Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22 2015

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Jul 2015 06:07

So that Pakistan ceases to matter - G.Parthasarathy, Business Line

At the Saarc summit in Kathmandu in 2003, the heads of government proclaimed: “To give effect to the shared aspirations for a more prosperous South Asia, the (Saarc) leaders agreed on the vision of a phased and planned process, eventually leading to a South Asian Economic Union.”

India’s regional economic integration has been far slower in South Asia than what has transpired in its relations with Asean, with whom India has concluded free trade agreements (FTAs) in both goods and services.

Moreover, India has concluded comprehensive economic cooperation agreements, going well beyond an FTA, with Japan and South Korea. Despite the conclusion of a Saarc FTA, Pakistan has placed crippling trade restrictions on Indian exports and made a farce of pious declarations to establish an economic union in South Asia. There is no realistic reason to believe this will change in the foreseeable future.

Pakistani obstacles

Pakistan’s determination to torpedo South Asian regional cooperation was starkly manifested in its opposition to India’s proposal for launching a satellite for exclusive use by Saarc members. Mercifully, the enthusiasm shown by other members forced Pakistan to eventually fall in line.

Apart from trade, there are two other crucial features that accelerate regional cooperation —connectivity and energy cooperation, including interlinking of electricity grids. The 2014 Saarc summit in Kathmandu spoke of increasing regional cooperation in areas ranging from connectivity and energy, to terrorism and telecommunications.

Obviously, Pakistan has no intention of expanding cooperation in any of these areas. It blocks road connectivity between India and Afghanistan. Despite facing severe power shortages, it has rejected offers from India to supply electricity. It sends the likes of Ajmal Kasab to engage in terrorism in India and provides a haven to the likes of Dawood Ebrahim and Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi.

New Delhi has now moved ahead on measures that will promote regional cooperation, bypassing Pakistan. Connectivity with Afghanistan is now being sought through the Iranian port of Chahbahar.

At a recent ministerial meeting in Bhutan, the transport ministers of India, Nepal, Bhutan and Bangladesh concluded a significant motor vehicle agreement, laying the framework for seamless movement of passenger, personal and cargo vehicular traffic among these countries. Transport Minister Nitin Gadkari said the agreement would “allow motor vehicles of all categories in our countries to move freely in our region”.

Making other connections

India and its eastern neighbours envisage a massive project, including 30 priority transport connectivity corridors, requiring investment of around $8 billion. Initial estimates suggest that such corridors could potentially increase sub-regional trade by 60 per cent. The Asian Development Bank has expressed interest in funding such projects.

It remains to be seen if the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB) will adopt a similarly positive approach. As relations with Bangladesh improve, the prospects for land and maritime connectivity with our north-eastern States, through Bangladesh, appear increasingly bright.

The prospects for energy cooperation with our eastern neighbours are immense. Efforts made over the past year have helped create an environment to tap into Nepal’s vast hydro-electric potential of 83,000 MW. Barely 600 MW of this potential is now being utilised. While independent Indian power producers from the private sector are in the process of negotiating agreements to generate around 11,000 MW, delays could arise because of political uncertainties in Nepal.

Similar considerations could cause delays in major inter-governmental projects such as the 5,600-MW Pancheshwar multipurpose project. Grid connectivity between India and Nepal is also set to expand. At the same, time hydro-electric projects in Bhutan are being expeditiously completed, with a target of 30,000 MW by 2030.

The prospects for developing an eastern electricity grid linking India, Nepal, Bhutan, and Bangladesh are bright, as grid connections have also been established between Bangladesh, and Tripura and West Bengal. India will supply Bangladesh 1,100 MW of power from West Bengal and Tripura by the end of this year.

Moreover, implementation has already begun on a 1,320-MW thermal power station in Bangladesh, at an estimated cost of $1.2 billion. The project is being executed by a JV of India’s public sector National Thermal Power Corporation and the Bangladesh Power Development Board.

Arunachal Pradesh has huge hydroelectric potential. The State government is seeking to conclude agreements for some 42 hydroelectric projects with an estimated capacity of 27,000 MW.

Construction on the Upper Salang hydroelectric project with an estimated capacity of 12,000 MW has commenced. Hopefully, environmental challenges to these projects will be expeditiously addressed.

India is planning to take forward its proposals for land connectivity agreed to in Bhutan, by fashioning a similar agreement with Myanmar and Thailand, by December 2015.

Going beyond Saarc

A proposal to provide road connectivity to Sri Lanka through a bridge and an underwater tunnel is under consideration. This would complete an ambitious programme for a trans-Asian road and transport network across the Bay of Bengal. Project financing from the ADB, which will be competing with the AIIB, could be considered.

New bus services were inaugurated and made operational during the visit of Prime Minister Narendra Modi to Nepal and Bangladesh. There are also proposals under consideration for an India-Sri Lanka high voltage DC grid, linking either Madurai or Tuticorin in Tamil Nadu, with Anuradhapura or Puttalam in Sri Lanka.

We could then see an electricity grid linking India, Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Myanmar and Thailand — all members of BIMSTEC (Bay of Bengal Initiative for Multi-Sectoral Technical and Economic Cooperation). This would be akin to the North American electricity grid, linking the US, Canada and Mexico.

In these circumstances, New Delhi should recognise that the only realistic route to economic integration in its neighbourhood lies primarily on the east, along and across the Bay of Bengal.

Structures other than Saarc need to be fashioned for cooperation across the Arabian Sea with island states such as the Maldives, Seychelles and Mauritius.

We can pay lip service to Saarc, but have to recognise that it is not the forum for any meaningful cooperation. New regional architecture has to be crafted, to meet the challenges posed by China’s land and maritime silk routes.

The writer is a former High Commissioner to Pakistan

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Jul 2015 06:18

Hilary e-mails show US struggling with Pakistan policy amid 'Ghandi' fiasco - Chidanand Rajghatta, ToI

The emails range from the mundane to the mysterious to the methodical.

A large tranche of Hillary Clinton's emails released by the State Department on Tuesday in response to a Freedom Of Information Act lawsuit shows the inner workings of the U.S government -- from extended debates over policy to personal touches. There are several references to India and the subcontinent in the 3000 pages released so far - which is only a small part of the 55,000 pages that has to be released by the end of the year - and they don't always show the state department in a flattering light.

For instance, soon after the UPA's government returning to power in the 2009 Lok Sabha election, Clinton aide Huma Abedin, also known as her constant shadow and ''body woman,'' alerts the then Secretary of State about the appointment of S.M.Krishna as India's External Affairs Minister. ''What do we know about him?'' Clinton asks in a reply email. ''Long time politico, was close to rajiv ghandi. III send his bio to oscar to print for you,'' Abedin responds.

Abedin, who was born in Michigan to mixed Indian-Pakistani parents (father from India; mother from Pakistan), is unable to nail the Gandhi spelling notwithstanding her sub-continental heritage and a degree from George Washington University. She later flags for Hillary Clinton's attention possible calls to India following the election results.

''On election calls, SCA is recommending calls to Congress Party head Sonia Ghandi, outgoing FM Mukherjee, and incoming FM Krishna. We also have a call sheet for Prime Minister Singh in case you want to call. Please let me know if u want to do these calls tomorrow,'' she writes. SCA stands for South Central Asia, the State Department bureau that deals with India.

Pakistan too figures in some of the emails, coming across as a major worry for U.S planners on account of its chronic instability due to its support for terror groups.

In fact, in one exchange, a long term strategy group that conducts simulations for U.S agencies on geo-political scenarios writes to Clinton outlining a possibility Pakistan breaking up. It proposed exploring ''The impact of a potential end of effective central government in Pakistan that leaves a Punjab state co-existing with a Baluch/Sindh state and an Afghanistan that expands to control the border regions now part of Pakistan.''

In a more elaborate note, former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger also writes to Clinton suggesting that the U.S target Pakistani military leaders who give support to Al Qaeda and its allies. No one even questions the premise that Pakistan is supporting terror groups.

''Assuming we have adequate intelligence, we can go after bank accounts, travel and other reachable assets of individual Pakistani officers, raising the stakes for those supporting the militants without creating an inordinate backlash,'' Berger writes in an October 4, 2009 e-mail to Hillary Clinton.

''Thanks, Sandy. This is very helpful,'' Clinton responds, without saying whether she intends to accept the suggestion.

On a lighter note, the emails also show Hillary Clinton is clueless about operating a fax machine and has to be walked though how to receive a fax by her aide Huma Abedin.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 02 Jul 2015 06:29

sanjaykumar wrote:Laal topi wale preyed heavily on the Hind mind
Now his Arab masters play merrily on his pink be-hind.

Saudi are keeping him under Pathan watch do do the preliminary exploration work before genuine Saudi Syed exercise his option of right hand possession.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 Jul 2015 06:40

Now how will Ghazi Zaid Hamid (PBUH) become Prejident of Bakistan hain ji?

This guy was bleating like a lamb that someone make him president - that's why he wanted a coo by the fauj in Bakistan.

After being unsuccessful, the bloody fool thought that if he did something outrageous in KSA and in Medina too - take a principled stand, and berate KSA and the royal family, will increase his popularity back home.

I guess being a Pakistani, any bluff goes in Pakistan, noone ever has the balls to challange you - so you see all Pakistanis bluffing big time.

KSA showed Zaid Hamid his true meaningless place.

Poor guy, with an arrest record in the holiest of the holiest places, and after lashings in the holiest of the holiest places, now he'll never be a mehdi / President / leader - he has been shamed permanently. He is now a blasphemer.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 Jul 2015 06:43

I am more interested to see what they do to the likes of Ejaz Haider et all who breathed fire about the Saudis on Paki TV

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 02 Jul 2015 07:16

^^^ President Clinton => (at least) shadow Sec of State Huma Ghandi Abedin. And no wonder the clinton years were so screwed up re. india policy.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 02 Jul 2015 07:19

No one even questions the premise that Pakistan is supporting terror groups.

every one of them are pathological liars who protect pakistan at the cost of american blood and money. and then come on stage and pretend to be the uber nationalist i eat starts and crap stripes BS..

two dozen republicans in the primary and not one of them is questioning this. this is the amount of inertia and barriers it has..

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 02 Jul 2015 07:25

Gagan wrote:After being unsuccessful, the bloody fool thought that if he did something outrageous in KSA and in Medina too - take a principled stand, and berate KSA and the royal family, will increase his popularity back home.

KSA showed Zaid Hamid his true meaningless place.

Poor guy, with an arrest record in the holiest of the holiest places, and after lashings in the holiest of the holiest places, now he'll never be a mehdi / President / leader - he has been shamed permanently. He is now a blasphemer.

Or rather this was a calculated gamble on his part to force himself back into relevance and whatever passes for mainstream relevance in Pakjab these days. If (or rather when) he gets out of this - it's a 8 year sentence not capital punishment and he may be released sooner after some understanding between ummah birathers, he'll come back to Pakistan proclaiming himself to the hero who stood up to the decadent Saudis for the cause of the ummah and suffered untold hardships for this.

He would have been shamed had the arrest been for some perverted activity- liquour consumption, adultery, theft, smuggling, perverted activities etc.

Lal Topi will milk this to the very last drop and proclaim himself as the new Mehdi..

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 02 Jul 2015 07:30

East Pakistan - Part II Scenario Developing ?

Pakistani Anal- list Fears Similar Backlash

We were not told that a lot that happened in East Pakistan was a backlash of the socio-economic exploitation of Bengalis at the hands of West Pakistan where Bengalis were treated as second-class citizens

Why I talk about this is because the narrative being built against the MQM has some very uncomfortable similarities with Agartala. I am in no position to acknowledge or deny whether Mr Hussain took the help of India to launch a movement against the security forces or whether Sheikh Mujeeb did it or not. The bigger question is whether both Sheikh Mujeeb and Altaf Hussain enjoyed massive, almost unanimous support among their communities. If leaders of such masys support are seeking external help, that more than anything is a failure of the power system of a state.

An even bigger question was raised by a friend of mine the other day (and a Punjabi friend if you are wondering) on why it is that from Bacha Khan to Sheikh Mujeeb to the Mengals, Marris, Bugtis and to Altaf Hussain, all ‘traitors’ have been non-Punjabis. If I may add to this, why is it that from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa to Balochistan and to Sindh, law enforcement cannot be entrusted to local police and is rested in the hands of paramilitary forces while no such need has ever been felt in Punjab despite it being the hotbed of issues from the Punjabi Taliban to sectarian terrorism. No matter what explanation one wants to give, it ultimately is about the control of the resources of minor provinces. Alarmingly, for this the shoulder of security forces is used and Punjab takes the frontal role but ultimately this benefits a small cabal of crony capitalists only. It is a game in which we all suffer and lose (even Punjabis), and only a handful wins.

History is going to repeat itself- no need for an 'outside' helping hand if the above is to be believed

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 Jul 2015 07:36

arun wrote:Brotherly Iran lobs mortar shells on the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. While article is datelined today, Wednesday July 1st, the event is reported as having taken place on Monday June 29th:

Iran border guards fire mortar shells in Panjgur

Besides Iran lobbing mortars there has been an armed clash on the Durand Line today between the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and Brotherly Afghan security forces resulting in fatalities.

Clearly the Ramadan season is not showing evidence of brotherly peace breaking out.

Turkeys wire service, Anadolou Agency citing Afghan Interior Ministry spokesman Sediq Sediqqi:

9 killed in clashes on Afghan-Pakistani border

Brotherly Iran continues to lob mortars for the second night in a row during Mohammadden holy month of Ramadan aka Ramzan onto the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Border violation: Iranian forces fire shells into Panjgur again

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 02 Jul 2015 07:40

talking of zahil hamied , he does not get along well with badmaash et al civilian "politicians" .. that is well known...so could they have requested saudi to show this chap his place ?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 Jul 2015 07:59

http://www.dawn.com/news/1191762

So far Pakistan has not shared with the United States any evidence of India’s involvement in terrorist activities inside its territory, says the US State Department.

During a recent visit to Washington, Foreign Secretary Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhary had said that Pakistan had evidence of India’s involvement in such activities.

“I am not aware of any such delivery,” said US State Department spokesman John Kirby when asked at a news briefing if Pakistan had shared those proofs with the United States.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Jul 2015 08:20

Raking up the MQM-RAW link for brownie points - Subhir Bhaumik, The Hindu

The BBC’s so-called exposé on India’s external intelligence agency, Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), funding the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) party in Sindh, has triggered a furore. But has anyone in the BBC cared to look at the story’s sourcing? As someone who, for 17 years with the BBC, reported extensively on both intelligence and insurgency, I have doubts over the story’s veracity, written by my former colleague Owen Bennett-Jones, over the RAW’s MQM connections. The first line in the story gives it away — and over an issue all BBC reporters were trained to hold dear. This is how the story begins: “Officials in Pakistan’s MQM party have told U.K. authorities they received Indian government funds, the BBC learnt from an authoritative Pakistani source.”

Confirming sources

A British reporter of the BBC getting to hear what the MQM has told U.K. authorities from “an authoritative Pakistani source”? In my time in the BBC, such sourcing would never be accepted. The BBC newsroom would surely ask for a second reliable source. And common sense would dictate the newsroom to go in for confirmation from the U.K. authorities, preferably those directly involved in the MQM investigations. Several key questions arise. Do the Pakistani sources have access to U.K. authorities who are investigating the MQM? Has the U.K. shared such details with the MQM? If the U.K. has got clinching evidence about MQM money-laundering, has it moved against their U.K.-based leaders? But most important — why can’t the BBC, of all organisations, get authentic U.K. sourcing on such a sensitive story? In subsequent paragraphs, the whole story is made to hang on Pakistani sources.

In the last few months, top Pakistani ministers and military officials have blamed the RAW for all the smoke and fire in Pakistan, accusing it of fuelling unrest in Balochistan, North-West Frontier Province, Sindh — even for the Taliban attack on the Army school in Peshawar in which more than 100 schoolchildren were killed. The allegations born of paranoia after India got several consulates from a friendly Afghan government in towns bordering Pakistan has been carried to extreme limits, as is seen in this case where India is being blamed for a Pakistani Taliban attack on an army school in Pakistan. In the absence of concrete U.K. sourcing, the BBC story looks as much like any story in Pakistani media, which blame the RAW for all the unrest in Pakistan now.

In my time with the BBC, stories I would often get through my extensive contacts in Bangladesh and Myanmar would be used only when verified by local bureaus there. On rare occasions, the BBC did run my newsbreaks like United Liberated Front of Assam (ULFA) topshot Anup Chetia’s arrest in Dhaka, but only after ULFA and the Indian intelligence had confirmed it and it had been crosschecked with Bangladesh sources.

The RAW’s MQM connections and with other ‘assets’ in Pakistan in the past are well-known. The RAW’s late veteran B. Raman had alluded to it in his book The Kao-boys of R&AW. He had gone so far as to say: “If Rajiv Gandhi had not lost the elections in 1989 and if A.K. Verma had continued as the chief of R&AW for two or three years more, Pakistan would not be existing in its present form today.” It is well-known by now that I.K. Gujral, when he was Prime Minister, closed down all RAW offensive operations in Pakistan, forcing the agency to close down the CIT cells (J and X) that were used for them. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that these cells or similar ones were revived for offensive operations any more. When such a decision is taken, the carefully nurtured ‘offensive assets’ are either pulled back if they are infiltrated from India, or they go astray in the absence of support if they are locals. So, is Pakistan raising a calculated furore over MQM’s India links at a time when their leaders are being investigated in the U.K. for possessing weapons (that came to light over the investigations of a murder) and for money-laundering? Is it trying to raise hell over what happened 20 years ago to score brownie points in the current context? That clearly seems to be the case.

The Sindh card

While elaborating on state-sponsored insurgencies in South Asia between 1947 and the 1990s earlier, I had argued that nation states in post-colonial South Asia have reciprocally backed insurgencies and militancy against each other. The documentation covered how Pakistan, India and even Bangladesh used cross-border insurgents as part of national policy. This indeed is the unique feature of hostile neighbourhood relations in South Asia after the departure of the colonial power. The late Benazir Bhutto had told Indian editor M.J. Akbar that President Zia-ul-Haq is making a mistake by fuelling Khalistani militancy in Punjab. “If he plays the Punjab card, India will surely play the Sindh card,” she had said. India did play the Sindh card for quite a while in much the same way she had anticipated, but that is history.

After Gujral started his ‘parantha diplomacy’, the Indian state went into a defensive limbo. Repeated requests by a RAW station chief to mount an assassination attempt on ULFA military wing chief Paresh Baruah in Bangkok using Thai police assets were refused. From the Kachin Independence Army (KIA) to the Shanti Bahini in Bangladesh’s Chittagong Hill Tracts, to the MQM and other Mohajhir hit-groups in Sindh, the RAW pulled back on all these offensive trans-border operations.

From 2000 onwards, India started persuasive regional diplomacy to hit militants across the border. The name of the game changed. It worked in Bhutan and Bangladesh because friendly governments there decided to go after Indian rebels based in their territory with some seriousness. It did not work in Myanmar and surely not in Pakistan. But there is little evidence to show India is as yet trying something different — or something it had tried in the days of Rajiv Gandhi and A.K. Verma.

(Subir Bhaumik is a former BBC correspondent.)

sum · Post by **sum** » 02 Jul 2015 08:25

Repeated requests by a RAW station chief to mount an assassination attempt on ULFA military wing chief Paresh Baruah in Bangkok using Thai police assets were refused. From the Kachin Independence Army (KIA) to the Shanti Bahini in Bangladesh’s Chittagong Hill Tracts, to the MQM and other Mohajhir hit-groups in Sindh, the RAW pulled back on all these offensive trans-border operations.

From 2000 onwards, India started persuasive regional diplomacy to hit militants across the border. The name of the game changed. It worked in Bhutan and Bangladesh because friendly governments there decided to go after Indian rebels based in their territory with some seriousness. It did not work in Myanmar and surely not in Pakistan. But there is little evidence to show India is as yet trying something different — or something it had tried in the days of Rajiv Gandhi and A.K. Verma.

I believe 5 years of this govt should see a lot of this recitified

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 Jul 2015 08:47

X Posted from the “Water Issues In The Indian Sub-Continent” thread.

Hydroelectric power plant: Financiers stop $433m loan for Neelum-Jhelum project:

Express Tribune

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 02 Jul 2015 10:07

Peregrine wrote:Zaid Hamid gets 8 Years in prison, 1000 whips’ punishment in Saudia

JEDDAH – The Saudi court sentenced Pakistani religious commentator Zaid Hamid to eight years and 1000 whips’ over criticizing Saudi government, reported by private TV channel.

According to reports, Zaid Hamid was arrested during a private tour of Saudi Arabia with his wife. Officials said that Zaid spoke against the Saudi government two weeks ago in a ceremony speech. Saudi court convicted Zaid Hamid sentenced to eight years in prison and a thousand lashes.

WOW : The Saudis are going to Insert their Istiqlal into Zee Baby's Istiqbal in the Camel Position - AOA!
Cheers

So he gets one lash for every year his people have ruled over Indian, huh?

partha · Post by **partha** » 02 Jul 2015 10:41

arun wrote:X Posted from the “Water Issues In The Indian Sub-Continent” thread.

Hydroelectric power plant: Financiers stop $433m loan for Neelum-Jhelum project:

Express Tribune

Another punishment by the Barbarians for refusing to participate in Yemen war.

partha · Post by **partha** » 02 Jul 2015 10:47

Planting fake stories in BBC, thundering in domestic media about producing evidence to US of Indian interference and then not producing any evidence goes on to show that "world's number 1" "intelligence" agency is desperate and clueless. Indian agencies must be doing hell of a good job inside Pakistan covering tracks

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 Jul 2015 11:13

As someone remarked: Its good for India if Pakistan believes India funded MQM. It is good for India if Pakistan does not believe India funded MQM

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 02 Jul 2015 12:34

Am I doing plasphemy (Learned Maulaners, kindly excuje this Taleb), I am x posting this from BENIS but this comment to the link is good for STFUP (IMVHO)

X-Post

partha wrote:BBC report: Military commanders to discuss ‘MQM-RAW’ nexus

and the comment:

and the bottomline is ,the golden egg laying city should be under Punjab’s control .
No LG election for the last 8 years ,severe electricity and water crisis , no mass transport system like metro , no jobs due to quota system but all they care is to take over Karachi .

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 02 Jul 2015 14:00

^^^
Why are all the crore kamgandus (hey, we even have Hitler!) wringing their fingers?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Jul 2015 14:09

kancha wrote:
Peregrine wrote:Zaid Hamid gets 8 Years in prison, 1000 whips’ punishment in Saudia

JEDDAH – The Saudi court sentenced Pakistani religious commentator Zaid Hamid to eight years and 1000 whips’ over criticizing Saudi government, reported by private TV channel.

According to reports, Zaid Hamid was arrested during a private tour of Saudi Arabia with his wife. Officials said that Zaid spoke against the Saudi government two weeks ago in a ceremony speech. Saudi court convicted Zaid Hamid sentenced to eight years in prison and a thousand lashes.

WOW : The Saudis are going to Insert their Istiqlal into Zee Baby's Istiqbal in the Camel Position - AOA!
Cheers
So he gets one lash for every year his people have ruled over Indian, huh?

Any bets that Zaid will die in prison?

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 02 Jul 2015 15:34

^^ That would kill off an entire photoshop cottage industry that in turn supports the BENIS dhaaga

No loonier nut has ever or ever will walk this earth...

Pliss naat to jinx..

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 02 Jul 2015 15:34

One of the Four Fathers shatters Cwapistan's Olympic hopes

Cheers

member_23692 · Post by **member_23692** » 02 Jul 2015 15:43

Something I have been saying for a long time. I am afraid, based on what I know, the situation is even more grave than this article suggests. Shameful and disgusting. If I were in charge, which I am not, I would arrest and try hundreds of babus and politicians of the past and try them for treason, for degrading the Indian Army capabilities in this fashion. Note the one quote, attributed to Gen Deepak Kapoor, where he reportedly admitted after the 2008 Mumbai terrorist attacks, that Indian Army does not have the capability to fight a war with Pakistan.

Could India's Military Really Crush Pakistan?
India's conventional military superiority over Pakistan is exaggerated.
Walter C. Ladwig III
July 2, 2015

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/cou ... stan-13247

I am disgusted and speechless. And then we display such hubris...........it is unbelievable.....

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 02 Jul 2015 15:45

RCase wrote:^^^
Why are all the crore kamgandus (hey, we even have Hitler!) wringing their fingers?

Notice the Altaf potrait in "pehind the scene action" and it is all smiles.

The bicchar is Benis stuff but the news and comments are interesting pointers on the deliberate orchestrations of GHQ to take over Karanchi.

Ek mayan mein do talwarein nahin rah saktin. Karanchi humara hai aur hum usay le kar rahenge aur ab toh humara sabse pyaara muhajir Dawood bhi yahaan nahin hai. GHQ paindabad. *
*Phamous dajert saying

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 02 Jul 2015 16:02

Nawaz 'Desperate' to Meet Modi At Summit, Per Pakistan 'Phoren Office'

ISLAMABAD: Foreign Office (FO) spokesman Qazi Khalilullah on Thursday said a possible meeting could take place between Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and Indian premier Narendra Modi on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) summit in Russia.

Speaking at a news briefing at the Foreign Ministry today, the spokesman did not rule out the possibility of the meeting. However, he added that there had been no formal contact between the two leaders regarding such a meeting.

On Other Fronts, this ....

Afghan border gate being constructed on Pakistani side

The spokesman rejected Afghanistan's claim that a gate on the Pak-Afghan border is being constructed on the Afghan side. Khalilullah clarified that the gate was being constructed on the Pakistani side of Angoor Adda in South Waziristan.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 02 Jul 2015 16:14

From Pilot To Drug Addict - In Pakistan

KARACHI: A young man who blocked a road in DHA phase-VI on Tuesday evening, fired random shots into the air and held a passer-by family hostage at gunpoint before being arrested by the police is a trained pilot, said a police officer on Wednesday.

“As the policemen were trying to persuade him to surrender, one of the TV reporters covering the event overpowered him,” said the official. Answering a question, the Darakhshan SHO said that the family had become fed up with him as the suspect demanded too much money from his father to purchase drugs etc.

One reader (rightly or wrongly!) is blaming Kaptaan Imran Khan for this fiasco

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Jul 2015 16:30

shiv wrote:Any bets that Zaid will die in prison?

shiv, if Laal Topiwala is not released quickly by KSA, there will be serious repercussions. For his keen followers here, I mean. Poor guys & gals, what will they do for entertainment in an otherwise cruel world? I hope and pray that he is released soon though only after lashing his behinds 1200 times but in double-quick time. He can come to India and get healed by surgeons who specialize in surgeries in the behinds. What an opportunity that would be?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 Jul 2015 17:44

So Tarek Fateh was talking about Aroosa Alam, a paki journalist who allegedly had anaffair with Capt Amrinder Singh, the then CM of Punjab.
This lady also wrote a story about the Agosta 90 sub corruption in Pakistan

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 02 Jul 2015 17:50

rsangram wrote:Something I have been saying for a long time. I am afraid, based on what I know, the situation is even more grave than this article suggests. Shameful and disgusting. If I were in charge, which I am not, I would arrest and try hundreds of babus and politicians of the past and try them for treason, for degrading the Indian Army capabilities in this fashion. Note the one quote, attributed to Gen Deepak Kapoor, where he reportedly admitted after the 2008 Mumbai terrorist attacks, that Indian Army does not have the capability to fight a war with Pakistan.

Could India's Military Really Crush Pakistan?
India's conventional military superiority over Pakistan is exaggerated.
Walter C. Ladwig III
July 2, 2015

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/cou ... stan-13247

I am disgusted and speechless. And then we display such hubris...........it is unbelievable.....

I read that in spurts. Not sure he is telling us anything new. And with all due respect, your claim of hubris aside, we all know that India TSP military disparity is not like say US/Israel and their nemesis' disparity. Thats why from Vajpayee to MMS and now to ModiJi, nobody is attempting anything risky (in case of MMS he doesn't have the inclination to punish TSP, let alone attempt it. He and his like-minded ilk consider Hindus and RSS a bigger "enemy"). But India has enough power to deter TSP from anything brazen other then sending in a few pigLeTs, and another 26/11 type attack will result in war, make no mistake about it.

But that said, all these BS articles, including that UN vote to block India's move to put TSP in a dock, could all be aimed at bringing pressure on ModiJi to make piss with TSP.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 02 Jul 2015 17:51

Anujan wrote:As someone remarked: Its good for India if Pakistan believes India funded MQM. It is good for India if Pakistan does not believe India funded MQM

very very Chanykian Saar.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 02 Jul 2015 17:59

rsangram wrote:Something I have been saying for a long time. I am afraid, based on what I know, the situation is even more grave than this article suggests. Shameful and disgusting. If I were in charge, which I am not, I would arrest and try hundreds of babus and politicians of the past and try them for treason, for degrading the Indian Army capabilities in this fashion. Note the one quote, attributed to Gen Deepak Kapoor, where he reportedly admitted after the 2008 Mumbai terrorist attacks, that Indian Army does not have the capability to fight a war with Pakistan.

Could India's Military Really Crush Pakistan?
India's conventional military superiority over Pakistan is exaggerated.
Walter C. Ladwig III
July 2, 2015

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/cou ... stan-13247

I am disgusted and speechless. And then we display such hubris...........it is unbelievable.....

Let's apply the above mentioned non-delima to this situation. It is good for India that bakistani think that IA is week force. We are just waiting for any pretext to downsize Bakistan. On other hand if they think that IA is very strong,then good for us as well.

Samudragupta · Post by **Samudragupta** » 02 Jul 2015 18:24

The more important q about the article will be does Indian Military really wants to crush TSPA???? Why is that even after getting Lahore by the balls in 1965... India stopped the war? What was the political reason for this? Was it only the PA defenses????Why didn't IA crossed the western border in 1971 war??Why Cold Start was not applied even after 26/11 terrorist attack????Why Political class really does not wants a protracted conflict with the Pakistanis?...If we can know the answers of all these qs then only the article will make sense...otherwise its just another junk theatrics from the Al-Bartania....

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 02 Jul 2015 19:03

CRamS wrote:And with all due respect, your claim of hubris aside, we all know that India TSP military disparity is not like say US/Israel and their nemesis' disparity. Thats why from Vajpayee to MMS and now to ModiJi, nobody is attempting anything risky (in case of MMS he doesn't have the inclination to punish TSP, let alone attempt it.

I believe India can crush pakistan thoroughly in a conventional and non-conventional full-fledged war. Pakistan may have war equipments but they don't have war preparedness. Means they lack technique and reserve to sustain a long campaign. Besides I have serious doubts about moral of their army.

After 15th day of war, everyday is another nail in pakistan's coffin.

wig · Post by **wig** » 02 Jul 2015 19:04

12 die as train carrying army men falls into canal near Gujranwala
http://www.dawn.com/news/1191874/12-die ... gujranwala
but it appears from other news that 4 bogies went into the canal

At least 12 people, including four army officers, were killed when two bogies of a special train carrying army officials fell into a canal and two others were derailed as a railway bridge collapsed near Gujranwala on Thursday.

The deceased include Pakistan Army Engineering Battalion Unit Commander Lt. Col Amir Jadoon, his wife and two kids, Lt. Col Rashid, Major Adil, Lieutenant Kashif, Constable Aslam, Lance Naik Zafar and staffers Babar and Aslam.

wig · Post by **wig** » 02 Jul 2015 19:07

Sabotage suspected as Pakistan troop train plunges into canal
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 911864.cms

A train carrying hundreds of Pakistan soldiers and their families plunged several feet into a canal on Thursday when a bridge collapsed in the country's east in what the army suspects was sabotage, officials said.

At least six people were missing, but officials at the ministry of railways and the military had not confirmed any deaths. An army spokesman confirmed that four carriages plunged into the canal.

The military is fighting a Taliban insurgency in several regions of the country's tribal areas bordering Afghanistan in the northwest.

The crash in Pakistan's Gujranwala district, in the northeast, happened as an army unit was being transported from southern Sindh province to northern Pakistan.

"There were around 300 passengers on board," Minister for Railways Khawaja Saad Rafiq told Reuters. "It is too early to say about the reason for the mishap. Rescue work is under way."

More than 50 people were rescued, a military official said.

Television images of the scene showed several carriages partly submerged in the canal.

Rafiq told local Geo TV that six people were missing and the cause of the crash was unknown. But a senior military official said the army suspected sabotage.

"We suspect that this was an act of sabotage and the planks on the rail were tampered with," the official said, requesting anonymity as he was not authorised to speak to the media.

The collapse also raises concerns about the safety of infrastructure. Several TV channels reported that the bridge had been marked as "extremely dangerous".

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 02 Jul 2015 19:43

sanjaykumar wrote:he is saddened by the way Hindustanis treat Hindustanis, "verbal assault" he says.

It is part of the accepted order of things that the hierarchy in India condones and in fact expects verbal abuse of those lower down. It is obvious to a casual observer. A corollary is that a display of anger is taken as evidence of superior social standing. Speaks volumes of this society, so I need not say much more.

Suffice to relate that I have seen veterinarians in the west treat their clients with more esteem than physicians in India treat their poorer patients.

Give me the punch line, why do you say his optimism is misplaced?

Over half of Indians defecate in the open-it is premature to be thinking of world domination.

You are not necessarily wrong on your negative observations about India, but I don't know why you think they should stand in the way of world domination. History tells us that previous world-dominating powers such as England, Spain, Turkey etc., all had more than their share of ugliness and shabbiness in their societies.

It is to India's and the Indian people's unique credit that they make constant, earnest and vigorous efforts to better themselves. And when they talk of world domination, Indians have none of the parasitic and predatory intentions if former and existing world powers.

Your knee-jerk contempt for Indian aspirations is quite revealing.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 02 Jul 2015 20:15

Hilary e-mails show US struggling with Pakistan policy amid 'Ghandi' fiasco

For instance, soon after the UPA's government returning to power in the 2009 Lok Sabha election, Clinton aide Huma Abedin, also known as her constant shadow and ''body woman,'' alerts the then Secretary of State about the appointment of S.M.Krishna as India's External Affairs Minister. ''What do we know about him?'' Clinton asks in a reply email. ''Long time politico, was close to rajiv ghandi. III send his bio to oscar to print for you,'' Abedin responds.

Abedin, who was born in Michigan to mixed Indian-Pakistani parents (father from India; mother from Pakistan), is unable to nail the Gandhi spelling notwithstanding her sub-continental heritage and a degree from George Washington University. She later flags for Hillary Clinton's attention possible calls to India following the election results.

''On election calls, SCA is recommending calls to Congress Party head Sonia Ghandi, outgoing FM Mukherjee, and incoming FM Krishna. We also have a call sheet for Prime Minister Singh in case you want to call. Please let me know if u want to do these calls tomorrow,'' she writes. SCA stands for South Central Asia, the State Department bureau that deals with India.

Pakistan too figures in some of the emails, coming across as a major worry for U.S planners on account of its chronic instability due to its support for terror groups.

In fact, in one exchange, a long term strategy group that conducts simulations for U.S agencies on geo-political scenarios writes to Clinton outlining a possibility Pakistan breaking up. It proposed exploring ''The impact of a potential end of effective central government in Pakistan that leaves a Punjab state co-existing with a Baluch/Sindh state and an Afghanistan that expands to control the border regions now part of Pakistan.''

In a more elaborate note, former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger also writes to Clinton suggesting that the U.S target Pakistani military leaders who give support to Al Qaeda and its allies. No one even questions the premise that Pakistan is supporting terror groups.

''Assuming we have adequate intelligence, we can go after bank accounts, travel and other reachable assets of individual Pakistani officers, raising the stakes for those supporting the militants without creating an inordinate backlash,'' Berger writes in an October 4, 2009 e-mail to Hillary Clinton.

''Thanks, Sandy. This is very helpful,'' Clinton responds, without saying whether she intends to accept the suggestion.

On a lighter note, the emails also show Hillary Clinton is clueless about operating a fax machine and has to be walked though how to receive a fax by her aide Huma Abedin.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... s?from=mdr

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 Jul 2015 20:51

imo these sanctions are applied now and then to TSP elites to keep them in line but in private.

TSP elites have parked their extra money in dubai, america, canada and UK, none of which are off-limits from the gorilla's wrath. another pressure point is kids studying/settled there.