Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2015

[Lisa]

CT Cap on,

Lakhvi is too hot to handle. Everybody knows him and wants him and he simply cannot be handed over. Death in a prison would not be possible as too many fingers would be pointed at fauj. He may yet meet a convenient accident now that he is out and this problem may accordingly come to an end for many interested parties.

[Tuvaluan]

OTOH, Lakhvi is a symbol of paki defiance and is also someone who is capable of holding leadership roles in Jihadi ops -- he will probably stop the farce of leading a plush life in prison to leading a plush life in some place that is not referred to as a prison. The paki fauj have deflected the blame of not joining the Saudi Yemen ops by blaming the "civilian govt." for deciding against the ops, so they are now free to create trouble in Afghanisthan and India, but the Saudis probably won't fund them, unless the pakis are sending troops in shalwars and civilian outfilts to get slaughtered in yemen, a la Kargil. Won't be the first time the paki fauj and civilian establishment played both sides to minimize fallout on the begging bowl collections.

[Falijee]

FO hands over demarche to Afghan envoy over murder of Pakistanis

Relations back to normal ?

Taliban/ ISI posing as merchants got hallaled?

[A_Gupta]

A book review of "The Upstairs Wife" by Rafia Zakaria.
http://indianexpress.com/article/lifest ... -everyday/
"The book moves backward and forward from 1986 in an ambitious attempt to capture Pakistan’s “intimate history”".

Journalistic set pieces or otherwise, Zakaria’s slices of life in Pakistan are always revealing. There is, for example, the delicious tale of how Hamida Bogra, wife of Mohammad Ali Bogra, third prime minister of Pakistan, started a campaign for women’s rights after her husband fell in love with his secretary, resulting in the country’s Muslim Family Law Ordinance.

[Agnimitra]

Christine Fair vents on WOTR. Nice read up.

groundhog-day-in-u-s-pakistan-relations

The United States generally, and the U.S. State Department in particular, seem perennially unwilling to grasp the realities of Pakistan. Refusing to recognize that Pakistan pursues ideological goals through the use of terrorism under its ever-expanding nuclear umbrella, the United States persists with the same strategy it has always used to handle the “Pakistan problem” – namely, attempt to induce better Pakistani comportment through handsome allurements. The most Panglossian American policy makers believe that there is some magical combination of rewards and engagement that, over some time horizon, will transform Pakistan from the regional menace it is today, into a state that is at peace with itself and its neighbors. The most pusillanimous of policy-making poltroons fret that should the United States curb its generosity and demand that Pakistan honor its varied commitments like any other responsible state, Pakistan may fail and the Islamist barbarians will knock down the nuclear gates with grisly consequences for humanity.

Fair is going for the US/SD are idiots and keep on being idiots premise, as she has always done. They are idiots in her eyes because they ignore her, and she is not an idiot because she can see what the idiots at the US/SD can't seem to see.

This kind of circularity is how a narcissistic person thinks, it is what we call paki-think here on BRF. She never asks, but what if the US/SD are not being idiots? What if, like all institutions, they are following a set pattern of behaviors that are grounded in some deep cultural beliefs and assumptions? We have discussed enough on BRF about what those cultural beliefs may be.

There is another dimension here besides Fair's narcissism. If the US/SD are not institutional idiots, then one possibility is that they are being evil--pursuing imperialistic hegemony at the cost of humanity's survival. That would be a tough lump of cognitive dissonance to swallow.

Goes well with her knee-jerk rage to any suggestion that the US connived in Pakistan's nuclear program and prevented others from following up on Xerox Khan's leads - as per statements of Dutch intel and several others. I thought Fair was being very disingenuous, but perhaps she is among those who think of America as an innocent Forrest Gump-like entity surrounded by people who are bad.

[Falijee]

Altaf's Change of Heart: Gifts for Imran, Rehan

Civil War Over ?
Bribing Immy to curry favours with Scotland Yard?


QUOTE : The jewelry set , however , remains at Nine Zero as Imran Khan did not visit the MQM headquarters during the Karachi visit

[shiv]

If the US/SD are not institutional idiots, then one possibility is that they are being evil--pursuing imperialistic hegemony at the cost of humanity's survival. That would be a tough lump of cognitive dissonance to swallow.

This may be the most likely explanation..Ultimately they don;t care and don;t see the risk to the US as being very high even if they keep an Islamist army with nukes propped up in Pakistan as the country around that army fails. At worst - in 10 or 20 years the Pakistan army will be a monster that will readily nuke India, but nit much else.

While the world agrees with India in that Pakistan should not use terror to achieve its aims, no one in the world argues that Pakistan should not use nuclear weapons to achieve its aims. The Pakistan army (and the RAPE class) face no consequences from pursuing a huge nuclear arsenal and keeping conflict with India simmering. That is the safety valve that spares everyone else from Pakistani mischief.

For India there are no easy solutions. We are big mainly because of population. A billion beggars have more dollars than one millionaire, so we are a business opportunity. Everything in India is a "profit waiting to be made". Sickness is an "opportunity" for health insurance; water supply is an "opportunity" for desalination/water conservation. Pakistani belligerence is doubly sweet because both sides are an "opportunity" for arms sales.

For India, Pakistan is like a 40kg backpack being carried by a marathoner. They (Pakis) know it too and gloat - to the chagrin of many Indians. The only option is to grow and stay ahead of Pakis while increasing the economic and military gap. The US has played exactly this game with the rest of the world for decades - i.e "staying ahead while increasing (or maintaining) and economic/military gap.

[Prem]

quote="KLNMurthy"]While the world agrees with India in that Pakistan should not use terror to achieve its aims, no one in the world argues that Pakistan should not use nuclear weapons to achieve its aims. The Pakistan army (and the RAPE class) face no consequences from pursuing a huge nuclear arsenal and keeping conflict with India simmering. That is the safety valve that spares everyone else from Pakistani mischief. For India there are no easy solutions. We are big mainly because of population. A billion beggars have more dollars than one millionaire, so we are a business opportunity. Everything in India is a "profit waiting to be made". Sickness is an "opportunity" for health insurance; water supply is an "opportunity" for desalination/water conservation. Pakistani belligerence is doubly sweet because both sides are an "opportunity" for arms sales.

Its short term game and gain for both Poakroaches and their Bossroaches.
This is where thousands of deployed Nukes come in play.Safety of the humanity will depend on how safe Indians feel from Nukes in the hands of islamist Flukes. Fourfathers and their Fourfathers' Fourfathers will be forced to make choice and think if they are willing to go in chill to fill the vacuum of vast space while Indians take rebirth and restart roaring, ruling all without challenge. Madmen require Madmencure using Mad Mad Methods to Manhandle them in submission.

[Falijee]

72 year old Mama Qadeer Baloch breaks record of Gandhi after 84 years

Note the name of the author of the farticle !
Someone needs to debunk this jehadi's tall claim ............ " of Gandhi after 84 years "

Quote: If justice was denied to him, then he will be forced to go to UN Human Rights Commission in Geneva

Incidently this Baloch Elder was refused permission to address a student gathering in Lahore this week !

[Tuvaluan]

The key is to make the paki jihadis, and I mean the ones not in the Paki army, take control of some nukes. That would change the game around and result in a lot of soiled underpants in DC and EU like it should be. But for any of this to happen, Pakistan needs more Islam. Inshallah, that is going to happen one way or another.

[Prem]

The key is to make the paki jihadis, and I mean the ones not in the Paki army, take control of some nukes. That would change the game around and result in a lot of soiled underpants in DC and EU like it should be. But for any of this to happen, Pakistan needs more Islam. Inshallah, that is going to happen one way or another.

Or They could buy from NOKO , getting reasonably good deal for few millions. No one will know if it has Paki, Cheeni or NOKO origin as they are all made in and born from same womb by same father.

[Tuvaluan]

Or They could buy from NOKO , getting reasonably good deal for few millions. No one will know if it has Paki, Cheeni or NOKO origin as they are all made on and born from same womb.

Why would they do that when the chinese hand it to them whenever the pakis ask for it? NoKo has already proliferated all the long-range DongFeng missiles, and now China is openly proliferating nuclear cruise missiles. The problem is that pakistan is more than likely nuke-nude, having a lot of Pu still only can make a dirty bomb -- their 1998 tests fizzled, so their designs do not work. The chinese need to hand it to them, via noko or whatever..that seems to be an implementation detail. OF course, the evil scum in the US SD are patting the chinese for their anti-proliferation efforts w.r.t. Iran...so it is a twisted reality.

What I am talking about is the wholesale jihadisation of all levels of the paki army that start to view the USA as the enemy and start passing around nukes to their jihadi friends around the planet.

[Prem]

No more proxy wars
http://tribune.com.pk/story/867805/no-more-proxy-wars/

This war does not belong to us, nor should we accept any role on any pretext that makes us part of the Saudi military offensive in Yemen. The risk of a ‘mission creep’ going beyond our control can also not be underestimated. A basic lesson of military history that we must not forget is that you never start or join a war unless you know how and when to exit from it. Our sole challenge at this critical juncture is not what we are required to do for others’ interests; it is what we ought to do to safeguard our own national interests. No more proxy wars.In the given situation, the only role we have is one of a peacemaker, not a combatant party on any pretext or under any compulsion. A legal premise must remain intact. No country, however powerful or dominant, should resort to the pre-emptive or preventive use of force or to punitive action unless it is authorised by the Security Council within the scope of Articles 42 and 51 of the UN Charter.

[Tuvaluan]

wha, pakis saying "no more proxy wars" with a straight face. that's precious. Especially, when they do not mean it when it comes to J&K and proxy wars against India.

[member_22733]

There is a very important role for Bakistan in this war and that is one of Beacekeeping. Here is how it should work:

1) Export a bunch of Sunnis to Barbaria to fight and die for the one who came from the dejjert.
2) Export a bunch of Shias to Yemen for the Barbarians to hunt and kill.

The Yemenis can kill the Sunni Baki cannon fodder. The Saudis can kill the Shia Baki cannon fodder. Baki army gets to keep the dollahs in the jernails pockets. That is the Nash Equilibrium condition for all of those involved. Everyone is happy and beaceful after doing their doctrine induced homicidal quota for the year.

[shiv]

No more proxy wars
http://tribune.com.pk/story/867805/no-more-proxy-wars/

This war does not belong to us, nor should we accept any role on any pretext that makes us part of the Saudi military offensive in Yemen. The risk of a ‘mission creep’ going beyond our control can also not be underestimated. A basic lesson of military history that we must not forget is that you never start or join a war unless you know how and when to exit from it. Our sole challenge at this critical juncture is not what we are required to do for others’ interests; it is what we ought to do to safeguard our own national interests. No more proxy wars.In the given situation, the only role we have is one of a peacemaker, not a combatant party on any pretext or under any compulsion. A legal premise must remain intact. No country, however powerful or dominant, should resort to the pre-emptive or preventive use of force or to punitive action unless it is authorised by the Security Council within the scope of Articles 42 and 51 of the UN Charter.

Cowards! I always knew Pakis were cowards. This is proof.

[chetak]

^^^^^^^

the fakers are impossibly trying to claw their fearful way up the slippery slope of the higher moral ground while simultaneously trying to cover their islamic asses for future income of their national culture of begging.

the saudis have finally seen the true colors of their "nuclear shield" providing paki brethren.

so the true arabic islamic warriors will have to slink back to the US with their thawbs fully lifted over their backs as is their normal international position.

truly gratifying.

[member_29040]

How come Great Arap descendants Porkies are not member of Arab league or even observer!!!
And Hindu Baniya enjoys observer status..
Are we Arap slaves hain ji???

[shiv]

The key is to make the paki jihadis, and I mean the ones not in the Paki army, take control of some nukes. That would change the game around and result in a lot of soiled underpants in DC and EU like it should be. But for any of this to happen, Pakistan needs more Islam. Inshallah, that is going to happen one way or another.

One thought I had is that the Pakistan army itself is getting gradually jihadized but is hiding it from the US. In one sense the US has a nuclear armed Sunni army to do its bidding in almost any sense except make peace with India. That latter condition is some thing the US accepts and never fails to mention as justification for the survival of the Pakistan army. The Paki army needs that excuse to remain strong and the US needs the same excuse to keep a strong Pakistan army on its side.

Islam is an interesting factor here because the same bestial violence that was perpetrated in Afghanistan has now been shifted to Syria and Iraq. Now we have people from European and Arab countries openly joining those jihadis as opposed to Pakistan who probably retain and advisory role.

All talk about the goodness and peace of Islam has petered out from Pakistan. They are going with the flow and trying to appear more moderate and secular. Pakistanis are no longer talking about fighting for Muslims. The army sponsored demonstrations with people carrying misspelled placards where they "condom violence" have been stopped completely. Pakistani media are working overdrive in projecting their robust anti-jihad and anti-violence response by publishing great images of women being given weapons training. Pakistanis in every forum across the internet are pushing these news items.

What this means, IMO is that the Taliban are not going to have a free run in Afghanistan as they did earlier. The Paki army has bowed its head and is accepting US hegemony, and the US has no intention of losing control. The Paki army may give the US the finger again as they have done in the past, but now we are back to status quo.

As an aside, I laugh with sadness at the way Indians mock India democracy. Once again we Indians wear the minds and bodies of Americans and Europeans (eg Norwegians) and judge ourselves by standard someone else sets. the problem with this is that we become totally blind to the fact that Pakistan is putting on a such a fine show of fake/sham democracy that the entire western world is lapping it up and patting itself on the back for having civilized one more country. Sad that we are unable to think independently.

[vishvak]

X-posting from 26/11 Post subject: Re: Mumbai Terrorist Attack-News stories and timeline:
viewtopic.php?p=1825956#p1825956

government failed to present sensitive records against him in the court.

This is true face of inbred terror munna of fourfathers.

The matlab of Pakistan is cesspool mafia that spawns rabid dogs targeted at different sections of civilized as per instructions of fourfathers. We must increase capabilities of asymmetric warfare as strategic weapons.

[Prem]

All India has to do is to ask Saudi if they need help, protection or other kind of support and see Paki Prostrating in front of Saudis to Run for Yemani Border where Houthi will carve them like the Japanese Sushi.

[partha]

As an aside, I laugh with sadness at the way Indians mock India democracy. Once again we Indians wear the minds and bodies of Americans and Europeans (eg Norwegians) and judge ourselves by standard someone else sets. the problem with this is that we become totally blind to the fact that Pakistan is putting on a such a fine show of fake/sham democracy that the entire western world is lapping it up and patting itself on the back for having civilized one more country. Sad that we are unable to think independently.

True saar. OT but have you seen this? -



India should not ban the Nirbhaya documentary because "free world" might issue a bad character certificate.

One can easily extend that to say, Kashmir - "What does the free world think of India today? As a democracy which values freedom or as a nation that suppresses the voice of innocent people with its military might?"

Pakistan nuked an Indian city and India mulling retaliation? No problem, it can be covered - "What does the free world think of India today? As a Gandhian democracy which values peace and non violence or as a nation which kills people using nukes?"

[Neela]

India should not ban the Nirbhaya documentary because "free world" might issue a bad character certificate.

One can easily extend that to say, Kashmir - "What does the free world think of India today? As a democracy which values freedom or as a nation that suppresses the voice of innocent people with its military might?"

Pakistan nuked an Indian city and India mulling retaliation? No problem, it can be covered - "What does the free world think of India today? As a Gandhian democracy which values peace and non violence or as a nation which kills people using nukes?"

Its a disease that has pervaded to all spheres - that much I can tell you. Not just the newspapers, now even educated aam-aadmi folk think that we must fit into the mould set by others.

[habal]

Is 'free world' a code for 'Schengen/EU/USA/Canada/Aus/NZ/Japan' visa ?

[Neela]

For India, Pakistan is like a 40kg backpack being carried by a marathoner. They (Pakis) know it too and gloat - to the chagrin of many Indians. The only option is to grow and stay ahead of Pakis while increasing the economic and military gap. The US has played exactly this game with the rest of the world for decades - i.e "staying ahead while increasing (or maintaining) and economic/military gap.

Saar, doesn't this give an impression that Hindus are slithering away from a fight? What emboldens Pak is that Indian response will only by within the realms of internationally agreed principles & dharma.
This is ok for Pakistan. It would be dumb to not realize that Pakis dont know what the Indian response will be and what they are willing to give up in case of a fight. Didnt they sacrifice their own in Kargil once they knew the game was over. ?
The Pakis have repeatedly needled us in our territtory.They are smart guys. They open several fronts. KAshmir, Sir Creek, Siachen etc . Now when India does not budge on one, they will jump to the next, keeping us on the backfoot. ( The Chinese are learning from Pakis see.... on top of the existing border issues, claims on Arunachal came into prominence in the last 10 years I think. ). Also, the loss of territory deals a blow to a nation's power projection...Aksai Chin's loss has scarred us permanently. Again this is our territorial loss which severely dents India's writ over its lands. It encourages others to be bold with us in the political sphere too.

We simply need to take the fight to Paki territory. And what a opportunity Balochistan is. This should be a test bed to hone our skills. An integrated approach using our diplomacy, intelligence and armed forces on a plan for Balochistan can be a great learning experience. Whatever energies that Pakistan spends should be on Balochistan and it will relieve pressure on us on other fronts. Paki crimes in Balochistan are far too great for it to become a blowback should India decide to intervene. Ignoring Pak (at the cost of loss of a few Indian lives now and then in the border) is a dangerous game. When they are down, you crush the throat with one leg and kick the teeth with the other. Sorry but this a catharsis that India needs to do to avenge so many lives lost and so many women violated in Bangladesh. Dushasana's crimes were miniscule in comparison.

[Murugan]

20 dead as gunmen attack workers in Pakistan

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/04/11 ... -pakistan/

[SSridhar]

UAE warns Pakistan of ‘heavy price for ambiguous stand’ on Yemen - DAWN

Pakistani lawmakers’ call for the government to remain neutral on the escalating crisis in Yemen has evoked a strong response from the United Arab Emirates (UAE).

“The vague and contradictory stands of Pakistan and Turkey are an absolute proof that Arab security — from Libya to Yemen — is the responsibility of none but Arab countries,” UAE’s Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Dr Anwar Mohammed Gargash said.

Speaking to renowned Emirati newspaper Khaleej Times, Garhash warned Pakistan of having to pay a “heavy price” for taking on what he called an “ambiguous stand”. He added that Pakistan should take a clear position “in favour of its strategic relations with the six-nation Arab Gulf cooperation Council”.


“The Arabian Gulf is in a dangerous confrontation, its strategic security is on the edge, and the moment of truth distinguishes between the real ally and the ally of media and statements,” Gargash tweeted moments after the Pakistani parliament passed the resolution insisting on neutrality in the Yemen conflict.

Gargash went to symbolise Pakistan’s resolution as equivalent of siding up with Iran instead of the Gulf. “Tehran seems to be more important to Islamabad and Ankara than the Gulf countries,” Gargash said.

“Though our economic and investment assets are inevitable, political support is missing at critical moments,” he added.

The Parliament on Friday passed a unanimous resolution, vowing to defend Saudi Arabia’s territorial integrity and the holy places of Makkah and Madinah. But none of these locations appear to have so far been threatened by the conflict.


“Pakistan should play a mediating role and not get involved in the fighting in Yemen,” the resolution stated, adding that “the Parliament of Pakistan ... underscores the need for continued efforts by the government of Pakistan to find a peaceful resolution of the crisis”.

“[Parliament] desires that Pakistan should maintain neutrality in the Yemen conflict so as to be able to play a proactive diplomatic role to end the crisis,” it stated.

The Saudi-led coalition launched air strikes against the Houthi rebels on March 26 in support of President Abedrabbo Mansour Hadi after they seized the capital and forced him to flee to Aden.

[partha]

3 BSF soldiers injured in Pak firing in Attari sector in Punjab! That's right, Punjab. I think the plan is to provoke and draw India into a small conflict along the IB and LoC and then tell KSA - "what to do onlee Yindoos keeping us busy, can't commit troops to Yemen war. If onlee Kashmir can be resolved.."

[KLNMurthy]

If the US/SD are not institutional idiots, then one possibility is that they are being evil--pursuing imperialistic hegemony at the cost of humanity's survival. That would be a tough lump of cognitive dissonance to swallow.

This may be the most likely explanation..Ultimately they don;t care and don;t see the risk to the US as being very high even if they keep an Islamist army with nukes propped up in Pakistan as the country around that army fails. At worst - in 10 or 20 years the Pakistan army will be a monster that will readily nuke India, but nit much else.

While the world agrees with India in that Pakistan should not use terror to achieve its aims, no one in the world argues that Pakistan should not use nuclear weapons to achieve its aims. The Pakistan army (and the RAPE class) face no consequences from pursuing a huge nuclear arsenal and keeping conflict with India simmering. That is the safety valve that spares everyone else from Pakistani mischief.

For India there are no easy solutions. We are big mainly because of population. A billion beggars have more dollars than one millionaire, so we are a business opportunity. Everything in India is a "profit waiting to be made". Sickness is an "opportunity" for health insurance; water supply is an "opportunity" for desalination/water conservation. Pakistani belligerence is doubly sweet because both sides are an "opportunity" for arms sales.

For India, Pakistan is like a 40kg backpack being carried by a marathoner. They (Pakis) know it too and gloat - to the chagrin of many Indians. The only option is to grow and stay ahead of Pakis while increasing the economic and military gap. The US has played exactly this game with the rest of the world for decades - i.e "staying ahead while increasing (or maintaining) and economic/military gap.

Just for my own clarity, let me try and sum up a brief outline of paki-usa-india triangle and show why I think Fair is wrong.

In 1947 Jinnah planned to cheat America and get money for his feudals by pretending to fight the Soviets. In 1970s feudals got American money by helping American Passage to China. In the 1980s they got paid by helping American war effort in Afghanistan. During all this time, feudals and their paki military pursued a dilettantish dream of gazwa e Hind but failed because they couldn't develop the needed aggressive warmaking skills--getting easy jaziya has a way of making you soft and ineffective.

However, their skill development effort turned in the direction of keeping up the jaziya revenues. The nuclear bomb came in handy for this: once they acquired nukes, they can obtain jaziya from America in perpetuity by threatening to let global Islamism have the bomb. America is paying Pakistan to threaten India with nukes instead of threatening America.

It is a perfectly rational choice on America's part, Fair doesn't understand that America can't call Pakistan 's nuclear bluff; America is too politically entangled in West Asia and it is too hard to track down and neutralize global Islamist nukes, it is much more practical and effective to pay Pakistan. That is why US /SD rightly ignores Fair's braying. Fair is narcissistic enough to think that her knowledge of Urdu and the US/SD's supposed ignorance of the same is what makes her wise and the US/SD stupid, whereas US/SD has been absolutely consistent throughout from 1947 till now, in taking care of Pakistan's demands, ignoring all other considerations. Fair would have it that for 68 years, Pakistan kept its real nature and intentions secret from America by the simple expedient of encoding it in Urdu, and finally she, Fair, came along and broke it all wide open by taking the time to learn Urdu.

On the Indian side, the threat is real and constant but won't materialize as long as the robber-victim relationship between Pakistan and the US continues. India doesn't have to do anything except to plan for the nuclear attack that will come when something or the other destabilizes that relationship. It is a matter of grave concern that India is neglecting to do this, probably because it has lost the civilizational drive to defend itself at all costs against all threats--for many centuries Hindus have only planned warfare within ancient templates.

As part of this relationship Pakistan tries to get America to get India to give it something to make it happy in its gazwa e hind project, which has by now turned into nothing more than an obsessive hobby. America tries to oblige by using its leverage--Indians who identify with American interests while despising their own country. Currently this leverage falls just short of enough. The leverage can be grown by the Christianization project; Modi's government unlike a UPA government doesn't support Christianization, therefore it must be demonized, fought and defeated.

[pankajs]

On the Indian side, the threat is real and constant but won't materialize as long as the robber-victim relationship between Pakistan and the US continues. {1.}India doesn't have to do anything except to plan for the nuclear attack that will come when something or the other destabilizes that relationship. It is a matter of grave concern that India is neglecting to do this, probably because it has lost the civilizational drive to defend itself at all costs against all threats--for many centuries Hindus have only planned warfare within ancient templates.

As part of this relationship Pakistan tries to get America to get India to give it something to make it happy in its gazwa e hind project, which has by now turned into nothing more than an obsessive hobby. America tries to oblige by using its leverage--Indians who identify with American interests while despising their own country. {2.}Currently this leverage falls just short of enough. The leverage can be grown by the Christianization project; Modi's government unlike a UPA government doesn't support Christianization, therefore it must be demonized, fought and defeated.

On pt 1. > Assuming a nuclear attack is inevitable some point in the future
1. India has fine-tuned its doctrine where even a small attack will invite a disproportionate response or something on those lines.
2. Second strike capability. (Primarily as deterrence for China but useful wrt Baki scenario)
3. BMD focus
4. Latest strategy of offensive defense (or is it defensive offense) that will take the fight to Bakis on their own land and surely some of the resources will be deployed to understand more about their nuke program, its deployment, etc.
5. A careful reading of Baki pronouncements tells me that Baki nukes are mainly for rent seeking from both American and India.

On Pt 2. > Westernization where we look at Indian and its issues from a western POV is the main culprit. Even Hindus buy a lot of the junk sold in the name of freedom, liberty, free speech, etc.

I have a feeling that the Baki nukes are mainly in control of the Chinese. So their use or not will depend entirely on the Chinese but that will not stop the Bakis from rent seeking from the Americans.

[ashish raval]

Pakistani lawmakers’ call for the government to remain neutral on the escalating crisis in Yemen has evoked a strong response from the United Arab Emirates (UAE).

This is puki way of saying support us on Kashmir which you have not and get the troops. Money alone does not make cut now a days. They have US khanbaba and China baby to give them what they need in return for few bullet practice in mountains. I think US is now caught up clutches of huge arms lobby whose sole purpose is to sell arms to keep their company open. As wars has wound down they are desperate to sell their weapons and want someone read US govt and taxpayers to pay for it. It seems to be wild wild west in US.

[K Mehta]

Klnm saar can you please post the Urdu stuff on the Urdu language thread in gdf? If any additional links are there post them as well. thanks.

[pankajs]

Saar, doesn't this give an impression that Hindus are slithering away from a fight? What emboldens Pak is that Indian response will only by within the realms of internationally agreed principles & dharma.

50%+ of the Baki programs devoted to defense matters / internal security will give you the impression that Indian/RAW is all over Bakistan and has a hand in every incident. In fact some program make it sound as if Bakistan is in a state of siege from within with liberal dose of Indian help.

Note that these are all urdu programs meant for the locals. That sound like Indians are doing a lot inside Bakistan including in FATA, Balochistan and Karanchi and this during MMS pappi-jhappi time. Modi/Doval doctrine would still be in the initial stages of development. That does not sound like slinking away from a fight.

[Altair]

PressTV-KSA bars Pakistani plane from airspace
A Boeing plane belonging to the Pakistani private airline Shaheen Air International
Saudi Arabia has reportedly prevented a Pakistani airplane from entering its airspace for not possessing the required documents allowing it into the kingdom’s skies.

Saudi officials on Friday denied a Shaheen Air International flight entrance after it failed to meet the safety standards set by the Saudi General Authority of Civil Aviation (GACA), Al Arabiya reported.

The Saudi move came after a request by the Pakistani carrier for obtaining the necessary documents in advance was rejected due to technical observations.

The Jordan-registered Boeing 767 is on loan to Shaheen Air. The plane’s registration bars it from entering European airspace.

It came after Pakistan's Parliament rejected a demand by Saudi Arabia to join its military aggression against Yemen recommending Islamabad to remain neutral in the conflict.

This is the second plane to be barred from entering Saudi airspace after Riyadh prevented an Iranian carrier with pilgrims on board two days ago allegedly for the same reason.

Iran is also among countries that oppose Saudi aggression of Yemen.

[JE Menon]

The key in "no more proxy wars" is the word "more". The existing ones will continue. Like the doc said: Cowards.

Nice play-acting between the GCC-Pakis meanwhile. As if anyone takes it seriously. They'll get some financial injections though. It's basically negotiation (if not plain drama to show the rest of the world how reluctant they are). They would support the Saudis if they had any common sense. What has Iran ever done for them? And, there is no way Tehran can replace the GCC as sugar-abba.

And be sure, back-channel warnings must be going on right about now on the Pakistani nuclear capability being transferred... Saudis are thinking WTF? What if we need it, do we trust these oiseaules? The oiseaules are thinking - if we give it will these twats give us the money after we are nuked by Iran? Should we ask for advance payment? Iran is wondering who should I nuke first, Pakis or Saudis?

Is a Sunni-Shia nuclear confrontation on the cards by 2025? Is allah akbar? Or is he an Armagandu? only the real god (pope says he's the father of Christ) knows.

Or perhaps he knows not...

[K Mehta]

i think all this is for show. Unofficially both uniformed and non uniformed tspa troops will be in Yemen.
They have received payments both in cash and kind for the same, as in lpg and backshish .Even the zulu viper delivery was for the same.

[menon s]

By asking for ‘Sunni soldiers’ Saudi Arabia is trying to divide Pakistan Army

http://nation.com.pk/blogs/05-Apr-2015/ ... istan-army

The Pakistan Army is roughly 70% Sunni and to deny deployment to the other 30% smacks of discrimination and favoritism. Do they believe that a professional military like Pakistan’s can’t see beyond their individual religious beliefs to fight for a unified, justified cause? If that is the case, then why ask Pakistan to send its armed forces?

some ***thias these Saudi barbarians!

[pankajs]

http://www.firstpost.com/world/a-free-l ... 92737.html
A free Lakhvi will assist Pak self-destruct: Our strategy should be 'talk, plot, wait'

The release of 26/11 mastermind and Lashkar-e-Taiba commander Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi is not something we should keep wringing our hands in despair about. Pakistan is never going to bring him to justice for the simple reason that he is a creation of the core Pakistani state – which is not civil society, but the army and the ISI.

The right response from India should be composed and collected, and run something like this: “While we are saddened by the release of Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, the man responsible for the killings of around 170 people in Mumbai in 2008, we acknowledge that the task of making him to pay for his crimes is currently that of Pakistan, in whose territory the 26/11 terrorist plot was hatched and master-minded. The evidence for his conviction for the crime of terrorism lies both in Pakistan and in India. If Pakistan wants to convict Lakhvi, it can find the evidence at home since the LeT, of which Lakhvi is commander, is based there. Preventive detention of Lakhvi without looking for and providing local evidence will always be subject to court scrutiny. We are thus not surprised that a court has set him free. India, for its part, will focus on bringing him to justice in India, whenever possible, as we have the evidence to nail him. India is always willing to provide the evidence to Pakistan, as we have done in the past. We will continue to talk to the government of Pakistan consistently and continuously to get justice done.”

India should accept that no court in Pakistan can keep a man in jail forever purely on the basis of preventive detention laws. And Lakhvi has spent nearly six or seven years in jail - with special privileges, including conjugal rights. This has been done largely for global optics, to show its US patron that it is hard on terror, when the reality is that Pakistan is mollycoddling the anti-India group of terrorists. Keeping Lakhvi in jail through political pressure is pointless. Ask yourself: if Lakhvi is a creation of the Pakistani state, why would the mere fact of his being in jail limit his ability to plot terror? Lakhvi can direct his next terrorist operation against India from prison, and he will even have plausible deniability on it. His alibi will be that he could not have plotted any terror since he was already in custody!

In fact, we should forget about getting the Pakistanis to nail him and instead find a way to nab him and bring him to justice in India - even if it takes five years to launch a covert operation for this. If nothing else, we should quietly leak stories suggesting that India has sent two assassination squads led by disaffected Baloch and Sindhi rebels to capture or kill him on our behalf. Let Lakhvi spend his remaining years worrying about his life instead of living it up in a fake prison. {Nothing doing. Why smear Baloch and Sindhi freedom fighters by labeling them as Indian agents? We should help the freedom fighters but quietly and behind the scenes. We are peace loving people wonlee.}

The one thing we should not do is keep bringing up Lakhvi's bail with Pakistan - which unfortunately we have done in a kind of Pavlovian response to his release yesterday (10 April). Nothing pleases the Pakistanis more than India displaying its impotence about 26/11's chief perpetrator. {Pavlovian response is necessary at the stage both from Indian politics pov and BJPs own hardline stance on the issue.}

The kneejerk political reaction to the Pakistani recalcitrance would be to suspend talks - but we should never do that. We should instead give Pakistan that privilege by persisting with talks all the time and frustrating them by yielding nothing substantive in these sessions. The sole purpose of talk is optics and more talk - to show the world we are reasonable people. Consider how long China has prolonged border talks without allowing any forward movement. Sometimes talk may yield results – in the form of easier visas, or more trade, but reciprocity should be the name of the game. Talking does not mean conceding more to Pakistan than what they are willing to concede to us. Talks will succeed only when the will of the Pakistani state to support terrorism against India is sapped or defeated. But there is no sign of that at all.

So, talk we must, even if we achieve nothing. In fact, we should use the Lakhvi release to launch the next round of talks where we can focus on terrorism and present our evidence again – but with the full knowledge that nothing will come of it. {Again I think we should launch talks but on a neutral issue and then take it forward to include terrorism. Starting talk on Lakhvi will look like bowing to pressure now.}

Remember Salman Bashir, former Pakistani ambassador to India? When he was foreign secretary, he had contemptuously dismissed the dossiers we presented on 26/11 as mere “literature.” Nothing thrills a Pakistani more than putting us down. So we should not give them further pleasure on this score.

The problem is we have allowed the Pakistanis to play the game their way – which is to keep lying and pretending they want a good relationship with us, and all that stands in the way is the Kashmir issue. We start believing that “this time it is different”, and we end up signing worthless agreements in Shimla, Lahore and Agra, which finally end in the dustbin. Pakistan talks only if it is in a difficult situation (9/11, 26/11), and once the immediate peril has passed, it reverts to its old jihadi strategy. {BTW, Shimla agreement is not worthless even if bilateral talks have not yielded any results.}

To be sure, India is not the only one making the same mistakes repeatedly. The US too has been led up the garden path by Pakistan, but the difference is we are next-door. America does not usually have to pay too high a price for its mistakes. We do. The idea that Pakistan is somehow an ally in the war on terror, and also a victim, has been repeatedly bought by foolish bureaucrats in the US state department – as evidenced in the recent decision to offer nearly $1 billion in military aid to buy attack helicopters and missiles. Are missiles going to be used against the Taliban or India?

The truth is Pakistan will not end its antagonism of India even if we offer them a deal on Kashmir. As C Christine Fair, author of a book on Pakistan’s army, said in an interview to The Times of India last year, "Pakistan is an ideological state. The Kashmir issue is not causal, it's symptomatic. If there were to be any kind of negotiation on Kashmir that gives up any inch of territory, it is not going to fix the situation."

In a more recent post, Fair notes that the Pakistanis have managed to paint themselves as victims of terror and suckered the US government to pour even more money into that terror headquarters. She notes that in return for nearly $31 billion in aid and transfers to Pakistan since the early 2000s, all the US got in return was the deaths of thousands of American, allied and Afghan soldiers and civilians due to covert Pakistani support for violent Islamic jihadis and the Taliban.

Terrorism is official state policy in Pakistan. She writes in a recent blog: “This sort of behaviour has become Pakistan’s standard operating procedure. Since 1947, Pakistan has used Islamist militants in an effort to wrest Kashmir from India. It has used Islamist militants in Afghanistan since 1974, if not earlier. Since 1990, Pakistan has introduced extremely lethal groups such as Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT, now operating under the name of its above-ground wing Jamaat-ud-Dawa, JuD) and Jaish-e-Mohammad into the Kashmir theatre and elsewhere in India. Since 2002, according to the Global Terrorism Database at the University of Maryland, these two groups have killed more than 1,132 persons and injured more than 2,423 in about 162 attacks.”

Fair, in fact, points out that Pakistan has developed tactical nuclear weapons not to defend itself, but to deter India from any kind of short-term reprisals when the next major terror attack is unleashed by the likes of Lakhvi and Masood Azhar. Put another way, it means Pakistan’s nuclear strategy is to enable terrorism, not defend the country.

It is time we woke up to this reality. Our simple Pakistan policy should be four-fold: talk, plot, defend, wait. We should talk endlessly and use soft words to describe the possibility of solving all our mutual issues, including poverty, terrorism, etc. We should plot more covert operations and gather intelligence in Pakistan, and especially against the likes of LeT and Lakhvi. We should defend ourselves as best we can against terrorism - but it will never be foolproof. And we should wait. Give Pakistan 15-20 years and its blind hatred of India can only lead to some form of self-destruction.

As counter-terrorism expert Ajai Sahni wrote in Firstpost last month: “From a geo-strategic perspective, as far as India is concerned, Kashmir is a holding operation, even in the absence of an effective competitive strategy. If India holds on to Kashmir for another 15 or 20 years, Pakistan will destroy itself, even without India doing anything substantial to secure this end.”{Giving timeframe is dicey}

We should wait for Pakistan to self-destruct – unless, through an unexpected miracle, it corrects itself and truly wishes peace. But when 9/11 did not change Pakistani attitudes, I would not bet even one paisa on this possibility.

Let’s be clear. We have no stake in keeping Pakistan united when the Lakhvis, the LeTs, the Jaishes and the Taliban are busy rending it apart. A Lakhvi outside jail won’t be able to plot any more anti-India terror than what he could have done anyway from jail.

We will serve our own interests better if we let Pakistan implode under the weight of its own contradictions. Lakhvi will get it there faster.

After a quick read, I have minor disagreement with the details but overall I agree with him. Some quick points

1. He does not dwell on *plot* but we all have an idea what it is in the context of the offensive defense (or is is defensive offense) doctrine of Doval. I hope it has a nuke intelligence angle too.
2. We must use the release to paint the Bakis black on all international forums and with all foreign interlocutors. This should help us push back on pressure to do more in the baki context.
3. We must help the bakis destroy bakistan by a) Doval doctrine b) Growth gap that will force the BakMil to grab more and more of their internal resources allowing more and more areas to sink into chaos faster.
4. *India has no stake in keeping Bakistan united* in itself is a very apocalyptic statement for Bakistan. It should never be endorsed by GOI or its ministers or its the state organs. But believe me such a statement from mango and intellectuals crowd will cause the bakis to brown their salwars. We all have been fed this myth by our intellectuals and foreigners that a disintegrating bakistan will be very dangerous for India and that has allowed them a lot of cover (Out of sympathy in some case and out of fear of the unknown in most cases).

[Falijee]

UAE warns Pakistan of 'heavy price for ambiguous stand ' on Yemen

No more houbara hunting?

[Falijee]

Foreign Office blames India for Lakhvi's release

How more ridiculous can you get !!