Inder Malhotra's series on 1962 war

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* Right up to the point when China launched a major offensive, both the political and the Indian Army top brass were convinced that military engagement at the contested border would never go beyond small-scale skirmishes and limited operations. There was no expectation and hence preparation for dealing with a large-scale assault, despite mounting evidence to the contrary
The Indian side was surprised with the global lack of support during the run upto to the war. Soviet Union and US were each seeking their support and PRC saw an opening. The scale of Chinese military action was also more than anticipated by Indian leadership.
Nehru lacked the geo political support in 1962 which he thought he had due to his moral politics from previous years.
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China timed the 1962 war very well. It shows that it was well prepared all along, it saw a window of opportunity, and it moved very quickly.
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Also don't forget the West universally condemned Goa take over earlier that year. Operation Vijay. 1962 is very unusual year for India with all that going on.
Also check out the visitors to Delhi that year which sort of lulled dilli.

What instructions were given to Indian Embassies early that year would be interesting to know.
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Major SC Joshi of 1/8 GR recalling the 1962 war



via http://www.aame.in/2015/08/video-1962-i ... ed-by.html
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Bruce Riedel, "JFK's Forgotten Crisis: Tibet, the CIA, and Sino-Indian War"
ISBN: 0815726996 | 2015 177 pages | 395 KB
Bruce Riedel provides new perspective and insights into Kennedy's forgotten crisis in the most dangerous days of the cold war.

The Cuban Missile Crisis defined the presidency of John F. Kennedy. But during the same week that the world stood transfixed by the possibility of nuclear war between the United States and the Soviet Union, Kennedy was also consumed by a war that has escaped history's attention, yet still significantly reverberates today: the Sino-Indian conflict.

As well-armed troops from the People's Republic of China surged into Indian-held territory in October 1962, Kennedy ordered an emergency airlift of supplies to the Indian army. He engaged in diplomatic talks that kept the neighboring Pakistanis out of the fighting. The conflict came to an end with a unilateral Chinese cease-fire, relieving Kennedy of a decision to intervene militarily in support of India.

Bruce Riedel, a CIA and National Security Council veteran, provides the first full narrative of this crisis, which played out during the tense negotiations with Moscow over Cuba. He also describes another, nearly forgotten episode of U.S. espionage during the war between India and China: secret U.S. support of Tibetan opposition to Chinese occupation of Tibet. He details how the United States, beginning in 1957, trained and parachuted Tibetan guerrillas into Tibet to fight Chinese military forces. The United States did not abandon this covert support until relations were normalized with China in the 1970s.

Riedel tells this story of war, diplomacy, and covert action with authority and perspective. He draws on newly declassified letters between Kennedy and Indian leader Jawaharlal Nehru, along with the diaries and memoirs of key players and other sources, to make this the definitive account of JFK's forgotten crisis. This is, Riedel writes, Kennedy's finest hour as you have never read it before.
Aspect of US covert action from India not considered if this triggered Mao to attack while US was busy with Cuba.
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Ppl micro-analyzing China war and giving this and that political excuse for Indian defeat, ignore the context provided by history. Consider what happened to Gen. McArthur and his "Home By XMas" braggadio when the "UN" with all its resources and superiority, went charging up to the Yalu River. Did they not have far superior intel-gathering /recon abilities than India? Weren't the Korean mountains much lower than the Himalayas? Why do you imagine that the PLA would not have defeated the Indian forces strung out along the frozen ridges? There were no roads worth mentioning, no air power worth mentioning, and no understanding of war in the political leadership.

This is what rankles:

Blaming it on Indian PM Nehru's "moral policies" and the resulting "lack of geopolitical support" is, sorry, not sensible or productive other than to identify the biases of the person making the statements. Would India have won the war if Tikka Khan were dictator instead of Nehru? Would Indian history have turned out much better?

If India were militarized under a bloody dictator, and thus committed 30 million people to go die in the war, perhaps the war would have been a stalemate with the LOC along Mt. Everest and Mt. Kailash.
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Ramana: to our point about Delhi being lulled by all its foreign visitors, should we ask ourselves if we are being lulled again by all the India-US bonhomie and Modi's foreign policy success. I hope gunpowder is dry always. Even many analysts always convenitnely predict that China may attack India in the next 3 years. We should be prepared for an attack by lunchtime today - every day
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IA which will bear the brunt of the attack is ready every day.
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Rest in peace. We will miss you.

You are the only journalist to have a dedicated thread in BRF.

Jai Hind!!!
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The following is not from the late Inder Malhotra, but fits in here in the overall context of the 1962 war.

Losing the war, winning the peace - Bérénice Guyot-Réchard, The Hindu
India is not short of memories on 1962. The India-China War ended fifty-five years ago to the day, yet each winter brings back reminiscences of the conflict. The Chinese assault on the Thagla Ridge early in the morning of October 20, 1962, which turned simmering military tensions into open war. The doomed struggle of ill-equipped jawans. Jawaharlal Nehru’s awkward radio address to Assam, just as the Chinese seemed poised to enter the plains. The unilateral ceasefire that China announced on November 21, 1962, saving Assam but ending India’s chance of recovering the Aksai Chin. And above all, the scar of national humiliation at the hands of a triumphant China.

But is there all there was to the war? One can doubt it. Standard histories of 1962 almost completely ignore a key aspect of the conflict: the way the authorities and people of Arunachal Pradesh — the North-East Frontier Agency (NEFA), as it was then called — experienced it. Look away from the fighting and the India-China War takes on quite a different hue, one where the war does not end at the point of ceasefire and where the roles of winners, losers and bystanders aren’t so neatly divided.

The October shock

When large-scale fighting erupted between China and India, it did not take long for NEFA’s civilian officials to realise their entire administration was in jeopardy. By October 23, Tawang had to be abandoned. Meanwhile, Chinese troops were advancing onto Walong in the east. The retreat of the Indian Army entailed that of the civilian administration. Dozens of administrative centres were evacuated, leaving most of northern NEFA unoccupied and open for Chinese occupation. Thousands of Tibetan refugees followed suit, along with many local people (Picture shows refugees fleeing from the India-China border war, in 1962). Evacuee officials focussed on organising relief, and even began considering their permanent rehabilitation elsewhere in Assam. At the time, India’s loss of NEFA seemed in danger of becoming permanent.

The war formally came to an end with China’s unilateral ceasefire on November 21, but the crisis did not. Gains in the Aksai Chin aside, the People’s Republic of China (PRC) now occupied significant portions of NEFA. Officially this was temporary, but everything was done to complicate India’s return. Government stores, supplies, equipment, furnishings, weapons and often buildings were systematically damaged, eaten or destroyed. The People’s Liberation Army (PLA) pointedly delayed its departure, keeping Indian troops and officials in the dark about it. On January 17, 1963 the Chinese still occupied Tawang. The local official only resumed his duties a few days later. In military terms, the India-China War had lasted only a month. As an occupation, almost three.

Battle for hearts and minds

What most worried India’s frontier officials was how the inhabitants would receive them back. India’s state presence in NEFA was recent. The Raj’s eastern Himalayan frontier had barely been administered and remained poorly explored. Civilian administrators had made huge efforts since 1950 to consolidate India’s sovereignty over the region; but given the difficult terrain, wet climate, and financial and human shortages, doing so required local inhabitants’ cooperation. Gaining the loyalty of the Mishmis, Monpas or Adis was an aim in itself, if they were to become Indian citizens. Winning them over was key. The problem was that Indian officials’ state-building per force had to contend with the PRC’s own efforts in nearby Tibet. China too faced an uphill struggle to concretise its hold there, and it too needed border inhabitants’ cooperation. Yet, in this porous Himalayan borderland criss-crossed by social, cultural or family ties and regular movement, people had ample opportunity to observe and compare what India and China respectively offered — both the good and the bad. The result was a fierce competition for Himalayan hearts and minds, well before military and diplomatic tensions appeared between the two countries.

This struggle for authority and legitimacy did not stop when fighting erupted. On the contrary, the 1962 War offered China a chance to gain the upper hand in it. There is much evidence that the PRC’s occupation of northern NEFA was a sort of public relations exercise vis-à-vis local people. Indian officials came back to Tawang to find that no women had been molested and nothing taken without payment; houses, monasteries and possessions were intact. Chinese troops had brought in gifts and exotic goods and made every effort to convince people that their religion, customs, and freedom would be respected. In fact, China had one key message for the people of NEFA: it was there to liberate them from India.

The story of NEFA’s occupation suggests that, among other things, the 1962 War was China’s chance to prove to Himalayan people that it was the better state — whereas a weak India could neither protect nor deliver. The unilateral ceasefire and withdrawal helped preserve the image of Chinese invulnerability and benevolence vis-à-vis local inhabitants while preventing an international escalation of the conflict. “Tell us to come back and we’ll free you from India,” departing troops reportedly said.

In an ideal scenario, Himalayan inhabitants would do just that. More realistically, a China-supported, anti-Indian uprising might erupt like in nearby Nagaland — and India would stop posing a threat to China’s sovereignty in Tibet.

Going back

India’s frontier officials had every reason to worry about returning to NEFA. Would people welcome them back considering China’s impressive wartime performance? To their own surprise, the answer was by and large yes. Many inhabitants expressed both their disappointment at having been left behind and their support for Indian authorities’ return. They made concrete demands to ensure that the disappointment would not re-occur, and that their support would be rewarded. Something strange was happening. China had won the war on both fronts, military and political; yet this had not been enough to win people over, especially since many people had heard of repression in Tibet from refugees passing through. In hindsight, China’s demonstration of superiority seems to have been counter-productive. The Indian state might be weaker and less efficient, but from the inhabitants’ standpoint it was less of a risk, and offered more chance for negotiation.

On that count, we may need to revise our standard narrative of 1962.
The war was not just about winning more territory (in the Aksai Chin) or teaching India a lesson (which it did). It was also about winning over hearts and minds. And if the PRC did win the war, on that front it also lost the peace.

Bérénice Guyot-Réchard teaches contemporary history at King’s College London. Her book, ‘Shadow States: India, China and the Himalayas, 1910-1962’, was published this year
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^^ Quite some interesting points in the article. Thanks for posting
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Chinese wanted to win hearts and minds of Buddhist people !!! is the author on drugs?? they were there to teach them ( india+buddhist people) a lesson. god lord. Do u win hearts and minds with a shooting war ??
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Neville Maxwell is at it again, at his number one favourite topic- refute the idea that China was the aggressor in 1962, and put the blame on India. The latest Outlook India, carries a review by him of Lintner's book on the 1962 war. Maxwell strongly rebukes Lintner and repeats the Chinese position and propaganda. Of course, no mention by Maxwell of Tibet, he just assumes that Tibet is China's property, and China has the right to do anything with it.

Should BRFites ignore Maxwell, who is 91 this year, and still criticising India for that war. Or does he need to be answered. It's annoying that Indian magazines are still giving an outlet to the Maxwell's of this world. The guy is no well wisher of India, nor does he have a history of anti-colonial writing and support. Would China give so much prominence to someone displaying sympathy for India during that conflict?
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To refute him we need to know his points.

Yes he should be refuted.
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https://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/s ... ach/299623

Maxwell criticising Bernard Lintner, and repeating the same things about how enlightened China was, and how unreasonable India was.

Oh, and notice how Maxwell does allude to British imperialism, but only insofar as India's eastern boundaries are concerned! Have never heard of Maxwell denouncing British colonialism per se, in India, Africa, the Caribbean et al. Colonialism as in economic exploitation and ethno-racial supremacy.
Not colonialism as in the boundary drawn on the India-China border. It's easy for fakes and phonies to bring that up, because they have no interest in denouncing the ideology and practice of colonialism. They just don't want India to have the exact borders that it does!
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