Telugu States' News and Discussion

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Postby Virupaksha » 30 May 2015 15:08

nageshks wrote:
Virupaksha wrote:TDP in its 30 years of existence did not give a brahmin MLA or MP ticket. Their leadership lineage can be seen in justice party and tdp.


Wasn't Samudrala Venugopalachary (ex MP from Adilabad, who just defected to TRS) a Brahmin?

I might have missed him in my research, but isnt Adilabad generally a reserved constituency??

ok seems like it was a made a reserve one in 2004 and I assumed it was since start. I apologise for the comment and am going to edit it.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby hanumadu » 30 May 2015 15:29

Its not fair to blame Venkaiah Naidu for what his relatives do, if at all they are doing it. Before Namo won, people were in despair. Now that he won, people are trigger happy.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby bhavani » 30 May 2015 23:21

Aditya_V wrote:Varun Motors Somajiguda Hyderabad?



Varun Motors in spread all across Andhra. It is not just in Hyd.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby bhavani » 30 May 2015 23:45

hanumadu wrote:Its not fair to blame Venkaiah Naidu for what his relatives do, if at all they are doing it. Before Namo won, people were in despair. Now that he won, people are trigger happy.


It is not about what his relatives do, and no body is blaming Venkaiah naidu for that. The biggest point one has to understand that the biggest or most powerful weapon is Money and EJ's have plenty of it right now. A lot of political leaders from AP (BJP YSRC, or TDP) or their relatives/backers have links with EJ's with money. They have no will to work against conversions.

None of these leaders have no genuine Indic Viewpoints and most don't feel that Christianity is threatening Hinduism in AP. The old Kamma political activity in Vijaywada/Krishna area started out under the aegis of Communist ideologies.

One point most of the posters seems to not recognize is that Brahmins are not a power center in Andhra anymore. They simply don't have the money or muscle power. They are too spread out and there is a quite bit of in fighting between the various factions/variants of brahmins. EVen Kammas, Reddys now realize that and that is the reason that rampany anti-brahminism is not there anymore in Andhra. Most feel that Brahmins are too weak or powerless.

A lot of Kamma folks back in the day, ate Beef, not because they like it, but as a kind of Snub towards Brahmins. But now most Kamma, reddys, Velama, Rajulu, wont eat Beef.

But this unbridled run towards money and power, with no genuine philosophical, Dharmic thought process behind it, is what is going to bring down Hinduism in Andhra, If these leaders dont realize this soon enough Andhra is on the way of being another Tamil Nadu.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby chandrasekhar.m » 31 May 2015 08:55

nageshks wrote:Please to look up Varun Motors, who owns it & what it is doing, saar.

saar, Varun motors or Harsha toyota? Also Chutneys chain of restaurants in Hyderabad belongs to Venkaiah Naidu's family, IIRC (dont know if its spread across both Telugu states)

We should not be surprised if powerful politicians from the Telugu states also have big businesses. That seems to be true across all parties here.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby a_bharat » 31 May 2015 09:27

About Kammas & Brahmins: I think it is wrong to say that Kammas hate Brahmins. Perhaps, 30 years back Kammas resented being looked down upon by the Brahmins with the Sudra tag. Now, they just don't give a damn. If any, they admire some of the qualities of Brahmins.

Brahmins were significantly affected by NTR's two actions: 1. Purging of the Munasab/Karanam system and 2. Sudden reduction of retirement age from 58 to 55. I believe the former was a right step and the latter a stupid move.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby member_28533 » 31 May 2015 10:04

bhavani wrote: It is not about what his relatives do, and no body is blaming Venkaiah naidu for that. The biggest point one has to understand that the biggest or most powerful weapon is Money and EJ's have plenty of it right now. A lot of political leaders from AP (BJP YSRC, or TDP) or their relatives/backers have links with EJ's with money. They have no will to work against conversions.

None of these leaders have no genuine Indic Viewpoints and most don't feel that Christianity is threatening Hinduism in AP. The old Kamma political activity in Vijaywada/Krishna area started out under the aegis of Communist ideologies.

One point most of the posters seems to not recognize is that Brahmins are not a power center in Andhra anymore. They simply don't have the money or muscle power. They are too spread out and there is a quite bit of in fighting between the various factions/variants of brahmins. EVen Kammas, Reddys now realize that and that is the reason that rampant anti-brahminism is not there anymore in Andhra. Most feel that Brahmins are too weak or powerless.

A lot of Kamma folks back in the day, ate Beef, not because they like it, but as a kind of Snub towards Brahmins. But now most Kamma, reddys, Velama, Rajulu, wont eat Beef.

But this unbridled run towards money and power, with no genuine philosophical, Dharmic thought process behind it, is what is going to bring down Hinduism in Andhra, If these leaders dont realize this soon enough Andhra is on the way of being another Tamil Nadu.


Good post with a realistic assessment of situation, except the last point - Andhra has already degraded worse than TN. People have degraded themselves due to their myopic materialist pursuits and caste-fascism + reactions to that fascist behavior. The blind rush for money is evident in all castes - not just the dominant landed castes like Kamma or Reddy but even Brahmins or BCs. The caste obsession is prominent in dominant landed castes. There are perhaps more poojas being done in AP than any corner of India daily, but people are firmly focused on materialist aspects and have been desensitized internally to everything except their selfish interest.

A modern day peculiarity is how in this age where universalism is persistently drilled through schools and media, casteist supremacism has survived and continues to thrive in AP. A reason is that casteism is the most logical way to hang on to landed assets from one gen to next as well as provide security for landed property. Another interesting fact - they have been sending their children to US for the past 3-4 decades, and once they get married in the states and end up with US citizenship, they usually send their kids back to their grandparents place to be brought up. This is done in order to avoid developing any "dangerous" universalist ideas like "brotherhood of all humans" or "brotherhood of all hindus". The grandparents brainwash these kids from an early age about the supremacism of their caste and need to support their own kind irrespective of right/wrong.

While it is true that Christian faith is growing due to financial allurement, this caste-fascism is also ensuring its steady growth by offering a way out for some BC communities. Its another story that they sell a totally different kool aid to the landed gentry - saying you dont have to sacrifice caste just by converting.

A detailed example - Sidhhartha Engg college in Vijayawada is perhaps one of the most casteist colleges in AP.. during a final year engg examination of my cousin's unhappy undergrad stint there, a student apparently collapsed due to a sudden epileptic bout and fell down writhing in pain, semi conscious .. seems majority of the class didnt even flinch and continued writing their papers because he was "not from their caste".. and these are 19-20 yr olds. Then there is institutionalized casteism - school cafeteria should be vacated by everyone if Chowdaries (Kammas) enter, School sports ground should be vacated if Chowdaries enter, nobody is allowed to talk to a Chowdary girl, libraries contain books of kamma supremacism, farewell and freshers parties organized on a caste basis, even faculty are in on it - best recommendations inevitably go to Kamma students without bothering about academic performance... the littany is unending. Just type the words "kamma caste" on google chacha and see how many websites pop up.

Frankly, this stinking discrimination was a main reason why Brahmins and everyone else voted so long for Congress.. YSR and most Reddy politicians were perceived as selfish and look after their own like Christians, but not as bad as Kammas who just dont let anyone else grow due to an "islamic" mindset - particularly their open aggression and supremacist nature. Even those Brahmins who hate YSR's encouragement of Christianity, will say they would've voted for him in a heartbeat if he were around given the lack of alternatives. Note - nobody says the same about his semi-mad, violent son.

The only way BJP can grow is not by sucking up to Reddys and Kaapus and bringing back the same moneybag industrialists who were part of C-system into power through another route, but by bringing in a fresh leader belonging to an unrepresented community to power - mostly a strong leader (corruption is not an issue as much as being "caste neutral" is) with ideological conviction. In brief a Hindu, non-Reddy of the YSR mold would be able to unite everyone and control EJs. Perhaps someone like Chaganti Koteswara Rao - the great spiritualist who is playing a major role in saving Hindu dharma through his speeches and who is universally respected by even your avg christian SC Rickshaw Pullers and muslim BC auto drivers, inspite of preaching Sangh ideology and Vedic scriptural knowledge. Perhaps someone more politically savvy and belonging to a more acceptable "backward" community than Guruvugaru.

Relying on Venkiah to revive BJP in AP is so wrong at many levels. But of course, the great omniscient Modi/Shah already know everything and now that someone here claims to know what they think (perhaps there is a portal into Modi/Shah's heads ala the one in "Being John Malkovich") and deigned to confirm that "they will not abandon us poor Andhras", am sure most Andhras feel immensely placated.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby a_bharat » 31 May 2015 12:28

I heard about the casteism in Siddhartha Engineering College. It has got to be one sick place attracting people of mediocre quality whose only source of pride is their caste. There should be some rule to cap admissions to any caste to something like 20% to prevent this cancer from spreading further.

The "we" vs "them" fights are going on at so many levels in India, caste being one of them. The recent T agitation was on the basis of geography. Then we have religion and language based divisions. Looks like people want to form opportunistic groupings and derive security from such groupings.

That said, grandparents brainwashing grand children to be caste supremacists is pure BS. Places like Siddhartha College might be encouraging such casteist thinking, but, it is just one sick place and not a representative one -- at least not yet.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby devesh » 31 May 2015 12:52

Instituting "bans" will most likely be counter-productive. it will only add to the "grievance" list. so more ammo for similar behavior with more exaggerations of "persecution".

I will say this though: campuses in Telangana are vastly more "egalitarian". You can accuse me of all the bias you want. But I've known people from various groupings who've studied in both big towns and remote villages in T. yes, people have their preferences on marriage relations, etc; but students are freer to form their own friendships.

the only exception to this might be the V's. the R's in Telangana are an eclectic bunch. you'll see super rich people, and also extraordinarily hard-working and down-to-earth people.

There is a saying in telangana "Reddy ocche modalaye": "Reddy comes and the play starts again". It is peculiar that even though V's have been the traditional "royalty", the R's enjoy more respect from commoners and other BC folks, and also from Brahmins and such. "respect" for V's is primarily in the form of keeping them at arm's length and maintaining polite respect.

also another anecdotal observation: gangsterism on college campuses also seems to be widely prevalent in Kosta while not so much in Telangana. any reason for this?
(for the purposes of this discussion, let's ignore Osmania university campus; that is an exception and the reasons are political manipulation for decades & deep Congress meddling for generations).

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby prahaar » 31 May 2015 16:45

a_bharat wrote:About Kammas & Brahmins: I think it is wrong to say that Kammas hate Brahmins. Perhaps, 30 years back Kammas resented being looked down upon by the Brahmins with the Sudra tag. Now, they just don't give a damn. If any, they admire some of the qualities of Brahmins.

Brahmins were significantly affected by NTR's two actions: 1. Purging of the Munasab/Karanam system and 2. Sudden reduction of retirement age from 58 to 55. I believe the former was a right step and the latter a stupid move.


AP state government employees have 55 as retirement age even today? And what is the official retirement age for private sector employees in AP? I used to think it is 60 years across the board in India.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby chetak » 31 May 2015 16:56

prahaar wrote:
a_bharat wrote:About Kammas & Brahmins: I think it is wrong to say that Kammas hate Brahmins. Perhaps, 30 years back Kammas resented being looked down upon by the Brahmins with the Sudra tag. Now, they just don't give a damn. If any, they admire some of the qualities of Brahmins.

Brahmins were significantly affected by NTR's two actions: 1. Purging of the Munasab/Karanam system and 2. Sudden reduction of retirement age from 58 to 55. I believe the former was a right step and the latter a stupid move.


AP state government employees have 55 as retirement age even today? And what is the official retirement age for private sector employees in AP? I used to think it is 60 years across the board in India.


Private sector employers are free to decide their own policies. I have seen the retirement age ranging from 58 to 65 in different companies.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Yagnasri » 31 May 2015 17:15

NTR made 55 in 83 and it was changed later. Now it is 58.

Kamma caste feeling was quite bad in SVU area also. I have seen it first hand. There is a feeling that they do not mix well even politically with others etc is only of the weaknesses of TDP.

I personally know Venkayya when he was a MLA etc. Now he has no roots in AP. There was an attempt to bring his girl as candidate in place of my friend and it failed. His contribution to BJP in AP is nil and he can not do anything even now. Many feel that he is doing it because TDP is a Kamma party and he do not wish to weaken it.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby ShyamSP » 31 May 2015 17:50

bhavani wrote:A lot of Kamma folks back in the day, ate Beef, not because they like it, but as a kind of Snub towards Brahmins. But now most Kamma, reddys, Velama, Rajulu, wont eat Beef.


Pure BS. You're observing like some Girish Karnad sitting in beef eating fesitival to snub Hinduism and extrapolating it to project to all Konkan Brahmins as beef-eaters. Landed Hindu castes in AP never ate beef, even then or now. Then they had a lot of cattle at home, now a rarity, but cattle was never killed for eating.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Dasari » 31 May 2015 19:31

mchilian wrote: Good post with a realistic assessment of situation, except the last point - Andhra has already degraded worse than TN. People have degraded themselves due to their myopic materialist pursuits and caste-fascism + reactions to that fascist behavior. The blind rush for money is evident in all castes - not just the dominant landed castes like Kamma or Reddy but even Brahmins or BCs. The caste obsession is prominent in dominant landed castes. There are perhaps more poojas being done in AP than any corner of India daily, but people are firmly focused on materialist aspects and have been desensitized internally to everything except their selfish interest.

A modern day peculiarity is how in this age where universalism is persistently drilled through schools and media, casteist supremacism has survived and continues to thrive in AP. A reason is that casteism is the most logical way to hang on to landed assets from one gen to next as well as provide security for landed property. Another interesting fact - they have been sending their children to US for the past 3-4 decades, and once they get married in the states and end up with US citizenship, they usually send their kids back to their grandparents place to be brought up. This is done in order to avoid developing any "dangerous" universalist ideas like "brotherhood of all humans" or "brotherhood of all hindus". The grandparents brainwash these kids from an early age about the supremacism of their caste and need to support their own kind irrespective of right/wrong.

While it is true that Christian faith is growing due to financial allurement, this caste-fascism is also ensuring its steady growth by offering a way out for some BC communities. Its another story that they sell a totally different kool aid to the landed gentry - saying you dont have to sacrifice caste just by converting.

A detailed example - Sidhhartha Engg college in Vijayawada is perhaps one of the most casteist colleges in AP.. during a final year engg examination of my cousin's unhappy undergrad stint there, a student apparently collapsed due to a sudden epileptic bout and fell down writhing in pain, semi conscious .. seems majority of the class didnt even flinch and continued writing their papers because he was "not from their caste".. and these are 19-20 yr olds. Then there is institutionalized casteism - school cafeteria should be vacated by everyone if Chowdaries (Kammas) enter, School sports ground should be vacated if Chowdaries enter, nobody is allowed to talk to a Chowdary girl, libraries contain books of kamma supremacism, farewell and freshers parties organized on a caste basis, even faculty are in on it - best recommendations inevitably go to Kamma students without bothering about academic performance... the littany is unending. Just type the words "kamma caste" on google chacha and see how many websites pop up.

Frankly, this stinking discrimination was a main reason why Brahmins and everyone else voted so long for Congress.. YSR and most Reddy politicians were perceived as selfish and look after their own like Christians, but not as bad as Kammas who just dont let anyone else grow due to an "islamic" mindset - particularly their open aggression and supremacist nature. Even those Brahmins who hate YSR's encouragement of Christianity, will say they would've voted for him in a heartbeat if he were around given the lack of alternatives. Note - nobody says the same about his semi-mad, violent son.

The only way BJP can grow is not by sucking up to Reddys and Kaapus and bringing back the same moneybag industrialists who were part of C-system into power through another route, but by bringing in a fresh leader belonging to an unrepresented community to power - mostly a strong leader (corruption is not an issue as much as being "caste neutral" is) with ideological conviction. In brief a Hindu, non-Reddy of the YSR mold would be able to unite everyone and control EJs. Perhaps someone like Chaganti Koteswara Rao - the great spiritualist who is playing a major role in saving Hindu dharma through his speeches and who is universally respected by even your avg christian SC Rickshaw Pullers and muslim BC auto drivers, inspite of preaching Sangh ideology and Vedic scriptural knowledge. Perhaps someone more politically savvy and belonging to a more acceptable "backward" community than Guruvugaru.

Relying on Venkiah to revive BJP in AP is so wrong at many levels. But of course, the great omniscient Modi/Shah already know everything and now that someone here claims to know what they think (perhaps there is a portal into Modi/Shah's heads ala the one in "Being John Malkovich") and deigned to confirm that "they will not abandon us poor Andhras", am sure most Andhras feel immensely placated.


Great post. This should also give insight into what destroyed the erstwhile AP. As far as Chaganti Koteswara Rao garu, the last thing he would do is to enter or endorse any political parties or leaders.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Yogi_G » 31 May 2015 20:26

Chaganti garu is a pucca Gandhian. I used to listen a lot to him until he started pouring reams and reams of Gandhian bile into his pravachanas. On the other hand Samaveda Shanmuga Sharma garu and the young Swami Paripoornanda clearly stay away from pseudo secular nonsense and very clear on the dangers to Hinduism. It is not long before they are targeted a la Asaram Bapu ji or Nityananda garu.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby bhavani » 31 May 2015 21:16

ShyamSP wrote:
bhavani wrote:A lot of Kamma folks back in the day, ate Beef, not because they like it, but as a kind of Snub towards Brahmins. But now most Kamma, reddys, Velama, Rajulu, wont eat Beef.


Pure BS. You're observing like some Girish Karnad sitting in beef eating fesitival to snub Hinduism and extrapolating it to project to all Konkan Brahmins as beef-eaters. Landed Hindu castes in AP never ate beef, even then or now. Then they had a lot of cattle at home, now a rarity, but cattle was never killed for eating.


i was not saying that all Kammas were eating beef back in the day, my point is a few Kamma's did that and some also had their own purohits for marriages, etc, to replace Brahmins as a kind of snub towards them. But now no such feelings exist.

Also the roots of Kamma political activism lie in Communist activism. Chalasani Venkatramana was a CPI secretary who fought with Vangaveeti Radha(not the current Vangaveeti radha) brother of Vangaveeti Ranga. Venkatramana was murdered in 1975 and CPI in retaliation killed Radha and couple of others within 2 years.

Ranga was affliated with INTUC and also had kammas like Devineni Nehru with him. Later Ranga's team split on caste lines and a new fight started.

Brahmins will vote for YSR and his ilk, knowing that they are actively converting and all, their hatred of Kammas will block them from voting for TDP

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Rony » 01 Jun 2015 05:57

Yagnasri wrote:I think this has more to do with who is heading or powerful factor in TDS. As as community Kammas are known to hate Brahmins. At least most of the people believe that. In fact NTRs removal of Karanams etc CBN's hatred towards GOAP employees for 9 years etc said to be their dislike of Bramihns. I do not know how far they are true. Rumors mostly.


Yagnasri Garu, NTR removal of karanams was not because of anti-brahmanism but because of his genuine belief to empower lower sections. My post from the archive related to Kamma-Brahmin tussle and how the anti-brahmin movement in Andhra was different from anti-brahmin movement in Tamil nadu.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6610&p=1522369&hilit=kamma+brahmin#p1522369

I believe that the Kamma-Brahmin tussle goes back much further. The early 20th century Non-Brahmin movement in Andhra was spearheaded by Justice party dominated by Kammas like Tripurneni Ramaswamy Choudhary and Duggirala Raghavachadraiah.I read somewhere that there used to be debates in early 1900s between the orthodox Brahmins who refused to allow Kammas (and Reddis and Velamas) to practise Vedic rites and refusing to acknowledge them as kshatriyas and the Kammas in turn mocking the Brahmins about how the Kamma ancestor rulers gave agraharas to Brahmins and quoting scriptures to prove that one does not have to be a Brahmin to do vedic rites. Unlike the Tamil anti-brahmin movement which equated brahmanism = hinduism and hence anti-brahmanism = anti hinduism, the Telugu non-brahmin movement spearheaded by Kammas in early and mid 1900s was anti brahmin but Pro-Hindu. In fact the Kamma leader Duggirala Raghavachadraiah even started a Hindu national congress in opposition to congress party in Andhra (dominated by brahmins at that time) which he viewed as brahmin nationalism as opposed to Hindu nationalism.

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Postby RamaY » 01 Jun 2015 06:35

Rony wrote:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6610&p=1522369&hilit=kamma+brahmin#p1522369

I believe that the Kamma-Brahmin tussle goes back much further. The early 20th century Non-Brahmin movement in Andhra was spearheaded by Justice party dominated by Kammas like Tripurneni Ramaswamy Choudhary and Duggirala Raghavachadraiah.I read somewhere that there used to be debates in early 1900s between the orthodox Brahmins who refused to allow Kammas (and Reddis and Velamas) to practise Vedic rites and refusing to acknowledge them as kshatriyas and the Kammas in turn mocking the Brahmins about how the Kamma ancestor rulers gave agraharas to Brahmins and quoting scriptures to prove that one does not have to be a Brahmin to do vedic rites. Unlike the Tamil anti-brahmin movement which equated brahmanism = hinduism and hence anti-brahmanism = anti hinduism, the Telugu non-brahmin movement spearheaded by Kammas in early and mid 1900s was anti brahmin but Pro-Hindu. In fact the Kamma leader Duggirala Raghavachadraiah even started a Hindu national congress in opposition to congress party in Andhra (dominated by brahmins at that time) which he viewed as brahmin nationalism as opposed to Hindu nationalism.


Havent read this post before but I see two logical fallacies in Kamma argument.

1. If Kammas knew the scriptures (I presume they must be Vedas and Agamas themselves to be authoritative) that one doesn't have to be a brahmin to do vedic rites, then why do they need Brahmin approval to practice vedic rites?

2. If Kammas were rulers in the past and gave Agraharams to Brahmins, then why do they need Brahmins to acknowledge them as Kshatriyas?

It is important to note that all this was happening in 1900s and Kammas were big into doing business with British and Communist movement at the same time - both associations working for a caste-less society. So what is all this fight about?

It is so happened that a few Kammas did learn vedas and became priests under the leadership of these two. But even decades (>100yrs) after not all Kammas follow this movement and engage Brahmin-Brahmins and not Kamma-Brahmins. I am not sure if any other social group in Andhra entertain Kamma-brahmins as priests.

I truly wonder what they wanted to achieve by those two demands. Would kamma caste accept Brahmins/Sudras as Kshatriyas or Brahmins?

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby gpati » 01 Jun 2015 07:00

What is your take on Revant Reddy episode?

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ఒక చర్చి ఒక చర్చి బిషప్‌ మధ్యవర్తిత్వంతో స్టీఫెన్‌తో రేవంత్‌ బేరసారాలు జరిపారని నిర్ధారించుకున్నాం. పక్కా సమాచారంతోనే దాడి నిర్వహించి రేవంత్‌ను అదుపులోకి తీసుకున్నాం’’ అని ఏసీబీ అధికారులు తెలిపారు. ఈ సందర్భంగా రూ.50 లక్షలు స్వాధీనం చేసుకున్నట్లు ప్రకటించారు. రేవంత్‌ రెడ్డిని ఆదివారం రాత్రి 7.30 గంటల సమయంలో ఏసీబీ కార్యాలయానికి తరలించారు. ఈ సందర్భంగా ఆయన మీడియాతో మాట్లాడుతూ... ‘నేను డబ్బులు పంచలేదు. పంచాల్సిన అవసరం లేదు’ అని తెలిపారు. కానీ... ఆయన స్టీఫెన్‌తో రెండు రోజులపాటు జరిపిన సంభాషణలు, ఆదివారం డబ్బులు ఇస్తున్న దృశ్యాల విజువల్స్‌ పక్కాగా విడుదలయ్యాయి. రేవంత్‌తోపాటు బిషప్‌ సెబాస్టియన్‌, హరి అనే మరో ఇద్దరిని కూడా అరెస్టు చేశారు. మత్తయ్య జెరూసలేం అనే మరో నిందితుడిని కూడా అరెస్టు చేయాల్సి ఉందని ఏసీబీ డీజీ ఏకే ఖా మధ్యవర్తిత్వంతో స్టీఫెన్‌తో రేవంత్‌ బేరసారాలు జరిపారని నిర్ధారించుకున్నాం. పక్కా సమాచారంతోనే దాడి నిర్వహించి రేవంత్‌ను అదుపులోకి తీసుకున్నాం’’ అని ఏసీబీ అధికారులు తెలిపారు. ఈ సందర్భంగా రూ.50 లక్షలు స్వాధీనం చేసుకున్నట్లు ప్రకటించారు. రేవంత్‌ రెడ్డిని ఆదివారం రాత్రి 7.30 గంటల సమయంలో ఏసీబీ కార్యాలయానికి తరలించారు. ఈ సందర్భంగా ఆయన మీడియాతో మాట్లాడుతూ... ‘నేను డబ్బులు పంచలేదు. పంచాల్సిన అవసరం లేదు’ అని తెలిపారు. కానీ... ఆయన స్టీఫెన్‌తో రెండు రోజులపాటు జరిపిన సంభాషణలు, ఆదివారం డబ్బులు ఇస్తున్న దృశ్యాల విజువల్స్‌ పక్కాగా విడుదలయ్యాయి. రేవంత్‌తోపాటు బిషప్‌ సెబాస్టియన్‌, హరి అనే మరో ఇద్దరిని కూడా అరెస్టు చేశారు. మత్తయ్య జెరూసలేం అనే మరో నిందితుడిని కూడా అరెస్టు చేయాల్సి ఉందని ఏసీబీ డీజీ ఏకే ఖా


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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Muppalla » 01 Jun 2015 07:12

The last two pages are about anti-brahminism. In Telugu there is a saying jogi-jogi raasukunte boodida raaltundi ( literally mean only holy ash will fall when sadhus are rubbed). I mean there are very few Brahmins as a population and insignificant electorally. In terms of practices, there is no dravidianism or some other ism there as a philosophy. The increase of Xians has no relation to these fictious philosophies.

The thing I wrote long time ago and several here disagreed with me.

The caste divisions are such a way that among the forward castes it is always kammas Vs rest. Even if there is alliance with Kammas it is just un-natural. It always takes an uphill task of Kammas aligning with other forward castes but it takes an extremely less time to fall back to kammas Vs rest. CBN in the previous avatars know this very well. In the united state he has TG to fall back as it does not fall in the same Caste+cronies combo. During that times if you see TDP losses in Krishna+Guntur districts is very high. (Lagadapati, Rayapati are all congress).

This time TDP went back to basics. It went back to dependence on core of those two districts with alliances of forward castes who are not sure of Jagan as the centrality of congress collapsed in AP after 60 yrs. But this core is double edged sword. He may have announced grand coast to coast projects but the visibility is all about Amravati and a new Singapore coming there. It is now immediately branded as TDP (Two District party) :). This is slowly changing the political landscape.

The change is unpredictable as Jagan is still a force. There is a sure shot anxiety for those who want to find opposition space to TDP. They are still not sure of Jagan. INC is gone anyway. Modi is popular and everyone want to align with Modi. The alliance of TDP and BJP is not in the liking of these forces. If BJP breaks away several will join.

The game plan of BJP is use (at least for LAB, GST and real estate) TDP's 25 MPs (LS and RS together) and hence don't want to break the applecart. But it don't want to lose the opportunity and is definitely projecting a party of kapus. In that aspect they promoted Somu Veerraju to MLC (CBN grudgingly accepted). The grapevine is that both Chiru and Pawan Kalyan are working behind the scenes to promote this man. He is considered to be anti-VN inside the BJP.

CBN political game plan is to keep kapus (not just leaders) voters with TDP. The problem is even Jagan is scouting for them via Bosta etc. However CBN's game is (1) not to ditch BJP at all (2) not to allow BJP grow. (3) get Jagan arrested. This way he can win even if he not popular.

https://www.facebook.com/SomuVeerrajuBJP

Everything is construed in AP as some favoritism to Kammas if done by TDP :). Even if CBN tries to not get that image, "you can't beat perception".

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Muppalla » 01 Jun 2015 07:34

mchilian wrote:The only way BJP can grow is not by sucking up to Reddys and Kaapus and bringing back the same moneybag industrialists who were part of C-system into power through another route, but by bringing in a fresh leader belonging to an unrepresented community to power - mostly a strong leader (corruption is not an issue as much as being "caste neutral" is) with ideological conviction. In brief a Hindu, non-Reddy of the YSR mold would be able to unite everyone and control EJs. Perhaps someone like Chaganti Koteswara Rao - the great spiritualist who is playing a major role in saving Hindu dharma through his speeches and who is universally respected by even your avg christian SC Rickshaw Pullers and muslim BC auto drivers, inspite of preaching Sangh ideology and Vedic scriptural knowledge. Perhaps someone more politically savvy and belonging to a more acceptable "backward" community than Guruvugaru.


Impossible though sounds nice.

Folks always forget one thing. First win elections to implement even 1% of ideology. Otherwise we can always go to Shakas and talk about upcoming Bharat varhsa. Politics have to work inside the echo systems. Everything else is just hawa hawa.

In AP BJP has to project TDP as kamma party and Jagan as super duper thief. To prove it has to project a community that is large but yet to see end of political fruits. Kapus fit the bill. In addition, these kapus should be instructed to project TDP as Two District Party of Krishna and Guntur districs. Yeah yeah there is a lot of rhetoric and untruths in the above statement.

It's all far in war and love. :)

The unease of the populations due to filthy growth of real estate in KG areas should be politically exploited with caste color.

For this Venkiah Naidu has to be shunted out even there is no fault of him. This is pure politics.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby hanumadu » 01 Jun 2015 07:37

gpati wrote:What is your take on Revant Reddy episode?


My cynical answer...
What is there to think? It is business as usual. He will be out on bail, the court case will drag on for years and the people will continue to vote for him. Ba$tards.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Rony » 01 Jun 2015 07:44

Rama Y garu, See my reply in Andhra Pradesh History thread

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby member_28533 » 01 Jun 2015 08:26

a_bharat wrote:I heard about the casteism in Siddhartha Engineering College. It has got to be one sick place attracting people of mediocre quality whose only source of pride is their caste. There should be some rule to cap admissions to any caste to something like 20% to prevent this cancer from spreading further.

The "we" vs "them" fights are going on at so many levels in India, caste being one of them. The recent T agitation was on the basis of geography. Then we have religion and language based divisions. Looks like people want to form opportunistic groupings and derive security from such groupings.

That said, grandparents brainwashing grand children to be caste supremacists is pure BS. Places like Siddhartha College might be encouraging such casteist thinking, but, it is just one sick place and not a representative one -- at least not yet.



Please note I am NOT anti-Kamma or any caste, some of my close relations (cousins) are married to them.

But Kamma kids leaving for US, getting married in the states, leaving behind their children with grandparents for "caste indoctrination". I cannot prove this but only mention experiences. Plenty of families in Godavari, Krishna dists. These kids are already rotten before entering these institutions.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Yagnasri » 01 Jun 2015 08:43

Revanth Reddy is for more in the limelight than he required to be for several years. I think therefore KCR ensured he gets into problems. The involvement of the Church can not be ignored. True that all are currupt. But Church and EJ people fixed this man on behalf of KCR the the most critical factor which may dictate politics of Telugu States. EJ is slowly out in open with Jagan in AP and are trying to come out in Telangana also.

Unfortunately both KCR and CBN will not take on them. NM and AS need to take active steps make BJP the ruler in both the states in 2019 or else Telugu lands will become worst than J&K.

That is the plan of the MQ and her Vatican backers in dividing AP.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby member_28533 » 01 Jun 2015 08:58

Yogi_G wrote:Chaganti garu is a pucca Gandhian. I used to listen a lot to him until he started pouring reams and reams of Gandhian bile into his pravachanas. On the other hand Samaveda Shanmuga Sharma garu and the young Swami Paripoornanda clearly stay away from pseudo secular nonsense and very clear on the dangers to Hinduism. It is not long before they are targeted a la Asaram Bapu ji or Nityananda garu.


His approach is neither Gandhian nor confrontationalist - his approach is to strengthen the culture and practices without bothering about naysayers say.. maybe similar to Modi's focus on development without bothering about presstitutes. Not reacting to opposition is not the same as tacit approval.

Try following him on facebook -he is posting about Gau Raksha, how Hindu families should conduct themselves from daily routine to birthdays and finer issues of cultural revival. I personally know one Dalit Christian PhD student from Waltair who converted to Hinduism after getting influenced by his speeches.

A nice anti-dote to today's deracinated Hindu culture based on blind imitation of west & muzzie world. FYI, how many of Urban, educated "Sangh" ideology believers, would stop watching Bollycr@p or stop blowing out candles in the name of Birthday celebrations.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby a_bharat » 01 Jun 2015 09:14

mchilian wrote:But Kamma kids leaving for US, getting married in the states, leaving behind their children with grandparents for "caste indoctrination". I cannot prove this but only mention experiences. Plenty of families in Godavari, Krishna dists. These kids are already rotten before entering these institutions.

"Caste indoctrination" of kids being a goal for an NRI is beyond belief. If you did come across some as you claim, they must be mentally deranged.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Rony » 01 Jun 2015 16:06

This discussion is taking a hilarious turn :rotfl:

US based Kammas sending their children to India for caste indoctrination ?? Kammas are very casteist with (as if others are not) ?? I understand people have issues with CBN and TDP but it did not take much to turn the discussion towards wendy doniger type analysis on kammas based on half truths and what friends relatives friends said. Muppalla garu is on the dot. Scratch the surface and one can see it does not takes much time to turn it to Kamma vs the rest. :D

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby ShyamSP » 01 Jun 2015 19:34

Rony wrote:This discussion is taking a hilarious turn :rotfl:

US based Kammas sending their children to India for caste indoctrination ?? Kammas are very casteist with (as if others are not) ?? I understand people have issues with CBN and TDP but it did not take much to turn the discussion towards wendy doniger type analysis on kammas based on half truths and what friends relatives friends said. Muppalla garu is on the dot. Scratch the surface and one can see it does not takes much time to turn it to Kamma vs the rest. :D


Indeed

If some posters are to be believed, we can conclude how de-racinated AP brahmin and/or BJP voters are. In Kamma vs rest, Brahmins are okay to vote for EJs. :lol: Coming to casteism based on observations from last 2-3 decades, Kapus and Kammas don't carry their caste names as title (Naidu, Choudhary) in the name unlike Brahmins and Reddies. Who are castists? Looks like those two-district Kammas need to be thrown into gas chambers for AP to develop from casteism as per posters. :lol:

Non-reddies have to carry separate Lotas (tumblers) in Reddy hostel.
They don't allow any non-Kamma in Kamma Sangham
Some commie ate beef, a lot of Kammas are beef-eaters.
Brahmins don't allow Shudras into Brahmin Sangham
Kapu collage allows only Kapus.

:rotfl:

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby RamaY » 01 Jun 2015 20:21

Rony wrote:This discussion is taking a hilarious turn :rotfl:

US based Kammas sending their children to India for caste indoctrination ?? Kammas are very casteist with (as if others are not) ?? I understand people have issues with CBN and TDP but it did not take much to turn the discussion towards wendy doniger type analysis on kammas based on half truths and what friends relatives friends said. Muppalla garu is on the dot. Scratch the surface and one can see it does not takes much time to turn it to Kamma vs the rest. :D


Told so ;)

Caste is neither the problem nor solution to India's problems. It is just another demographic identity/characteristic like Gender, Age-group, mother-tongue, Smoking/non-Smoking, Graduate/non-graduate etc. Unless we get rid of the triple colonization (Islamic, Christian & Secular) we can't see the Virat-Swaroopa of Caste system.

No one, not even Brahmin's & (some) Sankaracharyas are immune to this socio-political-religious-colonization time wrap.

The only way out is Tarka/Logic.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby member_28533 » 01 Jun 2015 21:39

Rony wrote:This discussion is taking a hilarious turn :rotfl:

US based Kammas sending their children to India for caste indoctrination ?? Kammas are very casteist with (as if others are not) ?? I understand people have issues with CBN and TDP but it did not take much to turn the discussion towards wendy doniger type analysis on kammas based on half truths and what friends relatives friends said. Muppalla garu is on the dot. Scratch the surface and one can see it does not takes much time to turn it to Kamma vs the rest. :D



Dude, it has always been Kamma vs the rest in Andhra (not in Seema or TG). Also, the core point that you see to have missed- Caste-fanaticism is not being taught through educational institutions. Its happening prior to entering these institutions. Would you be dismissive and deny this is happening ?

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby ugandhar » 02 Jun 2015 01:54

There is lot of truth to what mchilian said, except I didn't know about NRI kids being sent to India for indoctrination. I studied in Narasaraopeta Engg College, Narasaraopeta, Guntur district during 1998-2002 and have first hand experience of how kamma kids behaved then.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby ShyamSP » 02 Jun 2015 10:29

Kamma vs Telanga example :roll: (It is possible kids might have been born and educated in Hyderabad which doesn't matter for Telangana arguments)

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/tdf ... pics/23600
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Message 1 of 9 , May 28

Two Kamma children were top in Telangana EAMCET exams...shame on us...entire Telangana state fought against that community and now they humiliated us....


Medicine: Priyanka Uppalapati (Ongole)

Engineering: Sai Sandeep Moparthi (Guntur)

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Rony » 02 Jun 2015 15:06

mchilian wrote:Dude, it has always been Kamma vs the rest in Andhra (not in Seema or TG). Also, the core point that you see to have missed- Caste-fanaticism is not being taught through educational institutions. Its happening prior to entering these institutions. Would you be dismissive and deny this is happening ?


If you define Andhra as Krishna-Guntu belt, that may be true that it was always Kamma vs the rest.But is it all true in North Andhra ? I dont think so. The point you seem to have missed is that not all Kammas are caste fanatics nor caste fanaticism is unique to Kammas. Whenever we are discussing congress, did we do a psudo-analysis of caste fanaticism of Reddy’s and Brahmins ? Are you suggesting that Kammas are more caste centric then other communities ? If yes, then what barometer/examples you are using to measure it ?

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby Virupaksha » 02 Jun 2015 15:10

check out posts before elections, there was a discussion on christian and hindu reddys.

Also general observation is that these people are more subtle than the overt displays. I know of a case where a doctor joined a clinic's practise and he was asked to leave because he was non-kamma. It was not subtle but a direct polite face to face, "please you are not welcome here. We thought you were kamma. :rotfl: :rotfl: .".

Also there is the issue of demographics. Because of the education levels in the delta from independence, it was these districts which moved to hyderabad first and then established bases in US first. Thus it reflects somewhat in the demographics which are in BR as well. These districts have had the first mover advantage and thus higher visibilities as well. So the overt displays in educational institutions of these districts is also highlighted and compared more.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby bhavani » 02 Jun 2015 18:51

Rony wrote:
mchilian wrote:Dude, it has always been Kamma vs the rest in Andhra (not in Seema or TG). Also, the core point that you see to have missed- Caste-fanaticism is not being taught through educational institutions. Its happening prior to entering these institutions. Would you be dismissive and deny this is happening ?


If you define Andhra as Krishna-Guntu belt, that may be true that it was always Kamma vs the rest.But is it all true in North Andhra ? I dont think so. The point you seem to have missed is that not all Kammas are caste fanatics nor caste fanaticism is unique to Kammas. Whenever we are discussing congress, did we do a psudo-analysis of caste fanaticism of Reddy’s and Brahmins ? Are you suggesting that Kammas are more caste centric then other communities ? If yes, then what barometer/examples you are using to measure it ?


Caste Fanaticism is not a unique feature of Kamma'. In Vijayawada area colleges and even in Uttara Andhra all castes have their Groups and they tend to stick together.

Caste formations are nothing new. My only point is even EJ's are not above these barriers of caste.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby yvijay » 02 Jun 2015 19:02

ugandhar wrote:There is lot of truth to what mchilian said, except I didn't know about NRI kids being sent to India for indoctrination. I studied in Narasaraopeta Engg College, Narasaraopeta, Guntur district during 1998-2002 and have first hand experience of how kamma kids behaved then.

I came to know about this caste fanaticism in the colleges when I came to US for Masters through my friend who studied at GITAM. I was shocked to find out they had separate college functions and email groups. Casteism was expected in villages and probably in their houses but forming caste groups in college was new to me.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 02 Jun 2015 20:04

What about Telugu Associations in US!!!

There are three major ones now: TANA, ATA, & NATS......

Mostly led by professional degree holders.

its a mirror of college level politics.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 02 Jun 2015 20:10

One good news is CBN at least has plans to develop three regions in addition to new capital: Anantpur area, Tirupati area and Vizag area.

A whole slew of ports are being renovated.


So if any of you can help channel or socialize the message in your own way please do so for AP and not any caste/waste.

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Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Postby vina » 02 Jun 2015 20:37

Big article in today's Al-Hundi on Telegana and Andhra on their 1st anniversaries. Seems like Teleganana is running a surplus (thanks to the Loot from Hyderabad), while Andhra is running a big deficit, thanks to not being able to put their paws in Hyderbad cookie jar!

Basically shows how shot this entire financing model of the states are. Rob cities blind and pay for all sort of pork barrel for the rest of the state. The list goes on and on. Mumbai, Bangalore, Kolkata, Chennai , Hyd, all of them suffer from it. The states that dont have these kind of cities to loot are dirt poor (Chattisgarh, MP , UP etc). Mercifully Hyd has to feed the leeches from Telegana alone now .

Andhra has to get it's act together. CBN seems to have this fetish of developing a grand capital from scratch ( a modern day faux disneyesque junket). He would be far better advised to develop Vijaywada, Guntur, Eluru, Rajahmundry, Vizag , by leveraging their inherent historical strenghts and competitive advntages, and not waste time and money on a fool's errand of a "Grand Capital" . A capital more on the lines of Albany for New York, or Sacramento for CA, where the Baboons, Mantris and other similar specimens can be safely quarantined away in their own alternate world in a few high rises for the baboon army and hanger ons , a few hundred villas for the Mantris, and a secretariat building and a few office blocks and they dont get in any one elses way and do their own power fetish and other nonsense. All this will take very little land and a few hundred crores pop ( maybe 2000 crore max) and spare the cash to spread it to every corner of Andhra.

But no, Andhra must have a "Grand Capital" and waste resources at a time when they cannot even pay the govt employees.


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