Delhi Case Follow-up thread

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 06 Mar 2015 05:14

The BBC was accessory to the sexual abuse of hundreds of children over decades:

Revealed: how Jimmy Savile abused up to 1,000 victims on BBC premises

The BBC will be plunged into a major crisis with the publication of a damning review, expected next month, that will reveal its staff turned a blind eye to the rape and sexual assault of up to 1,000 girls and boys by Jimmy Savile in the corporation's changing rooms and studios.

Dame Janet Smith, a former court of appeal judge, who previously led the inquiry into the murders by Dr Harold Shipman, will say in her report that the true number of victims of Savile's sexual proclivities may never be known but that his behaviour had been recognised by BBC executives who took no action.

Smith's investigations, which followed the Pollard inquiry into why the BBC shelved a Newsnight programme about Savile, will send shockwaves through the corporation.

A source close to the inquiry told the Observer: "The numbers are shocking. Many hundreds and potentially up to 1,000 people were victims of Savile when he was representing the corporation. The report will overshadow Pollard. It will go right to the heart of how Savile was able to get away with the most heinous of crimes under the very noses of BBC staff for more than 40 years."

disha · Post by **disha** » 06 Mar 2015 06:33

eklavya wrote:The BBC was accessory to the sexual abuse of hundreds of children over decades:

Revealed: how Jimmy Savile abused up to 1,000 victims on BBC premises

I think lot of pragmatic heads must have prevailed at BBC for Jimmy Savile to carry out his crimes for 5 decades., get knighted and die with complete honors. It is interesting that a person is honored and after his death the person is dis-honored. What is the point later? The person is dead. Dishonoring will not make a difference to the dead person!!!

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 06 Mar 2015 07:19

Indian orphans sexually abused by Breeteesh paedophile ring

Fury in India as UK judge refuses extradition of convicted British paedophile

Australian pedophile facing possible Goa life sentence

One in 50 priests is a paedophile: Pope Francis says child abuse is 'leprosy' infecting the Catholic Church

British paedophile builds house next to Philippines school 'so he can abuse children'

At least 40 UK politicians complicit in alleged Westminster 'pedophile ring' – report

'Sex slaves are on every street in Britain'

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 06 Mar 2015 07:42

Chandragupta wrote:Dont shoot the messenger, I'm just saying that some people dont find any fault with the rapist's statement about the girl moving around with a boyfriend watching movies at night. And i dont live in a century old place, I live in the capital. Lets not kid ourselves, there is a large number of men that finds it offending if women move around freely and dare to demand equality. This happens in cities and villages alike. You are lucky if you have never ran into such men but I have.

India is a universe of many different communities, classes and regions that have entirely different social mores. So, if what you say is right - it certainly is a VERY SERIOUS social problem. But we need to do more to pinpoint the problem - which region / class / community are we talking about? Do we have data on incidence of criminal offenses in the country by region / class or community ? Do we have a detailed breakup of the prison population in the country ( the US has breakup by religion, race, region for example).

There are quite a few communities in India that would surpass the best in the West when it comes to emphasis on education or income. Typically the communities that exhibit high social capital based on these parameters would also show low incidence of criminal behavior.

The solution to this problem depends on getting the analysis right.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 06 Mar 2015 08:38

disha wrote: Sir, before you advocate pragmatism on the count of GOI., just note that the case is still sub-judice and the perpetrator can ask for a mis-trial since he can say he was misquoted or led to a misquotation and now the world is prejudiced against him. In fact as proof, even his own lawyer is facing suspension for utterances beyond his control.

So given the above line - should GOI advocate that the documentary should be watched?

Are you happy with the way GoI handled it? Just saying its a well thought out minefield by Kangressi goons means jack. Have you seen any GoI spokesperson yelling out loud on all channels from randiTV to Ornob's show to FB and Teetar about the case being sub-judice and that is why BBC was asked not to show it?? Why not? They need to scream that BBC is hindering due legal process and violating laws of the land. Just banning the film will lead people to think GoI wants to hide the true face of India. You cannot roll back that dhimmitude so you have to fight it aggressively. Follow due legal process but also unleash a PR battle on all fronts is what I am saying. That is pragmatism. Perception is everything and the west excels at that. See how piously they undertake extra judicial killings and mass murders, all blessed by presidential decree.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 06 Mar 2015 08:51

Raja Bose wrote: Perception is everything and the west excels at that.

There is no perception problem in India. The public (as well as womens groups) are by and large with GOI.

To the extent these motivated smear campaigns have any effect on tourism into the country, or other strategic relations with the West - the government needs to be concerned.

SSundar · Post by **SSundar** » 06 Mar 2015 08:56

Raja Bose wrote: Are you happy with the way GoI handled it?

Absolutely not happy. Vajpayee faced "Fire". Modi now faces "India's Daughter". They both failed utterly in PR. The West has a well-oiled machinery that excels in campaigns like this.

The Supreme Court can yet save Modi's face by expediting the cases, considering the BBC interview as an un-coerced confession of guilt in a gruesome crime, and affirming the death penalty with a special recommendation to the President of India not to entertain a mercy petition since the public confession leaves no room for mercy.

The Supreme Court can also order the GoI to prosecute every individual who facilitated the public confession because in any other jury-driven legal system, this was a confirmed mistrial. Thank goodness the Judges of India can remain unbiased in the face of 24x7 contamination of the jury pool.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 06 Mar 2015 09:35

Arjun wrote:
Raja Bose wrote: Perception is everything and the west excels at that.
There is no perception problem in India. The public (as well as womens groups) are by and large with GOI.

To the extent these motivated smear campaigns have any effect on tourism into the country, or other strategic relations with the West - the government needs to be concerned.

They do have an effect. It is not about the perception of the public in India. This kind of stuff are used to form a precedence to be used against India during future trade/business/other negotiations - something Modi himself took note of.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 06 Mar 2015 09:45

SSundar wrote: The Supreme Court can also order the GoI to prosecute every individual who facilitated the public confession because in any other jury-driven legal system, this was a confirmed mistrial. Thank goodness the Judges of India can remain unbiased in the face of 24x7 contamination of the jury pool.

Absolutely. First start with that crook Dibang.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Mar 2015 10:10

Raja Bose wrote:
SSundar wrote: The Supreme Court can also order the GoI to prosecute every individual who facilitated the public confession because in any other jury-driven legal system, this was a confirmed mistrial. Thank goodness the Judges of India can remain unbiased in the face of 24x7 contamination of the jury pool.
Absolutely. First start with that crook Dibang.

seems to be a very "upstanding" citizen with many dishonorable mentions in many blogs for his extracurricular activities at the office.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 06 Mar 2015 10:35

Raja Bose wrote:They do have an effect. It is not about the perception of the public in India. This kind of stuff are used to form a precedence to be used against India during future trade/business/other negotiations - something Modi himself took note of.

This is definitely a problem for India's image and soft power internationally...

But is it possible for propaganda to continually win over truth in today's age ? I just don't see that as being sustainable in a world increasingly driven by data.

Consider some basic logic...Indian rape statistics are FAR, FAR lower than the West. The West claims this is due to under-reporting of rapes in India.

Now - if what the West says is right, then shouldn't it be logical that the "cultural" rape problem among Indians would show up in statistics among Indians settled abroad ? India has the second largest number of overseas migrants in the world (25 Million) - so the data points are certainly not unsubstantial. Morover, we have data points from across castes. While the US sees a lot of inward migration from the highest castes, the UK / Canada / Australia see a lot of emigration from middle castes - and historically lower castes / Dalits were taken across as labourers to work by the British in their plantations in Malaysia, Mauritius, Fiji, South Africa....

In each of these places - if I am not wrong, Indians (esp Hindus / Sikhs) tend to far outperform not just Blacks but also local White populations in terms of low incidence of criminal convictions. Rape statistics would probably present a similar picture - but if someone has access to that data that would put an end to this debate once and for all.

I really don't think the truth can be swamped by propaganda for long.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 06 Mar 2015 10:42

When you repeat propaganda long enough, it becomes the truth in people's minds. That is what is happening here. All English social media platforms are owned by primarily US based entities. That is another problem.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 06 Mar 2015 10:44

what is "truth" but perception shaped by propaganda ?

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 06 Mar 2015 11:42

Arjun wrote:
Chandragupta wrote:Irrespective of what anyone thinks of the documentary, lets not forget that there is also an underlying 'class struggle' of some kind. Many people dont find anything wrong when the rapist says the girl deserved to be punished in some way or the other, for watching movie with a boy at night. There are a lot of such people, lets not kid ourselves.
Has that kind of view been at all expressed on any social media platform or TV / radio show or is this a sampling from the circles you move in ? That's quite a strong statement you are making...

No, that is not a strong statement.

However, because a rapists makes this statement does not mean that people who hold such views are closet rapists themselves. If you remove the more outrageous comments made by the defense lawyer, others aspects of girls/women not stepping out of house after sun-set and all that is pretty true. And this is not about only rural areas but in cities as well. Problem here is that we think urban population is equal to liberal population. Not quite right.

And the above statement is about the society which I've seen in the northern belt - Rajasthan to west and UP/Bihar to east.

However, there is an issue which people are missing here:

Indian society is not a homogeneous block but highly fragmented and each such sub-group has its own set of values and definition of morality. This extends to all aspects of society from caste to rights of women. And this heterogeneous society is at various stages of evolution when it comes to their POV on various subjects. Like rights of women in this case. Many of us would've comes across elders in our family who had pretty strict views on how girls/women need to behave or conduct themselves - that does not mean they're potential rapists. They would condemn what happened in case of Nirbhaya (or any other rape) but not hesitate to add in the same breadth that the girl should not have stepped out for movie with a friend.

The stringent view in society on role of girls and women has its main impact on other aspects like education, working etc. But to hold the patriarchal nature of society as responsible for rape 'culture' is wrong; I don't hesitate to add that it confers a superiority complex in men over women and may add to rapes (where rape is used as a weapon to subdue women) but to generalize the whole society basis this is bloody wrong.

And if having 'liberal' views and being 'modern' meant that societies would not have crime against women, then so called modern western societies would not be having the high number of rapes which they do.

disha · Post by **disha** » 06 Mar 2015 11:55

Raja Bose wrote:
disha wrote: Sir, before you advocate pragmatism on the count of GOI., just note that the case is still sub-judice and the perpetrator can ask for a mis-trial since he can say he was misquoted or led to a misquotation and now the world is prejudiced against him. In fact as proof, even his own lawyer is facing suspension for utterances beyond his control.

So given the above line - should GOI advocate that the documentary should be watched?
Are you happy with the way GoI handled it? Just saying its a well thought out minefield by Kangressi goons means jack.

Have you seen any GoI spokesperson yelling out loud on all channels from randiTV to Ornob's show to FB and Teetar about the case being sub-judice and that is why BBC was asked not to show it?? Why not? They need to scream that BBC is hindering due legal process and violating laws of the land.

Just banning the film will lead people to think GoI wants to hide the true face of India. You cannot roll back that dhimmitude so you have to fight it aggressively. Follow due legal process but also unleash a PR battle on all fronts is what I am saying. That is pragmatism. Perception is everything and the west excels at that. See how piously they undertake extra judicial killings and mass murders, all blessed by presidential decree.

RB, Are you making a case that if your way of pragmatism is not followed by GOI - it is a wrong and hence *I* am not happy with the way GOI handled it?

And why GOI should holler from every rooftop? And FB or Teeter? Have not Delhi police published the FIR with all relevant IPC sections violated? Have not the AIR/Doordarshan and the court indicated that no broadcast till the judgement comes? And some of the newspapers did carry that news. And all this information was available on Teeter as well. Only one had to read. Or do you expect GOI to do #mediapimps job? Is that a pragmatic expectation?

I do concede to your point that the west has mastered both the media and the associated technology with it and GOI is reactive and woefully inadequate. Why so? Partly it has to do with culture and partly it has to do with the immaturity of the GOI and partly due to colonized mindset. There could be other reasons.

At the same time, GOI should not become like baki and worry about H&D and spend money or effort behind it. It needs to deliver on governance and that is the only priority for GOI.

Regarding west they can continue what they are doing., it is their citizens who are suffering. GOI should not ape the west. Again GOI should concentrate on Governance and improving and securing the life of the Indians. Rest will fall into place.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 06 Mar 2015 12:17

Will the Nirbhaya case still be heard when Esteemed SC is shut down to enjoy summer Holidays.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 06 Mar 2015 12:19

No, I am asking you if you think the GoI response is adequate and satisfactory?

And why should they holler from the rooftops and dominate the air waves? Becoz of what RahulM wrote above. One needs to control the narrative otherwise somebody else will control it for us and that will become official history, to be used against us in the future.

All this, GoI should focus on governance and rest will fall into place would work in a perfect world but then as we can see, we don't live in a perfect world.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 06 Mar 2015 14:16

Instead of complaining about and banning the video, why can't some Indian media houses do a report on racism in US or the grooming of young girls in UK? Because they are white man's bitches, that's why. In my opinion, the problem is not the video, but the one way street of humiliation and moralising that the western media subjects us to and which Indian media gleefully helps. Could they try this in China? Instead of banning the video and outraging about it, the GoI needs to dismantle this traitorous Indian media.

Added later : and why couldn't the PMO release a statement condemning the vandalising of Hindu temples in the USA quoting Obama's farts in India on religious freedom? Economic growth doesn't mean Modi needs to forget that he has two balls.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 06 Mar 2015 14:39

VikasRaina wrote:Will the Nirbhaya case still be heard when Esteemed SC is shut down to enjoy summer Holidays.

If Nirbhaya case goes on an on, till the current sarkaar moves out, then I would certainly say that Modi & Co has done nothing to improve women's safety. If all the machinery in India cannot move the lawyers, the courts to take up this case in quick time and give the final verdict, then I think they are a big waste. Close all provisions for appeals, send the mercy plea (if any) to President and make sure that his decision is taken on time. And then if the clemency plea is declined, hang these rapists the very next day if possible.

Make no mistake. If these rapists do not get their case finally settled quickly, BBC itself would run another sob story "where a poor rapist languishing in jail for 15 years, not knowing he would be hanged or not". And the human rights champs would use this to get his death sentence commuted.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 06 Mar 2015 14:47

Sachin wrote:If Nirbhaya case goes on an on, till the current sarkaar moves out, then I would certainly say that Modi & Co has done nothing to improve women's safety.

There's this governance concept called Separation of Powers

The Executive's role in internal security is to ensure rape and other violent crime incidents are minimized. The judiciary's role is to deliver verdicts.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 06 Mar 2015 16:35

When you repeat propaganda long enough, it becomes the truth in people's minds. That is what is happening here. All English social media platforms are owned by primarily US based entities. That is another problem.

+100
They have been managing people perceptions and manipulating it successfully for over 50 years. Read Edward Barney's Propaganda. Unfortunately, digital media is making it very easy to further the goal. Indians and Govt is falling prey to their game by constantly be on defensive. Regardless of what happens to this case or movie, the damage has already been done.

member_28722 · Post by **member_28722** » 06 Mar 2015 16:40

rsingh wrote:What about making a documentory about thousends of girls abused by pakis in uk with the help of police and other agencies. It would have been easier to do so for British director?

Can we focus on clearing problems in our own country first?

member_28722 · Post by **member_28722** » 06 Mar 2015 16:49

LokeshC wrote: The video will do no such thing. You and I and maybe some elites in India speak this alien tongue called Brishit English. That is not the native tongue of those involved in the horrible event, neither can it be assumed that they would care for a documentary made in Brishit English. That is the case with a large majority of Indians. We are the outliers in India, and we are disconnected from the larger India precisely due to this language apartheid.

I have not seen the video, but let me make the prediction that this video will propagate every known stereotype about India, adding to it the new stereotype of the "Rapist Indian Male". This is the obsession of the white-skinned society these days, and it is bound to attract drain inspecting types like flies to a sweet.

After watching a couple of shows on BBC, anyone with a couple of functional neurons in his or her brain would realize that BBC (Brishit Bc Chorporation) is upto no good when it comes to India. Neither is any white-skinned person who is in India for "social" reasons. Out of the millions that do come to India for "social" reasons maybe 1 or 2 are truly good souls, the rest are nothing but carriers of pathological western ideals drawing heavily on racial studies. The kind of thought that, if expressed, may result in a call for a psychological evaluation instead of acceptance.

That said, I am all for awareness. However the way to do it is not having some Brishit moron do a documentary and set the narrative for us. We dont have to run the race that is setup by outsiders. We have to set up our own races and run them. This is nothing but an example of agenda setting by mofos in Brishitland and BBC.

The arrogance in advancing the broadcast shows just that. At some point or the other, squeezing Brishit nuts and destroying their agenda setting capability would become imperative for India's development. It is required for true freedom from colonization.

Please hold all the predictions if you haven't even seen the video.
The video should be shown across the country. The perception of people in India towards women crimes should matter to everyone. What the world thinks can come later.
Its baseline cowardice to carpet this video under western conspiracy and technicality, but the cold hard fact is that there are many people in India across religions who believe exactly what a rapist said.
Some more cold hard facts
1. Marital rape still not a crime in India. The other countries who do not have it are hardcore Islamic countries like Saudi, Iran, Pakistan etc ... and China.
2. Over 50% of rape in India still goes unreported
3. Male chauvinism is predominant in India.
These problems are not limited to our country, but I think we should bother about fixing our own problems first instead of conveniently pointing to others

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 06 Mar 2015 16:53

saurabh.mhapsekar wrote:
rsingh wrote:What about making a documentory about thousends of girls abused by pakis in uk with the help of police and other agencies. It would have been easier to do so for British director?
Can we focus on clearing problems in our own country first?

That's exactly what RSingh had suggested of the Brit Director

. Focus on your own country first.

member_28722 · Post by **member_28722** » 06 Mar 2015 17:00

KJo wrote:Even Indian women think that India is horrible for women's safety but the US/UK etc are safe havens. Of course, they don't consider that in the US, they always tend to be upper middle class and live in good neighborhoods with security. If they go to East (?) LA or South side of Chicago or some seedy areas of NYC, it will be different. I think childhood experiences have scarred a lot of Indian women, but they refuse to be balanced about their judgment and start extrapolating to Indian men in general vis a vis the honorable gentlemanly gora.

Are you restricting your definitions of Indian women in US to IT families? There are plenty of Indians who work in rests, retail shops etc . . . they hardly are middle class. Most women who prefer US over India prefer it due to much stronger laws, higher personal freedom and zero cultural pressure. Yes it is a biased view, but it is factual. It would be good if we look at fixing the law and order system in our own country first.

member_28722 · Post by **member_28722** » 06 Mar 2015 17:01

Arjun wrote:That's exactly what RSingh had suggested of the Brit Director . Focus on your own country first.

Since I am an Indian speaking to another Indian, I will choose to focus on problems in my own country before giving sagely advise to a foreigner

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 06 Mar 2015 17:21

saurabh.mhapsekar wrote:1. Marital rape still not a crime in India. The other countries who do not have it are hardcore Islamic countries like Saudi, Iran, Pakistan etc ... and China.
2. Over 50% of rape in India still goes unreported
3. Male chauvinism is predominant in India.
These problems are not limited to our country, but I think we should bother about fixing our own problems first instead of conveniently pointing to others

Job for you, Saurabh.

Take out marital rape figures from the US rape statistics (so our comparison is apples-to-apples). Double (or even triple) the rate statistics that you have for India.

Which country do you see having a worse problem ? Do the same comparison of India rape stats with other major Western countries.

The result of this exercise should tell you whether you need to be critical of Indian law enforcement and Indian familial culture, or whether you should be actually lauding it.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 06 Mar 2015 17:35

BBC is trying to justify rape. Its a channel that's always with criminals and Jihadis. A channel that calls terrorists as militants. A channel that's solidly behind Jihadi terrorists. A channel that dont value humanity and always is with criminal elements justifying their acts. That's BBC.
This time they want to tell it's ok and normal to be a rapist. And by doing the interview they want to be the mouthpiece of rapists and give them voice.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 06 Mar 2015 17:38

The adoption of British laws is still the reason that rapists gets all the options to escape from the clutches of the law. There need to be a separate law and on found guilty the rapist be immediately hanged without the delay process of bureaucracy.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Mar 2015 18:08

saurabh.mhapsekar wrote:Please hold all the predictions if you haven't even seen the video.
The video should be shown across the country. The perception of people in India towards women crimes should matter to everyone. What the world thinks can come later.
Its baseline cowardice to carpet this video under western conspiracy and technicality, but the cold hard fact is that there are many people in India across religions who believe exactly what a rapist said.
Some more cold hard facts
1. Marital rape still not a crime in India. The other countries who do not have it are hardcore Islamic countries like Saudi, Iran, Pakistan etc ... and China.
2. Over 50% of rape in India still goes unreported
3. Male chauvinism is predominant in India.

Some more cold hard facts
https://rainn.org/statistics
* Fully 68% of rapes go unreported in US
* 98% rapist will never spend a day in jail or prison (i.e. US rape conviction is a 2%)
If Male chauvinism is responsible for rape then chauvinism must be 10+x in US going by Rape stats taking similar under reporting into account.

These problems are not limited to our country, but I think we should bother about fixing our own problems first instead of conveniently pointing to others

This is exactly what bothers me too. Instead of fixing their problem of 10+x higher rape rate in US with about the same rate of under-reporting and much *lesser* conviction rate, they are conveniently pointing to others.

Why should a gender inequality and sexual violence against women campaign launched in US kick off with a docu on India when there are 10+x subject material available in US equally vulgar? How about "rape is one of the perks of the job" US docu?

If rape as a worldwide issue is sought to be highlighted in UK and US using a example from foreign country shouldn't we too follow their model and show across India docu made on foreign rapes e.g US or UK rapes? I vote for "rape is one of the perks of the job" US docu to be the first on the Indian network or how about a docu on Todd "Legitimate rape" Akin?

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Mar 2015 18:35

Ok just found the latest docu per RAINN network. I switch my vote to this one being the first on Indian TV.

“The Hunting Ground” Brings Campus Assaults to the Big Screen. How about getting it on Indian TV to let Indian parents know the *hunting* that goes on in US campus.

Should parents be made aware of the risk of sending their children to a country that carries 10+x risk of rape as compared to India? Over and above that the campus rape rate is such that even Ombaba had called it an epidemic or some such.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 06 Mar 2015 18:48

Women are objectified in all cultures from time immemorial. Probably Indiics were at the forefront in treating women as intellectual equals to men. Most famous example was that yagnyavalkya a and maitreyi. Srikrishna and Satyabhama and do several stories from epics and puaranas.

In the US too parents - not just PIO parents but all parents - of college going women constantly worry about rape - especially date rape. Both sons and daughters are told to put their heads down and study, not to go out by themselves only in a group etc. This is by everyone - black, white, latino, east asians, Indians, Bangladeshis, Palestinians, Jewish every body. (I purposefully mixed religions, races, ethnicities, origin because this is a universal concern). So Indian parents in India cautioning their daughters is not patriarchy, it is simply a recognition that it is better to be safe than sorry.

Which parent wants their progeny to smoke, do drugs, or be irresponsible with alcohol, or spend late night in bars/discos? Nobody willingly lets his/her children engage in underage drinking or smoking.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 06 Mar 2015 21:25

pankajs wrote:Ok just found the latest docu per RAINN network. I switch my vote to this one being the first on Indian TV.

“The Hunting Ground” Brings Campus Assaults to the Big Screen. How about getting it on Indian TV to let Indian parents know the *hunting* that goes on in US campus.

Should parents be made aware of the risk of sending their children to a country that carries 10+x risk of rape as compared to India? Over and above that the campus rape rate is such that even Ombaba had called it an epidemic or some such.

Amongst mny questions, one we need to ask as well is how can this occur in America at all, since it is already a first world and superpower country? NRIs need to be much more aware about local law and order situation.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 06 Mar 2015 21:34

saurabh.mhapsekar wrote:
KJo wrote:Even Indian women think that India is horrible for women's safety but the US/UK etc are safe havens. Of course, they don't consider that in the US, they always tend to be upper middle class and live in good neighborhoods with security. If they go to East (?) LA or South side of Chicago or some seedy areas of NYC, it will be different. I think childhood experiences have scarred a lot of Indian women, but they refuse to be balanced about their judgment and start extrapolating to Indian men in general vis a vis the honorable gentlemanly gora.
Are you restricting your definitions of Indian women in US to IT families? There are plenty of Indians who work in rests, retail shops etc . . . they hardly are middle class. Most women who prefer US over India prefer it due to much stronger laws, higher personal freedom and zero cultural pressure. Yes it is a biased view, but it is factual. It would be good if we look at fixing the law and order system in our own country first.

I am talking about the women in the US who say "Indian man h0rnee creep, gora all gentlemanly onlee". My circle is mainly upper middle class and middle class in a good safe area. The women who live here have no idea about living in bad apartments and seedy locations because they married some fellow who went through the difficulties, got a job, moved into a good apartment and then got married. My wife is like that too, she never lived in my sheety madrassa apartment with huge rats living under the sink and roaches in my cereal box (which I would flick away before pouring out

). They have only met smooth talking educated goras at work and have formed the notion that all are like that. Add that with typical Indian inferiority complex and adulation for gora skin.

Stronger laws are in good area. You go to souside of cheecaago or East LA and see how strong the laws are.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 06 Mar 2015 22:04

pankajs wrote:Ok just found the latest docu per RAINN network. I switch my vote to this one being the first on Indian TV.

“The Hunting Ground” Brings Campus Assaults to the Big Screen. How about getting it on Indian TV to let Indian parents know the *hunting* that goes on in US campus.

Should parents be made aware of the risk of sending their children to a country that carries 10+x risk of rape as compared to India? Over and above that the campus rape rate is such that even Ombaba had called it an epidemic or some such.

Who will bell the cat?
Indians in India are still glamorized by big skyscrapers in the US and gori chamdi. You see that in all Indian movies. American movies about India are all about weird customs, poverty, snakecharmers and caste system and now about how women are treated like crap.

No Indian film maker will make a film about the dark side of the US. No balls.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Mar 2015 22:10

Just get permission to telecast in India on DD. Shouldn't be an issue in US in the name of spreading the message on this worldwide issue. I am not being sarcastic here.

While you are at it get the docu abt "rape is one of the perks of the job" from ABC too. Telecast it in full without any edits and then put the "rape is one of the perks of the job" in loop and add some mirch masala about 10+x rapes in US, lower conviction rates, the girl lugging her bed around as a mark of protest, etc. Throw in a book thumper or two like Todd "Legitimate rape" Akin who can talk about god, the book and rape in a single sentence.

Invite a bunch of morons and have them vent for days together. That's what the BBC has planned so follow their script except for the content.

disha · Post by **disha** » 07 Mar 2015 00:24

RB, to your direct question - my direct answer - Yes., I am satisfied (and happy) with the Govt. response so far. They have only "law will take its course" route and I have full faith in Modi Sarkar that "law will be made to take its course" and no "pragmatic" moves by CONgoons.

Second., regarding refutation of "Indian society" as a sick society., it is not GOI's job. GOI is not a spokesperson of "Indian Society" and neither mandated to do so. Indian Society has to stand up for itself. It has to come to the point that it can say -yes, we have warts - yes we are sick - and guess what we are working on it *unlike* the other societies.

KJo, you are correct in your assessment of the chi-chi-wimmen's club who think of Desi males as subaltern. Desi culture itself as subaltern. There are ways to make them quiet which can be taken up in L&M thread.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Mar 2015 06:05

Can we list the approval chain in India with dates to how the documentary got permission to interview the murderer?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Mar 2015 09:55

First get those lawyers debarred by Bar Council for repugnant remarks unbecoming of profession. Next go through the chain of approvals in MHA and jail system including politicians.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Mar 2015 10:16

ramana wrote:First get those lawyers debarred by Bar Council for repugnant remarks unbecoming of profession. Next go through the chain of approvals in MHA and jail system including politicians.

Those lawyers have been paid to speak like that. No legal moron would take such a position publicly knowing the speech to be against morality and laws. Both are ugly, ill spoken and disreputable. This is the impression that they (BBC) have deliberately exploited

The two scum lawyers may not have fully gamed the (hopefully) disbarring by the Bar Council. This will hit their livelihood right in the testimonials.