen who was walking on the sidewalk outside his son's home, leaving the older man temporarily paralyzed and hospitalized with fused vertebrae

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 12 Feb 2015 00:23

Edited....

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Feb 2015 00:27

Rupesh wrote:Some cops in San Jose make more than 300K. (200K in overtime ).Wtf.

City Of San Jose Employee Compensation 2014

And get to retire at full pension at age 50. And police union lobbies against mayor.