Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-2014)

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Feb 2015 10:16

Jordan has said that it has executed two prisoners after the Isis (Islamic State) group released a video purportedly showing a Jordanian pilot being burned alive.

A security official said that an Iraqi would-be suicide bomber on death row, Rishawi, and another jihadist was executed at dawn on Wednesday local time.

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Rishawi was the female they wanted to exchange for the pilot.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Feb 2015 10:53

Death or jail: the cost of leaving the Islamic State - Lori Hinnant and Paul Schemm, AP, Japan Times

TUNIS – The man stands furtively on a street corner near the broad avenue cutting through Tunis, his face masked by a hoodie, his tense eyes scanning the workday crowd for any hint of Islamic State militants.

He was one of them before he left Syria, only a year ago, and he is afraid.

Now he chain-smokes as he describes the indiscriminate killing, the abuse of female recruits, the discomfort of a life where walls were optional and meals were little more than bread and cheese or oil.

“It was totally different from what they said jihad would be like,” said the man, Ghaith, who gave only his first name for fear of being killed.

While foreigners from across the world have joined the Islamic State militant group, some arrive in Iraq or Syria only to find day-to-day life much more austere and violent than they had expected. These disillusioned new recruits soon discover that it is a lot harder to leave than to join.

Even if they escape, they are trapped in limbo, considered a threat by both former comrades-in-arms and their homelands.

Thousands of returnees are now under surveillance or in jail in North Africa and Europe, where they are often held to be terrorists and security risks. They are viewed with even more suspicion after the massacre at the Charlie Hebdo offices in Paris in January, orchestrated by a pair of French-born brothers who were trained by al-Qaida.

“The men who manage to leave Islamic State or al-Nusra have to do so secretly,” said France’s top anti-terrorism judge, Marc Trevidic. “Not everyone who returns is a budding criminal. Not everyone is going to kill — far from it. But it’s probable that there is a small fringe that is capable of just about anything.”

At other times, would-be escapees don’t make it out alive in the first place. Many emirs, or unit leaders, simply order death for those they suspect of disloyalty, according to Islamic State propaganda, analysts and those who have managed to leave.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights says the militant group has killed 120 of its own members in the past six months, most of them foreign fighters hoping to return home. The same propaganda productions that call for skilled recruits in engineering, medicine and finance distribute videos showing the execution of fighters who have strayed.

The Associated Press talked to more than a dozen former fighters, families and lawyers about life in and escape from the Islamic State, many of whom spoke only on condition of anonymity for fear of retribution. Their accounts were similar.

Ghaith went to Syria for jihad to reap what he believed would be the rewards of paradise. But once there, Ghaith said, he was highly disturbed to see female recruits forced into sex in the camps, often “married” for the night by different men.

“It was by force, because they couldn’t say no or they would be killed,” Ghaith said.

Several others described the same phenomenon, all with visible discomfort. Some described arguments in the camps over whether such treatment was permissible under Islam.

Ghaith’s reluctance to participate in killings soon attracted attention. One night, fellow fighters woke him with a knife to the throat and demanded he recite a particular Quranic verse on Islamic warfare to prove his devotion.

Ghaith left the Islamic State by one of the only ways possible — he surrendered to Syrian soldiers while scouting a checkpoint. He was held for four days before being turned over to his parents, who were in Syria along with a delegation of families seeking their children.

Unlike Ghaith, the only way out for Youssef Akkari was death.

Akkari began going to the mosque more after one of his friends drowned. There he fell in with a local band of religious youths who talked to him about religion, war and the evil of Syrian leader Bashar Assad. His brother, Mehdi Akkari, known by his rapper handle DJ Costa, described how Youssef would spend hours in his room listening to religious chants and reading on his laptop.

One day the family received a message from that he was in Turkey and would soon cross over into Syria.

Then Youssef lost his glasses and became useless to the Islamic State as a fighter in Syria, according to his brother. So he was put in charge of preaching jihad to arriving Tunisians, who included doctors, computer experts and even cooks.

The camp was comfortable, with good food, Youssef reported, but the jihadis were a band of criminals who stole cars and belongings from other people’s houses. After seven months Youssef began to plot his escape, along with two brothers.

The brothers never made it. Their commander found out and had them killed immediately.

Youssef got just enough warning to hide out. He turned himself in to Kurdish fighters who took him to Turkey, and ultimately made his way back to Tunisia, his brother said.

But resuming a normal life in Tunisia proved impossible for Youssef, with police harassment on the one hand and his fear of vengeful militants on the other. He returned to Syria and died in an airstrike in October.

The Islamic State militants consider death appropriate for those who try to escape.

“If one leaves the caliphate, you are no longer a Muslim . . . and should be punished,” said Amandla Thomas-Johnson of CAGE UK, which works to reintegrate former extremist fighters in Britain.

The Islamic State group works to prevent recruits from leaving from the time they join.

The first step is the removal of passports and identity documents so that foreign fighters cannot go home freely. Islamic State propaganda videos, for example, have highlighted French fighters burning their passports and leaving infidel life behind.

Another Tunisian recruit, Ali, said he stayed in a camp with about 500 people for two months in the winter of 2013, eating little, bathing less, and following orders to go ambush soldiers in the nearby mountains. Then he was tapped to become a courier between Syria and Tunisia, taking back news, money and propaganda videos to raise more recruits.

After four courier trips in three weeks, he left the group in disgust. On one trip to Tunisia, he simply stayed.

He described his journey while sitting in a public park in Tunis, dropping his voice low if anyone approached. When a man sat near him, he moved to the other side of the park.

“I feel like I was a terrorist, I was shocked by what I did,” Ali said. He had a piece of advice for would-be jihadis: “Go have a drink. Don’t pray. It’s not Islam. Don’t give your life up for nothing.”

The predicament for governments is to figure out whether a recruit is returning home to escape from the Islamic State group or to further spread its ideals and its violence.

France alone has detained 154 returnees and says about 3,000 need surveillance. Britain has arrested 165 returnees, after about 600 went to Syria. And Germany considers about 30 of its 180 returnees extremely dangerous, government figures show.

Imen Triki, a lawyer who represents returnees in Tunisia, says the majority escape because they are dismayed to find reality so different from the high-gloss, HD video version of jihadi life portrayed by in Islamic State propaganda.

“We can say maybe 65 to 70 percent of the people that leave want to return because they find a different situation than what they expected,” Triki said.

However, there is often no way to prove it. After the January attacks in Paris, the government there seems in little mood to give the benefit of the doubt to anyone with ties to al-Qaida or Islamic State militants.

“Deradicalization, deprogramming, it’s not in French culture. (For many in France), they need to be punished. That’s it,{I'm loving it}” said Justice Minister Christian Taubira. “These are the people who can bear witness, who can dissuade others.”

French lawyer Martin Pradel said his client is one of 10 men from Strasbourg who left for Syria last winter after seeing images of victims thought to have been killed by chemical weapons from Assad’s government. The men planned to take up arms on behalf of Syrian civilians, whom they felt were abandoned by the international community, Pradel said.

But they ended up crossing into territory controlled by the group then known as ISIL, which suspected they were spies or enemies. They were jailed for two weeks, and then transferred and locked up again for three weeks. In the process, two of the French recruits died in an ambush.

The men decided to leave, one by one so as not to draw attention. “They left at night, they ran across fields, they practically crept across the border,” Pradel said.

His client surrendered to Turkish authorities. Since he lacked ID, he was taken to the French Embassy for temporary transit papers. In France, he was placed under surveillance for three months and then detained. He remains jailed, along with the others who traveled with him.

The French government accuses the Strasbourg men of running a recruiting ring for extremists, and is deeply suspicious of anyone who claims to have turned away.

It was a similar escape for four Frenchmen from Toulouse, according to their lawyers.

Pierre Dunac, the lawyer for Imad Jjebali, said the men went to Syria in hopes of helping the civilian population. But they ended up in territory taken over by Islamic State and were imprisoned somewhere near the Turkish border for refusing to obey orders. They were awaiting a trial of sorts, which they assumed would end badly.

One day, Dunac said, their jailer gave them their papers. He told them, “I’m going to pray,” and he left them alone right by the door.

“They understood that he was letting them leave,” Dunac said. “Why? It’s astonishing. . . . They themselves didn’t understand why.

Like the young man from Strasbourg, the group surrendered to Turkish soldiers, and the men were deported to France. The men have since turned themselves in, and are in jail facing terrorism charges.

In Tunisia, where close surveillance of 400 returnees is far more common than arrests, Ghaith is now a free man by most measures. But he does not act like one. He neck still bears a scar where his fellow fighters held the knife, a reminder of a life he entered enthusiastically but came to hate.

“It’s not a revolution or jihad,” he said. “It’s a slaughter.”

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 04 Feb 2015 11:42

Guys, can anyone access Swarajya.com? There's an article on Europe's far right in there... It's the second banner article on http://www.swarajyamag.com but I can't seem to access the article itself. It asks for a login, and then when you try to create one it says registration is closed...

OK, it's fixed:

http://swarajyamag.com/world/paris-atta ... far-right/

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 04 Feb 2015 14:12

Muslim Students at Duke Will Begin Chant of Weekly Call-to-Prayer

Members of Duke University’s Muslim Students Association will begin chanting a weekly call-to-prayer from the bell tower of the school’s chapel this Friday, in what one religious expert called a first-of-its-kind development.

The chant, known as the adhan, will be “moderately amplified” from the chapel to alert the community of the weekly Friday prayer service. The Muslim chaplain at Duke Imam Adeel Zeb said in a statement that the call-to-prayer “serves as a reminder to serve our brothers and sisters in humanity.”

At New York University’s Abu Dhabi campus, students are alerted of the call-to-prayer by Al Fajr clocks, which display prayer times and light up when the call-to-prayer is announced. The campus is located on Saadiyat Island where students can no longer properly hear the call-to-prayer broadcast throughout Abu Dhabi. At Emory University in Atlanta, the school’s Muslim Student Association broadcast the adhan throughout the month of February in 2010 during Islamic Awareness Month.

Not everyone is praising the announcement. Franklin Graham, a Christian evangelist and son of famed evangelical and Baptist minister Billy Graham, slammed Duke’s announcement in a Facebook post.

“As Christianity is being excluded from the public square and followers of Islam are raping, butchering, and beheading Christians, Jews, and anyone who doesn’t submit to their Sharia Islamic law, Duke is promoting this in the name of religious pluralism,” Graham wrote. “I call on the donors and alumni to withhold their support from Duke until this policy is reversed.”

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 04 Feb 2015 19:49

Singha Wrote:

TSP had threatened to expedite the hanging of 100s of TTP types lodged in sarkari jails in response to the school attack.
what happened, did it follow through or back out after the usual shouting?

There was also a news item in one of the Russia threads where a Russian muslim was executed and his mother managed smuggle his corpse out of Pakistan with the help of the Russian govt. -- either they are killing quietly or have surrendered and made peace with the TTP.

Knowing the brown pants, surrender monkey history of the Paki army, they may have made tactical peace with the TTP for now.

arun · Post by **arun** » 04 Feb 2015 20:43

Mohammadden religion used as motivation by hundreds to rally in support of a murderer who supports his action as a religion sanctioned killing of a blasphemer in the Islamic republic of Pakistan:

Hundreds rally as Salmaan Taseer's killer appeals

Mohammadden religion used as motivation to incite murder by former Cabinet Minister of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, for the second time:

Bilour offers bounty for Charlie Hebdo owner

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 05 Feb 2015 16:02

Voter fraud. Animal abuse. FGM. Here. In our country.

When will liberal apologists stop making excuses for undemocratic, uncivilised and downright illegal behaviour in Britain?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ntry..html

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 05 Feb 2015 18:22

The Guardian view on Islamic State’s attempt to disrupt the links between the monarchy and Jordan’s tribes

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... s#comments

NOTE THE COMMENT:

hellowayer
"For more than a 100 years, Britain has colluded with radical Islam, highlighting its long-standing preference for Islamist regimes over secular nationalist, communist, or democrat groups. This is just another node in that long history.

The British government promised Arab Islamists led by Hussein a new Caliphate based in Mecca and Medina in 1914, in return for help against the Ottomans. We spent fortunes aiding the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt to combat the threat of secular nationalism there. We spent millions educating and arming the 'taliban' (which literally means 'students') in Madrassas in Pakistan, to ensure a steady supply of zealots we could send into Afghanistan to fight the USSR.

We encouraged Islamist clerics to base themselves in London (including Bin Laden, whose office was in Wembley) in the 1980s, while Thatcher praised the execution of democrat leaders such as Bhutto in Pakistan. We sent Bin Laden's jihadis into South Yemen, then a communist republic, and gave them training centres and weapons there. Here the sole reason why Yemen is now a factory for jihadis, something we still use to our advantage.

Our campaign against Arab secularism has brought down Ghaddafi, Saddam, and we've had our eyes fixed on Assad, the last of them. Meanwhile, we faun over conservative Islamists in Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait.

Is ISIS a case of blowback? I don't think so. It was not even 12 months ago that we were assisting ISIS fighters with training and aid, another node in our policy of supporting Islamist insurgencies against secular groups in the Middle East. Rather than blowback, it's just more opportunism and divide-and-conquer politics.

Like Secretary of State for India, Wood, wrote to Lord Elgin in 1862: "we have maintained our power in India by playing one part against the other and we must continue to do so. Do all you can, therefore, to prevent all from having a common feeling."

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 05 Feb 2015 20:16

I was reading about anti-Sematism in Europe. The rising right, Palestine-centric left and Muslims make up majority of the attacks and out of that total, and amongst these the most attacks are by Muslims. So I was wondering who is to be blamed for this - the one who claims that Jews are bad and who started antisemitism, or the ones who point fingers at Palestine conflict or the ones who are mostly attacking. If two of the three stop doing it, then the remaining one will be exposed but altogether the three make it look legit.

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 08 Feb 2015 14:50

Hey Ishwara .. what did I just see, my eyes are falling apart !!

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 09 Feb 2015 01:10

Islamic radicalization in UK frightening: Prince Charles
LONDON: Britain's Prince Charles has described as "frightening" the growing radicalization of British Muslim youth who have been joining the Islamic State extremists in Syria and Iraq, partly due to "crazy stuff" available on the internet.

The heir to Britain's throne said the radicalization was "one of the greatest worries" that could not be swept "under the carpet" but expressed his hope to build bridges between different faiths in an interview to the BBC broadcast today.

Asked about the radicalization of young people in the UK, Prince Charles said: "Well, of course, this is one of the greatest worries, I think, and the extent to which this is happening is the alarming part. And particularly in a country like ours, where you know the values we hold dear. You think that the people who have come here, (are) born here, go to school here, would imbibe those values and outlooks."

"The frightening part is that people can be so radicalised either through contact with somebody else or through the internet, and the extraordinary amount of crazy stuff which is on the internet," he added.

The prince of Wales — currently in Jordan on a six-day tour of the Middle East — told Radio 2's "Sunday Hour" that he believed part of the reason some young people are radicalized is a "search for adventure and excitement at a particular age".

He arrived in the capital Amman last night and is due to hold talks with King Abdullah II later.

Jordan has carried out three consecutive days of air strikes on the Islamic State targets after the terrorist group released a video showing 26-year-old Jordanian pilot Muath al-Kasaesbeh being burned to death.

Charles said preventing the radicalization of Muslim youth was a "great challenge" and something that could not be swept "under the carpet".

"I particularly wanted to show solidarity really, deep concern for what so many of the eastern Christian churches are going through in the Middle East," he said.

"Christianity was founded in the Middle East which we often forget. From a moral point, I hope it showed they were not forgotten. I wish I could do more. Many of us do wish we could do more. I think what doesn't bear thinking about is people of one faith, a believer, could kill another believer. That's the totally bewildering aspect in our day and age," he added.

The prince's tour will also see him travel to Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates.

The Islamic State (ISIS) spearheaded a sweeping offensive in June that overran large areas north and west of Baghdad. Fearing return of 'radicalized' Islamists equipped in combat operations, Germany introduced a law last month, tightening travel to strife-torn countries like Syria and Iraq.
Cheers

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Feb 2015 20:06

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... visit.html

5-10 hooded gunmen fire at police with Ak- rifles in marseille housing estate.

police seal off area and GIPN CT unit sent onsite.

pix here. france is taking no chances and sending in a huge force
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ed-5131742

The gunmen are thought to have been targeting Pierre-Marie Bourniquel, the local police chief who was due to meet Manuel Valls, the Prime Minister, later today.
this same estate was the birthplace of zinedine zidane!

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 09 Feb 2015 22:02

Stupid Brits waking up now.
How did these idiots ever rule the world??

At least they seem like they are aware of this problem.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 09 Feb 2015 22:11

They ruled the world with the help of heathein pegeins while heaping scorn and brainwashing, while taqiya gang was building toilet inside to drag them in. British are good in bruhaha - virginity tests for Indian brides, generally being supportive of anti-India forces, cuddling upto pakis, etc etc.

As they say, there is no word for karma in English.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 11 Feb 2015 15:24

uring the incident, reported by World Bulletin on Monday, February 9, Muslim imams were forced to brandish the slogan that "our income comes from the CKP not from Allah".

State Chinese news said the imams were gathering in a square in the name of civilization where they were forced to dance and chant out slogans in support of the state.

The slogans included statements glorifying the state over religion such as 'peace of the country gives peace to the soul’.

They also gave speeches telling youth to stay away from mosques, and that the prayer was harmful to their health, encouraging them to dance instead.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Feb 2015 16:10

that white dress and gloves and caps makes them look like workers in a slaughterhouse

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 11 Feb 2015 17:16

Tragedy: Atheist kills 3 young Muslims in Chapel Hill, North Carolina.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn ... n-charged/

PS: since I've posted the above I won't delete it. However this further news-story has arrived:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/11/no ... ee-people/

The murder of three North Carolina college students was motivated by an ongoing dispute over a parking space, despite widespread speculation the victims were targeted by an avowed atheist because of their Muslim faith, police said.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 12 Feb 2015 23:48

This nonsense is supposed to be psy ops against IS and islamists -- I guess this is what happens when naive tools try to do "psychological warfare" and end up doing it on themselves...don't see how any of this is psy-ops to any degree.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2 ... amic-state

This is the short list of these jokers:
1. Call them names
2. Mock their photoshop skills
3. Invite them over with your gun in your hand
4. Impersonate them
5. Dox them (which apparently is slang for metaphorically hide your sausage between islamists buns)

None of the above techniques will either change mindsets and create more people against IS or help degrade the IS's propaganda, so how is any of this psychological warfare against the IS?

The media/journalists actually think the above methods are effective in countering IS propaganda....the only people they are fooling is themselves, it looks like.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 12 Feb 2015 23:57

svenkat wrote:

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They also gave speeches telling youth to stay away from mosques, and that the prayer was harmful to their health, encouraging them to dance instead.

Here's how to sharpen them moves

https://normandthegang.files.wordpress. ... 420x0.jpeg

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 13 Feb 2015 10:19

How can any Muslim country have Miltary relations with China after this, all Leaders of such armies must be tried immediately under the respective country's blasphemy law.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Feb 2015 14:37

Turkey rolls back secular education for 'pious generation'

Posted: Feb 13, 2015 1:16 PM IST
Updated: Feb 13, 2015 2:40 PM IST

(AP Photo/File).

By SUZAN FRASER
Associated Press
ANKARA, Turkey (AP) - Pastor Ahmet Guvener managed to get his daughter, a Christian, an exemption from mandatory religious classes in her Turkish school. But he soon found that the 17-year-old wasn't really off the hook.

As an alternative to the classes at her school in Diyarbakir, in southeast Turkey, she would have to choose from three electives: the life of the Prophet Muhammad, the Quran or basic religious knowledge - or fail the year.

"It seriously damaged my child's psychology," said Guvener, who heads the Protestant Church in Diyarbakir. He accuses the school of deliberately forcing religious education on students - a claim the teachers' union denied.

Turkey has long enshrined the secular ideals of founding father Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, particularly in an education system that until recently banned Islamic headscarves in schools and made schoolchildren begin the day reciting an oath of allegiance to Ataturk's legacy. Now proponents of Turkey's secular traditions claim President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is taking a new path, building a more Islam-focused education system to realize his stated goal of raising "pious generations."

The ruling Islamic-rooted Justice and Development Party insists it is simply heeding the demands of a conservative and pious majority. It says the education measures aim to undo restrictions on religious education that were imposed following Turkey's so-called "soft military coup" of 1997, when the then-powerful military - which saw itself as the guardian of Ataturk's secular principles - pressured an Islamic-led government out of power and moved to close down vocational religious middle schools.

"Education is an ideological tool," said Sakine Esen Yilmaz, secretary-general of the left-leaning Education and Science Laborer's Union. "It is (now) being used to raise an obedient generation that will serve the government."

The government's moves have included loosening the headscarf ban; dramatically increasing the number of religious schools; and ending the school ritual in which students pledged allegiance to secular principles. While it has cited student freedoms in allowing headscarves, it has at the same time banned tattoos, body piercing and dyed hair in schools.

As an indication of possible steps to come, the country's national education advisory council, dominated by a pro-government teacher's union, recommended a series of other controversial measures that included increasing the number of compulsory religious classes from one to two hours per week; lowering the starting age of these classes to 6 from 9; teaching religious values at pre-schools; and removing a class on the preparation of cocktails from vocational tourism schools' curriculum.

One proposal that received particularly strong backing from Erdogan was the introduction of mandatory Ottoman language classes at high schools, although the recommendation was later limited to religious schools. An older version of Turkish written in Arabic script, the Ottoman language all but passed into oblivion after Ataturk introduced the Latin alphabet in 1928 in his quest to anchor Turkey closer to the West. An iconic black-and-white picture shows Ataturk teaching the new Roman script at a school after introducing the reform.

"There are those who are disturbed by our children being taught Ottoman," Erdogan declared. "Whether they want it or not, Ottoman will be learned and be taught."

Government-allied educators say Turkey is returning to its cultural roots.

"In Turkey, the education that was offered was one that was directly opposed to the people's own culture (and) own civilization," said Ali Yalcin, deputy head of the pro-government Egitim Bir-Sen teachers' union, which proposed many of the recommendations.

Last week, thousands of people demonstrated in Istanbul to demand that the secular principles of education be upheld. They urged the government to halt a perceived campaign to impose the Sunni faith and to respect the rights of students from the Alevi Shiite sect that constitutes Turkey's largest religious minority. Thousands of pro-secular and Alevi students and teachers were expected to boycott schools on Friday in protest of the government.

The European Court of Human Rights has ruled that the mandatory religion classes are an affront to Alevi students' religious freedoms. The government insists that the course teaches general knowledge about all faiths - a claim dismissed by critics who say that Sunni teachings still dominate the syllabus.

Critics say that while the government is focused on entrenching religion in schools, it has been ignoring the Turkish education system's serious failings. According to a 2012 Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development report, Turkish students fared poorly in reading, mathematics and science, ranking 44th out of 65 countries.

"The real problems, in the meantime, are being brushed aside," Yilmaz said. "We still have classes of 50-60 students. There are schools that have no labs, libraries or sports halls."

Guvener says the school in Diyarbakir, in offering only three elective religious classes, claimed implausibly that there was no demand for any other electives at the school.

"They said that out of 900 (people), no one asked for math or English as an elective class," Guvener said.

He said that the school eventually offered his daughter an elective astronomy class after he spoke to the media about her case.

Yalcin, of the pro-government teacher's union, denies a deliberate move to force religion on the students through the elective classes.

"The aim is to open the way to elective religious education, in line with the wishes of the people," he said. "There is no question of forcing the classes on students."

Education expert Abbas Guclu, who writes for Milliyet newspaper, argues that increasing religious education may not necessarily lead to a more pious generation.

"It is not possible to control the youth of today," Guclu said. "If they spend three or five hours at school, they spend eight or 10 hours in front of the Internet, the social media or television. For every few hours of religious education they spend hundreds of hours elsewhere, being bombarded by other things."

Mucahit Ceylan in Diyarbakir and Ayse Wieting and Berza Simsek in Istanbul contributed.

Copyright 2015 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

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arun · Post by **arun** » 13 Feb 2015 20:23

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

kish wrote:Gen. Machod Musharaf calls "Hinduism" as anti-human rights, that baastad was invited for "Leadership Summit"

Amaan-ki-Tamasha group get interviews from him.

The army remains deeply suspicious of India, a country that has beaten Pakistan in three conflicts since independence and played a critical role in the secession of Bangladesh from Pakistan in 1971. Musharraf insists he is not an “India hater”, but bristles at what he says is western bias towards Pakistan’s giant neighbour. “‘India is the greatest democracy, promoter of human rights and democratic culture’? All bullshit,” he said. “There is no human rights. The religion itself is anti-human rights. In the rural areas, if even the shadow of an untouchable goes on a pandit, that man can be killed.”

Musharraf: Pakistan and India's backing for 'proxies' in Afghanistan must stop

And in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Mohammaddenism is such that “the religion itself is pro-human rights” so much so that news report of today’s Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden religion inspired sectarian slaughter which saw Mohammaddens of the minority Shia sect at prayer in a Mohammadden place of worship on the day of Mohammadenism’s Sabbath of Friday getting slaughtered by Sunni co-religionists is nothing but a Hindu, Jewish and Christist fabrication to malign Pakistan, Islam, Muslims and Musharraf himself

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Or may be nothing of the above and instead Musharraf will tell us that the demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan at the Hayatabad Mosque / Imambargah in Peshawar was nothing but a demonstration of Mohammaddenism’s pro-human rights ethos that allows suicide by blowing oneself up even in places filled with others worshipping

:

Taliban suicide bomb and shooting attack on Peshawar mosque kills at least 19

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 13 Feb 2015 22:00

Singha wrote:Turkey rolls back secular education for 'pious generation'

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So, at last Turkiye has become truly democratic, forever ending a century of Kemalist oppression. AoA.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 14 Feb 2015 00:31

Aditya_V wrote:How can any Muslim country have Miltary relations with China after this, all Leaders of such armies must be tried immediately under the respective country's blasphemy law.

Lesson for Indians to wield as big Danda as China do and use it in same way.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 14 Feb 2015 00:50

The chapel Hill shooting is interesting in how the islamists and the "moderate muslims" are now using that episode to counter anyone who asks for muslims to consider how Shariat and Islam are at the root of all problems muslims face, but doing a "torn shirt-open fly" retort -- despicable islamist wanker Reza Aslan is actually joined by Jewish fundamentalists in portraying the incident as islamophobia and doing an equal-equal between atheism and islam.

Islam and the Quran actually demand the killing of atheists, so why should atheists not consider Quran-thumping muslims and Shariat-based Islam as a mortal enemy to their person? (same question can be asked by Kafirs and apostates, who are also slated for death in islam).

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 14 Feb 2015 09:41

KLNMurthy wrote:So, at last Turkiye has become truly democratic, forever ending a century of Kemalist oppression. AoA.

So democratic that society is now being cultivated to serve the Government, instead of Govt. serving the society.

"Education is an ideological tool," said Sakine Esen Yilmaz, secretary-general of the left-leaning Education and Science Laborer's Union. "It is (now) being used to raise an obedient generation that will serve the government."

What a democaracy

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 14 Feb 2015 12:17

When Islamists consider all kafirs to be One, that sort of insanity tends to create a 'phobia':

X-post from STFU-P thread:

Indian Urdu Daily from Lucknow, Sahafat, reports:

"China forces Imams to dance; in revenge, 6 Hindus murdered in Sindh."

[See article in bottom half of page]

A couple of days ago this article became news, on Chinese Imams being forced to dance.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 14 Feb 2015 14:25

Worried about Muslims in Britain? Here's the answer

Do you worry about Britain’s growing Muslim population? You’re not alone.

According to the British Social Attitudes (BSA) survey, in 2003, 48 per cent of Britons worried that an increase in the Muslim population would weaken Britain’s national identity. By 2013, that had risen to 62 per cent.

A report from the Muslim Council of Britain this week may sharpen those concerns. Based on Census data, it set out how immigration and a high birth-rate have combined to swell Britain’s population to 2.7 million, around a third of them aged under 15.

Almost every political conversation about British Muslims touches on “integration,” the extent to which they and their socially conservative values fit into an increasingly liberal society. Many people fret about Muslims failing to integrate, leading separate lives in their own insular communities.

So are British Muslims becoming more concentrated in particular areas, or are they spreading out and mingling with the rest of the population? Confusingly, the answer is: both.

But at the same time, some Muslims are moving out of those clusters into more mixed areas. So while Tower Hamlets’ Muslim population grew 19 per cent over the decade to 2011, that is far slower than the UK growth of 75 per cent, or even London’s figure of 35 per cent.

“There are bigger clusters and more mixing at the same time,” according to Manchester University’s Centre on Dynamics of Ethnicity. Its “index of dissimilarity” (a measure of integration) for Muslims fell from 56 per cent in 2001 to 54 per cent in 2011. Sikhs were slightly less integrated (61 per cent) and Hindus slightly more (52 per cent). The situation is improving, but only very slightly.

The reasons that ethnic and religious groups spread out isn’t easily trapped in statistics, but just about every study and analyst agrees that the strongest motivations here are education and employment. Most people who move away from the area where they were raised do so to get qualifications or jobs. The richer and better-educated someone is, the more likely they are to move and mingle, and maybe even inter-marry. To integrate.

Cheers

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 14 Feb 2015 15:21

>>Its “index of dissimilarity” (a measure of integration)

Will be interesting to know what the factors of dissimilarity are, and dissimilarity from what ideal...

arun · Post by **arun** » 14 Feb 2015 15:35

arun wrote: ................ Taliban suicide bomb and shooting attack on Peshawar mosque kills at least 19 .........................

Just for the record that the demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan was clearly a case of Intra-Mohammadden religion motivated bloodletting, news item that Police in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan have pinned Friday Mosque attack on Sunni Mohammadden dominated Taliban rather than the “usual suspects” comprising of Hindus, Jews and Christist Crusaders out to malign Pakistan and Mohammaddenism:

Peshawar mosque attack: FIR registered against TTP leader

arun · Post by **arun** » 15 Feb 2015 13:12

In the UK, Mohammadden family protests that a “Kaafir” Christist is buried in a fully paid for burial plot adjacent to their Mohammadden relative in a Multi-Denominational cemetery and demands that body of Christist be exhumed and buried elsewhere:

Grandfather's body could be exhumed after relatives of Muslim buried alongside complain he was an unbeliever

arun · Post by **arun** » 15 Feb 2015 17:08

Two separate attacks in Copenhagen in Denmark by yet unknown perpetrator/s.

First attack targeted a Café based Free Speech meeting which was organised by Swedish artist Lars Vilks, who has faced several death threats for his controversial caricatures of the Prophet of Mohammaddenism with the body of a Dog and was attended bt the French Ambassador.

Second attack targeted the Central Jewish Synagogue.

Given the nature of the two targets, I will be surprised if these terrorist attacks turn out not to be acts of Mohammadden Terrorism, hence my posting in this thread.

Links to two articles:

Deadly Shooting Kills 1 at Copenhagen Free Speech Event

Volunteer guard killed, two policemen injured in attack on Copenhagen synagogue

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 15 Feb 2015 17:22

Islamic violence in Europe has entered a new phase. The attacks show they are not afraid of security forces. They have safe havens in their no go areas

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 15 Feb 2015 19:56

One of those dead in Copenhagen is film director Finn Norgaard.

....governments cannot tackle this issue effectively without first acknowledging that the faith system on whose behalf (or in whose name) these attacks are carried out explicitly permits, even demands, such actions. Without first acknowledging this reality, and then rejecting such exhortations with clarity, there can be no true forward movement on this issue. No democratic government is prepared to make that acknowledgement for at least two reasons: (1) it will bring into question the secular environment that democratic states swear by, and the principles they uphold; and (2) it will embolden the far right elements in their societies to take a more aggressive stance, which could result in violence between adherents of different faiths.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 15 Feb 2015 20:01

Denmark police staked out his house and killed him 4 hrs later.

arun · Post by **arun** » 15 Feb 2015 20:08

Mohammadden Terrorists run amok in Nigeria.

Damaturu bus station suicide bombed by teen female today:

Female suicide bomber kills 16 in northeast Nigeria

Also today, Kano attacked:

Police Repel Boko Haram Attack in Kano

Yesterday Gombe was attacked:

Troops Repel Boko Haram’s Daring Attack on Gombe

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 15 Feb 2015 20:12

The "academics" in political science seem to play by the playbook of islamic bigots like those in CAIR, and even want to stop using the word jihad and trying really hard NOT to blame the faith system, and these fools in academia are going to be moulding the young minds of tomorrow...setting them up for failure in dealing with islamofascists and their "moderate" muslims supporters (the ones that think it is okay for non believers to die if they speak against islam).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/mon ... -radicals/

This one paragraph shows how these "academics" are working extra hard to not blame the faith and pretend that all faiths are equal when it comes the responses of their followers in the face of criticism of the faith.

Islam is political in nature from its very foundation, and the Quran makes no secret about it. It explicitly calls for followers to treat non-believers as the enemy...which is an explicit political statement, apparently written by Islam's prophet through Allah. In the face of this, we have "academics" splitting hairs about how "jihad" is being misused and why there is no regressive behavior among muslim groups outside of the ones that show up in the international press like the Islamic State.

Concepts like Asef Bayat’s use of “post-Islamism” emerged to capture what he argued was a significant change in Islamist politics in Iran: a form of political Islam that differed significantly from conventional definitions of Islamism as political actors who frame their projects in terms of the implementation of sharia in all aspects of life, including at the government level. Instead, Bayat saw a public that wanted religion to play a central role in public life but that embraced an Islam of pluralism and individuality rather than obedience and duties. When our existing concepts were not doing the heavy lifting, if you will, in capturing particular phenomena, we tried out new ones: quietist, Salafi-jihadi, quiescent jihadi, Wahhabi, Ikhwani, literalist, contextualist, accommodationist, non-accommodationist, centrist, wasati, reformist, revolutionary, conservative, traditional, pro-regime conservative, Islamo-liberal, state Islamism, official Islam, post-Islamism and so on. But despite all this conceptual innovation, the moderate-radical conceptual universe still dominates the discourse.

The way this "academic" defends the inherent barbarism written in Islamic texts is funny, if only to show how worthless these academics are when it comes to the reality of dealing with islamic jihadis and their violence...this "academic" fails to even mention that Saudi Arabia is actually following the Shariat, islamic law, and then says the following with a straight face. She wants to highlight "islamophobia" that results when the brutality of Shariat and Islam is practised in reality, without drawing attention to Islam itself.

But their persistence is also affected by the Islamophobia spreading rapidly if largely outside of the academy – on conservative news and talks shows, by certain think tanks and among a public aware (if not watching) the spectacles of fellow nationals being beheaded. (Beheadings, like many punishments adopted by the Islamic State, are also carried out by the regime of Saudi Arabia, a point not lost on academics but systematically overlooked in the mainstream U.S. media, as if posting a video of the event makes the act itself less barbaric.)

arun · Post by **arun** » 15 Feb 2015 20:25

Calling Mohammaddenism "The Religion Of Peace" could likely get you killed by a Mohammadden Terrorist Group

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Citing “Dabiq”, Mohammadden Terrorist group ISIS’s in-house magazine, Bridget Johnson writing in PJ Media reports that ISIS is pissed off that Mohammaddenism is described as “The Religion of Peace”. Citing “Dabiq”, article says that Mohammadden Terrorist group ISIS claims that only “Deviants” can claim "that Islam equals peace.” Again citing “Dabiq” article says that Mohammadden Terrorist group ISIS questions how “Zanādiqah (heretics)” can “obstinately claim that ‘Islam is a religion of peace’”:

ISIS Upset with Obama, Kerry, ‘Heretics’ for ‘Slogan’ That Islam Is Religion of Peace

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 15 Feb 2015 20:31

This is a good response to all the "moderate" muslims and liberal groups trying to shoot off the shoulders that the Chapel Hill shootings (by labeling it a hate crime against muslims and Islam) by pretending that it exactly like the recent terrorist acts committed by muslims in the name of islam.....clearly the intent is to put non believers and "islamophobes" on the backfoot with such bogus rhetoric.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence- ... 81990.html

Consider the words of one writer in the New Republic when labeling Hicks as a potential hate criminal, saying he "expressed his admiration for Richard Dawkins's The God Delusion and Thomas Paine's The Age of Reason, and condemned "radical" Christianity and Islam alike for their alleged ideological similarities," as if somehow praising reason over ideology is the first step toward violent action.

As Dawkins himself said when he appeared with at the Rally for Reason, held in the Mall in Washington DC several years ago: "I don't despise religious people, I despise what they stand for." Or as another vocal atheist Ricky Gervais said, perhaps more gently, in our film The Unbelievers, which captured Dawkins' remarks as well: "Everyone has a right to believe anything. But I have the right to find that belief ridiculous."

This epithet "new atheism" was started by the "moderate" islamist bigot Reza Aslan (and he even has a tattoo in Hebrew to prove his is "moderate" credentials). Reza Aslan is now the poster boy for all "moderate" muslims and "moderate" christians who seem to think that his rhetorical flourishes and slandering are all good arguments against atheism and its mockery of the idiocy in islam and christianity.

There is a reason for this. In the current world, amongst all religions, it is Islamic fundamentalism that appears to explicitly incite more violent actions than other forms of fundamentalism. Fundamentalist Christians can also commit random acts of violence, including, for example, advocating violence against abortion clinics or abortion doctors, but these do not approach the scale of ISIS or Boko Haram. To argue that somehow Dawkins or the others promote Islamophobia by simply stating this fact about extremism is misrepresent their writing.

arun · Post by **arun** » 15 Feb 2015 20:45

Article “What, it is to be a Muslim in India today?” by Prof. Dr. Rameeza. A. Rasheed described as “a retired professor based in Chennai. She gives lecture on women empowerment”.

The website “Two Circles” on which the article appeared describes itself as “non-profit voice for the marginalized sections of India”, with my reading of “marginalized sections of India” in their case meaning adherents of Mohammaddenism. TwoCircles.net says it is "a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization registered in the state of Massachusetts" in the US :

What, it is to be a Muslim in India today?