Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

vijaykarthik · Post by **vijaykarthik** » 20 Jun 2015 17:10

The meeting of Salman and Putin was about civil nuc energy cooperation [does Russia have a history of nuclear proliferation? I cant seem to remember any. Does anyone else?]

The other side story is that Russians showed lots of advanced weaponry.

Looks like this is KSA's reaction to the impending Iran nuc deal. Going its own way and doing things in its own self interest seems to be the moral [there is a lot of improvement in reln bet Israel and KSA too]

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 22 Jun 2015 11:04

Russian Security Council secretary says US engineered state coup in Ukraine for $5 bln

MOSCOW, June 22. /TASS/. The United States was behind the state coup in Ukraine having spent five billion U.S. dollars for these purposes, Russian Security Council secretary Nikolai Patrushev said in an interview with the Kommersant newspaper published on Monday.

"The change of power [in Ukraine] prompted those events that took place there. [U.S. Secretary of State John] Kerry has an assistant - [Victoria] Nuland, who said the United States spent five billion U.S. dollars to arrange those events," he said.

He said it was absolutely clear that behind the "destabilization project in Ukraine was an attempt to create an instrument to weaken Russia dramatically." "Concurrently, they are seeking to solve the task of keeping the European Union countries on a short leash by imposing anti-Russian sanctions and approaches on them, ignoring their national interests," Patrushev said.

According to the Russian Security Council, the United States, which loathed Ukraine’s former President Viktor Yanukovich, "decided to topple him by force."

"It was a political mistake," he said. "If they had waited a little bit, they would have been able to install people they like by legal means. But they engineered this coup instead. There would have been no developments in Crimea and eastern Ukraine if there were no coup."

Patrushev stressed that Yanukovich had postponed the signing of an association agreement with the European Union not because he had been pressed to do that by Moscow. "He simply came to realize that he overlooked what its implementation was fraught with. Ukraine is member of the free trade zone of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) and the consequences of this step were explained to Yanukovich. He had not reckoned with them before, so he decided to take a timeout to scrutinize the details," he said.

To blame Russia for the Ukrainian development, in his words, is to confuse the cause and the consequence. "It’s like to say that the wind is blowing because trees are swinging," he added.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 24 Jun 2015 16:21

This Is How Russia Will Cut Out Ukraine

Bhurishrava · Post by **Bhurishrava** » 24 Jun 2015 18:03

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/06/2 ... W620150623

Ukraine appeals to EU over 'illegal' Gazprom-Slovak pipeline contract

Ukraine does not want Russian gas from russia but will raise hell to get Russian gas through reverse flow. Funny state.

vijaykarthik · Post by **vijaykarthik** » 25 Jun 2015 20:22

^ thats because they can shamelessly pilfer... which is why Russia is looking at Turkish stream, was looking at the South Stream through Bulgaria (which got postponed / shelved) and also the various ways they are looking at. Eventually by 2017, Russia would like to move out of Ukraine and look at other options except that the 3rd energy pkg and the regulations seem to be a bottleneck for now.

Bhurishrava · Post by **Bhurishrava** » 25 Jun 2015 23:50

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... y-ibbnk177
Ukraine could default in July.
Or in September -
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 806080.cms

Meanwhile Russia is turning the screws - No gas discount for Ukraine
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/ ... 24367.html

vijaykarthik · Post by **vijaykarthik** » 26 Jun 2015 06:10

this was a little something that I liked reading a few days back: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-2 ... line-waltz

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 28 Jun 2015 09:06

Shelling can get quite intense.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 28 Jun 2015 10:40

vijaykarthik wrote:this was a little something that I liked reading a few days back: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-2 ... line-waltz

Russia is working on using the fault-lines in Europe to divide it and decrease its effectiveness for US/NATO
This is the great divide of the west which is happening in front of our eyes

Had a talk with somebody who goes to Europe every year for the past 30 years.
he is not confident that Europe will be same as before and EU may not survive

Bhurishrava · Post by **Bhurishrava** » 28 Jun 2015 15:58

http://www.eurasianet.org/node/73586

Russian Troops In Transnistria Squeezed By Ukraine And Moldova

vijaykarthik · Post by **vijaykarthik** » 28 Jun 2015 17:02

EU has a lot of problems currently but the most important ones [not in any particular order]

a. Decide how far they can go as a monetary union. Allow Greece to fail or not. If they shore up Greece [which is atleast possible] what happens when Spain / Italy / Portgal comes hat in hand? But what happens if they allow Greece to fail --> leads to default which means out of the Eurozone ideally. Will that mean out of EU too? [The aspect here isn't clear and doesn't look like EU is ready to pay the pol cost for this. It doesn't appear as if they have thought through it well]

b. What exactly is a nation state and how much power does it have. Does the nation have power overs its borders? How inviolable are they? [ukraine for eg]. Who defines what counts and what doesn't - lots of talk on pros and cons of immigration, free trade zone and free movement of goods and men through [but not for immigration?]

c. What really happens when the other Greeces come out in the open. France has a far right party (Le Pen) too and she's polling second currently. Ditto with Spain [3rd pop party is Podemos, think]. Even if Greece is somehow shored up, the questions still remain. Being a viable option is a very difficult task.

Germany sometimes needs to realize that they can't have all the good things and somehow ignore the bad things of the zone. If you are united, you are united for better or worse. Unless that aspect is clear and people are ready to move ahead, they can't move much. Besides, they will need a super federation of all nation states - a neutral body which can act like the centre does in India or the fed govt does in the US. --> This will be next to impossible in a place like europe.

It does look like the guys want Greece to default now. [I still can't get the finer print though. Its almost impossible that EU is ready to pay the political cost of an imploding Greece. We should know in a few weeks]

vijaykarthik · Post by **vijaykarthik** » 29 Jun 2015 11:10

A brilliant article, IMO. Explains what the Greece crisis can [and WILL, IMO] bring in to the table if its allowed to go all the way:

http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... evo-moment

As the article rightly says, politics has been allowed to ride over competent economics. And that's the biggest flaw in the policy. That leads to more questions and since its EU, there are no clear answers.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 29 Jun 2015 11:17

The main challenge which Eurothurds are not even seeing is to have a life of their own beyond Khan. Unless they start a life of their own, they are not going to out of problems. The present problem with Russia was created by Khan and their drama armies are getting killed because they were sent as per the requirements of Khan.

But I guess they are all happy to be munnas and not men (or women).

Bhurishrava · Post by **Bhurishrava** » 29 Jun 2015 22:54

http://rt.com/business/270475-russian-g ... e-ukraine/

Although Russia cannot provide Ukraine with the same discount on gas, the new price corresponds to the prices set for neighboring countries, including Poland, he said.

Bhurishrava · Post by **Bhurishrava** » 29 Jun 2015 23:01

Dunno if this has been posted before but here Zakharchenko is giving it good to some Ukbapzi supporting fellow.
Nice aggression. Zakharchenko is the man.
Amazingly cool.

vijaykarthik · Post by **vijaykarthik** » 30 Jun 2015 07:42

Another good link: http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenblitz ... ederation/

Though I tend to agree with the author with the economic aspect, I am not sure I am taking his conclusion from granted. IMO, there is no clear guarantee that the Greeks will remain in the Eurozone. [However, as I mentioned earlier; it isn't clear that the Europeans will be willing to pay the political cost. We should know in about 24 hours. If Greece doesn't pay IMF today and nothing happens, it surely moves into technical default territory?]

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 30 Jun 2015 08:51

Ramanaji,

Take a look at this. Russian-German alliance is coming.

vijaykarthik · Post by **vijaykarthik** » 01 Jul 2015 07:10

gas prices talks have failed and reached an impasse. Ukies have stopped buying gas from Ruskies.

However, I think the pilfering activity is still going on.

vijaykarthik · Post by **vijaykarthik** » 01 Jul 2015 07:23

Are we seeing Armenia getting into the act now?

According to the protest leaders, the rallies are not anti-Russian in nature and the main demand of the people is a reversal to the government’s power price decision. President Sargsyan seemed have backed down after he told senior officials on 26 June that the government will cover the difference between the old and the new price with budget subsidies until the end of a comprehensive audit of the ENA’s activities.

Protesters, however, seem determined to stay on the streets. Deep-seated mistrust in the government’s ability to implement reforms could trigger an impulse for a regime change. This is the biggest fear in Moscow, which sees the current Armenian government as an important ally in its natural backyard. Russia has been able to preserve its influence in the small Caucasian state by expanding its control over key economic sectors. This was done by recruiting senior government officials, who used Russia’s influence to limit outside competition and preserve the dominant position of Russian companies in the energy sector.

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If there is a change of guard in Yerevan, the established connections that have served Moscow so well, could crumble. Not surprisingly, similar to the aftermath of Ukraine’s Maidan rally in early 2014, Moscow’s propaganda has presented the street protests in Yerevan as a Western plot to contain Russia’s influence.

Bhurishrava · Post by **Bhurishrava** » 02 Jul 2015 15:52

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2 ... -sea-pearl

Bombngs in Odessa. Not to harm. Just to make an impression.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 02 Jul 2015 18:36

In European astrology,this is the "Year of the PIGS" (Portugal,Ireland,Greece,Spain) ! The choco soldiers in the UKR must be looking on with great dismay at the "Fall of the European Empire".It will make a great farcical film. poor UKR,who will bail it out now?

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 02 Jul 2015 22:59

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vijaykarthik · Post by **vijaykarthik** » 03 Jul 2015 13:31

The assumption in EU currently is roughly this. If possible Greece could be kicked out for its "excesses" as a punishment / penalty so the rest of people (read Spain, Italy and scores of others) can see the futility of opposing the troika / challenging their views.

However, did they think of what could potentially happen if Greece a. votes no b. as predicted has a sharp recession and invariable devalues c. comes back quickly and recovers smartly.

--> this will be a catalyst for other countries to move since they have proof of a success story in Greece. And what then? EU is fast teetering towards the demolition zone. AFAIK and tell, there is no way Greece wont improve once its out of the Eurozone. (Even with supremely bad economic mismanagement Greece could likely postpone the recovery but not shut it out)

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 03 Jul 2015 13:48

US accusations that Russia is not respecting its neighbours' sovereignty are 'confrontational', says Moscow
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 62276.html

Kashmira Gander
Thursday 02 July 2015

Russia has accused the US of adopting “confrontational” tactics, after the Pentagon updated its military strategy on Moscow amid the on-going crisis in Ukraine.

Tensions between Russia and western powers have reached their lowest point since the end of the Cold War, partly because of the pro-Russian rebellion in eastern Ukraine.

Moscow has said Washington risks setting back efforts to improve already deteriorating relations after the Pentagon updated the US National Military Strategy on Russia to consider its role in the bloody conflict which has killed over 6,400 people, according to the UN.

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The document published on Wednesday credited Russia for contributing to maintaining global security by fighting the narcotics trade and terrorism.

However, Moscow also “repeatedly demonstrated that it does not respect the sovereignty of its neighbours and it is willing to use force to achieve its goals”, according to the US body.

The document went on: “Russia's military actions are undermining regional security directly and through proxy forces."

Nevertheless, the military strategy maintained that Washington wanted to engage with Russia in areas of common interest.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov responded to the strategy change in a conference call with reporters.

“The use of such language in this document points, shall we say, to what is probably a confrontational attitude devoid of any objectivity towards our country,” he said.

Mirroring calls for the US and Russia to co-operate on global matters, he added: “Of course this will hardly contribute to attempts to steer bilateral relations in the direction of normalisation.”

In the wake of Russia’s seizure of the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine last year, the US and the European Union have imposed sanctions on Russia.

World leaders have also accused Russia of supplying pro-Russian separatists in east Ukraine with weapons and soldiers – charges Moscow denies.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 03 Jul 2015 17:40

Bhurishrava wrote:Dunno if this has been posted before but here Zakharchenko is giving it good to some Ukbapzi supporting fellow.
Nice aggression. Zakharchenko is the man.
Amazingly cool.

Can you please explain how is a PM of a supposed opponent arguing with Ukbapzi commander? Who are the guys stopping the "PM "? This war seems like fighting between groups of soldiers who know each other.

Bhurishrava · Post by **Bhurishrava** » 08 Jul 2015 14:51

The video doesnt look fake to me. Perhaps an Ukbapzi supporter from rebel controlled area. Zakharchenko calls him a traitor..

Meanwhile -
http://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-retreat ... eal-351077
Russian rebels have withdrawn from Shyrokyne.

And after the Nazis, islamists too fighting against Russian rebels.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/08/world ... .html?_r=0

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 09 Jul 2015 06:30

^^^ Islamists in the fight is bad news in the long term. From that NYTimes link:

“We like to fight the Russians,” said the Chechen, who refused to give his real name. “We always fight the Russians.”

He commands one of three volunteer Islamic battalions out of about 30 volunteer units in total fighting now in eastern Ukraine. The Islamic battalions are deployed to the hottest zones, which is why the Chechen was here.
...

The Chechen commands the Sheikh Mansur group, named for an 18th-century Chechen resistance figure. It is subordinate to the nationalist Right Sector, a Ukrainian militia.

Neither the Sheikh Mansur group nor Right Sector is incorporated into the formal police or military, and the Ukrainian authorities decline to say how many Chechens are fighting in eastern Ukraine. They are all unpaid.

....
Since the Afghan war of the 1980s, Moscow has accused the United States of encouraging Islamic militants to fight Russia along its vulnerable southern rim, a policy that could deftly solve two problems — containing Russia and distracting militants from the United States. The Chechen leader, Ramzan Kadyrov, has accused the Western-backed Georgian government of infiltrating Islamic radicals into the North Caucasus, though he has not offered proof.

In Ukraine, the Dzhokhar Dudayev and Sheikh Mansur units are mostly Chechen, but they include Muslims from other former Soviet areas, such as Uzbeks and Balkars. The third unit, Crimea, is predominantly Crimean Tatar. There is no indication of any United States involvement with the groups.

...
The Chechens, by all accounts, are valuable soldiers. Ukrainian commanders lionize their skills as scouts and snipers, saying they slip into no-man’s land to patrol and skirmish.

The Chechens are also renowned for their deft ambushes and raids. In the Chechen wars, insurgents had a policy of killing officers and contract soldiers who were taken prisoner, but conscripted soldiers were spared.

In Ukraine, the Chechens’ calls of “Allahu akbar,” or “God is great,” are said to strike fear in the hearts of the Russians.

In the interview, the Chechen commander said his men liked to fight with little protective gear. “This is the way we look at it,” he said. “We believe in God, so we don’t need armored vests.”

...
The French authorities, on edge over Islamic extremism in immigrant communities, detained two members of the Sheikh Mansur battalion this year on accusations of belonging to the extremist group Islamic State, the Chechen said. He denied that the two were members of the group.

a. Who is paying their expenses?
b. Doesn't every such war end with a horde of battle-hardened jihadis ready to go and fight jihad elsewhere in the world?
c. Prediction: eventually some Chechens will be hired by Pakistan to fight India (if they've not been hired already).

Bhurishrava · Post by **Bhurishrava** » 10 Jul 2015 15:26

http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-offers-hu ... 01811.html

Ukraine offers huge state firms to foreign investors

First the corrupt leaders sold firms to Oligarchs. Now they plan to sell it to foreigners. Amazing.

Bhurishrava · Post by **Bhurishrava** » 10 Jul 2015 15:51

http://radaprogram.org/en/content/hryts ... jority-mps

The unprecedented Verkhovna Rada majority of 340 MPs voted to appoint Vasyl Hrytsak the Head of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU).Hrytsak, a career SBU officer, was the acting chief of the Security Service after the parliament dismissed his predecessor, Valentyn Nalyvaychenko.

According to Hrytsak’s income declaration, he owns a 94.9 square meter apartment in Kyiv, a Toyota Land Cruiser and a Harley-Davidson Sportster xL-1200 motorcycle . His family members have a Land Rover, a Volkswagen LT, a Volkswagen Caddy, a Mercedes-Benz Sprinter, a 79-square-meter apartment in Kyiv and a 413 square meter house in Kyiv Oblast.

https://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyiv-p ... 92569.html

Amazing.

Bhurishrava · Post by **Bhurishrava** » 12 Jul 2015 16:01

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/07/12 ... orts-club/

At least 2 killed in attack at Ukraine sports club

A Right Sector statement reported by Ukrainian news media said two of the militia's members had been killed. But Gerashchenko said three were killed and that three policemen and four civilians were wounded. He also said the attackers destroyed two police cars with grenade launchers.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 12 Jul 2015 23:05

Ha!Ha! The fascists are now fighting between themselves,just as it was in Nazi Germany at the start of the Third Reich.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... raine.html
Ukrainian forces surround nationalist militia following deadly attack in western Ukraine

An armed standoff between government forces and the group entered its second day after a confrontation between Pravy Sektor and men loyal to a local MP critical of the group turned violent

By Roland Oliphant, Moscow
12 Jul 2015

A standoff was under way between government forces and members of the far-Right paramilitary group Pravy Sektor (Right Sector) on Sunday after the militia reportedly launched a gun and grenade attack in a western Ukrainian town and later demanded the resignation of the country's interior minister.

Army troops and police surrounded Pravy Sektor's bases in the area following the battle in the town of Mukachevo on Saturday, which appeared to have erupted after its fighters confronted men loyal to a local MP critical of the group.

At least two Pravy Sektor fighters were killed and seven people injured in the fighting, which also saw two police cars destroyed by grenade launchers.

An unknown number of Pravy Sektor fighters were still believed to be hiding in countryside near the town, close to the Polish and Hungarian borders, on Sunday evening.

Dmitro Yarosh, the head of the far-Right group, flew into the town on Sunday to negotiate an end to the stand off.

Mr Yarosh said in a conciliatory statement on his Facebook page that he would “promote an objective and impartial investigation” into the gun battle in order to avoid “the danger of destroying Ukraine as a unified state”.

Supporters and members of the Right Sector party attend a rally in front of the regional Interior Ministry building in Mariupol (EPA)

But he went on to issue a string of demands, including the arrest of Mikhail Lano, the member of parliament who openly opposes the group, and the resignation of Arsen Avakov, Ukraine’s interior minister, along with the entire leadership of the regional police force.

Mr Yarosh was engaged in direct negotiations with Petro Poroshenko, the Ukrainian president, and the head of the SBU, Ukraine's interior security service, on Sunday evening. Officials have called on the group to surrender or face arrest.

Government special forces reportedly postponed a planned assault on the surrounded fighters on Saturday night to allow negotiations to take place.

But as tensions grew on Sunday, Pravy Sektor said its bases in western Ukraine had been “blockaded” by police and government troops.

The precise origins of the violence were unclear on Sunday, as were the details of the standoff.

Andrei Tarasenko, a deputy leader of the group, said the Pravy Sektor fighters involved in Saturday's incident were now "in the mountains".

"I can't tell you how many of them are there, we have lost contact," he told Kiev-based Hromadske television. But another spokesman, Artem Skoropadsky, said the fighters were camped out in a forest and did not intend to surrender.

Another Pravy Sektor leader said the group had established a checkpoint on a main road outside Kiev in order to prevent security services from being sent west to hunt the fugitives.

Pravy Sektor said its men were attempting to disarm an “illegal armed formation” loyal to Mr Lano, who in turn claimed the violence broke out when members met with him to ask for help arranging sanatorium stays for men injured in the eastern conflict zone.

Police officers blocks the traffic near the western Ukrainian city of Mukachevo (AP)

But Mustafa Nayyem, a Ukrainian MP and investigative journalist who arrived on the scene on Saturday, said the violence was sparked by dispute over control of the contraband cigarette trade.

Citing local residents, Mr Nayyem said “all sides in the conflict” had been involved in a profitable cigarette smuggling business that sees between three and five lorries pass through the region’s border crossings en-route to Germany and Italy each week.

Pravy Sektor, which formed as an alliance of street-fighting nationalist groups, rose to prominence during the Maidan protests of 2013 and 2014.

The group played a prominent role in the February 2014 revolution and has since fought alongside government troops against Russian-backed rebels in east Ukraine.

Along with several other volunteer battalions, its members have played a crucial role in the war effort.

But their increasing power and influence has stoked fears that they could one day challenge the authority of the state itself.

Many members of volunteer battalions fighting in the east have openly criticised Mr Poroshenko’s government, and some have called to “finish the revolution” in Kiev once the war in the east is over.

Russia has bitterly criticised Mr Poroshenko's government for its tolerance of and cooperation with the group, and regularly cites Pravy Sektor as evidence that the postrevolutionary government in Kiev is dominated by fascists.

The Russian foreign ministry's envoy for human rights, Konstantin Dolgov, renewed that criticism amid the standoff. "Pravy Sektor has again shown its bandit face in Mukachevo. In Kiev, they don't want to break with neo-Nazis," he wrote on Twitter.

A member of Mr Poroshenko's parliamentary bloc, Irina Friz, meanwhile said on Facebook: "I don't exclude the presence of Russian traces in the incident ... as this region is in the zone of interest for Russian special services."

Around 200 supporters of Pravy Sektor, many in military dress, gathered in front of the presidential offices in Kiev as the standoff unfolded.

Two of the most powerful volunteer battalions involved in the war against Russia-backed rebels in east Ukraine have spoken out in support of Pravy Sektor.

In separate statements, the Donbass and Azov battalions called for the situation in Mukachevo to be resolved “without use of force”.

Multatuli · Post by **Multatuli** » 13 Jul 2015 23:10

Poroshenko faces new security crisis in western Ukraine

President Petro Poroshenko confronted a fresh crisis Monday as a deadly standoff continued between interior ministry units and armed Ukrainian ultranationalists in a western enclave near Hungary.

...

The weekend battles were sparked by Pravy Sektor's self-proclaimed attempt to prevent Hungary and Slovakia from being flooded with any more contraband cigarettes that have already enriched local Ukrainian politicians and their security overlords.

Pravy Sektor reported the death of two of its members in a shootout with what appeared to be a mixture of security personnel and armed local thugs.

The interior ministry -- which backed up troops with armoured personnel carriers and military trucks -- said one civilian had also died in circumstances that were unclear.

The battle broke out after a dozen or so Pravy Sektor members came to what was meant to be a round of negotiations equipped with grenade launchers and machine guns.

...

The gun battle erupted in Zakarpattia, a region of 1.3 million people that is split from the rest of Ukraine by the Carpathian Mountains and has ancient cultural ties to Hungary.

The rural province developed a history of voting for parties backed by Russia because many of its residents also mistrust the Ukrainian nationalists.

Many Zakarpattia residents carry Hungarian passports and have few political links to either Moscow or Kiev.

The Ukrainian government's near silence on the crisis was broken Monday when Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk appeared to come out on Pravy Sektor's side.

Yatsenyuk has issued orders "to dismiss all Zakarpattia customs service employees", his office said in a statement.

"In addition, Arseniy Yatsenyuk instructed the interior ministry to conduct a fact-finding inquiry into contraband and abuse of power by the Zakarpattian customs service."

But a senior Ukrainian security service source told AFP that Pravy Sektor was far less innocent than it claimed.

Pravy Sektor "itself is trying to win a piece of the contraband business", the security source said.

https://news.yahoo.com/poroshenko-faces ... 13671.html

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 18 Jul 2015 16:36

Nuland promises more cost to Russia

US Prepares to Put More Pressure on Russia, Threatens ‘Scaling Up Costs’

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 22 Jul 2015 10:40

The UKR in sh*t street again. The neo-Nazis are being supported by vested interests who want the UKR to be permanently on the boil. Is the Choco soldier "melting" in the heat?

Thousands of Ukraine ultranationalists gather on Maidan, announce ‘new revolution’
Published time: 21 Jul, 2015

Up to 6,000 supporters of Ukraine’s ultranationalist Right Sector movement gathered in central Kiev on Tuesday, calling on authorities to resign. The rally marks a “new stage of Ukrainian revolution,” the extremists' leader Dmitry Yarosh announced.

The radicals marched through the center of the Ukrainian capital on Tuesday evening, gathering on Maidan (Independence Square). The rally largely consisted of people wearing camouflage clothes, waving the red and black flags of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA). They were chanting “death to enemies,” TASS reported.

Speaking on Maidan, Right Sector (Pravy Sektor) leader Dmitry Yarosh said that the group is “showing that we are a disciplined revolutionary force,” opening a “new stage of Ukrainian revolution” with the Tuesday rally.

Ahead of the rally, Yarosh has said that the gathering would be “peaceful” in nature.
READ MORE: Poroshenko orders all illegal arms group disarmed in Ukraine amid standoff with Right Sector

The ultranationalist group announced its plans to initiate a referendum on a vote of no-confidence in the Ukrainian authorities. At the rally, protesters demanded the resignation of Ukraine's Interior Minister Arsen Avakov.

Field offices will be organized in all regions of Ukraine to work on the referendum starting from Wednesday, Yarosh announced at the rally, saying that those Right Sector centers will also act as “revolutionary committees.” Imposing martial law on the territory of Ukraine should also be put on the vote, he said.

“People must voice their attitude to what's happening in the country ... the government should know that if the people are not pleased with it, then it must go,” Yarosh said, as quoted by TASS. If the movement is not given the right to organize the referendum, then they will create their own election committee and “will vote independently on the whole territory of Ukraine,” he added.

READ MORE: Show of power: Right Sector nationalists ready to send ‘19 battalions’ to Kiev

Average working people also joined the Tuesday rally, being displeased with poor living standards in the country under the Poroshenko government, RT's correspondent Murad Gazdiev reported from Ukraine.

"Ukraine is in absolutely terrible state at the moment, the economic situation is much worse than it was two years ago under Yanukovich," journalist and broadcaster from London Neil Clark told RT. "It's quite predictable" that people have taken to the streets, he added.

"The situation is going to get worse, because ordinary people are saying ‘what was all that about?’” Clark said, adding that ultranationalists might contribute to destabilizing the situation, as President Poroshenko is now "attacking the very people who helped bring him to power."

READ MORE: Poroshenko signs laws praising Ukraine nationalists as ‘freedom fighters’

Right Sector radicals participated in Ukraine's previous revolution, and have since been fighting in the in eastern Ukraine conflict. The heavily-armed battalions, who have previously denounced the Minsk ceasefire, made calls "to blockade Donbass" during the Tuesday rally.

On Sunday, the Ukrainian capital saw a large march of approximately 2,000 people who took to the streets of Kiev to protest high housing and public utilities prices. Some of the Sunday march banners read "where are the reforms?" and "we are dying of hunger." A similar rally happened in the city of Dnepropetrovsk in central Ukraine, where dozens of demonstrators, mainly people of older age, blocked one of the roads in the city, demanding the resignation of President Poroshenko.

Bhurishrava · Post by **Bhurishrava** » 23 Jul 2015 23:49

Regarding the debt crisis - Ukraine is to pay $120 million tomorrow.
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/df8f6118 ... z3gjzDQTeq
23 % decline in GDP and debt to GDP ratio has rocketed to 158%.

Talks that were supposed to take place between creditors and Ukraine on 22nd didnt.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/07/2 ... W620150723

Meanwhile situation of Ukrainians is getting realy bad. Pensioners cant live off the money they are getting.
Nice article on the whole Ukrainian tragedy.
http://observer.com/2015/07/ukraine-spi ... f-default/

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 24 Jul 2015 13:06

The UKR is in meltdown.With the Crisis in Greece consuming the EU and other poorer EU nations who will now want their own bailouts,the EU will be least interested in the UKR.The US will have to carry the can and it is highly unlikely that Uncle O will pay more than lip service,seeing that he now wants to cement his legacy with some achievements like those in recent days with Iran and Cuba. If he manages to engineer some kind of deal with Putin,and get him to cooperate in taming ISIS,then poor old Poro and his Sancho Panza,Shaky-Willy,will be at the mercy of the Right Sector baying for Poro's blood.

vijaykarthik · Post by **vijaykarthik** » 24 Jul 2015 14:51

Looks like Nuland and Russian honchos will discuss reg Ukraine sometime. I wonder if this is linked to the Greece dev too. Looks like 2 things have happ:

a. Nuland has discreetly pushed for special status for the E Ukraine rebel held areas.
b. Chocolate doesn't mind asking for a DMZ [Eh? Doesn't that mean it becomes like SK/NK / Pok etc. That doesn't hold up well with his state aim to getting back all rebel held territory?]

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 25 Jul 2015 10:19

Chocolate is a puppet in Nuland's hands. He is only the chief of local skimmers and knows that he is in his role only as long as he kisses Unkil's butt.

The rest is rhetoric is keep ukranians under control.

Bhurishrava · Post by **Bhurishrava** » 25 Jul 2015 14:48

http://www.ibtimes.com/ukraine-russia-c ... ed-2024074
Ukraine has placed thousands of troops on Transniestria border.

Meanwhile Ukraine has banned communist parties from contesting elections.
http://www.euronews.com/2015/07/24/ukra ... elections/

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 26 Jul 2015 00:04

Bhurishrava wrote:
Meanwhile Ukraine has banned communist parties from contesting elections.
http://www.euronews.com/2015/07/24/ukra ... elections/

Democracy by Unkil in its finest form - You should have all the democracy we want, as long as only my puppet can stand in elections.