Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2015

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 19 Apr 2015 10:10

Paul wrote:Liaqat Ali Khan's wife ........... Her family were Pant Brahmins who first converted to ROL and she converted to ROP to marry Liaqat. ............

OT- Well that's something new I learned today. I don't know there were ROL converts amongst Kumaoni Brahmins, but perhaps it "makes sense' given that the British administered Kumaon, and Pant family were prominent in the region. Incidentally, from one of those branches also emerged Govind Ballabh Pant ji.

Begum Ra'ana Liaquat Ali Khan = Sheila Irene Pant, well that's something to tell a Kumaoni next I meet one.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 19 Apr 2015 10:11

Gus wrote:All discussion is worthless without a pic of said motorham - and analysis of pic can then determine whether vija be granted or not.

Undeed, this is a very valid point - i.e. the manner of determining whether visa be granted, or not. In the latter case perhaps the real address of the Canadian High Commission may be provided.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 19 Apr 2015 13:55

A_Gupta wrote:^^^Xinhua announcement.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015- ... 160189.htm

BEIJING, April 17 (Xinhua) -- Chinese President Xi Jinping will visit Pakistan next week

Recommended frequency for visit to Paikhanistan is once daily. Poor Mrs 11 Gins must be coping with some serious odour issues.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 19 Apr 2015 14:16

SSridhar wrote:I am seeing a metamorphosis among Indian 'aanlysts'. Many, who would normally ridicule advocacy of a tougher stand against Pakistan, have all of a sudden made a U-turn. I have never seen such a list of articles saying that Pakistan is incorrigible and 'nuff is 'nuff. Even The Hindu has an editorial and an article along the new line ! What a change, pleasant though to read for a change.

Waving the Wrong Flag - Edit, The Hindu
No More Carrots, Only Sticks

I think the BJP being part of a PDP led government in Kashmir has a lot of folks inside Kashmir, rest of India and Bakistan unsettled. It also has many outside the region equally clueless and wondering what next. Massive khujli all around.

In a sense the unimaginable has happened and must be rolled back ASAP (From the POV of p1ss loving Kashmiri, Sickular Indians, Presstitute, Bakistani and the nosy outsiders). So anything that creates a fissure between BJP/PDP is being fanned. Anything that pushes the current J&K government to the brink is being pushed. No wonder the doves have turned hawks while the Hawks in popular perception (BJP) have turned doves.

It is no metamorphosis but a tactical move by each side. What we must never forget is that till the central gov is in the hands of BJP it will always have the whip hand in Kashmir. While I might not agree with BJP on each issue wrt Kashmir I do not worry about hiccups precisely for that reason.

kittoo · Post by **kittoo** » 19 Apr 2015 15:42

Comes from Paki sources so we should take them with a pinch of salt, but if true, I am kind of flabbergasted. I get it that Russia is trying to invest in other countries as it gets isolated in Europe, but seriously? Would they risk being in bed with Pakistan, at the cost of India?

http://www.firstpost.com/world/russia-t ... 02634.html

Challenge to India as Russia to invest $2 Billion to Build Energy Pipeline in Pakistan

The latest example of Russia-Pakistan bonhomie is the news emanating from Islamabad that Russia has agreed to invest $2 billion in Pakistan to build an 1100-km-long energy pipeline from Karachi to Lahore to transport liquefied natural gas.

Pakistan Petroleum Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi was quoted by Pakistani daily Express Tribune as saying thus on 18 April: "Pakistan and Russia have finalized an LNG pipeline deal in a recent meeting in Moscow and the two countries will sign a government-to-government basis deal next month."

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 19 Apr 2015 15:55

kittoo wrote:Comes from Paki sources so we should take them with a pinch of salt, but if true, I am kind of flabbergasted. I get it that Russia is trying to invest in other countries as it gets isolated in Europe, but seriously? Would they risk being in bed with Pakistan, at the cost of India?

http://www.firstpost.com/world/russia-t ... 02634.html

Challenge to India as Russia to invest $2 Billion to Build Energy Pipeline in Pakistan

The latest example of Russia-Pakistan bonhomie is the news emanating from Islamabad that Russia has agreed to invest $2 billion in Pakistan to build an 1100-km-long energy pipeline from Karachi to Lahore to transport liquefied natural gas.

Pakistan Petroleum Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi was quoted by Pakistani daily Express Tribune as saying thus on 18 April: "Pakistan and Russia have finalized an LNG pipeline deal in a recent meeting in Moscow and the two countries will sign a government-to-government basis deal next month."

Why is it a thing against India? The Russians are free to risk their capital and people in Pakistan or elsewhere. Russian LNG vs Iran gas does not compute. The delivered price, the re-gasification at Karachi are big bucks.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 19 Apr 2015 16:19

Err,
How many times have we seen Al Baki TV anchors, Gormint afsars, faujis saying that muslim umma is naat siding with Bakistan in its hour of need hain ji?
Now Bakistan is naat siding with muslim umma in its hour of need !!!
Bakistan is naat siding with one of its main founding four-father - the original land of pin Qasim !!!!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 19 Apr 2015 16:25

Bakistan for sure has already sent several troops of LET and Pakjabi jihadis.
There were already several LET/Pakjabi caders serving with ISIS and engaged in culling Shias.

Isloo/Pindi/Muridke can ask them to travel to yemen, and KSA can provide them safe passage.

The urdu press is saying clearly Houthi == Shia.
The Bakistanis are trying to play both sides, trying to be most sensible onlee and saying: The yemen war is not Shia vs Sunni.

The truth is that KSA is being encircled by Shias, and the Al Saud family is afraid of being lamp-posted. All these terrorist movements, Al Qaida, ISIS, etc all have a goal of lamp-posting the Al Saud family, and gaining control of M&M.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Apr 2015 16:26

Resume foreign secretary-level talks: Pak to India - PTI, ToI

Pakistan has called on India to resume foreign secretary-level talks to resolve all outstanding issues, saying with peace the menace of poverty, illiteracy and injustice in the region can be eradicated. {What a lofty idea}

"Although the Indian foreign secretary visited Pakistan on March 3 this year but it was 'a goodwill gesture'. The formal talks have yet to resume," Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's adviser on foreign affairs Sartaj Aziz said.

Aziz made the remarks at a seminar titled 'Muslim-Sikh Dosti Di Tarjman — Baisakhi (Baisakhi represents Muslim-Sikh friendship)' here at the Lahore Fort last evening.

"Pakistan believes in peace in the region and desires to initiate dialogue on all issues with India. If there will be peace, we all can eradicate the menace of poverty, illiteracy and injustice in the region," he said.

He urged India to resume the process of dialogue as agreed by the two premiers — Nawaz Sharif and Narendra Modi — during their meeting last year.

Aziz expressed wonder at the "inordinate delay" by India in resuming foreign secretary-level talks.

"Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif after 2013 general elections had announced an economic and social development roadmap for the country through developing good relations with the neighbours, including India. Under this policy, Mr Sharif went to India and took part in the oath-taking ceremony of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi," Aziz said.

During their meeting on May 27, 2014, both premiers agreed to resume foreign secretary-level talks.

"And on August 25, subsequently India conveyed to us about sending its foreign secretary to Islamabad in this regard," he said.

More than 1,700 Indian Sikhs have come here [Lahore] to take part in Baisakhi festivities.

Aziz also talked about Pakistan's efforts to protect the rights of minorities in the country.

"Now every Sikh or Hindu knows well that Pakistan is doing a lot for them. And the Baisakhi, I will say it represents an unending friendship between Sikhs and Muslims," he said.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 19 Apr 2015 16:56

Azam Khan wants to leave

""The circumstances being created suggest that difficult days are ahead for the Muslim community," Azam Khan said adding, "I honestly say that if any country agrees to shelter me, I will leave India along with my family."

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... =TOI_AShow

Please God, let the Pakis invite him thinking it a clever PR coup.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 19 Apr 2015 16:57

On the nukes for soothis ....

Bakis often boast that they are the only islamic muluk to possess atim bum. That atim bum is their claim to fame within the ummmmm so why will they provide the soothis with nukes and loses their sole calling card?

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 19 Apr 2015 17:41

Chinese whispers

QUOTE:
Numbers can be obscure and complicated, but sometimes they tell a tale of their own. So, with fair warning, chew on these figures a minute: $5.4 billion, $3.7bn, $2.1bn, $1.6bn, $820 million, $1.4bn, $1.6bn and $710m.

That’s the Foreign Direct Investment in Pakistan for each fiscal year from 2007-08 to the first nine months of 2014-15. Not very impressive, is it?

Peak FDI was $5.4bn in 2007-08, the year after the highest GDP growth rate of the Musharraf era of roughly 7pc.

In the first nine months of this fiscal year, FDI (basically, foreigners setting up or buying businesses inside Pakistan) from every country of the world, including China, was $710m.

Now, compare that to the figure you’re going to be hearing a lot this week: $46bn.

QUOTE:
o, let’s start with Turkey. Remember that distant past, some seven years ago, when Punjab was in love with Turkey?

Turkey was the solution to Punjab’s problems and soon there would be so many Turkish people in Punjab and so many Turkish liras sloshing around that you’d think Lahore had become a part of Istanbul’s old quarters. All courtesy the N-League.

But a funny thing happened: nothing. No Turkish people, no Turkish liras, no turning Punjab into a sea of red and white. The PML-N’s economic love affair with Turkey proved such a non-event that you may struggle to remember the frothy nonsense the N-League spouted mere years ago.

Nope, all we got were Turkish soaps.

(If you really want to know the net FDI position, Turkish investors have withdrawn $3.2m from Pakistan this year.)

COMMENT:
A healthy dose of reality to offset the hype generated on the eve of the "higher than mountain " friend !

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 19 Apr 2015 18:44

JE Menon wrote:http://swarajyamag.com/world/pakistan-b ... -in-yemen/

Why LET needs to get into Yemen.

S Subramaniam shows expert-level knowledge of paki terrorist structure and players. reminds me of BRF's SSridhar.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 19 Apr 2015 18:47

Aziz expressed wonder at the "inordinate delay" by India in resuming foreign secretary-level talks.

The choothspah of the Pakis is always endearing -- these paki turds just shutdown the 26/11 case and released lakhvi and showed India the finger, and now have the temerity to "demand" talks. Bunch of terrorist scum must think everyone else has as short a memory as they do.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 19 Apr 2015 18:48

JE Menon wrote:
Gus wrote:All discussion is worthless without a pic of said motorham - and analysis of pic can then determine whether vija be granted or not.
Undeed, this is a very valid point - i.e. the manner of determining whether visa be granted, or not. In the latter case perhaps the real address of the Canadian High Commission may be provided.

That RAPEtte's article provoked nearly unanimous negative and correct responses from Indian commenters.

That helps us establsh a threshold for the level of pakiness required for it to be registered as pakiness by SDREs.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 19 Apr 2015 19:04

KLNMurthy wrote:
JE Menon wrote:http://swarajyamag.com/world/pakistan-b ... -in-yemen/

Why LET needs to get into Yemen.
S Subramaniam shows expert-level knowledge of paki terrorist structure and players. reminds me of BRF's SSridhar.

Good. I don't know anyone who knows that domain better than our SS.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 19 Apr 2015 19:11

Aziz expressed wonder at the "inordinate delay" by India in resuming foreign secretary-level talks.

This clearly displays the mindset of TSP and its sugar daddy US. When pointed to pigLeTs roaming around including Lakhvi, even "moderate" Pakis will say talks must be resumed so this is "one of the issues" that can be discussed. So you get the drift, during talks India will say pigLeTs, TSP will say Kashmir. And sugar daddy while issuing perfunctory indignance at Lakhvi's release will also "support talks". So what we are seeing through the above statement is a concerted drama by US/TSP combine. And of course, the smart dudes at CIA/Pentagon and elsewhere have gamed enough models, based on which TSPA is given enough F-solas so this drama continues and can be molded as desired from Langley, VA.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Apr 2015 19:29

No speculation on members Ids. No encouraged.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 19 Apr 2015 20:49

I know cricket news is not supposed to be posted in this thread but the occasion demands an exception! Paki got their ass whooped by Bangladesh and lost the ODI series 2 - 0 with one match to go.

Misery for Pakistan as Bangladesh seal historic series win

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 19 Apr 2015 21:51

Falijee wrote:Chinese whispers

QUOTE:
Numbers can be obscure and complicated, but sometimes they tell a tale of their own. So, with fair warning, chew on these figures a minute: $5.4 billion, $3.7bn, $2.1bn, $1.6bn, $820 million, $1.4bn, $1.6bn and $710m.

(If you really want to know the net FDI position, Turkish investors have withdrawn $3.2m from Pakistan this year.)
COMMENT:
A healthy dose of reality to offset the hype generated on the eve of the "higher than mountain " friend !

The Chinese are actually investing $47 B in Pakistan. That is not a false news. Basically what is happening is this:

The Chinese want to fast track and clear about $47B, out of which 2/3 is going to building power plants (Coal fired) and 1/3 is going towards building highways and railways. China thinks that they can do import/export from their western parts through Pakistan through Gwadar. Here is where the Chinese are clever:

These are not "free money" like how the US doles out (more on this later), but these are loans. Loans not made from a government to government basis but loans from Banks that the Chinese have a substantial stake in. Like AIIB. The money will then be used by Chinese firms to execute the project. Pakistan has to return the money + interest.

What is in it for the Chinese infrastructure companies? China has plenty of spare and idle capacity for executing infrastructure projects. Chinese companies are going to profit by being paid for executing this projects in Pakistan.

What is in it for Chinese Banks? The dependence of Paki government on China means that the banks have reduced the risk of default and are getting a handsome rate of return for the loan.

What is in it for Pakis? Nobody wants to invest in Pakistan. By borrowing and solving their energy and transportation problem, their economy is likely to grow and get jobs for abduls and reduce power cuts. On the down side though they do have to pay the money back + interest. On the upside, if the economy grows the interest is immaterial. Think of it as a student loan. Yes you are getting a loan, but your employment more than makes up for the loan interest you need to pay.

Now these projects are not going to be executed by Paki companies, but are going to be executed by Chinese companies. Which is a good and bad thing. The good thing is that various Paki companies/politicians are not going to siphon off money and cause inordinate delays. The bad thing is that no abdul is going to find work and it is being done by Chinese engineers/labor. Little birdie told me that Pakis are raising a force (like CISF) to actually guard the Chinese workers/engineers.

Here is what the Chinese are doing right and the Americans are not. Basically US gives out "free money" for changing Pakistan's policies. Like for example letting Pakistan move goods through Pakistan to Afghanistan. Then they actually pay money for the actual job. Which causes all the Pakis to froth in the mouth and go AOA!!!! YYY KILLING OUR TERRORIST BIRATHERS BY GIVING OUT MONEY!!! JEEEEHAAAARRRRDDDDD!!!!!

The Chinese on the other hand, their interests are economic first (how to give $5 to Pakistan, get back the $5 from Pakistan by making them use Chinese labor and companies to execute projects and get $5 more in interest payments?). And politico/strategic next: President eleven privately squeezes the testimonials of Bad sharif, good Sharif. This causes the Pakis to sing CHINESE BIRATHERS TALLER THAN TREE, DEEPER THAN MOUNTAIN, SWEETER THAN OCEAN!!!! in a high pitched voice, because their testimonials are getting squeezed well.

Ofcourse when Pakis default on payments, they are going to hate AIIB and not China. The way they hate WB, IMF now. All in all a clever ploy by the Chinese. They get Indian containment free with this one. If pakis play their cards right, it is probably good for Pakis too. Capital investment is drying out, there is no money/skill to execute on large infra projects like Highways and power plants. This is a good avenue for doing that.

Think of it this way: US hires Pakistan as a client would hire a sex worker. Sex worker resents the Client. Client gets a few half hearted services for the money. China hires Pakistan as a Pimp would employ a sex worker. Sex worker actually thinks the pimp is doing him/her a favor and loves the pimp. Pimp profits a lot. This is the key difference.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 19 Apr 2015 22:01

ramana wrote:No speculation on members Ids. No encouraged.

Seconded. Dont speculate on the IDs of members and try to relate them with IDs outside the forums in newspapers/Social media etc.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 19 Apr 2015 22:13

Anujanullah,

Sounds all good on paper.

Issue starts when Paki Abduls notice that they aren't getting any jobs despite of all these projects getting executed. On top of it they can aim their AK47s at chinese rupee a dozen. And all this new infra and (uninterrupted) power improves the IeDs of Jehadis.

China is pouring dragon-milk in Balochi desert.

Some may think China can & will control pakiness of ordinary Abdul. I bet they are being too optimistic like our secularists. If China is not able to control non-violent Buddhists in Tibet, how can they control a motivated Jihadi who is 72 times more powerful?

I didn't know President Eleven is dumber than our Rahul Gandhi.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 19 Apr 2015 22:26

Mubasher Lucman @mubasherlucman · 4m 4 minutes ago
This LOAN carries a FEE/INTEREST RATE of 7% whereas the project loans Pakistan gets from ADB/WB etc are usually at a rate of 2-4%
Mubasher Lucman @mubasherlucman · 5m 5 minutes ago
the actual GRAND THEFT is supposed to begin soon The investment from China that they keep parroting about isn’t investment, it’s a LOAN

Paki wont be able to pay even the interests and then PRC will start taking over real estate. Its no secret that China has no history of Charity but that of deception only. They will own the coast line and Paki will be land locked soon.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 19 Apr 2015 22:34

Assuming that iff and that is a big if the whole deal goes through and the chinese run the projects with chinese labor and chinese engineers, basically it is equivalent of buying the bridges, the roads, and the power plants on the borrowed money, money that Pakistan simply does not have and does not have the means to pay back. Sounds too good to be true.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 19 Apr 2015 22:34

On the Chinese investment ....

1. Read somewhere that the investment will be outside AIIB (Report quoted the Chinese). OK here is the link http://tribune.com.pk/story/871416/chin ... stan-deal/
2. Chinese are known to extract a heavy price for all such financing. Case in point all the African projects. In a Baki video, one Khaas apdul claimed that the Chinese take away 50% even before accounting starts (One must discount the exaggerated claims but the Chinese do grab as much as they can). This was for some Copper/Gold project in Baluchisthan.
3. Bakis have trashed all contracts for previous investments in Power and Mining. Latest IIRC was that Reko dik (of whatever it is called) license was revoked and the matter is in arbitration. Video seemed to suggest that this happens whenever there is a change in gov. the deals signed by previous gov is trashed.

First, are these investments going beyond the MOU stage. Second, would be interesting to see the implementation.

Couple of other notes
1. Chinese ARE now interested in the Gwadar port given the uncertainty surrounding the Sri Lankan ports. Easier to supply men and material via KKH. Ideal to access the Persian gulf and the India's western shores. Are the Americans going to like a Chinese military base at the mouth of the Persian gulf? We will see.
2. My sense is that the 8 subs, if it were to happen would most likely be Chinese operated subs stationed at Gwadar.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 19 Apr 2015 22:40

If pakis cannot provide security, all bets would bwvodf. More than earning back the money lianed, Cheen are getting a warm water port access in Arabian sea. Works out for them on multiple levels. The Balochis and others whose resources get dwindled by Cheen and Pakjabi elites would have reason to interrupt and delay these projects and increase their cost. But overall, there is no denying that Pukis get an economic lifeline here.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 19 Apr 2015 22:42

Chinese (being chinese) are being over smart.

They think they can permanently dominate India by spending $47b (who came up with this number anyway, did they use Mesquita model?) in Pakistan. A war with India would cost at least $250B to China in addition to loss of H&D.

They would get better RoI on $47B by paying that amount as tribute to ModiSarkar & leave Pakistan in Pakistan.

Pakistan isn't able to fulfill much cheaper obligations (few thousand Abduls as cannon fodder) to Saudi Arabia. To think they would honor agreements with China sounds like Mani Sankara Aiyer's debates.

partha · Post by **partha** » 19 Apr 2015 23:17

Jhujar wrote:
Paki wont be able to pay even the interests and then PRC will start taking over real estate.

This could happen. Have to watch out for POK.

Do note that not a single Chinese source has quoted anywhere near $46B. From Chinese perspective, this economic corridor makes sense cutting a large part of current sea route and giving them a short cut but making it a reality will definitely not be easy as "Chinese Whispers" article says.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 19 Apr 2015 23:32

Mubasher Lucman @mubasherlucman · 51m 51 minutes ago

So Now, with NO BIDDING involved, Government will award contracts with a construction Cost of $ 1.7 Million per Mega Watt

The Chinese/Bakis have put the capital cost of Coal fired Plants to be around $1.7 million/MW where as the comparable cost/MW is $1.0 million in India.

1. Highly Inflated capital cost
2. Higher Interest rate
3. Cost of power/coal (Who is going to supply coal and at what cost? My Guess is that the Chinese will supply at whatever price they want. Is there a PPA and is the unit cost nailed down or is it indexed to the cost? My bet is that it will be indexed to cost of the coal and the Chinese will have complete freedom to fix the coal price and hence the power cost.)
4. Chinese equipment. Depending how they see the future of the plant the Chinese might just decide to supply junk and milk the Bakis over frequent and heavy Maintenance.

Nice scam overall if it gets implemented.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 19 Apr 2015 23:51

FWIW

Brahma Chellaney ‏@Chellaney 14h14 hours ago

Want evidence that China treats Pakistan as its colony? Xi's package of power projects will be Chinese-owned with Pak committed to buy power

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 19 Apr 2015 23:53

As the saying goes: "The Han eat everything." The Chinese will build what they will using Chinese labor, materials and companies. Locals get to do menial stuff. Pakis will be picked clean.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 19 Apr 2015 23:56

RamaY wrote:..

I didn't know President Eleven is dumber than our Rahul Gandhi.

Nobody can take the clown away from RG.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 20 Apr 2015 01:17

Jhujar wrote:Mubasher Lucman @mubasherlucman · 4m 4 minutes ago
This LOAN carries a FEE/INTEREST RATE of 7% whereas the project loans Pakistan gets from ADB/WB etc are usually at a rate of 2-4%
Mubasher Lucman @mubasherlucman · 5m 5 minutes ago
the actual GRAND THEFT is supposed to begin soon The investment from China that they keep parroting about isn’t investment, it’s a LOAN

Paki wont be able to pay even the interests and then PRC will start taking over real estate. Its no secret that China has no history of Charity but that of deception only. They will own the coast line and Paki will be land locked soon.

The Pakis actually thought that the Chinese are going to give 47 billion $ free ?!!!! Look at the sense of entitlement. Also China is not the US. They don't dole out free money. Also what exactly is the difference between investment and a loan? If I invest in a startup I am in fact loaning them the money. If a bank is investing in a project, they are loaning money to the project. Pakis thought "investment" meant "gift out of large hearted generosity"?

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 20 Apr 2015 01:39

May be old Alticle.

Supplessing leligious fleedoms: Chinese imams folced to dance in Xinjiang legion

In addition to the imams being folced to pelfolm Chinese Mujla the imams wele also folced to tell childlen that playel was halmful fol the soul.

XINJIANG: In another attempt to suppress religious freedoms, China forced imams from its eastern Muslim majority Xinjiang region to dance in the street and swear to an oath that they would not teach religion to children.

The imams were also forced to tell children that prayer was harmful for the soul.

The Muslim imams were further forced to brandish the slogan that “our income comes from the CKP [Chinese Communist Party] not from Allah”.

Cheers

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 20 Apr 2015 01:39

ANUJANJI:
Thanks for clearing the air the air with your logical thinking; I like your "sex worker" analogy vis-a-vis the difference between US "method" of operations and the Chinese "method" of operation

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 20 Apr 2015 02:51

I agree with Anujan's read on the difference between Amreekan and Chini dealings with Pakistan.
A side note needs to be added though. Client-hooker, Pimp-hooker analogy.

It is the way the Pakistanis perceive the Amreekans and the Cheenis and the way they behave.

1. The Amreekis are perceived to have a LOT of money, Crorepatis, with each dollar equal to a 100 paki rupees.
2. The amreekis are known not to be able to bargain, they just don't have any idea what things cost in this part of the world, they just won't haggle in a Paki street smart way.
3. The Amreekis don't really want to get down and dirty in Pakistan, they throw money at the problem

Contrast this with the Cheeni
1. They will haggle the pakis to death
2. They are from this part of the world, equally as poor, and so know the cost of doing things.
3. They are unable to throw money at the problem.
4. They are already down and dirty in the muck of pakistan

Both squeeze Pakistan's testimonials in private. Pakistan can show its pretend "anger", "unhappiness" to the Amreekis and get away with it. The amreekis get scared about 'hurting cultural/religious sentiments'

Pakis can't even begin to try this trick with the cheenis. They will only get a G@@*d pe Laat if they did this, and then no money.

Perceptions... and then some differences in behaviour between the cheenis and the amreekans.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 20 Apr 2015 03:53

Tuvaluan wrote:
Aziz expressed wonder at the "inordinate delay" by India in resuming foreign secretary-level talks.
The choothspah of the Pakis is always endearing -- these paki turds just shutdown the 26/11 case and released lakhvi and showed India the finger, and now have the temerity to "demand" talks. Bunch of terrorist scum must think everyone else has as short a memory as they do.

For the paki mind, releasing Lakhvi is a victory. There is nothing more natural than following up a victory with a call for the defeated enemy to come to the negotiating table to talk surrender terms.

Don't underestimate the power of a consistent ideological position and strategic posture on the part of pakistan to wear down an India that has no ideological clarity towards pakistan. Even the yeevil RSS only wants paki terrorism to stop (=suspended for the time being with option to resume at will) and has no understanding of what makes peace with pakistan such a bad idea.

Pakis for their part have been clear and consistent in their message: we will attack you at will, celebrate the attacks and attackers, and your role is to come to the negotiating table and work out the details of how you will hand over the rest of cashmere to us. I think that is clarity and consistency more than chutiyapa.

In the paki calculation, the world doesn't stand still, and sooner or later, it is quite possible that reality will become amenable to their ideological stance. If and when it does, they want to be ideologically ready.

For the pragmatic business minded Indians, this mindset is challenging to grasp. So, it is entirely possible that, given a sufficiently long time without significant acts of violence against it (the bar for which has been systematically raised by pakistan and its Indian sympathizers) India will find itself with no cogent reason to reject talks.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 20 Apr 2015 04:43

RamaY wrote:Anujanullah,

Sounds all good on paper.

Issue starts when Paki Abduls notice that they aren't getting any jobs despite of all these projects getting executed. On top of it they can aim their AK47s at chinese rupee a dozen. And all this new infra and (uninterrupted) power improves the IeDs of Jehadis.

China is pouring dragon-milk in Balochi desert.

Some may think China can & will control pakiness of ordinary Abdul. I bet they are being too optimistic like our secularists. If China is not able to control non-violent Buddhists in Tibet, how can they control a motivated Jihadi who is 72 times more powerful?

I didn't know President Eleven is dumber than our Rahul Gandhi.

Do pakis actually want honest jobs? If not, what is there for them to resent the Chinese?

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 20 Apr 2015 04:44

ramana wrote:No speculation on members Ids. No encouraged.

Ok noted.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 20 Apr 2015 04:51

KLNM wrote: For a Paki mind, releasing Laqvi is a victory.

This is the single aspect of paki psyche MAD must exploit, to its fullest extent. It will have Geopolitical implications.

KLNM wrote: Do Pakis want honest jobs?

We don't know. But what the scenario in discussion presents is (a) lot of juicy chinese targets (b) a "reason" for pakiness to be externalized.

Pakiness is nothing but "Tamasic Tamas" (different from Satvic Tamas of. Gandhi variety and Rajasic Tamas of Secular variety). It has its own uses.