Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2015

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 09 Apr 2015 19:07

Anujan wrote:The "exercise" part is what I find suspicious.

It is given that exercise is a cover since it is in an area not far from Yemen.

Edited later.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 09 Apr 2015 19:09

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... ail-india/
Pak must ensure Zaki-ur Rehman Lakhvi does not come out of jail: India

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 09 Apr 2015 19:42

RamaY wrote:
sudhan wrote:Mean-e-while

One Arap gets 72 other 3 waiting in line after joint military exercise between Al-Barbaria and Al-Porks

Can't even claim a surprise toilet gas blast..
Any idea if this is an Arap or wanna-be-Arap?

Anujan wrote:The "exercise" part is what I find suspicious.

I think it is a surprising coincidence. This "Al-Samosa 5" seems to be in play for almost the entire month of March. Given the keen military prowess of the Araps, Im sure these casualties were incurred by them and not the wannabes..

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 09 Apr 2015 20:05

http://www.dawn.com/news/1174879/one-de ... y-training

A military official told Dawn.com that initial information coming from Ryadh suggest that no Pakistani soldier has been killed

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 09 Apr 2015 20:27

Falijee, I feel it is easier for us to comprehend the link you post, if you include a description along with the URL.

It can be done by using the URL tags like this

Code: Select all

[url=http://urltobeshared.com]Description of the link[/url]

Melwyn · Post by **Melwyn** » 09 Apr 2015 22:27

C. Christine Fair, brutally hallaling a Wagah candle kisser.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 10 Apr 2015 02:17

Thanks for Posting. She really rips the Track II basta**s, shopping jamborees in Kathmandu, Colombo, Dubai. Suffering from social desirability bias
(actually stockholm syndrome).

Melwyn · Post by **Melwyn** » 10 Apr 2015 06:16

Vipul wrote:Thanks for Posting. She really rips the Track II basta**s, shopping jamborees in Kathmandu, Colombo, Dubai. Suffering from social desirability bias
(actually stockholm syndrome).

Even after that whacking, the moron keeps spewing nonsense.
In the followup question he asks if Fair's data will be used by Hindu Right wing groups to malign Pak and Muzzies. Where do these termites come from?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 10 Apr 2015 06:19

Wasn't this talk by Fair posted aeons ago. We even discussed this guy's question whoever he is.

arun · Post by **arun** » 10 Apr 2015 06:29

^^^ It was indeed posted and discussed threadbare.

vijaykarthik · Post by **vijaykarthik** » 10 Apr 2015 06:32

Christine Fair vents on WOTR. Nice read up.

groundhog-day-in-u-s-pakistan-relations

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 10 Apr 2015 06:50

When Pakistani Punksatwani Jahil comes out of his cavekamplex and predicts that if he sees his shadow, there will be an immediate drone strike. If he doesn't see his shadow, he wins and gets to fight another day.

Pliss to see for context ...
Ground Hog day and Punxutwaney Phil's predictions

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 10 Apr 2015 07:19

Ten percenti seems to be pretty upset with Chairman "I will get Cashmere from India" Bilawal.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/867047/ppp- ... t-zardari/

Bilawal needs to grow up before entering politics again: Zardari

Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari said on Thursday his party’s chairman and son Bilawal Bhutto is being ‘trained’ in London for the time being.

“Bilawal is receiving training in London. I believe that his thinking needs to mature and he needs to grow up. Once that happens, he will enter politics again,” said Zardari.

Though he was ineffective and couldnt do a thing, ten percenti came across as a man genuinely interested in peace and co-existence. Pity that he had to fight for his life (and chair) throughout his tenure. The combination of Pasha and Ashphuck was deadly. Pasha was such an A-hole that it now emerges that he was trying to overthrow Nawaz and that is after he had retired.

A little birdie told me long back (I think I had posted here), pasha gave some assurances to Immy and Friar TuQ and they both thought they had the support of the Khakhis and the ISI and went to protest. Badmash fearfully asked the bad Sharif if he was supporting Immy & TuQ to which Bad Sharif denied it (truthfully) but used it as a bargaining chip to control foreign policy, foreign baksheesh and anti-terror ops. Badmash ofcourse didnt believe Bad Sharif (for good reasons), but in really Bad Sharif really wasnt orchestrating Immy & TuQ's tamasha. It was all Pasha. After letting the show run for a few months, Bad Sharif pulled the rug from under Immy and TuQ.

An enterprising Rakshak can orchestrate a Coup in Pakistan with a few well placed calls. Nobody trusts or believes anyone there.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 10 Apr 2015 07:47

Anujan,

This is naive analysis. If you can now see a 10%i as a WKK then there is no hope for ordinary readers. Trying to find "good" in a river of turds can not produce any meaningful change. This is how politicians operate. There is a single cloth, and all are cut a different length from it.

Why do you want to excuse 10%i behavior now? Memories are short, and this becomes propaganda for them -- if anujan is saying it, it must be true, I dont remember what was going on whe he was PM.

Try not to assign blame on a Bilawal or 10%i or musharraf. It is all one single river of fecal matter.

partha · Post by **partha** » 10 Apr 2015 07:50

FWIW -

http://zeenews.india.com/news/south-asi ... 93486.html

Ready for 1,000-year war with India over Kashmir: Zardari

partha · Post by **partha** » 10 Apr 2015 08:03

But yeah, I agree there is great scope for mischief through prank calls. My favorite is the one where someone identifying himself as Pranab Mukherjee called Paki foreign minister and threatened war post 26/11. Pakis sha* their pants and went crying to all their owners from Chinese to KSA to US

I wonder who called? Some bored agent in IB or RAW?

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 10 Apr 2015 08:09

^ It was Omar Sheikh (convicted in case of Daniel Perl murder) calling from jail.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Apr 2015 14:01

Pakistan parliament rejects Saudi Arabia's call to join Yemen coalition - ET

Pakistan's parliament on Friday urged the government to stay out of the conflict in Yemen, rejecting Saudi demands for Islamabad to join its coalition against Shiite Huthi rebels.

A unanimous resolution passed by a special session of parliament backed the government's commitment to protect Saudi Arabia's territory, which has so far not been threatened by the conflict.

But it said Pakistan should play a mediating role and not get involved in fighting -- turning down longstanding ally Riyadh's request for troops, ships and warplanes.

" Parliament of Pakistan... underscores the need for continued efforts by the government of Pakistan to find a peaceful resolution of the crisis," the resolution said.

"(Parliament) desires that Pakistan should maintain neutrality in the Yemen conflict so as to be able to play a proactive diplomatic role to end the crisis."

The motion came after five days of debate on the Yemen crisis, in which the majority of lawmakers urged Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif not to send Pakistani forces to join the fight.

Pakistan has pushed diplomatic efforts in the past week, holding talks with Turkish and Iranian officials to try to forge a way ahead.

Friday's resolution urged the government to begin work in the UN Security Council and the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation bloc to bring about a ceasefre.

Certainly, it is not a realization that getting involved in the Shi'a-Sunni war would be dangerous for Pakistan. I can think of the following reasons:

The baksheesh that was offered was not enough
A higher power than KSA intervened

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 10 Apr 2015 14:14

And the real intent is to deploy troops in Saudi in largeish numbers, which will then, suitably uniformed, leak across the Yemen border.

There's too much protestation about moving into Yemen. Formally.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Apr 2015 14:27

EconomicTimes ‏@EconomicTimes 13m13 minutes ago

#Breaking: 26/11 plotter Zakiur Rehman #Lakhvi released from Adiala jail #Pakistan

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Apr 2015 16:32

JE Menon wrote:And the real intent is to deploy troops in Saudi in largeish numbers, which will then, suitably uniformed, leak across the Yemen border.

There's too much protestation about moving into Yemen. Formally.

I always felt that PA ex-servicemen were taking part in many Islamist jihadi organizations like IS, AQAP, Boko Haram, Southern Thailand, Myanmar, Philippines (Abu-sayyaf) etc. There may be ex-officers as advisers etc. Pakistan might have already deployed a lot of ex-servicemen in KSA-Yemen too. Plausible deniability, for the time being. Once totally wet, the 'khimar' (head-cver) can be removed.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 10 Apr 2015 16:38

amitkv wrote:C. Christine Fair, brutally hallaling a Wagah candle kisser.

Takeaway 1. The person asking the question sees "the Hindu Right" as the enemy, and not Pakistan, who has actual nuclear weapons pointed at India, including presumably her own family.

Takeaway 2. Learn the bleddy Urdu script.

Found this very nice blogpost:

Cracking Urdu: A Guide for Those Who Know Hindi

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Apr 2015 17:31

Fundamentally, Pak army is overstretched. They have taken plenty of casualties of late. The army does not have the guts to say it so they are hiding behind a parliament resolution. They would have told parliament what decision they want.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 10 Apr 2015 17:37

I came across this "southasian" blog by chance:
TheSouthAsianIdea Weblog

It has seemingly unexceptionable objectives.

Here is the list of contributors:

Contributors

Samia Altaf was the 2007-2008 Pakistan Scholar at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington, DC. She has worked for UNICEF, USAID, the District of Columbia’s Department of Health and taught at the Aga Khan Medical University in Karachi, Pakistan. Her book So Much Aid, So Little Development: Stories from Pakistan has been published by the Johns Hopkins University Press in May 2011.

Dipankar Gupta was Professor of Sociology, Center for the Study of Social Systems, Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi, India. From September to December 2007, he was a Fellow at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington, DC.

Ahmed Kamran was an active member of the previous student movement for political and social change in Pakistan.

Bettina Robotka is a historian and a Senior Researcher at the Seminar of South Asian History and Society, Humboldt University, Berlin.

Shreekant Gupta is visiting the National University of Singapore on leave from the University of Delhi.

Aakar Patel is a former newspaper editor who lives in Bombay.

Anil Kala: Who am I? When I find out, I will tell you.

I think it is worth tracking. The articles are reasonably well-written with a low Pinglish quotient. This endeavor is the reasonable, suave and sophisticated face of the pakis and their Indian stooges. It is not an outlier, there are many powerful financial interests backing this effort. Any strategy to destroy Pakistan will fail if it doesn't account for enterprises like this one.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 10 Apr 2015 18:20

KLNMurthyJi, is there a new ISI strategy to carefully calibrate the pressure on BJP ("Hindu right"). I wonder if you saw the latest Lakhvi release circus? In an ideal world, I mean a united India, there would have been universal revulsion in India. But the most puke worthy, pathetic spectacle was a clip I saw Cong Manish Tiwari accusing ModiJi for the release of Lakhvi. The bloody moron went on to add that Lakhvi is released because ModiJi-led BJP wants him out. My point being that 26/11 has become more of a slug-fest between BJP and Cong than about bringing justice to the victims. And none benefits more than ISI as this narrative plays out.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 10 Apr 2015 18:26

CRAMS-that begs the question whose side Manish Tewari and leftie liberals are on- are they ISI supporters? Blaming Modi, intelligence failure and repeatedly exonerating Pakis.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 10 Apr 2015 18:30

CRamS wrote:KLNMurthyJi, is there a new ISI strategy to carefully calibrate the pressure on BJP ("Hindu right"). I wonder if you saw the latest Lakhvi release circus? In an ideal world, I mean a unite India, there would have been universal revulsion in India. But the most puke worthy, pathetic spectacle was a clip I saw Cong Manish Tiwari accusing ModiJi for the release of Lakhvi. The bloody moron went on to add that Lakhvi is released because ModiJi-led BJP wants him out. My point being that 26/11 has become more of a slug-fest between BJP and Cong than about bringing justice to the victims. And none benefits more than ISI as this narrative plays out.

Excellent point!

What Manish Tiwari and other eminent strategic analysts like Sri Bharat Karnad essentially are saying is primarily India-Pakistan equation is unresolved Hindu-Muslim conflict. On top of it they want to convince the world that BJP is the Hindu party. What they dont say directly but infer is Congress is party of sub-continental muslims. If you remember Shashi Tharoor presented this exact world view when he visited Pakistan. I wrote a blog post on that.

Nehru-Jinna conflict is more of who is the legitimate successor to Mughal empire. Jinnah followed the Nizam route and established a (Hyderabad-like) empire in Pakistan while Nehru kept Delhi.

Now its up to others to accept this theory or not and come up with alternative world-view. Modi is doing exactly that. I can see what that view is but it is OT.

This vision will become evident circa 2020.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 10 Apr 2015 18:31

vijaykarthik wrote:Christine Fair vents on WOTR. Nice read up.

groundhog-day-in-u-s-pakistan-relations

The United States generally, and the U.S. State Department in particular, seem perennially unwilling to grasp the realities of Pakistan. Refusing to recognize that Pakistan pursues ideological goals through the use of terrorism under its ever-expanding nuclear umbrella, the United States persists with the same strategy it has always used to handle the “Pakistan problem” – namely, attempt to induce better Pakistani comportment through handsome allurements. The most Panglossian American policy makers believe that there is some magical combination of rewards and engagement that, over some time horizon, will transform Pakistan from the regional menace it is today, into a state that is at peace with itself and its neighbors. The most pusillanimous of policy-making poltroons fret that should the United States curb its generosity and demand that Pakistan honor its varied commitments like any other responsible state, Pakistan may fail and the Islamist barbarians will knock down the nuclear gates with grisly consequences for humanity.

Fair is going for the US/SD are idiots and keep on being idiots premise, as she has always done. They are idiots in her eyes because they ignore her, and she is not an idiot because she can see what the idiots at the US/SD can't seem to see.

This kind of circularity is how a narcissistic person thinks, it is what we call paki-think here on BRF. She never asks, but what if the US/SD are not being idiots? What if, like all institutions, they are following a set pattern of behaviors that are grounded in some deep cultural beliefs and assumptions? We have discussed enough on BRF about what those cultural beliefs may be.

There is another dimension here besides Fair's narcissism. If the US/SD are not institutional idiots, then one possibility is that they are being evil--pursuing imperialistic hegemony at the cost of humanity's survival. That would be a tough lump of cognitive dissonance to swallow.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 10 Apr 2015 18:38

partha wrote:FWIW -

http://zeenews.india.com/news/south-asi ... 93486.html
Ready for 1,000-year war with India over Kashmir: Zardari

Zardari said democratic governments had played a key role in moving forward on the Kashmir dispute.

“When Zulfikar had spoken of waging a thousand-year war, he never said he would not do it through talks or negotiations,” he said.

President Zardari said regional peace was inextricably linked to the settlement of the decades-old dispute over Kashmir.

“We cannot de-link regional peace from peace in Kashmir. We have highlighted this thinking in the world and will keep projecting it,” he said.

Describing Kashmir as the “jugular vein” of Pakistan, the President said: “Soon the time will come when the world will take important decisions regarding Kashmir”.

Zardari said Pakistan and India should learn to live in peace.

“We know that we cannot change our neighbours but they should also know that they can also not change their neighbours,” he said.

Golden words, worth repeating.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 10 Apr 2015 18:46

SSridhar wrote: ...
[*]A higher power than KSA intervened[/list]

Which higher power? Iran? USA? Taller than Mountains?? Arrah?

Iran is not "higher" than Saudi. USA has no influence in such things.

Could be friendly advice from Tallel. Or could be Puki army doesn't like taking on Arabs who will fight back for what is theirs. Apparently Hooties see themselves as historically the lords of Yemen, and are numerically not that much less than Soothies who we know won't fight for their own land.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 10 Apr 2015 18:47

pankajs wrote:
EconomicTimes ‏@EconomicTimes 13m13 minutes ago

#Breaking: 26/11 plotter Zakiur Rehman #Lakhvi released from Adiala jail #Pakistan

Good. Maybe we can save on chai-biskoot ka paisa for a while.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 10 Apr 2015 18:58

CRamS wrote:KLNMurthyJi, is there a new ISI strategy to carefully calibrate the pressure on BJP ("Hindu right"). I wonder if you saw the latest Lakhvi release circus? In an ideal world, I mean a united India, there would have been universal revulsion in India. But the most puke worthy, pathetic spectacle was a clip I saw Cong Manish Tiwari accusing ModiJi for the release of Lakhvi. The bloody moron went on to add that Lakhvi is released because ModiJi-led BJP wants him out. My point being that 26/11 has become more of a slug-fest between BJP and Cong than about bringing justice to the victims. And none benefits more than ISI as this narrative plays out.

A person like Manish Tiwari can say anything. So can other Congis, freelance seculars, traitors and so forth. India has all these people like an old house, otherwise nice and comfortable, has rats in the basement. We are non-violent SDRE Yindoos only, with non-killing rat traps, and won't go for extermination using cyanide gas like TFTA murricans. So, we just have to live with the rats.

We can't really control what the pakis will do with their non-state actors; if they actually punish Lakhvi through their court system like we punished Kasab, they will stop being pakis and we would have to wind up BRF. Or even if their soothasians come out on the streets in solidarity with the victims of 26/11.

Just kidding, we know that such things will never happen.

The question is, what does India do with what pakistan did (again)? To my way of thinking, they just handed us another nice pretext for "unnecessarily canceling the uninterruptible dialogue." Good show, pakistan paindabad, I say.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 10 Apr 2015 19:08

RamaY wrote:
CRamS wrote:KLNMurthyJi, is there a new ISI strategy to carefully calibrate the pressure on BJP ("Hindu right"). I wonder if you saw the latest Lakhvi release circus? In an ideal world, I mean a unite India, there would have been universal revulsion in India. But the most puke worthy, pathetic spectacle was a clip I saw Cong Manish Tiwari accusing ModiJi for the release of Lakhvi. The bloody moron went on to add that Lakhvi is released because ModiJi-led BJP wants him out. My point being that 26/11 has become more of a slug-fest between BJP and Cong than about bringing justice to the victims. And none benefits more than ISI as this narrative plays out.
Excellent point!

What Manish Tiwari and other eminent strategic analysts like Sri Bharat Karnad essentially are saying is primarily India-Pakistan equation is unresolved Hindu-Muslim conflict. On top of it they want to convince the world that BJP is the Hindu party. What they dont say directly but infer is Congress is party of sub-continental muslims. If you remember Shashi Tharoor presented this exact world view when he visited Pakistan. I wrote a blog post on that.

Nehru-Jinna conflict is more of who is the legitimate successor to Mughal empire. Jinnah followed the Nizam route and established a (Hyderabad-like) empire in Pakistan while Nehru kept Delhi.

Now its up to others to accept this theory or not and come up with alternative world-view. Modi is doing exactly that. I can see what that view is but it is OT.

This vision will become evident circa 2020.

This gives us a good handle on understanding how to differentiate Indian Muslims from their baki counterparts.

If we pay attention to the theme song of liberal Muslim apologists, they will plead for understanding of their plight: Muslims never had a chance to develop a peaceful and secular ethos, they were too busy fighting each other or too busy conquering and pillaging others. In the modern era, they couldn't learn the Enlightenment values because Western imperialists were oppressing them. If only they had a peaceful domain in which to develop and adopt Enlightenment values, sad onlee.

So, India under BJP / Hindu rule is a unique place for giving them exactly this chance to evolve in a civilized direction. They can participate in power, they can think freely, and learn from others around them. But they won't be allowed to act like they are royal inheritors of Mughal Empire. What direction will they take?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Apr 2015 19:09

KLNMurthy wrote: We can't really control what the pakis will do with their non-state actors; if they actually punish Lakhvi through their court system like we punished Kasab, they will stop being pakis and we would have to wind up BRF. Or even if their soothasians come out on the streets in solidarity with the victims of 26/11.

I was not aware that BRF is Pakistan-centric.
Look East, Act East!

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 10 Apr 2015 19:10

A_Gupta wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote: We can't really control what the pakis will do with their non-state actors; if they actually punish Lakhvi through their court system like we punished Kasab, they will stop being pakis and we would have to wind up BRF. Or even if their soothasians come out on the streets in solidarity with the victims of 26/11.
I was not aware that BRF is Pakistan-centric.
Look East, Act East!

I was just kidding, making a point onlee, A_Gupta.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 10 Apr 2015 19:16

ANy chance Lakhvi , Hafiz and UJC make a well publicized, preplanned tour of LOC now.

Frankly I think it is easier for us to get this fellow out rather than when he is in ISI custody and enjoying 5 star treatment, he even fathered children in Jail. The Pakis are not using the Fig leaf that's all

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 10 Apr 2015 19:48

Parliament calls for neutrality in Yemen conflict
But I thought that NS/PA were pro Saudi

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 10 Apr 2015 19:58

FO hands over demarche to Afghan envoy over murder of Pakistanis

Relations back to normal ?

RamSuresh · Post by **RamSuresh** » 10 Apr 2015 21:02

Falijee , Did the Pakistan Govt throw some light on what these six pakistanis were doing inside Afghanistan?

"Bullet-riddled bodies of six Pakistanis, who were kidnapped in Afghanistan about two months back and killed a few days ago, were handed over to Pakistani officials at Torkham border post on Wednesday."

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Apr 2015 21:49

Lakhvi, a free man for now
http://www.dawn.com/news/1175099/lakhvi ... an-for-now

RAWALPINDI: Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, the alleged mastermind of the 2008 Mumbai attacks, was released from Adiala jail on Friday following the Lahore High Court's dismissal of detention orders issued against him by the Okara DCO on March 14.A central leader of Jamaatud Dawa (JuD), Lakhvi was released from the prison early this morning after furnishing Rs2 million in surety bonds. According to jail authorities, following his release he was picked up by JuD members amid tight security with his current location not known.Prior to his release today, the LHC orders were confirmed with Chief Secretary Punjab Khizar Hayat Gondal, who provided the clearance for the JuD leader's release.However, a case against Lakhvi is still pending in the Islamabad High Court. The Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) had filed an appeal in the IHC in January seeking cancellation of the bail granted to Lakhvi by an anti-terrorism court (ATC) in Dec 2014. He had paid surety bonds worth Rs500,000 before he was released on bail at the time. If the IHC decides to cancel the bail granted to him by the ATC, he could be re-arrested.
Pakistan annuls India's criticism
Pakistan, while reacting to Indian remarks over Lakhvi’s release, said it would not be proper to cast aspersions on Pakistan’s commitment to countering terrorism at a time when Pakistan has entered a critical stage of defeating the menace of terrorism.Answering the concerns of Indian ministry spokesman, Foreign Office Spokesperson Tasneem Alsam reminded India that the case of Mumbai attack suspects is subjudice.She said “inordinate delay in extending cooperation by India complicated the case and weakened the prosecution”. "We respect the judicial process and are confident that it would serve the interest of justice," she said.Lakhvi is among the seven persons charged with planning and helping carry out the 2008 Mumbai attacks. The six other men facing trial in Adiala Jail for their alleged involvement in Mumbai attacks are Hammad Amin Sadiq, Shahid Jamil Riaz, Younas Anjum, Jamil Ahmed, Mazhar Iqbal and Abdul Majid.At the time of the attacks, Lakhvi was believed to be the operational head of the banned Laskhar-i-Taiba (LT) that has been accused by India of carrying out the attacks in India's financial capital.