Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22 2015

[pankajs]

That certainly is China's play but is not possible without the co-operation of the BakMil.

But why do I think that the Bakis plan to play the cheenis just the way the did the Amreekis. I am not saying that they will succeed but they will definitely try to pull a similar stunt. They will derive the wrong lessons from their success with the Amreeki. Will be interesting to watch the locking of horns. In 5 years we should have clarity based on whether something gets built or not and the narrative out of the two side.

[chetak]

Is Pakistan pivoting away from Saudi Arabia? By Bruce Reidel

But, Saudis have nobody else to turn to either.

SSridharji, Don't they have a covert arrangement with the chinese for hard core nuclear stuff??

[chetak]

Outrage after Pakistan sends beef masala as relief material to quake-hit Nepal

Kathmandu: Apr 30, 2015.

Already battling with the widespread devastation of the earthquake, Nepal is upset with Pakistan over packets of "beef masala" that they sent as part of the relief material. According to a report in United Kingdom's "Daily Mail", Pakistan sent beef meat as a part of its relief material.

Nepal has a majority of Hindu population of which most consider cows as sacred. Several Hindu nations observe a blanket ban on slaughtering the animal. Till it became a republic, Nepal was World's only Hindu nation. The move by Pakistan has the potential to create a diplomatic problem between the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) member countries.

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This incident has led to a lot of outrage in the social media and other online platforms.

The reports quotes a top Nepal government official saying, "The matter has been conveyed to Prime Minister Sushil Koirala and the intelligence chief. We are also starting an internal inquiry to verify the facts. If the report is correct, we will raise the matter at the diplomatic level with Pakistan. India, being our key partner, will also be informed of the developments."

[ramana]

{quote="Falijee"}Is Pakistan pivoting away from Saudi Arabia? By Bruce ReidelBut, Saudis have nobody else to turn to either.{/quote}

They do , Both Saudi and Gulf can be good Munna of India .

They used to be till they found massa and oil.

[KLNMurthy]

The biggest plan by China is to bring Pakistan completely under its control through the CPEC.

In a word it is colonization, China style. And it will work, the momins of Pakistan military will go along with the program.

Asif Jahi Hyderabad can be a model for understanding Pakistan: it had its own military and potentially huge economic and demographic base but chose to simply live for nearly 200 years as a british protectorate and vassal. Military and security force was useful for suppressing unarmed and impoverished SDRE domestic population.

For 70 years India has allowed Pakistan to maintain the illusion of parity or superiority of US-aided TFTA pakis vis a vis SDRE yindoos. It's like the nizam before police action. But constant testing by Pakistan of this idea has forced even India to falsify this theory. China is essentially here to bring Pakistan to its natural state: subservience and vassalhood of a medieval-concept predator state in the face of what it perceives to be a tallel power in possession of the magic elixir of modernity. America had the opportunity to play that role but in the end lacked the clarity and coherent vision (or maybe even the clear strategic intent) to play the colonial role.

We should expect Pakistan to feel more encouraged to show the yindoo kafirs its power,with the Chinese benevolently looking on, and muttering about peaceful rise. There will be no significant clashes between any elements of Pakistan and the Chinese colonist forces.

[Falijee]

Bogus Allegations of RAW involvement re - surface again ! - this time for Karachi troubles

KARACHI: SSP Malir Rao Anwar announced the arrest of two terror suspects last night, whom he claimed-no proof provided as usual were members of Indian spy agency RAW (Research and Analysis Wing).

Speaking to the media on Thursday, he made the startling claim that the suspects – Tahir alias Lamba and Mama Junaid – also belonged to the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) and had been sent to India for training in the past.

MQM’s leadership has on several occasions in the past two months said the party was going through a media trial in a campaign to malign its image. Today’s press conference by SSP Malir is also likely to be seen by the party in the same light.

[sudhan]

So, India keeps Pawki seamen rescued from a sunken ship in the police station, while the Yemeni crew were put up in a hotel

Pawkis have gotten their langots tied into knots over this..

They tend to forget sea faring peace loving apduls end up conducting peaceful jeehard on Indian soil..

OT: This FO spokeshag makes me want to puke..

Quoting from Yawn

ISLAMABAD: The Foreign Office (FO) on Thursday expressed serious concern over the plight of Pakistani seamen in India and said treatment meted out to them was in violation of international law and norms.

"A Pakistani ship was on way to India for ship-breaking when it sank. However, seamen were rescued and taken to the Indian state of Gujarat where they were kept in a police station. This was when the ship's Yemeni crew was accommodated in a hotel," FO spokeswoman Tasneem Aslam told a press briefing in Islamabad.

She said the High Commission in New Delhi was in contact with Indian authorities for the well being of the Pakistani citizens.

"We have conveyed our concerns to the Indian government over the treatment being meted out to our seamen."

Speaking to reporters, the spokeswoman said there was no information regarding a Pakistani boat allegedly carrying narcotics captured by Indian authorities earlier this month. She said India had also not communicated anything to that effect.

Earlier this month, an Indian official had claimed that a joint navy and coastguard operation had intercepted a Pakistani vessel trafficking 200 kilograms — $15 million worth — of heroin in Indian waters on April 20. The boat was apparently headed for the western state of Gujarat, Indian navy spokesman D K Sharma had said at the time.

[Rahul M]

SS, havent followed the discussion, why would china do so ?

Rahul, China's determined goal has been to overtake the US and be the sole superpower. After the US announced its Pivot and began gathering some Asian countries around that concept, even if only informally, China has redoubled its efforts to blunt the Pivot. It realized that it has to increase its sphere of influence manifold. The Silk Road and the MSR, which were already in the works as bits and pieces, were unified and the supporting financial structure of AIIB was conceived and launched.

Pakistan is the pivot for blunting the pivot. China has chosen the right country for several reasons. Pakistan is equally an American client. Pakistan provides access to virgin Afghanistan. Gwadar and KKH provide access to PLAN and alternate routes for Iranian oil & gas to Kashgar. China has been trying to industrialize Kashgar hoping that economic improvements would stop Uyghur separatism. China knows that Pakistan is completely subservient to it and it has it by its unmentionables. No other country is willing to make investments in Pakistan and Pakistan is therefore willing to abide by the unscrupulous Chinese practices to attract investments.

Pakistan's thinking is that it cannot let India runaway economically because the game will be lost forever then. It feels it still has a chance and all that its needs is massive investments and growth as in the early 1960s. It can then challenge India more muscularly as it already has nukes. Besides, it may feel that visible and massive presence of China on this scale would itself be a deterrent to India to retaliate in case of more mischief by its Army and jihadi proxies.

China is using Pakistan as the guinea-pig to develop a template for the successful implementation of the rest of its Road & Belt programme. This has to succeed to inspire confidence in other countries. Pakistan is also the largest and most complicated country in the proposed Chinese Beltway. So, the lessons learnt from here would be useful to refine the Chinese strategy elsewhere. It cannot be allowed to fail. Therefore, the Chinese neither want major threats to its projects in the area, nor Pakistan be distracted by events elsewhere.

Pakistan's foreign policies will be dictated more by China from now on. It would therefore be interesting to see how they tackle the Pakistani Army which usually handles India, US, Afghanistan and possibly KSA.

If one looks at Pakistani history, it is a sequence of jumping from one bandwagon to another. The pre-Partition All India Muslim League hitched on to the British and it continued into the early 50s when Sir Olaf Caroe personally handed over Pakistan to the Americans. This alliance continued until the mid-60s when cracks began to get wider. Pakistan opportunistically hitched on to the Chinese at this time. The relationship with the desert kingdoms were quite fraught at this stage. In the early 70s, the Pakistanis also jumped into the Desert Bandwagon. In the meanwhile, the US-Pakistan relationship was fluctuating but Pakistan desperately needed it as China was not in any position to help it. The Bear trap solidified the relationship for a decade but it fell apart again after a decade. The 1990s were a tough period for Pakistan which was saved for them largely by the Desert Ummah brothers, especially KSA. Of course, the first decade of the new millennium revived the US bandwagon. Now, it is the Chinese all the way.

thanks SS, while I understand why pak would love to have china as a sugar-daddy, we know that is unlikely to happen.
how soon before the free pass to china from pak, that it doesn't provide to anyone else, expires ?
IOW, can china manage the impossible, i.e truly tame pakistan ?

[pankajs]

Relying on a road that gets blocked for 5 years (IIRC) by a landslide to solve all connectivity/choke point issues for China and economic/investment issues for bakistan is just building air castles.

The road runs through a terrain where there are no diversions possible to get past the landslide is an icing on the air castle. You can't go off the road on to a dirt road not even a dirt track or leave a damaged bridge and take a culvert.

There are other issues for China as far as moving away from sea based route is concerned. Most of their economic centers are along their their coast. That makes it easier/cheaper/faster to get to/from market via sea routes right off the bat rather than transport raw materials/finished foods cross country from east coast to west coast and then over KKH to Gwadar and then on to ships.

Then there is the question of funneling its humungous trade traffic over a single 16 lane expressway (The project is only 8 laning of KKH but out of compassion I have doubled its capacity).

Then there is the question of the ASEAN countries that account for a big chunk of the 2 way trade having to go through Malacca to reach Gwadar and then over land to the east coast of China.

What a nice plan! I love it absolutely!

Last point on this ...

If China cannot smash its way through an economic blockade along its fairly long eastern seaboard right next to its own territory what are the chances that it will be able to do the same at Gwadar/Karanchi, far away from its massive military machine. If the Americans can blockade the eastern seaboard they can blockade Bakistani coast at a far lesser cost.

[pankajs]

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 0#p1831441

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OTOH, KKH & Economic corridor projects makes perfect sense as part of an economic plan for the up-liftment of Xinjiang and Tibet. Bakistan is a big market at least for basic stuff. The Chinese would open factories in Xinjiang, take raw material from AFPAK and flood the AFPAK market with Chinese goods over and above what they are doing now.

I think the Bakis are inviting Britshit v2.0 (Chinese version) just to thumb their nose at India.

[Falijee]

" Outrage after Pakistan sends beef masala as relief material to quake- hit Nepal

This Sharia Compliant neighbour of Nepal recently enacted a "halal ingredient " law to facilitate foodstuff exports to the Gulf Ummah Countries ; therefore gross negligence to the religious sensitivities of other nations should be also be respected; therefore, it is important that the Government of Nepal should take up this serious matter with the highest levels of the Government of Pakistan.

[habal]

the moment random Pakistani spokesman blames MQM/RAW/BLA for a target killing, is the moment ISI/TSPA is caught pants down trying to cover up it's guilt in eyes of the saner world.

pi$$ poor effort, is this the best cover up they can come up with.

[Prem]

"}Is Pakistan pivoting away from Saudi Arabia? By Bruce ReidelBut, Saudis have nobody else to turn to either.They do , Both Saudi and Gulf can be good Munna of India .
They used to be till they found massa and oil.

[/quote]

Thinking Long term. our commerce minister ( BRF fan) just ask Japani (MITI) cooperation in Gas Hydrate mining. This will make Indian energy Independent plus having Saud, Gelfaud
as Munna , Indian will be able to redefine Islam as we know and reform it for good while Paki enjoy smeling Hajar Saal under Chinese body part identified by Ho Chi Minh.

[Tuvaluan]

Gwadar is functional as it is going to be. Hong Kong it will not be. Tanker offloading into some pipe? Why not?

Sure, it is chinese oil so the oil not reaching its intended destination is not a bad thing at all. Securing a live pipeline through Af-Pak, I would like to see the paki sepoy army and the Chinese army do that. Should be fun for everyone else. All in all, I am leaning to admire all these chinese plans in Pakistan - they should get in with both feet. I am sure there will be no future trouble in northern Himachal pradesh/Xinjiang at all for them. Gotta love china's strategic vision.

[Vamsee]

#Pak Foreign office Spokesperson #TasnimAslam warns #India of rehabilitation of #KashmiriPandits

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India should give an "appropriate" Jhapad/response to these buggers

[pankajs]

My knowledge is history is almost nil so I might be completely wrong.

But I get the feeling that the inhabitants of the territory that is now bakjab have since time in memorial depended heavily on hafta wasooli given their location along the main trade route to the Gangetic plains.

Add to that the kabila mentality and the original trade of the prophet and his tribe. All taken together the current elites believes that getting paid heavily for letting passage as well as looting the goods after getting paid as their twin natural rights. The mentality led Djinn after independence to try and sell bakis strategic location to the US. That *strategic location* narrative has continued to be one of the most important policy pillar of bakistan.

They have tasted success with the Americans and take pride in having humbled the two preeminent superpowers of our age Soviet Union and America. The bakis pride themselves on tactical brilliance and their ability to pull a fast one even on friends and benefactors. Soothis have just gotten a taste of this special Baki proclivity.

Will they let the cheenis get away with a straight and honest deal? Not that cheenis are slouches in that department so I see an interesting contest of crookedness.

[Falijee]

Imran Khan’s biopic 'Kaptaan' nearing completion

Although the film's trailer came out two years ago, the film is yet to make its way to cinema screens.

Comment: One reader wanted to know if the (2014) "Dharna Drama" was included in the film, while another reader, asked (of this ex cricketer, who married his present spouse, against the wishes of his immediate family) whether he is devoting enough time to the governance of the KP province, where his party rules

[Falijee]

POST CHINESE COLONIALISM ( OF PAKISTAN)

Two Questions ( if some Forumites can throw some light on it )

FIRST In the long term, what is going to be the reaction of pro Jehadi outfits,(e.g. L.E.T) and the Paki aam abduls , if the Chinese crackdown on the Uighurs intensifies, in the name of "development"

SECOND What is going to be the long term policies of the Amerikhans to the loss of this "ally"; will the Paki double game still continue for the sake of the much needed DOLLAR, which they will still need

[KLNMurthy]

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 0#p1831441

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OTOH, KKH & Economic corridor projects makes perfect sense as part of an economic plan for the up-liftment of Xinjiang and Tibet. Bakistan is a big market at least for basic stuff. The Chinese would open factories in Xinjiang, take raw material from AFPAK and flood the AFPAK market with Chinese goods over and above what they are doing now.

I think the Bakis are inviting Britshit v2.0 (Chinese version) just to thumb their nose at India.

I think it is more fundamental than that: perhaps no Islamic state can survive as such without being the client of a modern, powerful, secular state. Cases in point: pakistan(china), KSA(USA), maldives(India).

To rise above the level of somebody's munna, they would essentially have to give up on the obsolete Islamic model.

[member_22733]

My prediction (worth exactly 2 paisa ):

Nothing will change. Bakistan is not Africa. China is not supernatural.

[Falijee]

Pakistan: Cybercrime Bill Threatens Rights
By Human Rights Watch

New York) – Pakistani lawmakers should reject a new cybercrime prevention bill which contains provisions which threaten rights of privacy and freedom of expression.

“Pakistan's Prevention of Electronic Crimes bill constitutes a clear and present danger to human rights on the pretext of addressing legitimate fears about cybercrime,” Kine said. “If Pakistan's government is serious about protecting its citizens from online threats to their rights and security, it should start by overhauling the Prevention of Electronic Crimes Act bill to remove its potentially abusive provisions.”

Comment: You tube already Banned; now this

[KLNMurthy]

POST CHINESE COLONIALISM ( OF PAKISTAN)

Two Questions ( if some Forumites can throw some light on it )

FIRST In the long term, what is going to be the reaction of pro Jehadi outfits,(e.g. L.E.T) and the Paki aam abduls , if the Chinese crackdown on the Uighurs intensifies, in the name of "development"

SECOND What is going to be the long term policies of the Amerikhans to the loss of this "ally"; will the Paki double game still continue for the sake of the much needed DOLLAR, which they will still need

Abduls and jehadis will make some noise and engage in violence, but it will be unfocused and inconsequential. Chinese understand this, and will handle it at tactical level.

America will have no significant reaction at the visceral level. There is zero noise in America about "losing " Pakistan to China.

They were never clear what they wanted from Pakistan in the first place, except for buying their short term help at exorbitant prices. So they can't be upset about losing what they neither had nor even wanted in the first place. China will see to it that paki nukes will remain a threat but that threat won't materialize in the near term, I think. Not sure if China has moved past Mao's policy of winning a nuclear war by having more Chinese survivors, though.

So, if America reads the situation correctly, they will come to an understanding with China about Pakistan 's nukes, and then just wish China good luck. If they become smart, they won't spend any more money on Pakistan.

[Anindya]

We've enabled this level of chutzpah by allowing Pakistanis to participate in India and not even issuing a demarche for signing deals w/ China around PoK.

Pakistan slams India on efforts to create dedicated townships for 'outsiders' in Kashmir

[Falijee]

Nepal launches enquiry on Pak Aid

THE ORIGINAL REPORT FROM DAILY MAIL

[Anindya]

Of course, the Pakistani whinging has started - congenitally not able to take responsibility for anything...

Pakistan sends food with beef masala to Nepal, blames Indian media for row

[Vipul]

RAPE trying to tom-tom a Paki women IT entrepreneur and ends up giving real picture of IT industry in Pakistan.

According to recent data, Pakistan's software industry employs more than 24,000 people.

[Falijee]

Bogus allegations of RAW involvement now withdrawn!

SSP Malir Rao Anwar was suspended on Thursday, hours after he had alleged in a press briefing that the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) maintains connections with India’s spy agency RAW.

Comment: Only in the "Land of the Pure"!

[Falijee]

New Hajj application asks: ‘Are you Shia?’

ISLAMABAD:
Pakistani pilgrims wishing to perform Hajj this year will have to declare whether they are Shia on their Hajj application forms if they have any hopes of making the sacred pilgrimage.

Confirming that the conditions had been forward by Saudi Arabia, government officials responsible for making Hajj arrangements said, “Saudi Arabia will not entertain any Hajj application from aspirants that fail to specify whether the applicant is a Shia or a Sunni.”

Taking Saudi requirement seriously, the government has added a question on page eight of the Hajj application form with the question “Are you Shia.”

nf

Comment : inter ummah civil war makes its entry in Pakistan ! Can Badmash use his "influence" to repel this requirement !

[ramana]

Momeen will submit to superior force.

Nizam to British, Ottoman to Entente Cordiale etc.

Paki snake is cowering before Chinese mongoose.


But Paki snake being a snake, will try to bite the mongoose and pay for it.

[Vipul]

2 Headed snake will play the taqiyaa and then the maal-e-ghanimat game with the Chinese.

[Agnimitra]

The biggest plan by China is to bring Pakistan completely under its control through the CPEC.

In a word it is colonization, China style. And it will work, the momins of Pakistan military will go along with the program.

Asif Jahi Hyderabad can be a model for understanding Pakistan: it had its own military and potentially huge economic and demographic base but chose to simply live for nearly 200 years as a british protectorate and vassal. Military and security force was useful for suppressing unarmed and impoverished SDRE domestic population.

For 70 years India has allowed Pakistan to maintain the illusion of parity or superiority of US-aided TFTA pakis vis a vis SDRE yindoos. It's like the nizam before police action. But constant testing by Pakistan of this idea has forced even India to falsify this theory. China is essentially here to bring Pakistan to its natural state: subservience and vassalhood of a medieval-concept predator state in the face of what it perceives to be a tallel power in possession of the magic elixir of modernity. America had the opportunity to play that role but in the end lacked the clarity and coherent vision (or maybe even the clear strategic intent) to play the colonial role.

We should expect Pakistan to feel more encouraged to show the yindoo kafirs its power,with the Chinese benevolently looking on, and muttering about peaceful rise. There will be no significant clashes between any elements of Pakistan and the Chinese colonist forces.

I, too, don't see the TFTA's getting too uppity with the Yellow kafir overlord any more than they did with the Anglo overlord. Only difference here is that Khilafat hysteria did produce friction at that time. If Caliphatism rises now, it will similarly cause problems.

Since Caliphatism is tied to prophecy and the various manufactured hadiths that go with it: The hoax Ghazwat-ul-Hind narrative being built up or the last 15 years had people like Tahir-ul-Qadri speaking to lakhs of people - even on a tour to India - of this war that is not just about "Hind", but involves China as well. The narrative has England painted as part of the Dajjal, but says that Sind, Hind and then China will be conquered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR9QI8PuITU

[Falijee]

More details on the killing of activist Sabeen Mahmud

n the Karachi killing, the main problem was not Sabeena Mahmud herself, but two of her guest speakers: Mama Qadeer and Farzana Majeed. Mama Qadeer, who is also called Baloch Gandhi, lost his son Jalil Reki to the enforced disappearances and kill-and-dump policies of the Deep State, while Farzana Majeed has no clue if her brother Zakir Majeed, who was abducted six years back, is dead or alive. There are about 20,000 victim families of enforced disappearances in Balochistan and the two are detested by the Deep State as they publicly articulate the made-in-Pakistan human tragedy that has fallen on them and those families.

[Prem]

Earlier, speaking to party workers Altaf said: “We are called RAW agents every other day. Those who surrendered are called patriots, while the founders of Pakistan are dubbed traitors.”
Hussain's remarks came hours after a senior Karachi Police Officer Rao Anwar called for a ban against the MQM for its alleged links with the Indian secret agency Research and Analysis Wing (RAW).

Altaf Hussain’s remarks against army leadership Honest But Disgusting: ISPR

[Falijee]

Life And Death Of The Mother Of Pakistan

The Inside Story of Mohamed Ali Jinnah's spinster sister by a Pakistani author

In 1947, Pakistan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs requisitioned Mohatta Palace. When Shivrattan Mohatta had wept, no one had listened. When at a state function for Karachi businessmen, the homeless magnate managed to get a minute next to Jinnah, he used it to intercede for his house. He received no sympathy; the founder had himself given up too much. “It is a matter of state,” he simply said before walking off.

[Falijee]

President Ashraf Ghani’s Visit Is Timed For Effect

Most observers in India and many abroad were a little peeved at President Ashraf Ghani’s gesture of visiting Pakistan, and then China, before any other country, immediately on assumption of the presidency of Afghanistan. Former President Hamid Karzai, on an early visit to India, immediately after relinquishing his long held appointment made efforts at assuaging feelings in New Delhi by declaring that sequencing of visits of the new President to various capitals in no way reflected the priorities that Afghanistan maintained in its perception of importance of those countries. What became a major point of discussion was the visit of Ashraf Ghani to the Pakistan Army’s General Headquarters (GHQ) to meet General Raheel Sharif, surely a departure from any known protocol. However, it did indicate the manner in which Ghani perceived the conflict in his country.

Given Ashraf Ghani’s realpolitik and pragmatism one cannot blame him for making his choice. He had to get on board the one organization which if upset could go far beyond the barriers of any norms to secure its awkward interests in his country and that would have meant a virtual civil war. The Pakistan Army and the overall security establishment have their hands too deeply immersed in Afghanistan. They are paranoid about the possibility of India and its intelligence agencies finding even more influence than they already have. Imagined ghosts of Indian interference in Baluchistan through the Afghanistan route give them sleepless nights. “Sending Afghan cadets for military training to Pakistan, allowing Pakistani intelligence officers to interrogate detainees in Afghan detention facilities, conducting military operations on Afghan soil at the request of Pakistan’s military, are but a few examples”, said Aimal Faizi, the former spokesman for Hamid Karzai, referring to the approvals Ashraf Ghani gave to his Pakistani hosts.

[SSridhar]

Don't they have a covert arrangement with the chinese for hard core nuclear stuff??

They did buy the DF-3 (CSS-2) liquid-fuelled IRBMs from China which seem to have been recently replaced with DF-21 solid-fuelled ones. The Chinese also built the launch sites. For the payload carried by these, they however depend on the Pakistanis. Equally importantly, the royal family depended on the Pakistanis for personal protection. Nuclear stuff is all fine but it is largely deterrent. The Saudis need boots on the ground because their own Army or National Guard is impotent. Now, that trust is shaken with the Pakistanis. Egypt can replace Pakistan but the Kingdom's relationship is very complicated with that country with Muslim Brotherhood et al, It has been a smooth one with Pakistan and suddenly there is a huge rift.

[chetak]

Don't they have a covert arrangement with the chinese for hard core nuclear stuff??

They did buy the DF-3 (CSS-2) liquid-fuelled IRBMs from China which seem to have been recently replaced with DF-21 solid-fuelled ones. The Chinese also built the launch sites. For the payload carried by these, they however depend on the Pakistanis. Equally importantly, the royal family depended on the Pakistanis for personal protection. Nuclear stuff is all fine but it is largely deterrent. The Saudis need boots on the ground because their own Army or National Guard is impotent. Now, that trust is shaken with the Pakistanis. Egypt can replace Pakistan but the Kingdom's relationship is very complicated with that country with Muslim Brotherhood et al, It has been a smooth one with Pakistan and suddenly there is a huge rift.

The saudis have just experienced the usual paki KLPD.

The mongrel from the street that they were occasionally feeding in the fond hope that it will stay in the street and also serve as a cheap watchdog has very unexpectedly just bared it's yellowed fangs at them.

The gelf ummah has been taken by totally surprise at the open hostility displayed by the historically and longtime boot licking, fawning, obsequious, slavelike, submissive, subservient, sycophantic, toadyish, paki ummah towards their "gelf benefactors".

The saudis seem to have learned well from their amreki counterparts in thinking better paki body bags than saudi body bags

[Vipul]

If Saudis have received DF-21 from the Chinese why is there no coverage about it? China supplied CSS-2 to Saudi before MTCR came into force. If they have indeed given Df-21 now wouldn't they be in Violation of MTCR?

[SSridhar]

Vipul, the Chinese claim that the four new N-reactors it is supplying to Pakistan are grandfathered under an old agreement while IAEA and everyone else knows it is a blatant lie. How to prove it?

[Vipul]

True but the same grand fathering or any other argument cannot be used by china if they have supplied DF-21 to Saudi Arabia.It is a clear violation.