Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22 2015

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Jun 2015 09:11

Gus wrote:
arun wrote: From the below weblink:

False Equivalency in the “Indo-Pakistan” Dispute
good one..well argued and referenced.

can be a sticky/first post in this thread.

Yes. It should go on post 1 of this thread

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 17 Jun 2015 09:14

cfair is prolly the only one who is massa but closest to brf arguements about paki origins, paki army etc . and she has dispelled many usual paki crap in that article.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 17 Jun 2015 09:21

gilgit and baltistan in northenr areas that are still shia heavy is probably in the realm of realism, but the mirpur to prolly upto skardu is lost to pakjabi pasand population.

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 17 Jun 2015 09:33

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz8QI ... user=0[url][/url]

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 17 Jun 2015 09:40

pankajs wrote: This is *said* to have been agreed between Bhutto and Gandhi except that Bhutto wanted to delay the announcement lest he be hung from the nearest lamp post on reaching Bakistan

If the agreement is not in writing, it does not exist. By assassinating Bhutto to cover up their own cowardice and incompetence, the paki army has done India a favor. No need to get all legal and pretend that the LoC is anything but a temporary line on the ground to be erased in due course. No need to give sh1tland anything even as we work to destroy the scum from the ground up.

Besides, the pakis are not going to stop at the LoC so there is no need to for India to take anything but the maximal position that is not negotiable with the terrorist paki scum.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 17 Jun 2015 10:07

quite amusing when the paki scum get all righteous on India and its "trolling" -- mosharraf Zaidi's choothspah is appreciated by the Paki mofos who seem to be too stupid to tell the difference between their butthole and a hole in the ground. Apparently, it is India that is provoking pakistan...go figure...thoo, pakis.

One thing is clear: the ignoring of Pakis is causing them intense burning in all their orifices. So much so that Zaidi wants pakis to start ignoring India...they should go ahead and do that for a change.

Mosharraf Zaidi retweeted
M Ansari ‏@ansarim 21h21 hours ago

How should Pakistan handle trolling by India's rightwing govt? Ignore it dont take the bait. @mosharrafzaidi right on http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-9 ... ndle-India …
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Mosharraf Zaidi retweeted
projectKASHMIR ‏@_projectkashmir 20h20 hours ago

#Pakistan's strength lies in its ability to absorb #India's provocations | Brilliant by @MosharrafZaidi http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-9 ... ndle-India …
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Mosharraf Zaidi retweeted
Sameen Khan ‏@sameenhkhan 17h17 hours ago

@mosharrafzaidi on how PK should deal w/ IN (inc. excellent advice on dealing w/ everyday, real-life trolls) http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-9 ... ndle-India …
1 retweet 2 favorites

arun · Post by **arun** » 17 Jun 2015 10:21

US Secretary of State talks to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Prime Minister regarding relations with India.

Trust that if the US Secretary of State does take it upon himself to provide any unsolicited advice to India on relations with US’s Major Non-NATO Ally, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the US will be sent packing with a flea in the year by India.

Excerpt dealing with transpired between US Secretary of State and Prime Minister of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

I talked today with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif of Pakistan regarding a recent increase in the tensions publicly between India and Pakistan. It’s of enormous concern to all of us for all the obvious reasons. These are two very, very important countries playing a critical role with respect to regional interests, and it’s very, very important that there be no misinterpretation or miscalculation with respect to any of the back-and-forth and the empowerment some entities might feel as a result of that. The prime minister was extremely forthcoming. He could not have been more direct. He had actually just finished a conversation himself with the prime minister of India. And we welcomed some thinking together about how we can work, all of us, to try to reduce those tensions over the course of the next days and weeks.

From State Department website here:

Secretary Kerry's Press Availability

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Jun 2015 10:26

partha wrote:Madame Fair's article is good but do notice that she is pushing for LOC as the international border instead of full POK becoming part of India. She has been pushing this line ever since she took the blue pill.

Though I would be wary of her (in spite of the fact that she has been articulating very accurately about Pakistan, her knowledge of Pakistan is incredible, and she is unafraid to speak plainly about that country at the slightest opportunity backed by her extensive research), I must say that the LoC=IB is a solution that has been spoken of by many in India too (not of the Mani Shankar Aiyyar variety) as the only realistic solution especially after 1998, dismissing reclaiming POK as a mere maximalist position. However, the leasing of GB and increasingly of rest of POK to China makes matters difficult for that line of LoC=IB reasoning. China's investments in POK stem from its belief that ultimately settlement of borders will be along these lines.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Jun 2015 10:30

arun wrote:US Secretary of State talks to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Prime Minister regarding relations with India.

Trust that if the US Secretary of State does take it upon himself to provide any unsolicited advice to India on relations with US’s Major Non-NATO Ally, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the US will be sent packing with a flea in the year by India.

arun, I only hope so.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Jun 2015 10:36

I have added Ms. C. Fair's latest in the first post.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Jun 2015 10:42

On that article by Ms. C.Fair, we have to realize that probably only two countries (apart from of course India and Pakistan), the UK and the US, are aware of the complete story and how dangerously false is this equivalency. Unfortunately, they have chosen to ignore that. the other countries would tactically take a position, if at all they have to. Most others are plainly sick and tired of this dispute. From among the 3½ Friends, only Ms. C.Fair has both understood and articulated the Pakistani perfidy. The other who comes nearest is Cohen but he has been uneven as we know.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 17 Jun 2015 10:45

China pushes Uighurs to give up fasting in Ramazan - Dawn

This is the reason Pakistan needed genuine Islamic ideology group like ISIS, not some ISI-poodles like TTP or Taliban or LET. Had ISIS been present in Pakistan, they would have held at least some protests before Chinese embassy.

Shame on Pak's ISI for being mute spectator of Muslims suffering. It proves that ISI-PA generals care more about Monies than Ummah.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Jun 2015 10:58

The funny thing about Mosharraf Zaidi is that he tries to describe India and pefectly describes Pakistan.

Apparently India is causing "instability in South Asia". Pakistan has sponsored terrorism/killings in Iran, Afghanistan, India and Bangladesh on an industrial scale. Why no mention of that?

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 17 Jun 2015 11:34

Has this been posted? Watch only up to 16:30 and have fun!

Pakistani President Asif Zardari Speech Against General Raheel Sharif And Pakistan Army

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Jun 2015 13:04

Ms C. Fair says that "Pakistan has been able to get away with relying upon Islamist militants to prosecute its policies with respect to India with impunity due to its nuclear weapons.". It is certainly true. However, Pakistan had conducted jihadi terrorism against India since 1947 as she herself admits at one point (though certainly the scope and scale of the terrorism increased dramatically after 1989 and most especially after 1998). So, what prompted it to do so, a country whose CINC (Composite Index of National Capability) has always been about a sixth of its adversary? That's something that Ms. C.Fair has not talked about. She needs to talk about it at some point so as to complete the circle and fill the gap. I say this because she openly admits that the US behaves the way it does due to Pakistani coercion and therefore she can discuss the US-Pakistan or the UK-Pakistan relationship as well candidly.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 17 Jun 2015 14:17

SSridhar wrote:Ms C. Fair says that "Pakistan has been able to get away with relying upon Islamist militants to prosecute its policies with respect to India with impunity due to its nuclear weapons.". It is certainly true. However, Pakistan had conducted jihadi terrorism against India since 1947 as she herself admits at one point (though certainly the scope and scale of the terrorism increased dramatically after 1989 and most especially after 1998). So, what prompted it to do so, a country whose CINC (Composite Index of National Capability) has always been about a sixth of its adversary? That's something that Ms. C.Fair has not talked about. She needs to talk about it at some point so as to complete the circle and fill the gap. I say this because she openly admits that the US behaves the way it does due to Pakistani coercion and therefore she can discuss the US-Pakistan or the UK-Pakistan relationship as well candidly.

SSridhar Ji,

One would rather use the Word "BLACKMAIL".
Cheers

arun · Post by **arun** » 17 Jun 2015 14:37

X Posted from the “Pakistan Economic Stress Watch” thread.

In the year of announcement of grandiose plans for putting up projects in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan by Taller than Himalaya’s, Deeper than Indian Ocean, Sweeter than Honey, Iron Brother Peoples Republic of China under China-Pakistan Economic Corridor aka CPEC, foreign direct investment by P.R. China in the Islamic Republic Pakistan actually collapses

:

In another news flash, our Sino friends invested $218 million in 11MFY15, which is quite a drop from an inflow of nearly $600 million last year

Further the collapse in P.R. Chinese FDI has been a lot sharper than the overall collapse of FDI:

In what was supposed to be a year of "stability", foreign direct investments nearly halved in the eleven months ending May 2015; from $1.5 billion in 11MFY14 to $803 million in 11MFY15.

From Business Recorder:

What was FDI in Pakistan?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 17 Jun 2015 15:13

Gus wrote:gilgit and baltistan in northenr areas that are still shia heavy is probably in the realm of realism, but the mirpur to prolly upto skardu is lost to pakjabi pasand population.

Nothing should be considered lost for ever!

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 17 Jun 2015 15:33

SSridhar wrote:Ms C. Fair says that "Pakistan has been able to get away with relying upon Islamist militants to prosecute its policies with respect to India with impunity due to its nuclear weapons.". It is certainly true. However, Pakistan had conducted jihadi terrorism against India since 1947 as she herself admits at one point (though certainly the scope and scale of the terrorism increased dramatically after 1989 and most especially after 1998). So, what prompted it to do so, a country whose CINC (Composite Index of National Capability) has always been about a sixth of its adversary? That's something that Ms. C.Fair has not talked about. She needs to talk about it at some point so as to complete the circle and fill the gap. I say this because she openly admits that the US behaves the way it does due to Pakistani coercion and therefore she can discuss the US-Pakistan or the UK-Pakistan relationship as well candidly.

SSji +1

This terrorism under nuke-umbrella is a modern secularism. Before that also Pakis were terrorists.

Another secular fallacy is that democratic govts in Pakistan have better track record than army-dictators when it comes to terrorism but that is also an inaccurate understanding. In one of my blog posts I presented the data.

There is no excuse for India to be nice to Pakis. India should simply get out of secular Tamas and give an ultimatum to Pakista - convert or die, islamic style.

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 17 Jun 2015 15:37

This is brilliant trolling!
I distinctly remember Paki tweeple posting photos of GB et al after GOI's statement on GB elections.
Btw, the Paki who posted this image calls himself a TSPA officer.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 17 Jun 2015 15:41

Foreign investment falls in negative territory

KARACHI: The foreign direct investment (FDI) fell to negative $7 million in May compared to $612m in the same month last year, while the foreign private investments (FPI) were just $35m against $671m a year ago, said the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) on Tuesday.

The government, for the last two years, has been expressing hopes of huge foreign investment in the country, particularly from China. However, the data indicates that so far it has failed to mobilise foreign investors.

The government, which presented its third budget recently, has been making tall claims about the economic growth and foreign investments, but it appears that it is leaning on Chinese investment for fast-paced development.

Comment: Pakistan is going to learn the hard way that there is 'no free lunch'

Vril · Post by **Vril** » 17 Jun 2015 15:52

So its true. leader of ghusswa-in-behind has been arrested in barbaria for posting anti barbaria comments in teetar while sitting in barbaria . the sombre tone and tenor of the anchor suggests the ghazi might be in deep dodo this time

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 17 Jun 2015 15:59

Sind Rangers Investigate Karachi Land Mafia

KARACHI: The Rangers’ visit to the Sindh Building Control Authority on Monday remains shrouded in mystery as the official reason being put forward for the visit does not match the way the personnel were dressed and had entered the civic agency offices, and then remained there for a considerably long time.

While the acting SBCA chief maintains that the Monday visit of the Rangers to his office was to generally discuss the illegal construction, the way the fully armed personnel wearing balaclavas entered the SBCA does not conform to the reason put forward by the SBCA.

Answering another query that the issues mentioned could hardly take 10 to 15 minutes, and how he accounted for the two-and-a-half hours stay of the Rangers officials in his office, he said during the rest of the time tea was served and the weather was discussed.

In reply to a question regarding the whereabouts of SBCA DG Manzoor Qadir and if he had been informed of the Rangers’ visit,
he said Mr Qadir had been suffering from hypertension and had a high sugar level for the past few weeks and was on a month-long sick leave, so he had not been informed about it.

Comment : Now wait for the MQM fireworks to start !

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 17 Jun 2015 17:36

Haz-rat Zaid Ham-IED in deep doo doo in KSA

Bugger had it coming
He was prolly trying to do a Gazwa-e-Saudia while he was there
Maybe he is trying to write a book on the Iran-Yemen-Saudi ops.
Being the prophet that he is, after notching up success after success in gazwa-e-hind, he thought that the time is ripe to do some gazwa in KSA

He's been saying things like, 'Mecca and Medina should be free from the clutches of the Al Saud family',
He's been berating the govt of KSA on paki tv channels over the yemen crisis.
He was meeting some undesirable elements there? The deposed royals?

We'll just have to wait until this profet crawls back to Pakhistan, and then we can get to hear his stories of victories in Gazwa-e-Saudia...

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 17 Jun 2015 18:00

>>after notching up success after success in gazwa-e-hind

Surely you mean Ghazwa-be-hind?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 17 Jun 2015 18:10

Anujan wrote:The funny thing about Mosharraf Zaidi is that he tries to describe India and pefectly describes Pakistan.

Apparently India is causing "instability in South Asia". Pakistan has sponsored terrorism/killings in Iran, Afghanistan, India and Bangladesh on an industrial scale. Why no mention of that?

You expect Paki punks to even consider that they have done or continue to do anything wrong? From their perverted, delusional vantage point, they are the victim. The only way to deal with that complex is complete public, visible humiliation of the b@satrds, hold them by their b@lls and drive home the message of their thuggery, and only then relent bit by bit. Or else, they will do equal equal or brazenly, as you said, put all their crimes on the door step of India (and I don't know the piskological term where you assuage yourself of any guilt by attributing the very sins you are accused of and know you are guilty of on somebody else).

Sadly, India cannot do this alone. TSP has to be isolated like Iran and NK to bring it to its knees. Furthermore, India suffers from the reverse syndrome, aka, Stockholm syndrome and other mental deficiencies, so much so, that even large swathes of Indians recite the TSP narrative. Today, we are openly seeing India's Cong and other opposition joining hands with TSP to sing the same tune as the Zaidi skunk.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 17 Jun 2015 19:32

Possible Modi-Sharif meeting on sidelines of Russia summit?
http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation ... 95011.html

There is a possibility of a meeting between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif on the sidelines of the annual summit of Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) in Russian city of Ufa next month with an aim to move forward and normalise ties.

There is a view that yesterday's telephonic call by the Prime Minister to Sharif has "lowered the temperatures" between India and Pakistan which have been involved in a war of words over Modi's critical remarks about Pakistan during his Dhaka visit recently and in the wake of India's military action in Myanmar.

However, no official request for a meeting has been initiated from either side so far...

The annual SCO summit will be held in Ufa from July 9-10 and both India and Pakistan are likely to be granted full membership of the China-backed grouping.

In his telephonic conversation, Modi had also conveyed to Sharif India's decision to release detained Pakistani fishermen on the "pious" occasion of Ramzan.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 17 Jun 2015 19:43

According to the Paki TV shows, Saudi Intelligence was monitoring Hazrat Zaid Hamid A.K.A Lal Topi internet traffic.

A Paki website (Siasat.Pk) informs that this political anal- ist ,[ besides bad mouthing the Saudis in his (back home )sermons], also posted some disparaging remarks about the poor conditions/ destruction of some historical masajids that he visited in the] Medina area. It will be interesting to see how this will affect his H & D and whether he will still have the support of his sponsor (Pak Army) when ultimately he will be released and quietly brought home.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 17 Jun 2015 20:10

Badmash distances himself from Dus - Percenti !

ISLAMABAD: After the anti-military remarks made by Asif Ali Zardari yesterday, the prime minister was left with no option but to call off today’s meeting the PPP co-chairman, said Federal Information Minister Pervaiz Rashid.

A day after Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) co-chairperson and former president Asif Ali Zardari unleashed his tirade against the military leadership, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on Wednesday stepped in to defend the armed forces.

Speaking to Dawn.com after the Senate session, Babar said that Zardari is expected to meet PM Nawaz today to discuss the overall situation of Sindh. Later, PPP sources told Dawn.com that the meeting would not take place due to personal engagements of the two leaders.

Comment: Such a scenario has occurred in the past as well; just public posturing! Since both of them have the same 'business agenda' i.e. looting of the national treasury,

it is better for them to cooperate, rather than confront, in this joint venture.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 17 Jun 2015 20:19

Falijee wrote:Foreign investment falls in negative territory

KARACHI: The foreign direct investment (FDI) fell to negative $7 million in May compared to $612m in the same month last year, while the foreign private investments (FPI) were just $35m against $671m a year ago, said the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) on Tuesday.

What does it mean when the FDI goes negative? Does that mean people started to pull their money out of Pakistan, instead of investing in it?

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 17 Jun 2015 20:21

"This was one of the most exciting moment we experienced today. calling it Thrilling is an understatement. Riding in the Arabian desert on a beautiful Arabian horse one transcends the history and enters the Qurun e Aula, the golden age when Muslim armies marched out of Arabia! It was a mystical experience, Mashllah!" Syed Zaid Hamid 6th July 2011

It seems like only yesterdin that Jahil was riding horses in Barbaria. Now probably the horse would be riding his behind.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Jun 2015 20:29

manjgu wrote:https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz8QI ... user=0[url][/url]

What is the link about. I guess folks are forgetting no links without description.

Normally I should warn you but am cautioning you and all others who put links without description.
You read the link, have the extra diligence to post what its about.

Thanks,

ramana

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 17 Jun 2015 20:30

ArmenT wrote: What does it mean when the FDI goes negative? Does that mean people started to pull their money out of Pakistan, instead of investing in it?

Yes.

For example, Saudi Arabia pulled out $116.8 million or something like that.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Jun 2015 20:39

SSridhar wrote:On that article by Ms. C.Fair, we have to realize that probably only two countries (apart from of course India and Pakistan), the UK and the US, are aware of the complete story and how dangerously false is this equivalency. Unfortunately, they have chosen to ignore that. the other countries would tactically take a position, if at all they have to. Most others are plainly sick and tired of this dispute. From among the 3½ Friends, only Ms. C.Fair has both understood and articulated the Pakistani perfidy. The other who comes nearest is Cohen but he has been uneven as we know.

Despite AQK Xeroxing antics, it was only in 1986 that China gave TSP the nukes with US turning a blind eye. The centrifuges proliferation did no work. No TSP nuke capability.
Yet US was ramping up support to Afghan jihadis with Stingers and escalating the fight via TSP.

FSU could have attacked the sources of weapons supply in TSP as the losses increased.
In the breach both US and China could not directly support TSP. So the nukes and F-16 upgrades were provided. In other words China provided the nuke and US the delivery system.
PRC cleverly gave the so called CHIC-4 design which is also suspected to be from US.
This itself shows two of the four fathers decided that they cannot stand behind TSP.

After end of Cold War and collapse of FSU, PRC decided to up the ante and gave missiles to Pakis;M-9 and M11.
Then came No Dong from North Korea.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 17 Jun 2015 20:42

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 17 Jun 2015 20:43

Comer wrote:It seems like only yesterdin that Jahil was riding horses in Barbaria. Now probably the horse would be riding his behind.

Many Big big Arab Horses must be riding him now ...

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 17 Jun 2015 21:52

'Arrest' may be a lie. That phuckeer may be morale boosting all sooth asian cadre among ISIS for ghazwa-e-behind. I will believe only if his limbs are amputuated in public according to soothi barbarian law.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 17 Jun 2015 21:58

Comer wrote:http://www.dawn.com/news/1187952/missin ... t-thickens

SLAMABAD: The mystery of the ‘missing’ necklace, donated by the wife of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan for the flood-hit people of Pakistan in 2010, appeared to be resolving on Friday as former prime minister Yousaf Raza Gilani admitted that it was in his possession.

However, talking to Dawn, the former prime minister and former National Database and Registration Authority chairman Ali Arshad Hakeem offered conflicting accounts.

Mr Gilani said he had close ties with the Erdogan family and Mrs Erdogan was like a sister to him. “The necklace belongs to my sister and is with me.”

He said that after the necklace was donated by the Turkish first lady, he expressed a desire to visit a flood-relief camp in Sindh where a couple was getting married. He said he was invited to a camp and to his surprise, was greeted by eight girls waiting to get married.

He said he had the necklace evaluated and the market price was put at around Rs200,000. He said he o had taken the necklace there with the intention of gifting it to a bride, but since there was only one necklace and eight couples, he decided that each couple should be given Rs200,000.
The whole story sounds so conphusing like reading Bakistan economy report.

The Ex Pakistan PM is a lucky guy indeed !

Blessed with 'so many sisters' who will ' look ' after him ; first there is his own 'natural' sister/sisters; then there is the wife of the Turkish PM ; and, finally, not to forget the famous 'Sherry' Rahman

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Jun 2015 22:25

There are a lot of twitter handles claiming to be ISI officers or paki army men. I am pretty sure 99% of them are sitting in their mother's basement in Lahore or Bradford and writing Pakistan army fan fiction. The tweets included revelations like how the entire regiment fired their guns in the air after a cricket match victory. That's a bit of a stretch even by Pakistan army standards.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Jun 2015 23:01

We need not fall for every turn and twist that US experts contort to due to their own compulsions. We have four more years to ride the wave and then rebuild the wave.
meantime who knows what kaal brings.