True, the Abrahamics can not deal with *diversity*. However, this trait is not limited to those who adhere to the Abrahamic faits in the West, it is pervasive: even those who are leftists/liberals/whatever have a problem with accepting those who have a different culture/values/way of thinking than the Western culture, values and way of thinking. It is difficult/impossible to be yourself. You always have to wear a mask, a white mask, if your cultural and philosophic reference is other than the European culture. And if you happen to be non-white, then it's easy to find yourself cornered. Western culture (values, etc.) is the best possible, if non-Western people want to evolve/advance than it is necessary to copy the West (and its Christian outlook).CRamS wrote (Page 33, Posted: 28 May 2015 18:17)
This is not limited to TSP alone. Its an Abrahamic trait. LokeshCJi can elucidate more eloquently than me, but one has to witness how US "Americnaizes" and appropriates anything exotic and "them" to become part of "us", and what you are left with is the original without a soul. Just witness any of the African American politicans like Obama or Indian American clowns like Haley or Jindal or Verma who are more Catholic and Protestant than the Pope or Archbishop.
That is an interesting observation that I had not thought about.A_Gupta wrote:^^^ Shiv, if we take terrorism to be a dysfunctional response to modernity (where I leave modernity unspecified but assume we agree on what it is), and we understand Pakistan's role in global terrorism, the conclusion is inescapable, that Pakistan has delayed integration of Muslims into modernizing societies worldwide, to the extent that they have succeeded in exporting the ideology underlying terrorism. That ideology doesn't always result in terrorism, but that ideology is unable to cope with modernity.
If a concrete example is needed of how the Pakistani mentality does this, just the difference between Bangladeshis and Pakistanis immigrants in England would do: http://www.dawn.com/news/1168865
'Modernity' or bhesternization?A_Gupta wrote:^^^ Shiv, if we take terrorism to be a dysfunctional response to modernity (where I leave modernity unspecified but assume we agree on what it is), and we understand Pakistan's role in global terrorism, the conclusion is inescapable, that Pakistan has delayed integration of Muslims into modernizing societies worldwide, to the extent that they have succeeded in exporting the ideology underlying terrorism. That ideology doesn't always result in terrorism, but that ideology is unable to cope with modernity.
If a concrete example is needed of how the Pakistani mentality does this, just the difference between Bangladeshis and Pakistanis immigrants in England would do: http://www.dawn.com/news/1168865
Gunmen in Pakistan's restive Balochistan province have attacked two buses, killing at least 19 passengers, officials have said.
The province's Home Minister Sarfraz Bugti said unidentified militants boarded the vehicles travelling to Karachi on Friday evening.
Passengers were then ordered off and shot dead, officials said.
Balochistan has seen a long-running conflict between separatists and security forces.
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AoABhurishrava wrote:Suicide blast outside Gaddhafi cricket stadium.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1 ... hore-blast
The pakis were working hard to claim it was a transformer blast.
But news came out anyway.
http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 078_1.html
Clearly, someone doesn't want kirkit in bakiland. But, what surprises me is that Bakis are thinking of kirkit when there are so many other issues facing their nation.Bhurishrava wrote:Suicide blast outside Gaddhafi cricket stadium.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1 ... hore-blast
The pakis were working hard to claim it was a transformer blast.
But news came out anyway.
http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 078_1.html
Pure birathers killing less pure birathers to make pureland more pure. At this rate Bakistan will become 400% pure soon.ArmenT wrote:From the BBC:
Pakistan bus raids: Balochistan gunmen kill at least 19Gunmen in Pakistan's restive Balochistan province have attacked two buses, killing at least 19 passengers, officials have said.
The province's Home Minister Sarfraz Bugti said unidentified militants boarded the vehicles travelling to Karachi on Friday evening.
Passengers were then ordered off and shot dead, officials said.
Balochistan has seen a long-running conflict between separatists and security forces.
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Bhurishrava wrote:Suicide blast outside Gaddhafi cricket stadium.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1 ... hore-blast
It's the cricket that rakes in the hundreds of millions upon hundreds of millions of dollars. The illegal betting, the ad revenues, the TV rights, ticket sales and the shady payoffs to even shadier people like sharyaar Khan and of course, to the shadiest people in the BCCI.johneeG wrote:Clearly, someone doesn't want kirkit in bakiland. But, what surprises me is that Bakis are thinking of kirkit when there are so many other issues facing their nation.Bhurishrava wrote:Suicide blast outside Gaddhafi cricket stadium.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1 ... hore-blast
The pakis were working hard to claim it was a transformer blast.
But news came out anyway.
http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 078_1.html
Sources of Income for Bakistani elitejohneeG wrote:Bhurishrava wrote:But, what surprises me is that Bakis are thinking of kirkit when there are so many other issues facing their nation.
They have been paid off to complete the tour.Comer wrote:Can't believe how Zimbabwe cricket board allowed its players to.go on tour disregarding safety issues. Would be really surprised if the tour continues.
chetak wrote:It's the cricket that rakes in the hundreds of millions upon hundreds of millions of dollars. The illegal betting, the ad revenues, the TV rights, ticket sales and the shady payoffs to even shadier people like sharyaar Khan and of course, to the shadiest people in the BCCI.johneeG wrote: Clearly, someone doesn't want kirkit in bakiland. But, what surprises me is that Bakis are thinking of kirkit when there are so many other issues facing their nation.
they are certainly thinking of other issues when they talk cricket because cricket FUNDS all the other issues.
Avinash R wrote:Sources of Income for Bakistani elitejohneeG wrote:But, what surprises me is that Bakis are thinking of kirkit when there are so many other issues facing their nation.
1) Drug Smuggling
2) Baksheesh from Four Fathers
3) Cricket Matches ( Illegal Betting, Spot fixing, Match Fixing, TV Sponsorship and Cut from players income)
Bakistan needs money from cricket to keep its terror factories running to spread pakistaniat all across the world
Bhurishrava wrote:Suicide blast outside Gaddhafi cricket stadium.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1 ... hore-blast
The pakis were working hard to claim it was a transformer blast.
But news came out anyway.
http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 078_1.html
From Hindustan Times:Information minister Pervaiz Rashid confirmed to the media that the blast near the Gaddafi Stadium which killed two people, including a police officer, was a suicide attack.
Rashid praised the Pakistan Broadcasters Association for "covering up" the news while the match was underway.
It is the aam abdul's money which is siphoned off through betting. If a India-Pakistan match can be used to siphon off crores, even a Pakistan-Australia will siphon off only lakhs.johneeG wrote: If fixing & betting is priority, they can always fix & bet on other teams and matches. Why the insistence on kirkit for baki team in baki land? Why this obsession about returning kirkit to baki land?
I think someone high up in the baki land has decided that the kirkit will keep aam abduls distracted and happy. That also explains why kirkit might be under attack by the opposite camp.
johneeG wrote:
chetak wrote:
{quote="johneeG"}
Clearly, someone doesn't want kirkit in bakiland. But, what surprises me is that Bakis are thinking of kirkit when there are so many other issues facing their nation.{/quote}
It's the cricket that rakes in the hundreds of millions upon hundreds of millions of dollars. The illegal betting, the ad revenues, the TV rights, ticket sales and the shady payoffs to even shadier people like sharyaar Khan and of course, to the shadiest people in the BCCI.
they are certainly thinking of other issues when they talk cricket because cricket FUNDS all the other issues.Sources of Income for Bakistani eliteAvinash R wrote:
{quote="johneeG"}But, what surprises me is that Bakis are thinking of kirkit when there are so many other issues facing their nation.
1) Drug Smuggling
2) Baksheesh from Four Fathers
3) Cricket Matches ( Illegal Betting, Spot fixing, Match Fixing, TV Sponsorship and Cut from players income)
Bakistan needs money from cricket to keep its terror factories running to spread pakistaniat all across the world{/quote}
If fixing & betting is priority, they can always fix & bet on other teams and matches. Why the insistence on kirkit for baki team in baki land? Why this obsession about returning kirkit to baki land?
I think someone high up in the baki land has decided that the kirkit will keep aam abduls distracted and happy. That also explains why kirkit might be under attack by the opposite camp.
Quick! Someone impose a news blackout on Zimbabwe before they find out!
BR Research: Is $46 billion for real? We ask this because China's total outward FDI all over the world to date is $660 billion. Of this, $330 billion went to Hong Kong, which is its own backyard. The next two major destinations are Cayman Islands and British Virgin Islands, which are tax havens; so you minus that out of the equation as well. The biggest number of Chinese FDI stock to date is $21 billion in the US, which is less than half of the $46 billion pledge that China has made to Pakistan.
Mustafa Sayed: The number may seem huge but you have to put it in the perspective of Pakistan's strategic partnership with China, and the importance which China attaches to a prosperous Pakistan. The corridor will essentially be a trade route, with export and import hubs along the way, as well as oil and gas route for China in the future, which can help Pakistan become a prosperous nation.
In China's future economic strategy of energy security, of maritime security and of maritime areas of influence, therefore, Pakistan's role is the key. So the economic corridor is not about today, it's about tomorrow.
BRR: Still, how does one reconcile with such a figure when biggest Chinese investment anywhere in the world is $21 billion and that too in a country like the US?
MS: Again, you have to see it in the context of this geopolitical strategy which China has with Pakistan - and it's very different from the geo-political context of US-China relations or any other country where China has poured in investments. The $46 billion investment is on a win-win basis. {Right, China's 600+ billion investments in other countries is on a lose-lose, lose-win, or win-lose basis } It's very good for Pakistan because China is the only game in town - it's the only real investor which is jumping right in. There are no 'oohs' and 'aahs'; it's no holds barred.
You also have to see that the economic corridor is broken down into different phases, which means the $46 is not coming in one go. The first phase is the early harvest projects. These are the projects that are most immediate that we are going to do now. That's a basket of about 13 to 14 projects by and large. They are already listed, they are announced. These include the likes of Gwadar-related projects - such as Gwadar international airport, construction of breakwaters, dredging of berthing areas & channels - railway projects, Havelian dry port, and road projects such as KKH Phase II (Raikot-Islamabad Section), and the Karachi-Lahore Motorway (Multan-Sukkur Section).
BRR: How many billions can we expect by FY16?
MS: It's difficult to put a number for a given year but $12-15 billion can be expected to come in the early harvest projects.
So the MoUs signed say nothing about the financing, except that "it will come from China".BRR: What's the percentage of loans and how much is actual investment?
MS: It's too early to say at the moment. But whatever the size of loans, the financing will come from China. It will be a concessional loan with costs ranging between 1 and 1.5 percent, with payback periods of 15 to 25 years, which is extremely competitive.
Another Kafir insulting Islam and the fortress of Islam! What I like even more is how they shortchanged a few of their four fathers when one of their fathers offered them this mirage on a stick.Gagan wrote:Why would any sane investor sink even a dollar in an islamized terrorist hellhole hain ji?
(from my blog, quoted in its entiretyThis is from 1944, "The House that Jinnah Built", by B.G. Kaushik.
[Jinnah] has not hesitated to align himself with the most reactionary forces in the country.......
Mr Jinnah is reported to have not even spared Muslims of another nation of his disruptionist message and "strongly disapproved of the Chinese Muslims' co-operation with the Hans, as the majority of the Chinese are sometimes called."
Footnote: John Kin in an article published in the American magazine "Asia" refers to the attitude of Chinese Muslims towards Pakistan and the Indian Muslim League. Kin says in the article: "A written appeal, addressed to Mr. Mohammed Ali Jinnah, President of the Indian Muslim League, urging him to co-operate with the Indian National Congress, was drafted to be signed by General Omar Pai Chungshi, China's No. 1 Mohammedan general and Deputy Chief of Staff of the Chinese Army, in his capacity as President of the Chinese Islamic Salvation Federation, representing all of the Chinese Muslims."
Then Kin refers to the Chinese goodwill mission brought to India by Mr Othman K.H. Woo in 1941. He writes, Mr. Woo's "mission in India, however was merely to inform the Muslims there of the activities of their Chinese co-religionists, and to gather information on the spot about Muslims in India.....In an interview, he (Mr. Woo) reported back to Chungking, the President of the Indian Muslim League was quoted as having strongly disapproved of the Chinese Muslims' co-operation with the Hans, as the majority of the Chinese population are sometimes called."
The Pakis are now forwarding Indian jihadis to the middle east to train them to attack India under the ISIS tag -- this is not the same ISIS that operates in the middle east, but seems to be entirely run by the pakis, which should not surprise us. The Bhatkal Brothers and the Indian Mujahideen are now finished, and the pakis are trying to replace IM with ISIS and so they can plausibly deny that they have nothing to do with this so-called ISIS in India.Sagar G wrote:Busted ISIS module in Ratlam was targeting RSS, BJP leaders
M.P. ATS is awesome and one of the most successful squad in the country, over the years they have cracked the nuts of SIMI and other Islamists in the state.The first ISIS module busted by the security agencies in Ratlam last month had plans to target RSS and the BJP leaders and police officers. In an IB-led operation backed by sustained investigation and follow up of leads, the Madhya Pradesh Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) had arrested Imran Khan, Waseem, Rizwan and Anwar Qureshi, all residents of Ratlam, who were radicalised over the internet during the last one year by one Yousuf-al-Hindi.
"This group was being persuaded to carry out terrorist strikes in India by targeting Police Officers, BJP/RSS leaders etc. outside Madhya Pradesh. Yousuf was guiding this group through cyber chat, "the IB report said.
When Yousuf started interacting with this group, he was based in Afghanistan-Pakistan border but recently shifted to Syria. While the correct identity of Yousuf is not yet fully established, he is suspected to be either Sultan Armar or Shafi Armar (both brothers and residents of Bhatkal in Karnataka) who were active members of Indian Mujahideen and had escaped to Karachi in 2009-10.
"On instructions from Yousuf, the group had acquired two pistols and was also being guided on how to assemble xIEDs from locally available explosives," the Intelligence Bureau report said.
Imran Khan, the local leader of the group, had traveled to Dubai on five occasions during 2003-08 and once to Saudi Arabia in 2014. While the arrests of Imran, Waseem and Rizwan were made mid-April onwards, Anwar was nabbed on May 2.
While individual Muslim youths were getting attracted from certain States to the Islamist agenda of ISIS, this is the first time that an organized group was being tutored by the international terror group to carry out terror strikes within the country.
Before Axact, there was the Bank of Credit and Commerce International.
In recent days, Pakistan has been rocked by revelations about the improprieties of Axact, a Karachi-based software company.
CheersA Very Bad Bank : In 1991, details emerged of astonishing levels of malfeasance at an institution called the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI). Founded in 1972 by a Pakistani named Agha Hasan Abedi (who served as director until 1990), the bank became synonymous with fraud on the most massive (and global) of scales. BCCI attracted all the wrong superlatives: Biggest corporate criminal enterprise, biggest Ponzi scheme, biggest bank fraud scandal. Many jokingly called it the Bank of Crooks and Criminals International.
BCCI, interestingly, was originally launched to provide an alternative to the global financial institutions of the West–a deeply corrupt precursor to today’s Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (investigations of BCCI would later find that Abedi’s stated goal was “to fight the evil influence of the West”). Yet in the end, BCCI merely dragged unknowing banks in the West — and across the developing world–into its huge web of illicit and highly profitable transactions
A_Gupta Ji :A_Gupta wrote:Jinnah said something like the Pakistan movement or struggle began when the first Muslim set step in Sindh.
If you have the date on which he said this readily available (please don't waste time searching) or date and venue, I'd appreciate it.
CheersMuhammad_bin_Qasim‘Imād ad-Dīn Muḥammad ibn Qāsim ath-Thaqafī (c. 31 December 695 – 18 July 715) was an Umayyad general who conquered the Sindh and Multan regions along the Indus River (now a part of Pakistan) for the Umayyad Caliphate.
Exactly,Tuvaluan wrote:The Pakis are now forwarding Indian jihadis to the middle east to train them to attack India under the ISIS tag -- this is not the same ISIS that operates in the middle east, but seems to be entirely run by the pakis, which should not surprise us. The Bhatkal Brothers and the Indian Mujahideen are now finished, and the pakis are trying to replace IM with ISIS and so they can plausibly deny that they have nothing to do with this so-called ISIS in India.