Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22 2015

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 13 Jun 2015 20:21

Why do pakistani ex-jernails and assorted loudmouths appear on Ornob's show at all? I get what Ornob gets out of it, he shouts and beratesand bullies them, he provokes them and makes them yap for the amusement of his viewers.

But what is the motivation for the pakis? Is TimesNow paying them?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 13 Jun 2015 20:25

KLNMurthyJi,

They just come on to show India the middle finger and enjoy dorknob hyperventilating like a complete arse that he is. I also sometimes feel Maroof Raza is wasting his time and hyperventilating too, as that retd army general Bakshi. And its also shameful when Raza and other Indian guests address the Paki scum as "sir hear me out".

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 13 Jun 2015 20:33

^^ That doesn't appear to be the case from the viewing. All jarnails and karnails squirm and shout red faced back at Arnob. They are there because TimesNow probably pays them for their appearance. The corner plot in Pindi wouldn't pay for everything. Hardly a middle finger at all. They get shouted at by a bloody civilian for the better part of an hour and they sit their resignedly mentally counting the money.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 13 Jun 2015 20:41

I doubt they get paid, but I could be wrong. All Indian channels have some Paki scum on to puke their bile. I guess its part of teir so called "objectivity" just as the doctors in US/UK ordered. Some like Undy and Thappad even sing the TSP tune. Just watch Thappad's latest where his line of questioning, his premise are about how big baaad India provoked the innocent TSP generals and ISI. And I am losing respect for K.C. Singh, he seems to have become an anal-yst from being an analyst before.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 13 Jun 2015 20:42

^^ Undy and thappad cases are different from TN's cage match.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 13 Jun 2015 21:02

CRamS wrote:I doubt they get paid, but I could be wrong. All Indian channels have some Paki scum on to puke their bile. I guess its part of teir so called "objectivity" just as the doctors in US/UK ordered. Some like Undy and Thappad even sing the TSP tune. Just watch Thappad's latest where his line of questioning, his premise are about how big baaad India provoked the innocent TSP generals and ISI. And I am losing respect for K.C. Singh, he seems to have become an anal-yst from being an analyst before.

KC has always had overt khalistani tendencies. He was some sort of assistant to Zail singh. Less said the better.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 13 Jun 2015 21:17

chetak wrote: KC has always had overt khalistani tendencies. He was some sort of assistant to Zail singh. Less said the better.

I wouldn't go that far boss.

member_28233 · Post by **member_28233** » 13 Jun 2015 21:46

At some point the NSA should have a nice chat with his Chinese equivalent, where he conveys to him that India has no concerns about Pakistan's nuclear weapons --they have none. India regards all of them as belonging to China.

After all, the reactors are of Chinese origin; so is the separation plant; and the source of uranium feedstock, weapons design, missiles and TELs. Just because the rentier army to our west struts around displaying missiles, and making loud proclamations, it does not fools our government.

Of course, India has full confidence in China's nuclear command and control systems.....

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 13 Jun 2015 22:40

^K C Singh transformation has been noticeable. He is increasingly becoming pro paki.

partha · Post by **partha** » 13 Jun 2015 22:55

K C Singh: IIRC his name was floating around for one of the adviser positions in Modi Govt soon after May 16th 2014. Since he didn't eventually make it, he is probably little pissed.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 14 Jun 2015 00:26

Dipanker wrote:^K C Singh transformation has been noticeable. He is increasingly becoming pro paki.

I think he is sympathetic to Congressi secular Madrassa of thinking. There are many analysts, Muft Ke Advisors who are either afraid or not use to playing from the position of strength, taking initiative, creating controlling the both sides of process to make sure desired outcome of any given issue, especially with Paki and Chinese. These guys have been product of the political environment in which India always reacted not acted on its own.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 14 Jun 2015 00:29

rajithn wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Missed targets, fraudulent data presented to the WB, double-speak, missed promises . . . come what may, WB will keep supporting Pakistan. Pakistan cannot be allowed to fail.Why, even Moody's upgraded their ratings y'day or earlier this morning.

The most cherished wish of Bakistan is to be upgraded by Modi not Moody.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 14 Jun 2015 02:08

Pakistan Super League expected to begin next year in UAE

KARACHI – The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has been suggested to hold a five-team Pakistan Super League in the UAE by Repucom consultants, repoted by private TV channel.

The board has hired the trusted and globally recognised Repucom to devise a plan for the T20 league, consulting them on matters such as where the tournament should be held, the number of teams that should participate in it, the risk factors involved and how they can be avoided, and how the PCB can attract and engage sponsors and improve the marketability of the product.

Cwapistan is safe for the Zimbabwe Team but not for the Cwapistan Super League. In addition neither can the PCB devise a plan for the T20 league nor where the tournament be held as well as have no idea of the number of teams participating and is even clueless of the risk factors involed or to how to avoid them and finally does not even know how to attract and engage sponsors so as to improve the marketability of their poduct i.e. the Cawapistani Cricket team.
Cheers

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 14 Jun 2015 06:23

2.2million fake degress recovered from Axact offices: FIA

KARACHI:
The Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) informed a local court in Karachi that they recovered 2.2 million fake degrees during raids at the offices of ‘diploma mill’ Axact.

Piles of degree templates from different universities were seen stacked in rooms at the building, where The New York Times exposé said a worldwide, multimillion-dollar fake diploma empire was being run by Axact. The inquiry against the firm was ordered by Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan a day after the article was published.

The NYT report had accused the Karachi-based firm of not only issuing fake diplomas and degrees from a host of online universities but also running a bogus, parallel accreditation system, which in some instances even carried verifications from the US State Department with forged signatures of John Kerry.

Comment : As usual, there is a pretense of an inquiry and second and third level front men in the scheme are rounded off.
Can the Paki authorities really afford to go after the Benami owner of this Dubai based and registered company owned by the world famous criminal underground Don.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 14 Jun 2015 06:41

Paki writer says that Ahmedis are treated worse than Rohingyas

Consider the similarities in the treatment of Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar to the treatment of Ahmedis in Pakistan since 1984 and earlier. Since 1982, the Rohingyas have been denied citizenship in Myanmar and are called “Bengalis” despite the fact that there is ample evidence of Rohingyas living in Myanmar prior to 1948. They are isolated, marginalised and often subject to mass violence and pogroms in the name of religion and ethnicity.

Today, however, the Ahmedis live in absolute fear and are under siege even in the city of Rabwah, which they built from scratch. Right at the start of Rabwah, now named Chenab Nagar officially, is a Sunni Mosque called Majlis-e-Ahrar mosque, named after the Majlis-e-Ahrar, the rabidly anti-Ahmadi and anti-Shia group pre-partition, which had also called Pakistan Kafiristan and Jinnah Kafir-e-Azam.

So the point is that while we talk of Rohingyas and their plight, it would be a useful exercise to put our own house in order, to put an end to both official state discrimination against Ahmedis as well as the genocide that is being perpetrated against various Shia sects.

Comment : The writer should have instead focused on the plight of the non Bengali Biharis who are still languishing in refugee camps and are not allowed to migrate to Pakistan .

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 14 Jun 2015 06:52

Fax machines at Pak Foreign Ministry

were bugged

ISLAMABAD: A day after Rehman Malik’s revelations regarding phone tapping of Pakistani officials by ‘two embassies’, another spy scandal surfaced on Saturday this time involving fax machines used by the country in 2010.

According to our sources, the fax machines were installed at Pakistan’s ministry of foreign affairs and embassies across the globe and used to send out a copy of every fax to an unidentified location in 2010.

Those fax machines were gifted by a ‘friendly country’, they added.

According to Malik, along with his phones those of Nawaz Sharif and Asif Ali Zardari were also tapped.

Comments: Any guesses as to the identity of the 'friendly country'

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 14 Jun 2015 07:06

Two Embassies accused of phone bugging by ex Interior Minister

ISLAMABAD: Two foreign embassies in the federal capital are bugging telephones of important personalities, the Senate Standing Committee on Interior was informed on Friday.

The committee chairman and former interior minister Rehman Malik said during the PPP tenure, cabinet meetings were also spied upon, adding that a federal cabinet meeting was cancelled after signals could not be stopped.

He said when he was the interior minister two windows of his house had to be closed by cement to stop the bugging signals.During the meeting, PTA Chairman Ismail Shah said security agencies could detect the spying signals.

Comment: Pakistan surely needs to invest more in I.T. (the other kind )

to be bug-free!
Any guesses as to the identity of the 'two foreign embassies'.[/b]

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 14 Jun 2015 07:18

Hamid Gul under fire

ISLAMABAD: Senators on Friday just fell short of adoption of a resolution of condemnation against ex-ISI chief General (retd) Hamid Gul for allegedly ‘instigating’ the anti-democratic forces to suspend the Constitution to avert what he called a looming civil war in Pakistan.

PPP Senator Farhatullah Babar appeared upset, who said that he did not even want to mention his (Gul’s) name as it would be an insult to the prestige of parliament, adding that he was the man who had nothing else to do except giving such interviews for the sake of cheap publicity.

Comment: In my opinion. this person is a conduit between the Deep State and the Umbrella Organization of the jihadists. No establishment figure can 'touch him'.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 14 Jun 2015 07:30

Alleged RAW agent captured in Karachi

KARACHI: Counter Terrorism Department (CTD) on Saturday claimed to have arrested a terrorist associated with Indian intelligence agency, Research and Analysis Wing - commonly known as RAW - from Mubarik Village area of Karachi.

Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry a few weeks ago had also said that RAW was involved in creating unrest in Pakistan.

A senior official of Karachi police, Rao Anwar had also claimed arresting two 'RAW-affiliated men' who, he said, belonged to a key political party of Karachi.
He had disclosed that both the accused identified as Tahir alias Lamba and Mama Junaid were sent to India for training.

Comment: So now the 'evidence' will be presented to 'Uncle' to back up the 'accusations' earlier made !

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 14 Jun 2015 07:46

Ok, serious question. Does anyone think that Zarb-e-Arb is actually working ? and that Pak jernails have better control of the country, with the icing on the cake being that Hafeez suar types are also at their beck and call. I am disappointed that number of 72's are decreasing ?...or am I just imagining or is that true.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 14 Jun 2015 07:58

paki dhimmi journalist cyril almeida on India-pak relations

It's a good analysis.

India is driven by need to prevent another 26/11

Pak has no hopes of getting kashmir, despite rhetoric

Trade, people to people etc. are not key elements

Pak fears India closing the mil-tech gap with pakistan and pulling ahead

Pak has normalized relations with US to keep mil-tech flowing

Threatening to lower nuke threshold brings diminishing returns for pak

Proxy attacks are pakistan 's only viable weapon against India and so they won't give that up

India has no realistic counter to the proxy attacks by pak

Under Modi India is threatening to pay back proxy attacks in the same coin

The danger is pak will do something desparate before India's conventional capability gets out of reach

What Almeida doesn't go into is why pakistan feels the need to have some viable weapon against India.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jun 2015 08:11

KLNMurthy wrote:paki dhimmi journalist cyril almeida on India-pak relations

Most of what he has written is true.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jun 2015 08:16

Falijee wrote:Fax machines at Pak Foreign Ministry were bugged
Comments: Any guesses as to the identity of the 'friendly country'

One can only go by history where certain tapped conversations were revealed. 'Friendly' or 'mortal threat' is another matter.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 14 Jun 2015 08:17

That is exactly what I alluded to in the other thread.

Usually for "show" they send one of their Chinese Mijjiles seeking revenge into the Arapian (four-father) sea and claim a successful test, but the Myanmar incident has been a "shock".

There is a lack of too much noise makes me think that the spin machinery is working overtime to figure out a public response. (I expected all the TV commentators to shout and yell, but nothing much has happened so far).

I do expect them to test us. I dont know how and obviously dont know when, but they will do "something", and something soon.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 14 Jun 2015 08:21

SS - as discussed here before, there are things that India can & should do to increase the costs on Pakistan and also catalyze the centrifugal forces within Pakistan, including (we needlessly get involved only in military covert and overt ops discussions):

- increase our defense spending to be about 3% of GDP
- provide structured benefits & select financial support for export to countries that Pakistan exports textiles to
- maintain a 7.5% to 8% growth rate at least for the next 5-6 years
- significantly strengthen the BBIM collaboration
- diminish all people to people, business and market access with Pakistan
- no gas or power discussions with Pakistan
- all border shooting violations should be responded with long and overwhelming shooting responses w/ heavy weapons (so that Pakistan has to spend money on artillery etc)
- encourage all Indian executives and decision makers (including professors) outside India, not to hire Pakistanis
- constantly highlight Pakistani Polio threats to the global population
- support turmoil in Balochistan, Afghanistan and Pakistan-Iran borders - set aside a couple of billion dollars a year for this

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jun 2015 08:31

Falijee wrote:Hamid Gul under fire
Comment: In my opinion. this person is a conduit between the Deep State and the Umbrella Organization of the jihadists. No establishment figure can 'touch him'.

He indeed is. He is also an advisor to TTP, AQ, Quetta Shura etal. He has good company in the form of his ex-boss, Aslam Beg.

I haven't seen his current interview and therefore I don't know what he has said. However, he is an ardent and tireless worker to restore Taliban rule. He is a great admirer of Haqqani as well. He has constantly derided democracy as a Western construct unsuitable to Islamic world, just like any other Islamist. His sole aim is to destroy India. He has been working to establish a close relationship between his Western-frontier friends (Taliban, TTP, AQ et al) and his Eastern-frontier friends (LeT, JeM et al).

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jun 2015 08:36

Anindya wrote:SS - as discussed here before, there are things that India can & should do to increase the costs on Pakistan and also catalyze the centrifugal forces within Pakistan, including . . .

Absolutely. "Including, but not limited to . . .", I would add if you permit me. In short, we have to declare an all out war against Pakistan on all fronts. It must be strangulated, we *must* also make the 3½ Friends know our displeasure every time they try to help Pakistan.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 14 Jun 2015 09:38

SS - I agree.

Also, it would help if we Indians carried out a steady & overtly public drumbeat of why giving away 80% by volume of the 6 rivers through IWT should not ONLY be reversed but also, should be settled at a much more equitable volume ratio to India's benefit.

Let Pakistanis (and wanna-bes like Sarmila Bose) waste their bandwidth & soil their underwear at regular intervals after that.

habal · Post by **habal** » 14 Jun 2015 10:26

KLNMurthy wrote:paki dhimmi journalist cyril almeida on India-pak relations

India has no realistic counter to the proxy attacks

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India has since some time now. But the 'sword arm' of this proxy is not entirely under Indian control.

habal · Post by **habal** » 14 Jun 2015 10:32

KLNMurthy wrote:But what is the motivation for the pakis? Is TimesNow paying them?

they appear again and again on a panel means they are empanelled. They have tenures of 3/months to a quarter after which some are retained and some are removed. So ofcourse they get paid for it and are under contract.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 14 Jun 2015 11:22

I dont understand how we are playing catch up to Pakistan in mil - tech?

Their navy is a bunch of floating rust buckets. Our coast guard can take on their navy and win.

Their airforce, apart from F16s are flying relics

Their army has a few choice equipment in numbers. Especially anti-tank missiles, self propelled arty and weapons locating

partha · Post by **partha** » 14 Jun 2015 11:29

Anujanji,

May be he meant sugar mills and textile mills technology?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 14 Jun 2015 11:34

If they have Chinese nukes, they may be "ahead" of India.

habal · Post by **habal** » 14 Jun 2015 11:59

he means F-16s, the paki wet dream is to pilot one.
the symbol of pakistani military superiority begins and ends there.
We must always keep in mind we are dealing with a small country with lahori thinking.
ammi ammi mujhe F16 dila do ..

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 14 Jun 2015 12:52

My Swedish friend, and Sooth Asia expert, Bjorn Biglund has forwarded me the comment he submitted to Dawn, now awaiting "moderation"...
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This is not by any means a riddle that is insoluble. First of all, who says there is an "intolerable threat"? This appears to be a creation of Pakistani military minds to justify their lifestyles, perks and privileges. End that narrative. Then you will find that the so called conventional military "gap" is also a meaningless measure; does Pakistan worry about its conventional military gap with China, even though it sponsors terrorists in Xinjiang to benefit another master? If that narrative of the non-existent "intolerable threat" is ended, then the actions that flow from it will also be ended. It is not, as I understand, India that wants to change the status quo. It is Pakistan. Therefore, Pakistan must stop attempts to do so. Peace will then automatically prevail. Stop painting India as a threat, and it will cease to be one. The question is, what will "the boys" as you put it, do then?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jun 2015 14:20

Anujan wrote:I dont understand how we are playing catch up to Pakistan in mil - tech?

That's why I said 'most of what he has written is true'. He has to show some inner Pakistaniyat anyway.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 14 Jun 2015 14:27

Anujan wrote:I dont understand how we are playing catch up to Pakistan in mil - tech?

Their navy is a bunch of floating rust buckets. Our coast guard can take on their navy and win.

Their airforce, apart from F16s are flying relics

Their army has a few choice equipment in numbers. Especially anti-tank missiles, self propelled arty and weapons locating

It was unclear to me. I thought Almeida may have been referring to some force multiplier amreeki stuff like orion etc. plus India's acquisition crisis. He explicitly says that nuke threat has more or less run its course so it's not the nukes.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 14 Jun 2015 14:39

^^inner Pakistaniyat.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 14 Jun 2015 15:52

' Pawn Stuff'

found on Axact Computers

KARACHI:

The Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) has found ***** content on computers seized from the offices of Axact for investigation into the organisation’s multibillion-dollar fake degrees empire.

Apart from the fake degrees, sources said, Axact’s other money-spinner was hosting ***** websites and sites illegal in other countries. The FIA investigators have extracted data from about 25 such adult websites from the seized computers.

Comment: As they teach you in Economics 101-' Synergy'

at work here!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jun 2015 15:56

KLNMurthy wrote:It was unclear to me. I thought Almeida may have been referring to some force multiplier amreeki stuff like orion etc. plus India's acquisition crisis. He explicitly says that nuke threat has more or less run its course so it's not the nukes.

Generally, the Pakistanis have felt that they are better than the lowly kafir Hindu Indians in every aspect. They claim that their SFC is better managed, their tactics are more brilliant, they speak better English, their space scientists are more capable, their fauj are 1:10 (if Ayub Khan is to be believed) or 1:100 (as per Ms. Pinkie) superior to IA fauj, their missiles are fatter while SDRE ones are thinner etc. The list is long, isn't it?