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chakra wrote:44 amateur pilots used airplanes for suicide

Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:0PM
The damaged Echelon office complex in Austin, Texas, the day after a man flew his plane into it.

The damaged Echelon office complex in Austin, Texas, the day after a man flew his plane into it.

About 44 amateur pilots in the United States have committed suicide by deliberately crashing their small airplanes during the past 30 years, according to a new federal report.

The suicide flights involved small, single-engine airplanes that private pilots flew into the ground, water or a building without injuring anyone on the ground, USA Today reports, citing federal crash records.

All of the suicidal pilots were males, and many had recently faced break-ups with wives or had confronted legal troubles, according to the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) report.

The suicides usually take place near small airports used mostly by private airplanes where the pilot is not paid to fly, according to NTSB reports.

The suicide crashes normally lack the publicity of last Tuesday's crash of a German airliner that killed 150 passengers and crew. The German co-pilot, Andreas Lubitz, reportedly had a history of depression and suicidal tendencies.

The most recent suicide plane crash took place on January 11 when a 41-year-old man flew his single-engine, light aircraft into a field 30 miles (48 km) northeast of Denver, Colorado after his wife told him she wanted a divorce, according to an NTSB report.

The wife told police that her husband had said five years earlier that if she ever left him, he would fly his airplane into the ground.

The most notable airplane suicide occurred on February 18, 2010 in Austin, Texas when a local pilot reportedly angry at the US government deliberately crashed his single-engine Piper Dakota light aircraft into an Internal Revenue Service (IRS) office building, killing himself and an IRS employee.

The suicide attack by Andrew Joseph Stack injured 13 other people and ignited a massive fire.

Still, the number of airplane suicides in the US is far less than the hundreds of people who kill themselves each year by stepping in front of trains.

According to a report last week by the Federal Railroad Administration, approximately 340 people killed themselves by standing in the path of passenger or cargo trains in 2014.

The number of airplane suicides is also tiny compared with the approximately 350 people a year who are killed in private aircraft accidents in the US.

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/03/3 ... or-suicide
44 is a very small number. insignificant. air travel is the safest mode of transportation. also you are quoting an iranian paper. from a country that wishes death to america routinely. small planes cant even cause the damage a car would. the trains had over 3000 accidents.

also have you checked how many people were killed/suicided by cars? you know the cops kill more than a 100 every month. are you saying we abolish the police?

bin comparison to the third world infrastructure in iran, the US has several layers of protection. including shooting down the planes to prevent the suicides.

you are just trying to invoke hysteria.
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CT usually involve connecting random dots all over the place to reveal a "frightening" conspiracy of intrigue, secrecy and manipulation. Federal buildings in the US, especially the important ones, are inconspicious, and if they are conspicuous, they are extremely well protected, as Shreeman says. Something is not a national threat unless it is repeatable and undefendable and unpreemptible with each repeat -- both sides learn from every attack, assuming the government is at least as competent at learning from mistakes as the criminals/terrorists are.
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Shreeman wrote:
chakra wrote:44 amateur pilots used airplanes for suicide

Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:0PM
The damaged Echelon office complex in Austin, Texas, the day after a man flew his plane into it.

The damaged Echelon office complex in Austin, Texas, the day after a man flew his plane into it.

About 44 amateur pilots in the United States have committed suicide by deliberately crashing their small airplanes during the past 30 years, according to a new federal report.

The suicide flights involved small, single-engine airplanes that private pilots flew into the ground, water or a building without injuring anyone on the ground, USA Today reports, citing federal crash records.

All of the suicidal pilots were males, and many had recently faced break-ups with wives or had confronted legal troubles, according to the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) report.

The suicides usually take place near small airports used mostly by private airplanes where the pilot is not paid to fly, according to NTSB reports.

The suicide crashes normally lack the publicity of last Tuesday's crash of a German airliner that killed 150 passengers and crew. The German co-pilot, Andreas Lubitz, reportedly had a history of depression and suicidal tendencies.

The most recent suicide plane crash took place on January 11 when a 41-year-old man flew his single-engine, light aircraft into a field 30 miles (48 km) northeast of Denver, Colorado after his wife told him she wanted a divorce, according to an NTSB report.

The wife told police that her husband had said five years earlier that if she ever left him, he would fly his airplane into the ground.

The most notable airplane suicide occurred on February 18, 2010 in Austin, Texas when a local pilot reportedly angry at the US government deliberately crashed his single-engine Piper Dakota light aircraft into an Internal Revenue Service (IRS) office building, killing himself and an IRS employee.

The suicide attack by Andrew Joseph Stack injured 13 other people and ignited a massive fire.

Still, the number of airplane suicides in the US is far less than the hundreds of people who kill themselves each year by stepping in front of trains.

According to a report last week by the Federal Railroad Administration, approximately 340 people killed themselves by standing in the path of passenger or cargo trains in 2014.

The number of airplane suicides is also tiny compared with the approximately 350 people a year who are killed in private aircraft accidents in the US.

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/03/3 ... or-suicide
44 is a very small number. insignificant. air travel is the safest mode of transportation. also you are quoting an iranian paper. from a country that wishes death to america routinely. small planes cant even cause the damage a car would. the trains had over 3000 accidents.

also have you checked how many people were killed/suicided by cars? you know the cops kill more than a 100 every month. are you saying we abolish the police?

bin comparison to the third world infrastructure in iran, the US has several layers of protection. including shooting down the planes to prevent the suicides.

you are just trying to invoke hysteria.
You either cannot read an article or get hysterical easily!
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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 793685.cms
Three Americans, inspired by Islamic State, charged in terror-related cases
NEW YORK: Raising fears over the growing threat of homegrown extremism, three Americans, including two women, have been charged in separate cases of plotting terror strikes on US soil using "weapons of mass destruction" and of travelling to Pakistan to fight against American forces.

Noelle Velentzas, 28 and Asia Siddiqui, 31, former roommates in a Queens apartment influenced by the terror group ISIS, conspired to construct car and pressure cooker bombs to carry out strikes in the US.

In a separate case, 29-year-old Muhanad Mahmoud Al Farekh was charged with conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists. The three appeared yesterday before US Magistrate Judge Viktor Pohorelsky of the Eastern District of New York.
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chakra wrote:
Shreeman wrote:quote="chakra"44 amateur pilots used airplanes for suicide

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you are just trying to invoke hysteria.
You either cannot read an article or get hysterical easily!
Based on anecdotal evidence, I suspect it is both. Also, there is a possibility that there might have been some point to the elements of the reply. Who knows. Does anyone know what they are really reading or writing?
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Should go to the 'understanding the yooyess' dhaga maybe...

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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 803646.cms
Yoga is secular, not gateway to Hinduism: US court
WASHINGTON: Ruling that yoga taught in elementary schools is not a gateway to Hinduism and does not violate religious freedoms, a California appeals court has allowed it to continue.

"We conclude that the programme is secular. (and) does not have the primary effect of advancing or inhibiting religion, and does not excessively entangle the school district in religion," the three-member appeals court ruled Friday.

The decision by California's 4th District Court of Appeal upheld a lower-court ruling in support of the Encinitas Union Elementary School District in San Diego, utsandiego.com reported.

The school had been sued by parents who argued the school yoga programme was inherently spiritual and therefore unconstitutional.

Attorney Dean Broyles, who represented the parents in the lawsuit, was quoted as saying he and his clients "are disappointed with the decision and we are carefully considering our options."

"No other court in the past 50 years has allowed public schools to lead children in formal religious rituals like the Hindu liturgy of praying to, bowing to, and worshipping the sun god," Broyles said in an email to U-T San Diego.

Yoga has been a health and wellness activity in the school district since 2012, when the Encinitas-based Sonima Foundation gave the district $2 million to add yoga to all physical education classes.

Broyles sued the district on behalf of a couple and their two children, saying the programme violated the separation of church and state by endorsing Hindu religious beliefs promoted in Ashtanga yoga.

The state Superior Court sided with the district in 2013, finding that the school programme had been stripped of religious overtones, utsandiego.com said.

The trial court noted in its decision that the district's yoga classes "consist of instruction in performing yoga poses, breathing, and relaxation, combined with lessons in positive character traits, such as respect and empathy."


District Superintendent Tim Baird said school district officials had always anticipated a favourable ruling and are pleased now that it's happened.

All students in the district, which includes kindergarten through sixth-grade, get two yoga classes of 30 minutes or more per week.

"We are seeing tremendous results," Baird said. "Kids are more flexible, stronger, and have more ability to focus. We think this is a key to the 21st century."

Baird said he was surprised at the flap over the lawsuit as "Yoga has become ubiquitous in the United States."

"The argument that it turns somebody into a Hindu is a stretch."
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We are seeing tremendous results
Now, that can be considered as a scientific secular observation, too. After all, no court in the past 50 years has allowed public schools to lead children in heathein/pegain rituals of praying/bowing to the sun god. And how did they add "worship" part along with, so much for Asht-ang Yoga! But then, does not the lawyer inherently admit sun as THE sun god - just like the state court stating clearly that Yoga will NOT "turn" people into a Hindu and thereby inherently stating that Yoga is Hindu. Or that people doing Yoga, or such Hindu spiritual activities, will "turn" into Hindu horde like a zombie apocalypse of people doing Yoga everywhere.

I think the tremendous results part needed a bit more explaining in the report. Not that it won't benefit others, but such data won't be forthcoming clearly otherwise.
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Now this can be used as secular third party evidence by state governments in India where teaching yoga in schools us being challenged by EJ and mullahs. Now all NDA ruled schools should start mandatory yoga, pranayam and dhyana programs in schools. It is possible to construct a curriculum that would be devoid of religious overtones, at least overtly.
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schinnas> It is possible to construct a curriculum that would be devoid of religious overtones, at least overtly.

Are you suggesting that this should be done covertly? My preference would be not to have any religious overtones - covertly or overtly. Science is science and known history is known history. Everything should be religion neutral - including excluding creationism from the curriculum.
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Now even Indian "feminists" will start doing Yoga, because after all, a CA court said its "secular" onlee. Of course, till yesterday, Yoga was an RSS rope trick or Baba Ramdev's comedy. It remains to be seen though if they also imitate the white ladies by wearing Lululemon yoga tights, so the eyes of middle aged men like me and DoCJi drool :-).
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Moron lawyer. Hindus pray to Vishnu in the Sun.

Read Bhagwat Gita. Vishnu is omnipresent. He is everywhere.
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^^saw a movie - City of Ghosts - which is the usual umreeki in 3rd world with all sorts of shady intrigue. This one is set in Cambodia and has a few scenes set near old temple ruins. One of the scenes, otherwise having nothing to do with the story, struck me. The character says, "...this is prior to Budhism,..(when it was) Brahmanism and Vishnuism..." , and I was left thinking as to why not just say Hinduism? There is a reluctance to acknowledge.
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(when it was) Brahmanism and Vishnuism..." , and I was left thinking as to why not just say Hinduism?
Because Khambhoja civilization was circa 8000-4000BCE, and the term "Hindu" is only since ~525BCE? The term "Hindu" REALLY means "Pakistani", hain? Since Sindhu river is in Pakistan?
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I used to "yoga" all the time. Did it turn me into a ..... Oh, dude! Is that what happened? Jesus tapdancing christ.
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pankajs wrote:http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 803646.cms

Yoga is secular, not gateway to Hinduism: US court

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More on the topic by way of X Post from the “Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact” thread.

Chidanand Rajghatta in Times of India on Christist hyperventilation about Yoga in the US.

In order to assuage Christist hypersensitivity, Padmasana goes to being called ''criss cross apple sauce''. Apparently translating Padmasana into English and getting called “lotus pose” was deemed not good enough to assuage the hypersensitivity of adherents of Christism.

Pretty hypocritical when one thinks that adherents of Christism, no doubt tantalized by prospect of religious conversion dividends, opposed ban of the use of the term “Allah” to describe the Christist God imposed by fellow Abrahamic Mohammaddens in Malaysia (Malaysia Allah dispute: Top court rejects challenge):

Link for the TOI Article :

Yoga classes are secular, says US court
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Yes, one fool found Yoga to be religion and another declared it secular! Blind men and elephants onlee :mrgreen:
If the brain is incapable of recognizing the object signaled by the sense organ, then who is to blame? for the dense find a mirror!

Meanwhile enjoy - one can't make this scatalogical stuff up!
http://www.christianyoga.com/FAQ.htm
http://praisemoves.com

Schools in the US have following secular positions - criss cross apple sauce, butterfly, kangaroo, surfer, washing machine
I for one can't understand why they can't just do pilates and leave Yoga the f alone!
Then again it would be a shame to miss all this fun :rotfl:
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For all anyone knows, Jesus may have been a yogi...
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I saw a docu 30 yrs ago with credible evidence that Jesus during the lost early years visited India,studied at Benares and returned to Palestine.Here is one site with its claims.
http://reluctant-messenger.com/issa.htm
The Lost Years of Jesus:
The Life of Saint Issa
Translation by Notovitch
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Even doordarshan farsightedly came out with a documentary on it, pretty well researched I might add, during the Congi years. Not sure what the intention was, but the tale spins in many ways. But so long as we are open to Jesus, and to 330 million (or whatever) others, equally, all is cool. Wonly.

I'm sure in due course some jingo guru will pop up espousing yeshuyoga - created when Jesus visited India before moving on to Missouri.
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^^ India is missing hainji?
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AoA! Whiyar eej KSA, hain? Qatar? Only True Peelievars get the plessing of ATM. Why do they call ATMs by that name, though it is sheer Plasphemy? A constant reminder.

No wonder they call it Poo Research Center. Shows the Dhimmification of the Beltway Bandits.

And ISRAEL is a nation that does not emphasize religion? Sure!
Israel does not emphasize Christianity, Roman Catholicism, German Protestantism, North Carolina Bigotism, Southern Baptism, Al-Obama DUIism, Utah Mormonism, Georgia Emory U. Limp Phallus Methodistism, Sunni Islam, Shia Islam, Buddhism, Zoraoatrianism, Hinduism, Jainism, Sikhism, Polynesianism...Israelis don't care about 99.99% of the world's religions! :rotfl:
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Since the US has larger disparity in wealth/income, the median value instead of average per capita income will not put it as a true outlier, but closer to $20,000 along the x-axis in league with lebanon. :-)
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JE Menon wrote: I'm sure in due course some jingo guru will pop up espousing yeshuyoga - created when Jesus visited India before moving on to Missouri.
It already exists, e.g.,
http://www.christianyoga.us/home.htm

PS: Today, on Easter, it is good to remember what Easter actually was.
http://www.jesusandmo.net/2015/04/01/back2/

This is the fate of Diwali and Onam and everything else if Christian proselytizing succeeds in its mission. With Islamic proselytizing it is outright destruction; with Christian proselytizing it is complete digestion. It is the same difference you see in Islamic & Christian geo-political strategies - the Islamics invade and extirpate; the European/American Christians make colonies and proselytize (some of the Eastern Churches may be more benign, practically speaking) - and they are in a competition to see which one is more effective. I remember a speech from a recent Pope (can't find the reference though) who during a tour of Africa appealed to Muslims, saying, there are enough animists here for both of us to convert, so let us not get into Christian-Muslim conflict.

The recent Pew Research nonsense that Christianity will lose followers by 2050 and fall behind Islam is, IMO, an attempt to prop up proselytization. Pew Research is supposedly non-partisan and non-ideological, but its parent organization has children organizations like "Gospel and Our Culture".

Remember, for all proselytizers, Islamic and Christian, falsehood and deception in the name of conversion is perfectly non-sinful, because it is for "the greater good". Also remember that proselytization, both Islamic and Christian, feeds on martyrdom (e.g., look up "Devasahay Pillai").
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In a way the judgement makes official/documents the source/root of yoga. Fudging can happen at the edges but the core has the stamp of judicial authenticity/approval.

Moreover, the GOI has started documenting all possible yoga posture/asana that have ever been practiced when the patenting issue popped up.
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In lot of places instead of Church the term yeshu mandir is being used
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A_Gupta wrote:

The recent Pew Research nonsense that Christianity will lose followers by 2050 and fall behind Islam is, IMO, an attempt to prop up proselytization. Pew Research is supposedly non-partisan and non-ideological, but its parent organization has children organizations like "Gospel and Our Culture".
Fox news went bonkers with this Pew data.
The team has started looking at the entire world as battle field between christians and others. That is the only way for them to survive after the secularization of europe, enlightenment and death of church.
Remember, for all proselytizers, Islamic and Christian, falsehood and deception in the name of conversion is perfectly non-sinful, because it is for "the greater good". Also remember that proselytization, both Islamic and Christian, feeds on martyrdom (e.g., look up "Devasahay Pillai").
Devasahay Pillai must be made into a Hindu shrine and it is perfectly valid. Christian faith in India has the baggage of colonialism and persecution of Indians.
Indians are the victims for 200 years and Indians have every right to take back everything.
Indian narrative has to change. They have used Indian elite to hide the British atrocities.
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But will Paco get enough protein in its diet aboard a dirty yindian rescue ship??

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X Posted from the STFUP thread.

U.S. State Department Approves Pakistan Arms Request :

Wall Street Journal
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Hari Seldon wrote:But will Paco get enough protein in its diet aboard a dirty yindian rescue ship??
Excellent.
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Oh, there's gotta be a lot of white Christian Americans just waiting to get out of Yemen. For sure. Just oodles and oodles of them. And all of them have Doberman carnivores as pets too. No kids though. The exes have custody of those back in the US. Heather has two mommies and they are taking care of her.
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TSJones wrote:Oh, there's gotta be a lot of white Christian Americans just waiting to get out of Yemen. For sure. Just oodles and oodles of them. And all of them have Doberman carnivores as pets too. No kids though. The exes have custody of those back in the US.
Good that you can laugh about it. Because it is a tragedy caused by bone-deep American--white christian in your words--cultural stupidity.

One reason US wouldn't dare do an Indian style rescue is they have earned the hatred and contempt of all parties in that area, after spending untold billions there. There is no chance of a US cabinet member going into San'aa to scope out a rescue the way VK Singh did for India. And I can only imagine the grave danger to military and civilians if US Navy assets got anywhere near the Yemeni coast like the Indian Navy did.
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TSJones wrote:Oh, there's gotta be a lot of white Christian Americans just waiting to get out of Yemen. For sure. Just oodles and oodles of them. And all of them have Doberman carnivores as pets too. No kids though. The exes have custody of those back in the US.
TSJones ji,

re: paco

we did not start this. some mighty fine folk at the US embassy in New Delhi did.

Incidentally it was some US babu who said that Amrekis in yemen would be evacuated by the Indian govt. It wouldn't matter to the IN/IAF/AI if they were white, black or yellow, christian or otherwise, we would still get them out, if they wanted out.

personally I would rate Dobermans higher that many many humans, not just Indians or Amrekis but from all countries.
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I am of the carefully considered opinion that any American that is so careless to still be in Yemen *and*, I repeat, *and*, expects the US to commit gazillions in resources and endanger further American lives in order to effect their rescue, needs to stay in Yemen and enjoy the climate there. However, I will admit that it is very nice of India to graciously provide assistance. Many thanks for that.

BTW, I am of the same opinion about Americans who go wilderness trekking and expect millions of dollars in rescue effort when they get into trouble.
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TSJones wrote:I am of the carefully considered opinion that any American that is so careless to still be in Yemen *and*, I repeat, *and*, expects the US to commit gazillions in resources and endanger further American lives in order to effect their rescue, needs to stay in Yemen and enjoy the climate there. However, I will admit that it is very nice of India to graciously provide assistance. Many thanks for that.

BTW, I am of the same opinion about Americans who go wilderness trekking and expect millions of dollars in rescue effort when they get into trouble.
That wasn't too difficult, was it? That was all that was needed in the first place. :)

My countrymen are more than a little pissed off at the latest news of the amrekis selling more hellfire missiles to the pakis as well as more weapons, to root out the terrorists, no doubt. Forgive them.

but in India one often wonders how you amrekis distinguish between terrorists out there in pukiland, between the ones wearing uniforms and the ones who don't. From our vantage point here, they all look the same to us.
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TSJ, there are many many situations where Americans can get stuck in countries outside of those scenarios that you mentioned. Of course, there are morons from all countries who run about climbing mountains, or sandboarding or some crap like that with tribals shooting over their heads - but those are a lunatic bunch. There are many people of goodwill on the other hand, who actually spend time studying the country, culture - academicians, people with relatives (Americans who are not white), etc. Sometimes, they are simply stranded - tickets were booked late, they could not anticipate when the shite would hit the fan exactly, etc. Anybody could get stranded in such situations, even people who keep an eye on things and are generally aware of stuff - people like you and me.

As far as I know, no Indian ship or armed forces person will ask for a person's nationality or faith before rescuing them. And this is exactly what the US forces are like too. We are alike in many ways. Let's not sour it up.
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There is one way we are not alike. in US - the media would have gone all hollywood in packaging the rescue like black hawk down :lol: remember that private jessica "rescue" in the early stage of iraq war? remember how army presented it as some amazing rambo shyte and media played it over and over again USA USA USA...

and it turned out to be staged..but that part was not reported much or the army was not dragged over the coals for taking the nation on a ride.

Here, it is the exact opposite. the army does a good job and our media, instead of giving it appropriate air time (not looking for rambo crap), just fair reporting on steps taken and executed etc - instead of that, they pick on VKS and distort what he said and go after him with #disaster blah blah.
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TSJones wrote:However, I will admit that it is very nice of India to graciously provide assistance. Many thanks for that.
Hehh how the mighty Muricans have fallen !!!
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JE Menon wrote:We are alike in many ways.
Somebody point this guy to the positive news thread.
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