India & Natural Disaster Management

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Apr 2015 17:33

Dainik Bhaskar ‏@DainikBhaskar 2m2 minutes ago

एवरेस्ट बेस कैंप से 18 शव निकाले गए, 13 शवों को भारतीय सेना ने निकाला.....
http://www.bhaskar.com/news-ht/NAT-eart ... 8-NOR.html … #earthquake

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 25 Apr 2015 17:34

Yoo sea dijaster meating, I sea sum mali doing phlowerj and gumlaaj.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 25 Apr 2015 17:37

chaanakya wrote:

Something I got in my mail.
My parents live in Kathmandu. Just spoke to to them. They are waiting outside in the open field. Although official figure is 114 ppl died, real figure is approx 1500 died till now.

Thanks
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Sent from my iPhone
one of My staffer from Nepal, who is in touch with his family in Village says 12 members have died in next house which collapsed. Damages in hinterland villages seems extensive due to poor structure. Rescue efforts are yet to reach there due to difficult terrain and damaged roads. In many places land has just shifted. He is trying to call Nepal and ascertain whereabouts of his relatives. What he got report from his relatives situation seems worse than the magnitude of quake would suggest.

Scale is LARGE. With all capitals. Plenty of punya available for anyone wanting it. Its likely a 5 figure event, not just a 4 figure one.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Apr 2015 17:39

Very true Shreeman. Reports from Villages are yet to reach . Rescue efforts would be localised. Extent would be known only by tomorrow or the day after.

India is doing all it could and that is a silver lining.Nepal Govt is not well equipped so its effectiveness would be limited. Pictures from Hospitals are no very encouraging and I refrained from posting . However they illustrate inadequacies pretty well. What Nepal will need is a massive reconstruction efforts. I hope India plays its part well and does not allow China to steal a march over it later. Such events are seen as doorway to public goodwill and China would do all to pump massive money into rebuilding. But geography would make their task difficult but not impossible.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 25 Apr 2015 17:46

chaanakya wrote:Very true Shreeman. Reports from Villages are yet to reach . Rescue efforts would be localised. Extent would be known only by tomorrow or the day after.

India is doing all it could and that is a silver lining.Nepal Govt is not well equipped so its effectiveness would be limited. Pictures from Hospitals are no very encouraging and I refrained from posting . However they illustrate inadequacies pretty well. What Nepal will need is a massive reconstruction efforts. I hope India plays its part well and does not allow China to steal a march over it later. Such events are seen as doorway to public goodwill and China would do all to pump massive money into rebuilding. But geography would make their task difficult but not impossible.

Where there is a will and a good marketing team. The chinese are like jesus team. They dont need to do as much. A divorce is much easier than a new affair.

Why is there not onesingle decent road to Nepal, or a train (there isnt one to kashmir, so I suppose that is asking too much)?

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Apr 2015 17:53

Reg C17 and C130 , for quick insertion of RR Teams heavy lift Helis seems more suitable as these planes can land where airport is somewhat functional but Helis can reach remote areas and make sorties easily. Kedarnath rescue operation is a point in case. Kathmandu is not so far or out of reach for Helis .

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 25 Apr 2015 18:01

chaanakya wrote:Reg C17 and C130 , for quick insertion of RR Teams heavy lift Helis seems more suitable as these planes can land where airport is somewhat functional but Helis can reach remote areas and make sorties easily. Kedarnath rescue operation is a point in case. Kathmandu is not so far or out of reach for Helis .

The airport itself is fine. They want to use it for disaster management and cant handle routine commercial traffic. This would be the case in Paris if something much smaller happened there.

There is no lack of landing space. You can take all the heli and air support you want. The ILs will lamd there just fine. Along with the ANs the MiLs and anything else you want. Amazing how the advertisement power of the western crap has pulled the wool firmly over some of the smartest here.

In the short term, Nepal cant absorb help from outside India. In the medium term, it will be another story.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Apr 2015 18:01

~~118~~ 180 bodies have been recovered so far from Dharahara Tower also Known as Bhimsen Tower.

Total casualties so far 850+

BSNL will charge local rates for all India Nepal Calls on their Network for three days.
Indigo Airlines and other major airlines have waived off cancellation or rescheduling charges for next week.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 25 Apr 2015 18:05

Any idea whats the causality like in India especially

1. Sikkim and Northern WB closest to Nepal
2. Western Assam
3. Northern Bihar
4. Northern UP

What help can be given here

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 25 Apr 2015 18:11

About a 100+ total. Local resources should be sufficient to deal with the situation. There is not much that can be done in the case of a badly constructed house collapsing here and there. Epicenter was in Nepal proper. Things shook badly, and everything concrete handled the shaking fine with a balcony or two falling off. Glass merchants will be rich in the coming months.

Systemic improvements and pressure to prepare for a big one on this side (happened before, will happen again) are the key right now.

Force people to prepare, demolish what will fall down in a 6 before it topples and stockpile heavy equipment everywhere (if you build roads everywhere, then you wont need to). Also, earthquake insurance should be a thing. As should flood insurance be, for people living in a flood plain.

This going about business as usual with 100s dead after every storm and quake has to stop. That is the lesson.

edit -- this was nearly an 8! not just a 7. It is some event.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Apr 2015 18:16

BJP India ‏@BJPIndiaBJP 9m9 minutes ago

Nepal's pain is our pain: Prime Minister Narendra Modi #earthquake
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Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 25 Apr 2015 18:24

Moar guvermand bichhars:

bs: An IL-76 a/c of IAF will leave at 1800 hr for Kathmandu from Bhatinda carrying NDRF teams.

edit -- moar bichhars of c17s

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 25 Apr 2015 18:42

Look. MoaR bicchars:

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Apr 2015 18:51

A little while ago. NDRF team in kathmandu

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Apr 2015 18:53

Sushma Swaraj @SushmaSwaraj · 3m 3 minutes ago

We have contacted Baba Ramdev in Kathmandu. He wishes to be there in this hour of crisis.
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Sushma Swaraj @SushmaSwaraj · 7m 7 minutes ago

Indian Air Force is evacuating 250 persons from Kathmandu today. Please ask your relatives to get in touch with Indian mission there.
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Sushma Swaraj @SushmaSwaraj · 11m 11 minutes ago

Thank you @yadavakhilesh for the gesture. That will be a great help in our country's efforts to help Nepal.
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Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 25 Apr 2015 18:54

^^^ Too C130s, there four leaving phor and not in katmandoo.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 25 Apr 2015 18:56

Response is still kottaje industry scale. Not much hurd from japan types.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Apr 2015 19:09

This is how congis sent relief materials for Kedarnath disaster in India.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Apr 2015 19:15

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 25 Apr 2015 19:17

This hiyar is the landing bichhar:

Nepal needs an air bridge to get the furriners/tourists out and be able to uje resources on those in need.

edit -- akchually, also not landing bicchar. another 130 in packground. news media ij ujeless. this is still hindon.

saip · Post by **saip** » 25 Apr 2015 19:18

Pl guys, stop using pinglish. This is not the time.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Apr 2015 19:18

Shreeman wrote:^^^ Too C130s, there four leaving phor and not in katmandoo.

That photo is a tweet from Embassy of India Kathmandu. Both have arrived there by 630.

Embassy of India KTM @eoiktmnp · 39m 39 minutes ago

IAF Aircraft in Kathmandu with NDRF team and equipment. @meaindia @pmoindia

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 25 Apr 2015 19:22

Onlee one C130, many C17s and a Il76 were reported. The 130 waj not to stay either. Drop off then take a lookie see at roads. Bichhars of c130s have been tweeted by newj media too willy nilly. Even Lanka ij tweeting C130 bichhars.

Iph you look at kathmandoo airport tweets, its praktically swarming with stranded tourists and other quake survivors.

I am not cunvinsed this is katmandoo. Moar likeli hindon. Ambasee doej not say in KTM. Onlee that C130 with aid.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 25 Apr 2015 19:24

saip wrote:Pl guys, stop using pinglish. This is not the time.

I agree. But I am now aphraiyd of aggregators and automated analytics. Will bost neuj without kommentary.

saip · Post by **saip** » 25 Apr 2015 19:41

At 7.9 this earthquake is very severe of almost same intensity as of 1906 SFO earthquake.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Apr 2015 19:48

TimesNow reporting casualty figure up at 1457.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Apr 2015 19:52

Shreeman wrote:Onlee one C130, many C17s and a Il76 were reported. The 130 waj not to stay either. Drop off then take a lookie see at roads. Bichhars of c130s have been tweeted by newj media too willy nilly. Even Lanka ij tweeting C130 bichhars.

Iph you look at kathmandoo airport tweets, its praktically swarming with stranded tourists and other quake survivors.

I am not cunvinsed this is katmandoo. Moar likeli hindon. Ambasee doej not say in KTM. Onlee that C130 with aid.

yeah , you have better info than Embassy of India Kathmandu which twitted picture and re-twitted MEA.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Apr 2015 19:55

52 Indians evacuated.

Vikas Swarup Verified account
‏@MEAIndia

RT @eoiktmnp IAF Aircraft with 52 Indians onboard to leave for Delhi, more aircrafts on the way to evacuate stranded Indians in Nepal.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 25 Apr 2015 19:59

NDTV reported the Chinese are calling it a 8.1, IMD has low balled it at 7.5

I believe the Chinese number, as their network is more extensive in the Tibetan region. USGS is sticking to ~~7.9~~ 7.8 the last I read.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/ ... al_summary

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Apr 2015 20:00

Vikas Swarup @MEAIndia · 11m 11 minutes ago

Relief efforts:
Enroute
IL-76 163 NDRF personnel,5 sniffer dogs, 28 tons of relief
C-17 Globemaster III 96 NDRF personnel &15 tonnes (2/2)
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Vikas Swarup @MEAIndia · 12m 12 minutes ago

Relief efforts for #NepalEarthquake :
In Kathmandu
IAF’s C-130 Superhercules - 39 NDRF personn & 3.5 tonnes of relief (1/2)
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chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Apr 2015 20:05

On Sushmaji's Timeline. Great way to reach people in need.It can be institutionalised by putting a team under MEA to coornidate all help tweets.

anuradha ‏@anu_nikumbh 1h1 hour ago

@SushmaSwaraj I had been trying hard since afternun to reach to MEA nos.My dad is in Kathmandu I m unable 2contact him plz help ppl like us.
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Sushma SwarajVerified account
‏@SushmaSwaraj

Pl give your father's details. We will try to reach him.@anu_nikumbh

anuradha ‏@anu_nikumbh 59m59 minutes ago

@SushmaSwaraj His name is Wasudeosingh Nikumbh. Age 63. From: Nagpur
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Sushma SwarajVerified account
‏@SushmaSwaraj

Where should we contact him in Nepal ? @anu_nikumbh

Suparna Singh ‏@Suparna_Singh 47m47 minutes ago

@SushmaSwaraj all helplines busy. Trying to get info on Dr Sridhar Reddy. Last seen near Peak 38 Lodge at dingboche. Pls help.
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Sushma SwarajVerified account
‏@SushmaSwaraj

His phone number ? @Suparna_Singh

Sushma Swaraj @SushmaSwaraj · 24m 24 minutes ago

My colleague @PiyushGoyal has offered to send engineers and equipment to restore the power grids in Nepal
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Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 25 Apr 2015 20:18

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Apr 2015 20:23

Casualty figures in India

Bihar: 45
UP:12
WB:3

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 25 Apr 2015 20:27

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 25 Apr 2015 20:33

China Daily reports 70% of buildings in Nyalam County damaged. (Foreign press barred from that area).

USGS says #NepalQuake a "red alert". 50% chance of >10,000 dead. @UNOCHA planning had been for 100,000 killed!

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Apr 2015 20:34

China

In Tibet 12 dead

Bangladesh

Two dead.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Apr 2015 20:42

This will be longest dark night for those trapped beneath debris and also for those survivors and injured who have to spend night outside without shelter and perhaps food, water and medicine. May God give strength to them to get through the night. NDRF teams ( 4 in Bihar, 1 in UP and 10 in Nepal ) would be working through out the night to rescue the trapped people.

What gives hope is that the type of response shown by the Govt of India. It is treating the disaster as if it is their crisis to handle. I am sure in coming days lot of activities would be there for massive reconstruction and rehabilitation of survivors. NaMo's experience with Bhuj Quake rehabilitation is the shining light amidst darkness. Hope Nepal really gets benefited and Major Indian corporates contribute to his efforts.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 25 Apr 2015 20:42

Fault line is along Brahmaputra. Any possibility of Brahamaputra changing her course to benefit the ususal suspect? Any article about induced earthquake along natural faultline?

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Apr 2015 21:13

People Out in the night.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Apr 2015 21:15

Ministry of Railways @RailMinIndia · 2h 2 hours ago

Further arrangements to despatch 1 lakh Rail Neer bottles daily being made by IR. MR @sureshpprabhu monitoring closely.
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Ministry of Railways @RailMinIndia · 2h 2 hours ago

As instructed by MR @sureshpprabhu, 1 lakh Rail Neer bottles being despatched to Kathmandu as relief by IR. Tonight.
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