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http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/0 ... Rn8VPnF9qW
India interested in buying Japan’s Soryu-class submarines
NEW DELHI – Indian Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar has expressed his readiness to consider acquiring Soryu-class diesel-electric submarines used by the Maritime Self-Defense Force.
“We are very much interested in Japan’s technologies,” Parrikar said in an exclusive interview ahead of his visit to Japan from Monday.The issue may be taken up at his meeting with Defense Minister Gen Nakatani the same day, according to Parrikar. “Everything is on agenda. We can discuss that issue,” he said Saturday.India’s navy has a fleet of 15 submarines, but more than half are not equipped to respond quickly to contingencies due to aging. In view of the growing activity of Chinese submarines in the Indian Ocean, New Delhi has put a high priority on arms buildup to strengthen maritime security.Japan’s Soryu-class submarines are seen as among the most advanced nonnuclear attack submarines in the world.Parrikar noted that Japan had strict regulations on the export of defense technologies but that the rules are changing. “We are looking at all kinds of defense cooperation with Japan in all fields,” he said, signaling intention to acquire Soryu-class submarines if the amended conditions are met.Australia is also in talks with Japan on buying Soryu-class submarines.In the interview, Parrikar suggested that India is not likely to make a decision anytime soon on whether to purchase US-2 amphibious rescue aircraft used by the MSDF. Tokyo and New Delhi are holding talks on the export of US-2 aircraft to India and a possible joint venture to produce them on Indian soil.“It will not be decided in Tokyo,” Parrikar said. “I have directed the (Indian) Navy and Coast Guard to come up with a clear-cut report on their operational necessities. First we need to define details.“Without that report, we cannot go forward,” he said.
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I think Parrikar is settling in

He is questioning the services "wet dream" lists and making them justify.

I have not been convinced this US 2 is a priority

same with the Avro replacement
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A blast from the past
from the Iran-Iraq war



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+1...US 2 may be good fit for Japans geographic necessity, but I am having a hard time understanding it's need in our context.
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I think that the cost factor is a main worry and setting up a local prod. line for so few.There are cheaper alternatives if it is just for SAR. However,3-4 US-2 amphibs would not be amiss as we have not a single amphib which is a sore necessity for the IN/CG.

The Juan Carlos amhib vessels would be a better option for the IN,they have more flexibility,can carry larger qtys. of troops,vehicles,etc,plus have STOVL capability too with a ski-jump. Since the vessels will be built at home,like what Oz is doing,then they should be built at lesser cost than if they were imported.At least 2 can be given to a pvt. yard.
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If the sole purpose of US-2 is SAR, then we can do without it.There has to be a tanker, EW, ASW variant to justify the cost of adding a new type and class of aircraft to the inventory. And it should be exclusively for the Navy given the range and impact of this aircraft.

Added later. This cessna operates from Juhu. Can it land on sea?

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The decision to renovate/upgrade 10 old KA-28ASW helos acquired in the '80s is welcome news. Simply because every helo is an asset,why I wish that the MI-26s that the IAF possesses are also modernized into MI-26Ts. The IN is desperately short of ASW helos and these helos would help plug the yawning gap until new helos are chosen in the mega helo deal where over 100 ASW 10t+ multi-role helos are required. These 10 Kamovs would operate from the Russian origin DDGs and FFGs.Additional KA-31 AEW variants are also supposed to be on the anvil for use aboard the IAC-1 and the Vik-A.

The news that INS Viraat would also be scrapped like the Vikrant is bad news.We MUST do everything to save her and convert her into a museum.She is an historic ship which helped in a major way win the Falklands War for the UK,apart for serving the IN for decades. WE can't afford to lose another carrier to the breaking yard.

More news about the German gambit to sell us U-baots for the P-75I programme.
http://www.brahmand.com/news/German-fir ... /1/10.html
NEW DELHI (PTI): Eyeing the Rs 50,000 crore project of Indian Navy for six submarines, German defence major TKMS will offer India its HDW Class 214 vessel and is in talks with leading shipyards in the country for a tie-up.

The Germans are also promising a no-hold barred transfer of technology in line with the Narendra Modi government's 'Make in India' push.

"The Indian Defence Ministry is expected to issue the P-75I RFP for which we are planning to offer the Type 214 submarine, which combines best-in-class underwater endurance and diving depth," Gurnad Sodhi, Managing Director of Thyssen Krupp Marine Systems (TKMS) (India) said.

Claiming that the submarine is highly regarded for anti-surface and anti-submarine operations, intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance capabilities, Sodhi said the HDW Class 214's "proven" fuel-cell based Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) system is the best available on the market.

While conventional diesel-electric submarines have to surface every few days to get oxygen to recharge their batteries, AIP systems will help the submarines to stay submerged for longer periods.

Apart from AIP, India wants advanced detection range, combat management systems and better sensors for optimum performance on the new submarines. The weapon system would be a mix of torpedoes and missiles.

The Request for Information for the P-75I was issued in 2008 and the company has been regularly interacting with the MoD and Indian Navy.

"Since the Indian Navy has been our customers for over 30 years, we have established a strong working relationship with them and are in a position to fully satisfy their requirements. Virtually, no shipyard in the world has more experience in designing and constructing conventional submarines than TKMS Business Unit HDW," Sodhi told PTI.

Asked if the company has shortlisted any Indian shipyard for a tie-up, Sodhi said discussions are on and the group is awaiting the report of the special committee set up by the Defence Ministry.

Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar had set up a special committee for the project to identify the shipyards in the country that have the capability and the capacity to build the six submarines. These shipyards will then tie-up with a foreign firm.

Besides the public shipyards, the private players include L&T and Pipavav, in which Anil Ambani-led Reliance group has bought controlling stake.

The committee is expected to submit the report soon.

"We will commence detailed negotiations with the shortlisted shipyard(s), public or private," he said. He said the company was committed to the 'Make- and Made-in-India's policy'".

"This would encompass robust transfer of technology, training, meeting the offset obligations among others. TKMS is willing to bring its expertise in cutting-edge areas to India and co-develop solutions with local partners to meet the country's needs," he said.

He said the company's proven local manufacturing concepts will aid technology absorption by Indian partner shipyards and enable them to deliver a customised Type 214 submarine in the shortest possible time to India.

India currently operates four HDW Type 209 submarines and the first was inducted way back in 1986.

"The very fact that INS Shalki and Shankul were made in India by an Indian Shipyard under a technology transfer agreement is proof that TKMS has been supporting India's indigenous defence industry for over a quarter of a century," he said.
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Why US2 for naval aviation?

Indian Tu-142 and P-8 are patrolling afar from Indian shores these days. In addition, fighters based out of Andamans are patrolling more further in Indian Ocean as are Sukhois into the Arabian Sea from Pune.

In the event such planes meet with an accident at sea, helicopters will lack range to reach the last known position and ships will take days to reach. The US- 2 will offer speed and range for such missions. And it can land for SAR unlike other aircraft.

The US-2 is the “only” rescue option for USAF and JSDF aircraft operating in the Pacific.

The Japanese don’t publicize it but its PS version had a weapons bay for torpedoes, plus full sensor fit including a radar in the nose. We can plug in the torpedo bay from PS version.

The engines are C-130J engines common with IAF Hercules.

Aerodynamically, it has a boundary layer control system powered by helicopter gas turbine, directs exhaust from aircraft engine over wings to create more lift, and a system to suppress wave spray during landing & takeoff.

It can also carry a good payload to resupply ships / submarines at sea. Like repair components for radar/sonar.

Net, net, a good buy for Medium Range Maritime Reconnaissance requirement.
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^^ my new IN fantasy is to purchase US-2 with a modified Japanese whaling ship - to stow the plane while not in use and follow the naval task group :)
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Why is preserving Viraat so important. Unlike Vikrant it has never played a significant role in IN operations (71 or otherwise). Its historical significance is only for RN. I couldn't care less what happened to it. The first Indian made carrier is the new Vikrant and that must be preserved.
The US-2 is a good craft but will we have the capability to plug in Radar (XV-2004) and LWT's on them? Or will the Japanese need a NOC from their massa?
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We have no maritime museum whatsoever,barring an ex-Foxtrot on Vizag beach.Look at the US,UK,etc.They have wonderful maritime museums,apart from preserving warships and subs The Viraat served us very well for approx 25 years. This is a great opportunity to use the warship as such.It just requires pride and vision from the GOI.Converting the ship into a museum is the least of tasks.It will pay for itself. One excellent example to follow is the Royal Yacht Britannia,now a floating museum at Leith Edinburgh. A.v.popular tourist attraction and used for conferences.corporate events too. It would be best based at Goa or Cochin.If a campaign is started now,it can be achieved. lastly,if we are so indifferent to our maritime heritage,we could offer it to the Brits. They might want it for the same purpose.A "Falklands museum".
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INS sumitra, the fourth Saryu class ship was in yemen last night picking up indians

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/n ... men/361875
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Decent fleet of LPDs would be really useful for these kind of evacs. We need them now!
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This is where a few Ro-Ros too would've been perfect.Used all over Europe for passenger ferries,in times of crisis they can be used for transporting troops and armoured vehicles,etc. Used as ferries on either coast of India,Ro-Ros woulkd be the cheapest method of transporting passengers and vehicles and would save considerable time too without road bottlenecks.Imagine if we had ferries running from Cal to Orissa/Vizag/Madras/A&N islands along the east coast and from Gujarat/Bombay to Goa/Cochin/Lakshadweep/Colombo on the west coast. Britain has its STUFT (Ships Taken Up From Trade) policy during a crisis,put into practice v.successfully during the Falklands War. Of course the amphibs too would've been great,the current Yemen crisis reason enough to accelerate the programme apart from the security requirements.
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PM Modi's France visit: India to discuss sharing of coastal surveillance radars in the Indian Ocean
NEW DELHI: India and France are expected to firm up discussions on sharing of radars in the Indian Ocean as part of the strategic talks during PM Narendra Modi's visit to Paris next week.

While India is setting up a grid of coastal surveillance radars in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) that will enable it to monitor, among other things, the increasing Chinese presence in the area, France has expressed interest in sharing data from surveillance systems on its Indian Ocean territories, it is learnt.

As part of bilateral discussions during the PM's visit, the modalities of sharing maritime domain awareness data from at least three French monitoring sites in the Indian Ocean is set to be on the agenda. French territories in the region include the Reunion Islands and Mayotte, besides military bases in UAE and Djibouti.

It is learnt that the Indian Navy is keen on the French proposal and has recommended that it be added to an ambitious plan to set up a 24-nation radar grid in IOR to monitor all traffic - civilian and military. The 24 nation plan - which is currently pending a formal clearance from the Cabinet Committee on Security - looks at integrating radars from most littorals of the region with the Indian coastal radar chain.

As part of the plan, India could also lend financial aid to littoral nations for setting up radars. In the future, surveillance data from other military sites, including the American base at Diego Garcia, could be integrated.

As reported by ET, a Rs 600-crore project to set up a Coastal Surveillance Radar System in the Indian Ocean is underway as part of New Delhi's plans to increase maritime domain awareness in the wake of the 26/11 Mumbai attack.

While coastal surveillance radars have been set up in Sri Lanka (6), Mauritius (8) and Seychelles (1), ten radars that have to come up in Maldives have hit a block due to political uncertainty that led to the cancellation of Modi's visit to Male last month.

The moves come even as China has turned more active in IOR and has been attempting to expand its footprints in India's extended neighbourhood as part of the grand Maritime Silk Route launched last year, according to experts. Besides Beijing wants to safeguard the sea lanes of communication through which its trade passes amid growing incidents of piracy along Africa's eastern coast. Seychelles has been viewed by China as a possible replenishment port for navy ships taking part in anti-piracy operations in the region.
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In time, when our power increases, we would need to think (and ask) about why the French need to be in IOR?
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LokeshC wrote:In time, when our power increases, we would need to think (and ask) about why the French need to be in IOR?
China is going to be in the Indian Ocean for a very long time (decades, centuries?). India will have difficulty taking on China alone, based on the present day balance of power (economic and military). It will be good for India if Western powers and Japan hang around the Indian Ocean.
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China cant even control south china sea. Forget operating for long in IOR.
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Besides, why always assume that the PLAN will have superiority over Indian navy. That too when operating in the IOR. If the economy improves, then we can be sure that by 2030s, India will be looking to build a large navy that would be able to deal with the PLAN on its own.

OTOH, even if the IN cant beat the PLAN, it can still damage the PLAN. Whereas, the PLAN will still need to contend with the Koreans & Japan + the US. So don't think that the PLAN can just dominate the IOR for any length of time with impunity.
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In time, when our power increases, we would need to think (and ask) about why the French need to be in IOR?
Same reason we would need to be in the Pacific a few decades from now.
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France has many ex-French colonies in Africa."Francophone" nations, and maintains v.close relations with them. In addition,they also have a few island territories dotted in the world's oceans like Reunion island off the coast of Madagascar with a population of 800,000 of mixed decsnet from France,Creole,India,China,etc
When you consider the strong French flavor also prevalent in nearby Ile Maurice (Mauritius),where the ethnic Indian population are predominant,but where there are also v.strong ties to France,then such arrangements would be mutually beneficial to both nations.
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Philip wrote:We have no maritime museum whatsoever,barring an ex-Foxtrot on Vizag beach.Look at the US,UK,etc.They have wonderful maritime museums,apart from preserving warships and subs The Viraat served us very well for approx 25 years. This is a great opportunity to use the warship as such.It just requires pride and vision from the GOI.Converting the ship into a museum is the least of tasks.It will pay for itself. One excellent example to follow is the Royal Yacht Britannia,now a floating museum at Leith Edinburgh. A.v.popular tourist attraction and used for conferences.corporate events too. It would be best based at Goa or Cochin.If a campaign is started now,it can be achieved. lastly,if we are so indifferent to our maritime heritage,we could offer it to the Brits. They might want it for the same purpose.A "Falklands museum".
There is one more in Karwar. One of the Osa class boat is kept there. A small documentary on operation trident is shown on board. its really nice to visit the ship.
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There was one in Essel World Mumbai. It was a missile boat, ex-INS Prabal.
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L&T OPV for the Indian Coast Guard. Very similar configuration to GSL's Saryu class. I like the two CRN-91 mounts covering the stern.

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Aditya G wrote:Pipavav OPV. Looks like a mini talwar class.

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There was a news item that they secured an export order for a "west african" nation. Whatever happened to that?
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CRN-91? That looks like Ak-630's same as Saryu's.
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The Pip OPV design looks better.There is more continuous free deck on the beams ,and the possibility that TTs could be added if the boats/ribs are raised higher,with TTs below.There is also space behind the main gun at "Y" position for either an ASW MBU mount or for VLS silos for SSMs/SAMs. The L&T OPV has little room for improvement and looks overstuffed.

Yes,I forgot about the missile boat.However,these are not full-fledged national museums but preservation of individual warships,of which many exist worldwide. There is no museum that traces our huge maritime history from Lothal,(Lord Krishna's ) Dwarka,Poompuhar to the present day.Check out this U-tube feature by eminent archaeo-historian Graham Hancock.An absolute revelation. We need a truly magnificent maritime museum that celebrates India's glorious maritime heritage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7GWn5Hba9g
Expedition to Poompuhar - Remains of Kumari Kandam - Graham Hancock Underworld E02 (2002)
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The Pipavav OPV is probably larger ... 100m+, that probably explains the availability of free deck. But the point holds true even if compared to Saryu class. There is seemingly no scope to "pimp it" with additional armaments in the future.

L&T could have been more innovative .. something like L'Adroit perhaps.
Bheeshma wrote:CRN-91? That looks like Ak-630's same as Saryu's.
It is a coast guard ship, so no Cwiz. Three guns will still make it the most armed ship in ICG. Only a couple of OPVs have 2 x CRN-91s in "super" configuration.
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Pak's latest move to acquire 8 Chinese subs. Even more urgency for the IN to beef up its sub strength with both numbers and capability.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/paki ... 26922.html

Pakistan close to buying eight Chinese submarines: Reports
Reuters Islamabad/Beijing, April 2, 2015
Pakistan is close to agreeing a multi-billion dollar deal to buy eight submarines from China, the Financial Times reported on Thursday, in what would be one of China's largest overseas weapons sales. The decision had been agreed "in principle", the newspaper said, citing a hearing in the Pakistani parliament's defence committee. Pakistani newspaper the Dawn said negotiations with China were at an advanced stage.

Pakistani defence officials could not immediately be reached for comment. China's Ministry of Defence declined to comment. A former senior Pakistan navy officer with knowledge of the negotiations told the Financial Times the contract could be worth $4 billion to $5 billion.

It was unclear what type of submarine Pakistan was looking to buy but China has poured resources into developing diesel and nuclear powered submarines in recent years. China and Pakistan call each other "all-weather friends" and their close ties have been underpinned by long-standing wariness of their common neighbour, India, and a desire to hedge against US influence across the region.

President Xi Jinping will travel to Pakistan this month, the government in Islamabad has said. China has said Xi would visit this year but given no timeframe. China is Pakistan's top supplier of weapons, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), which tracks global arms sales, selling 51 percent of the weapons Islamabad imported in 2010-2014
China has also surpassed Germany to become the world's third largest arms exporter, SIPRI said in a report last month. Little is known about China's arms exports because the country does not publish data on such sales.

A senior Pakistani government official, Muhammad Saleem Sethi, would leave for China on Thursday where the submarine deal was expected to be discussed, the Dawn newspaper said. The Pakistan navy was also in touch with Germany, Britain and France about the possible purchase of used submarines, the Dawn quoted officials as telling the defence committee.

A top US Navy admiral said in February that though they were technologically inferior, China's submarine fleet now outnumbered that of the US navy.
PS:The Paki search for used Western subs shows the value of old subs,which if properly examined may have significant life in them after modernization. Our 4-209/1500 U-boats should be upgraded to as much as poss,the latest U-212/214 stds. The Kilos are all receiving upgrades,so what is needed is both a short term and long term solution for the IN's decline in fleet strength.
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U.S. says would back India buying U.S. aircraft carrier technology
The U.S. government would support selling General Atomics' electromagnetic launching system for aircraft carriers, and other key technologies, to India, the Pentagon's chief weapons buyer told Reuters on Friday.

Defense Undersecretary Frank Kendall, who heads a joint U.S.-India defence trade and technology effort, said he was optimistic about the two countries' efforts to cooperate on a planned aircraft carrier for India.

"I'm optimistic about cooperating with them on that," Kendall told Reuters in an interview, when asked about the possibility of India acquiring the Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS) built by privately held General Atomics, which is based in San Diego, California.

"They’re going to have to make their own decision about what technology they want, but I don't see any fundamental obstacles to them acquiring some of our carrier technologies, if they want them," he said.

India wants to use state-of-the-art U.S. technology to boost the range and potency of a planned aircraft carrier, in a move that would deepen cooperation between both countries and counter China's military influence in the region.

General Atomics, which has also proposed selling the system to Brazil, says selling the system to foreign countries could help lower the cost of installing the system on the new Gerald R. Ford class of U.S. Navy aircraft carriers being built by Huntington Ingalls Industries Inc .

The new system helps jets launch off a flat deck at a faster rate and with less fatigue to the aircraft.

Kendall said the issue would be addressed by a new working group that is being set up by the two countries.

The Pentagon recently appointed Rear Admiral Thomas Moore, the Navy's two-star program executive officer for aircraft carriers, to lead the U.S. part of the working group, said Pentagon spokeswoman Maureen Schumann.

Moore will work with his Indian counterpart, Rear Admiral-select Surendra Ahuja, a former Indian test pilot, to set up the first meeting of the group in the next couple of months
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Russia offers to build further Talwar class frigates in India.
http://in.rbth.com/news/2015/04/02/russ ... 42363.html
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I hope we do not take it up. the Talwar has too low a deck in the back under the hangar and is a tad too small for the kind of ops we need.
the P17 is a much superior design.

all future IN principal ships must have room for 16 x heavy 6m missiles due to both brahmos and nirbhay in picture and must have room for 32 SRSAM and 32 Barak8.....

if they want a ASW oriented specialized ship then 8 X long tubes, 16 x LRSAM, 32 x SRSAM (because subs can attack with ASMs) and 4 x HWTT + towed sonar + 2 SH60
AAW ship could again reduce to 8 x long tubes but up it to 64 x LRSAM and 32 x SRSAM.


its better to create one standard roomy hull 5000t design with common radars, living spaces, power plant, helicopter area, main gun and use that for variations than custom made designs in small lots like we do now......
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Yes,one would certainly like heavier warships,10,000t+,but costs are the determining factor.The Indian yards are full of orders and in many projects are way behind schedule and with heavy cost overruns.A Talwar costs much less than a P-17 and the extra 7 P-17-As on order will be even more expensive.Foreign yards are being approached in for building the P-17As using modular constr.,etc. The IN has had many years of operating the Talwar class which has proved to be very effective. If at all a T-3 order is being considered,some further improvements,VLS BMos and a better SAM/PBDMS package and perhaps a new/additional ASW weapon system too.

With the increased number of enemy subs in the IOR from both Pak and China,we need many more platforms to combat them both surface and UW. It's why even the OPV vessels should be designed from the outset to fit ASW weapon systems and sensors in the future.

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Philip wrote:Yes,one would certainly like heavier warships,10,000t+,but costs are the determining factor.The Indian yards are full of orders and in many projects are way behind schedule and with heavy cost overruns.A Talwar costs much less than a P-17 and the extra 7 P-17-As on order will be even more expensive.Foreign yards are being approached in for building the P-17As using modular constr.,etc. The IN has had many years of operating the Talwar class which has proved to be very effective. If at all a T-3 order is being considered,some further improvements,VLS BMos and a better SAM/PBDMS package and perhaps a new/additional ASW weapon system too.
Kilo for kilo, the Shivalik class is more effective than the Talwar. The same will apply to the P-17A as well vis a vis an 'improved' Talwar. And India has more than adequate space at our private shipyards (Pipavav and L&T) with the key being a steady production stream instead of piecemeal orders. Indian money invested in India rather than to keep Russian shipyards in business.
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Pvt yards should be closed and if PSU cant meet the order. Import from Russia. Kill any one who suggests Indian Pvt sector yard.
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On IOR security and the last few posts here is S Jha and I agree with him on whatever I am quoting
Saurav Jha @SJha1618 · Apr 2

Navies are shifting to the under water domain in the IOR because as Indian C4ISR grows, alongside its Brahmos inventory + future ASBMs
Saurav Jha @SJha1618 · Apr 2

It will be very difficult for enemy surface assets to survive against Indian ASuW architecture.
Saurav Jha @SJha1618 · Apr 2

Which makes it clear that India must move quickly on investing in the right underwater detection tech and unmanned tech.
Saurav Jha @SJha1618 · 4h 4 hours ago

I have a feeling Pipavav is a likely candidate for building Talwar class follow-ons in India.
* Our need of surface combatants is growing but we have idle capacity in our private shipyards that can be utilized. The benefits are 6 folds > Growth and sustenance of Local Industry, Economy, Bank Debt, Jobs, Competition and Long-term defense preparedness. I am leaving out the cost factor for now because I don't know the numbers.
* Our need similarly for underwater assets can be met locally with the same benefits.
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Quite a details info on Akula came across on Saurav Jah's blog

http://imgur.com/a/pZCb0/layout/blog
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In light of the growing underwater menace, would love to see more surveillance assets for the IN. Is there any locally produced sensor suite for an embraer type platform. IIRC an RFP or was it an RFI for a medium sized recon bird, but I think this can be managed at home - possibly some off-shoots of the Dornier program?
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Cain Marko wrote:Is there any locally produced sensor suite for an embraer type platform. IIRC an RFP or was it an RFI for a medium sized recon bird, but I think this can be managed at home - possibly some off-shoots of the Dornier program?
Coast guard MMMA will be developed by CABS on a suitable platform. Navy's MRMR will be most likely imported.
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US defence secretary to visit India in May to push aircraft carrier technologies
NEW DELHI: The new US defence secretary, Ashton Carter, will be visiting India next month to take forward the proposed co-development and co-production of military technologies, ranging from aircraft carrier launch systems to mini spy drones, identified during Barack Obama's visit here in January.

US defence under-secretary Frank Kendall, who now co-chairs the bilateral Defence Trade and Technology Initiative (DTTI), on his part, told a news agency in Washington that the Obama government would back the selling of General Atomics' EMALS (electromagnetic aircraft launch systems) and other key technologies to India.

As reported by TOI earlier, this is important because India wants its next 65,000-tonne aircraft carrier, which will be built domestically, to have CATOBAR (catapult assisted take-off but arrested recovery) configuration for launching fighters as well as heavier aircraft from its deck.

Till now, India's two operational aircraft carriers INS Viraat and INS Vikramaditya, as also the under-construction INS Vikrant, all have angled ski-jumps for fighters to take off under their own power in STOBAR (short take-off but arrested recovery) operations. But, unlike CATOBAR, only a few aircraft can be launched from carrier decks using STOBAR operations.

Interestingly, Carter had started the entire DTTI initiative with India when he was earlier serving as the deputy secretary of defence at Pentagon. Under it, India and the US agreed to begin co-development and co-production of four modest "pathfinder projects" as well as explore development of aircraft carrier technologies and jet engines during Obama's visit here in January.

The pathfinder products are the Raven mini unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), "roll-on, roll-off" mission modules for C-130J Super Hercules aircraft, mobile electric hybrid power sources, and chemical-biological warfare protection gear for soldiers.
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Murica wants to amortize emals cost as their carrier build rate is very slow now
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