Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2015

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 14 Apr 2015 14:18

SS,

this post:

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 9#p1828219

is an absolute effing masterpiece. So much clarity in so few paragraphs. I have an idea. This has to be exploited to generate shalwar shivers, maximum khulji and ultimately vigorous inner jihad.... I shall contact you via usual channel.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 14 Apr 2015 15:33

Look Bakistanis what your Army and Government is allowing inside your borders. Be prepared for more Osama-bil-Laden type of raids and perhaps an attempt to snatch the your nukes.

Start @ 3:50

Seems there are 7000+ Americans troops inside the US embassy in Bakistan?!! What are Americans troops doing inside Bakistan? Is this an attempt to turn Bakistan into a US colon-e? Are they there to snatch the nuclear weapons of Bakistan?

Note to Jagannathan > This is the kind of news that needs to be brought to the attention of aam apduls along with some legitimate questions.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Apr 2015 16:16

JEM, you have PM

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 14 Apr 2015 16:28

shiv wrote:There have been warnings of possible LeT attacks in Delhi and now in Mumbai in the last few days. A terror attack in India and an Indian reaction would be the perfect excuse for Pakistanis to skip sending troops to Soothia

If there is an LeT attack on India, then Mr Eleven will likely postpone his state visit; no?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 14 Apr 2015 16:31

FYI, from the NYTimes Lens (photography section)
http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/04/1 ... -pakistan/

Most photographs in Pakistan depict something awful or its immediate aftermath: suicide bombings, a horrible earthquake, even more horrible floods, unimaginable grief. The Spanish photographer Diego Ibarra Sánchez, who made Pakistan his home for five years, saw something different amid all the tragedy: hope.

His latest project, called “Resilience, Pakistan,” is the culmination of small moments from his time there, until he left in 2014 after visa problems and intimidation by the country’s main spy agency. Mr. Ibarra divided this work into two categories: “Nightmare,” for the kind of images one expects from Pakistan, and “Hope,” for less frequently seen images of daily life, like a taxi driver in his car at night, young men playing pool, even a model at a fashion show.

Pakistan can be a maddening place to be a foreign journalist, as much of one’s effort goes toward figuring out how to work despite efforts by the government and the ISI to control stories and news events. It is a country where journalists are constantly followed, where they can be kicked out for seemingly innocuous reasons, where the daily grind of shaking someone from ISI can range between humorous and scary.

symontk · Post by **symontk** » 14 Apr 2015 16:37

ArmenT wrote:It will be interesting times if Hafiz Saeed supplies the manpower, especially if they are sent to Saudis via ship (since I doubt they'll want to use expensive airplanes to transport the unwashed rabble). Pakistanis can't use a warship to transport/escort them, because then they'll be accused of using military hardware to support terror groups. All the USN or IN have to do is wait for the ship to leave port and then sink it. After all, it is filled with people who are members of a banned terror group, so it is a perfectly legit target and it isn't an act of war against Pakistan to sink it .

You wish against the wish, right? Do you really think US will sink a ship with LET folks going to find Houthi "terrorists"? Think about the Saudi-US links, War against "Terrorism"

My reading of the tea leaves is that Pakistan is on a strong wicket here for next ten years. They will get hold of Makka and Medina while Saudi force's spent their time fighting Houthis for next decade. Shia - Sunni relation issues in Pakistan will reduce since most of the Sunni terrorists will be busy in SA. USA will provide mouth fulls of F-16 / F-18 / F22 / P3C / Frigates / Abrams to fight Houthis. Plus donation from UAE and SA will be there. If Pakis are able to dislodge Bangla and India workers from Gulf and put theirs there, it will be icing on the cake

Please see all the current events as maneuvering like Musharaf did with Bush

Now after 10 years, back to square one and they will have to wait for another crisis

symontk · Post by **symontk** » 14 Apr 2015 16:41

A_Gupta wrote:
shiv wrote:There have been warnings of possible LeT attacks in Delhi and now in Mumbai in the last few days. A terror attack in India and an Indian reaction would be the perfect excuse for Pakistanis to skip sending troops to Soothia
If there is an LeT attack on India, then Mr Eleven will likely postpone his state visit; no?

Terror attacks in India will again start once Pakistan gets the Saudi / US confirmation of funds and military goods. Remember 2001 December and then series of attacks from 2005 onwards until 2008

And no this time, India will get serious warnings not just from US but from SA too. because Munna cannot be touched since they are part of Coalition against Terrorism

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 14 Apr 2015 16:42

arun wrote:
Shreeman wrote:Pakistan:LeT doesnt exist. JuD doesnt exist. Cashmere, cashmere..
Readers here: We dont believe a word you say.

Pakistan: We have nothing to do with Talipan.
Readers here: Hehe. Right, thats strategic depth for you. Bend over.

Pakistan: We are not sending no troops to SA.
Readers here: Wow, bakis are not doing what SA is asking them to do.

Why?
You are right about the “Cashmere” card being played by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan .

Editorial in the Gulf News on the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s duplicitious rejection providing help to their UAE and Saudi Arabian patrons in Yemen states :

Gulf News has learned from Pakistani sources that Islamabad’s decision was taken on the pretext of “current threats to Pakistan itself because of the Kashmir conflict, India’s growing defence capabilities and the situation on the Iran border.”
Pakistan failed to take the right call : It is perplexing that Islamabad doesn’t recognise the dangers posed by the Iranian proxy wars in our region

Arun,

The right things must be said. Just like Kargil/NLI. Or pick your war.

There hasnt been a war in Arap states where bakis have not "covered themselves with glory" in borrowed planes and tanks. This one is no different.

Its a matter of things coming out. Not things happening.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 14 Apr 2015 16:44

I am expecting sooner or later, that there will be voices raised to put the custodianship of the two mosques under some international Islamic body, thus removing Sauds from their source of power (that is except Oil).

Once the Sauds are removed from custodianship, then one can see even more knives coming out, trying to take control of Oil.

Aren't "neutral" Muslims like Pakistanis going to selected by others to guard the two holy mosques? They wish!

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 14 Apr 2015 16:45

^^^ Nope. Thats not how the world works.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 14 Apr 2015 16:46

Shreeman wrote:^^^ Nope. Thats not how the world works.

Wait till the West again uses the Iranians and Turks to put pressure on the Saudis.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 14 Apr 2015 16:56

Turks are election bound. Erdogan is such a kook that he will never get any real role in anything. Iranians are off on a tangent. If they have learnt anything, it is not to put their eggs in any one basket. Egyptians and the rest have problems farther west and north. Syria no longer exists. Iraq is a basket case. The banana sheikhdoms have no power.

Hole-i-site schmolisite.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Apr 2015 17:19

RajeshA wrote:I am expecting sooner or later, that there will be voices raised to put the custodianship of the two mosques under some international Islamic body, thus removing Sauds from their source of power (that is except Oil).

I doubt this will ever occur. The only countries with the military power to execute this are Iran, Pakistan and Turkey. Iran is out. Turkey has its own problems. Pakistan will agree and even offer to do this but they are black non Arabs. Second class Muslims - born to be servants.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 14 Apr 2015 18:01

Shiv, your assumption that Soothia Gobaria is a monolothic one, is off track. You are the one who rightly pointed out the jillions of misshapen, subalterns of Bakistanis, who are kept invisible. Gobaria is no different and infact their perverted laws are to keep them invisible. I mean, even beyond the Shunni (shia-sunni) divides, there are lots of provincial angst against one family of a province, riding roughshod under the guise of puritanish streaks.

FWIW, based on chai-biskoot with local Lambodharans of Arabia: the Hejaz people have considered themselves TFTA, compared to the sand-wipers of Nejd. They never liked being called "Property of the Soothiyas" from Nejd. So the chances of the two cities being hived off is high, if khan decides to get the frack out of there. Since the ibn Saud days, the family is fractured and the country has pockets of deep anger.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 14 Apr 2015 18:04

shiv wrote:
RajeshA wrote:I am expecting sooner or later, that there will be voices raised to put the custodianship of the two mosques under some international Islamic body, thus removing Sauds from their source of power (that is except Oil).
I doubt this will ever occur. The only countries with the military power to execute this are Iran, Pakistan and Turkey. Iran is out. Turkey has its own problems. Pakistan will agree and even offer to do this but they are black non Arabs. Second class Muslims - born to be servants.

I think one of the reasons why Gulf Arabs are not so happy with Erdogan is his support to Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. What Erdogan was looking for is an Arab partner for his Khalifah plans. Muslim Brotherhood may have taken a hit in Egypt, but they are not out. They will rise again.

In the meantime, Turkey has been going after Assad, and more importantly Turkey has become an important conduit for ISIS logistics and fighters. In the end fighters don't really care about where the money is coming from, only that they are getting it, and they look at who hands it to them.

So Erdogan has Muslim Brotherhood and ISIS on his side. That is enough to build on.

Pakistan has a very very soft corner for Turks, and may in fact go with them if they seem like winning.

Iranians also feel far more comfortable with Turks, even though they are Sunni. If Egypt had remained under Muslim Brotherhood, Saudis would have been in far more trouble.

All this is however for the long term!

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 14 Apr 2015 18:05

Hakimji,
India can enforce this or atleast trigger a serious discussion on this - whenever relationship with KSA sours. India will soon have the world's largest muslim population. If Bangladesh and Malaysia join the chorus, it would become a very rational call and we can rope in several African countries with similar view point. I haven't thought through what if any benefits we could realize out of this.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 14 Apr 2015 18:41

shiv wrote:There have been warnings of possible LeT attacks in Delhi and now in Mumbai in the last few days. A terror attack in India and an Indian reaction would be the perfect excuse for Pakistanis to skip sending troops to Soothia

You have a vantage point. Pakis must be mighty miffed at you posting from the location that you are at.

Location:Ban computer chips that use pork in them

Om NaMo Shivah

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 14 Apr 2015 18:43

Paki elites have a soft corner for two historic imagery of the early 1900s - The bicchar of Prussian Triumvirate (Bismark, Roon and elder von Moltke) and Kemal Ataturk's three-piece(some kind of sweaty-pig fetish?)

Every baki leader from Djinnah to Mushy, likes to take a bicchar of themselves in the composition of one of these two photos. The civvies are inclined to go with Ataturk and hence to this day, you see a fat-badmash talc himself into western suits. The pro-western khakis go with the prussian photo and preens themselves with sashes et al, "Bismillahu Bismark" et al embroidered to their sorry asses, for the junior officers to see during lip-chap excersizes (promotion reviews)

I suspect people like Khaled Ahmed, must have seen these two photos hanging around in isloo, because he once wrote an interesting piece in Fridin Times on Bismark, Attaturk et al. And then I started noticing the occasional surfacing of these two names

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 14 Apr 2015 18:46

Guys, came across another useless anal-yis on pee-pee-c on nuclear tensions in sooth asia (there was another recently from NYT which was posted here and discussed). Leaving aside the absolving of TSP's brazen nuke threats by casting it as a sooth asia problem, meaning as well know the need to make both India and TSP nuke nude and be good US munnas, but even TSP's habitual use of pigLeTs to trigger a crisis is case is given a very benign spin:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-south-asia-32289368

It is a potentially lethal addition to the cocktail of territorial disputes and cross-border terrorism. The capacity of other world powers to influence the situation is hampered by the fact that neither India nor Pakistan belong to the NPT.

Pakistan's economic and political instability also poses huge and troubling questions. The country is persistently challenged by militant groups and fears persist that these groups could get their hands on nuclear materials, despite strong insistence from Pakistani officials that its nuclear facilities are secure.

Which cross border is this talkiing about? The border between sooth asia and Mars? And who are the dispatchers of the terrorists?

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 14 Apr 2015 18:48

SS, I have replied.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 14 Apr 2015 18:56

symontk wrote:
Terror attacks in India will again start once Pakistan gets the Saudi / US confirmation of funds and military goods. Remember 2001 December and then series of attacks from 2005 onwards until 2008

ISI mouthpiece and Begum beater's whose rants were posted a few days ago all but reveled impending pigLeT attacks because of ModiJi's alleged "persecution of Muslims".

And no this time, India will get serious warnings not just from US but from SA too. because Munna cannot be touched since they are part of Coalition against Terrorism

Once pigLeT attacks do happen, it sure will test ModiJi, thats for sure. Previous warnings or threats or charm offensives from TSP's 3.5, especially US, led to meek surrender by the likes of MMS and Vajpyee before. Remains to be seen how ModiJi will respond. My gut feel is that given his response along LoC, I doubt TSP will raise the pigLeT temperature to anything as heinous as 26/11, there will be some low level probing attacks to signal to India that TSP exists.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 14 Apr 2015 20:09

Via Xinhua:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015- ... 150395.htm

A nationwide terror alert has been issued in India, particularly in Mumbai, following intelligence inputs of a possible attack by Pakistan-based banned militant outfit Lashkar-e-Toiba, sources said on Tuesday.

According to the sources, intelligence agencies warned that terrorists may storm hotels and railway stations in Mumbai, on the lines of 2008 terror attacks, after entering the country's financial capital by sea-route.

The alert has now been extended to all Indian states, they added.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 14 Apr 2015 20:18

chaanakya wrote:
shiv wrote:There have been warnings of possible LeT attacks in Delhi and now in Mumbai in the last few days. A terror attack in India and an Indian reaction would be the perfect excuse for Pakistanis to skip sending troops to Soothia
You have a vantage point. Pakis must be mighty miffed at you posting from the location that you are at.

Location:Ban computer chips that use pork in them
Om NaMo Shivah

Sir, next generation computers will have bio chips. Same principle as human brain,but nerons will be covered iby thin layer of pig fat. So hakim saab is right afterall.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 14 Apr 2015 21:16

Sit - in outside Imran Khan`s residence

The Great White ? Hope of Pakistan !

See the picture - Aam Abduls enjoying the mela like atmosphere!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Apr 2015 21:18

rsingh wrote: Sir, next generation computers will have bio chips. Same principle as human brain,but nerons will be covered iby thin layer of pig fat. So hakim saab is right afterall.

Not me. Another forum member here (Shreeman) has done cutting edge work on AI. He had a really sharp knife when he slaughtered a pig to collect the pig fat as insulation.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 14 Apr 2015 21:21

Pig fat actually increases the speed of neural electric discharge. Sort of acting like myelin sheath.

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 14 Apr 2015 22:30

JE Menon wrote:>>other than the 'india involved in balochistan' thing, has she made any other deliberate lies about india?

About the balochistan thing, as far as I'm concerned she made up for that when she said she was a personal fan of our NSA - if for nothing else, for the intense khulji that must have given the various Pakisatans flitting about teh interwebs.

On a serious note, the mohtarma cuts loose like no one else on the Pakisatans. And because she's white, our media give her more credibility because, in fact, they are largely the idiots that they project their audience to be.

So long as she contributes positively towards the explanation of the Pakisatan to the rest of the world, this motorhammer is cool by me.

Are we really sure she has "lied" on it?

The fact that she's a fan of Doval is interesting in that context.
I replied with 'Can you survive without tit for tat?'

Personally I think she may have exaggerated. We may have a "tiny" role which she presented like a "small" role.

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 14 Apr 2015 22:39

shiv wrote:There have been warnings of possible LeT attacks in Delhi and now in Mumbai in the last few days. A terror attack in India and an Indian reaction would be the perfect excuse for Pakistanis to skip sending troops to Soothia

Mere incident won't cut it. That would need serious escalation at border.
And it would be like hugging a tiger to save self from a bear.
I doubt Pakistanis have the guts to play so high right now.

Regards,
Virendra

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 14 Apr 2015 22:44

RajeshA wrote:Pakistan has a very very soft corner for Turks, and may in fact go with them if they seem like winning.

Doesn't a Paki close up with Turks boost MB and ISIS in Af-Pak, thereby render entire Talib spectrum weak/redundant?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Apr 2015 23:40

Folks a little bit of history.

During the Iran-Iraq war of the 80s the KSA paid for Paki troops to be stationed in KSA. Ostensibly to defend the M&M. The fear was Iran would over run Saddam. In later 80s the Iraqis were getting routed (before the war of cities with scuds) and KSA wanted to send the Paki troops to the frontlines. The Pakis refused claiming they were there to defend the haramian and not the haramzadas. KSA then threw them out saying if they cant fight the Iranians there was nothing to defend in M&M. This happened in Dec 1987 time frame. At that time thanks to Rajiv Gandhi idiocy IPKF was in full swing and so there was apprehension in Dilli that the returning Pakis could become reserve troops for TSP to create problems with an IPKF pre-occupied India. Rajaram might be able to throw more light.

Now also KSA wants TSPA to fight the Houthis in Yemen.

The Unfair article of Hafiz Suar exhorting Pakis to deploy in Yemen and the next day Intel reports of Mumbai 26/11 type attacks redux shows now TSPA has done a business case analysis and wants to weasel out of Yemen deployment by creating a situation with India.
A few pages ago I had wondered if this will come about. Looks like its coming about.

So Dovalji will have another boat incident and defuse the situation to allow TSP to Westward Ho!!!!

partha · Post by **partha** » 14 Apr 2015 23:45

ramanaji, wasn't the disagreement about Saudi demand that Pak army send only Sunni soldiers?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Apr 2015 23:49

Did we post the news that the terror boat of Dec 31 2014 owner was a Paki called Imam Bheel?

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 15 Apr 2015 01:25

shiv wrote:
rsingh wrote: Sir, next generation computers will have bio chips. Same principle as human brain,but nerons will be covered iby thin layer of pig fat. So hakim saab is right afterall.
Not me. Another forum member here (Shreeman) has done cutting edge work on AI. He had a really sharp knife when he slaughtered a pig to collect the pig fat as insulation.

I knew this would pop up sooner or later.

For those genuinely interested, the word is lubricant. The semiconductor industry is probably the most automated industry. Check up on what lubricates the machine tools.

Then checkup on cleaning agents. Then check up on packaging. Then check up on calcium and bone charcoal use in basic processes for raw materials.

Most industries are about as hung up about whether there is lard in the cooking fat as whether a machine lubricant comes from animal sources.

The pig (due to insane popularity of bacon in the west) is the source of more raw materials and appears in more processes, and parts than you can imagine.

Shaking hands in the morning? Ask your TFTA boss what they had for breakfast first.

Ignorance of whether their is lard in your roti or rennin in your yogurt is not limited to SDRE. The TFTA bakis are consuming pigs exclusively even when it is not hot and sour tianjin pork courtesy of the tarrel than mountain fliends.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Apr 2015 01:30

I knew a Paki ~30 years ago who had a book (published in US) that listed all products containing pig bye -products. He used to consult that at the vending machine!!!

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 15 Apr 2015 01:47

ramana wrote:I knew a Paki ~30 years ago who had a book (published in US) that listed all products containing pig bye -products. He used to consult that at the vending machine!!!

Yep. Going to a halal store does not equal piety. If you want to be religious, then its your job to figure out which direction mecca is from where you are.

There arent any websites. There is no halal equipment checker or process checker like there is for kosher. The jews, for all their faults, only dont eat the pigs. If pigs could fly, they would gladly tie a bomb to a few beforesending them to west bank, gaza, syria, kebanon, iran, bakistan.

The faithful though, cant eat from a spoon, if the plastic spoon was polished using pig by products. Whose responsibility is it to find out if this is the case?

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 15 Apr 2015 01:57

ramana wrote:I knew a Paki ~30 years ago who had a book (published in US) that listed all products containing pig bye -products. He used to consult that at the vending machine!!!

and i know one who ate pepperoni pizza in the first week of FOB and later when he knew about it..he said screw it, its delicious i am gonna keep eating

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 15 Apr 2015 02:28

Gus wrote:
ramana wrote:I knew a Paki ~30 years ago who had a book (published in US) that listed all products containing pig bye -products. He used to consult that at the vending machine!!!
and i know one who ate pepperoni pizza in the first week of FOB and later when he knew about it..he said screw it, its delicious i am gonna keep eating

Gus,

Yes, absolutely. It is a choice. I know vegetarians who eat fish. Hindus who dont mind beef. And plenty who are religious only on Tuesdays. Why shouldnt it be manadted that pig products are labeled and disclosed. Dont want to? Then stop using them.

Beef in a vegetarian patty or pork in biryani is not kosher.

But this is not the point. The point is suppression of information. Bakis do not want to be within miles of the swine. And they arent being told when they are carrying pig skin in theirbpockets, their feet, their food, their money, or

their computers.

The west is in the habit of filing lawsuits on the slightest amount of peanut dust in their food, even if you are not allergic to it.

As long as the religion is changed to permit equal misuse of swine, fine. If you partake in a murtad fadhion, fine. But there is no excuse for actively hiding the use of swine by products where they do not belong.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 15 Apr 2015 02:54

Check from 1:50 onwards - Ejaz Haider wants Pakistan to control Mecca and Madina.

Ejaz Haider says Harmain Sharif is already under threat of Houthis and if since saudis inspite of their Defense Budget is incapable of defending themselves and are asking for Pakistani help to deal with situation in Yemen, then control of Mecca and Madina which are international cities (they do not belong only to Saudi Arabia) should be handed over to an International Islamic force led by Pakistan!!!!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Apr 2015 04:59

ramana wrote:Did we post the news that the terror boat of Dec 31 2014 owner was a Paki called Imam Bheel?

Didn't see it if it was posted

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 15 Apr 2015 07:23

ramana wrote: Now also KSA wants TSPA to fight the Houthis in Yemen.

The Unfair article of Hafiz Suar exhorting Pakis to deploy in Yemen and the next day Intel reports of Mumbai 26/11 type attacks redux shows now TSPA has done a business case analysis and wants to weasel out of Yemen deployment by creating a situation with India.
A few pages ago I had wondered if this will come about. Looks like its coming about.

So Dovalji will have another boat incident and defuse the situation to allow TSP to Westward Ho!!!!

I am afraid that the threat may not be just to Indian interests in our mainland. Our embassies and interests in Afghanistan should also be extra vigilant. With neutralization of several SIMI modules, bangla terror sleeper cells in India and early detection of Srilanka based 26/11 type plot, Pukis tactical options might be limited than it used to be in the past.

Anyways, with some Puki calling for Pukistan to take management / security of M & M, they may have pushed the buttons of Saudies. If they cannot go westward, they can kiss goodbye to free oil and expect all their expat labor force in the gulf to get kicked out sooner than later. The expat remittances are keeping Puki economy afloat in addition to dole outs from the three and a half. With KSA pulling out, Pukis will be left with just two and a half fathers!

KSA breaking off its sponsorship of TSP would be the best possible outcome. Nothing enrages an Arab than backstabbing which Pukis are indulging in now after accepting the Saudi dole outs with both hands. Pukis are doomed if they go and doomed if they don't!