Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10, 2015

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 12 Jul 2015 13:14

Pukistan is leader of umrah. Why then is pukistan not helping Muslim refugees from China. Turkey is,

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/93607210-285c ... 7bdb7.html

China points finger at Turkey after Uighur repatriation

"China has accused Turkish diplomats of providing fake passports to members of the Muslim Uighur minority attempting to flee overseas, saying they then go on to become “cannon fodder” for jihadist groups in Syria and Iraq.

The accusations follow the forced repatriation to China of Uighurs from jungle camps in Thailand last week, which triggered violent protests in Turkey. Thailand returned 109 Uighurs out of about 400 who were discovered last year in people smuggling camps in its southern jungles, in their attempt to flee China for refuge in Turkey. The week before, Turkey agreed to take 173 of the Uighurs, many of them women and small children."

arun · Post by **arun** » 12 Jul 2015 13:28

arun wrote:Climbdown by the Modi Government. Talks upgraded from Foreign Secretary level in Multilateral SAARC related format to National Security Adviser level in Bilateral format with opportunity to the terrorism fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan to talk of Indian fomented terrorism involving Baloch, Mohajir and Pathan Taliban.

Statement read out by Foreign Secretaries of India and Pakistan in Ufa, Russia (July 10, 2015)

July 10, 2015

The Prime Ministers of Pakistan and India met today on the sidelines of the SCO Summit in Ufa.The meeting was held in a cordial atmosphere.The two leaders exchanged views on issues of bilateral and regional interest.

They agreed that India and Pakistan have a collective responsibility to ensure peace and promote development.To do so, they are prepared to discuss all outstanding issues.

Both leaders condemned terrorism in all its forms and agreed to cooperate with each other to eliminate this menace from South Asia.

They also agreed on the following steps to be taken by the two sides:

1.A meeting in New Delhi between the two NSAs to discuss all issues connected to terrorism.
2.Early meetings of DG BSF and DG Pakistan Rangers followed by that of DGMOs.
3.Decision for release of fishermen in each other’s custody, along with their boats, within a period of 15 days.
4.Mechanism for facilitating religious tourism.
5.Both sides agreed to discuss ways and means to expedite the Mumbai case trial, including additional information like providing voice samples.

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif reiterated his invitation to Prime Minister Modi to visit Pakistan for the SAARC Summit in 2016.Prime Minister Modi accepted the invitation.

Ufa, Russia
July 10, 2015

Clicky

There goes agenda item 5 on voice samples.

Our NSA Ajit Doval, as I said before, should steel himself to hear lots about Indian fomented terrorism involving Baloch, Mohajir and Pathan Taliban, not to mention alleged Hindu Terrorism in Samjhauta Express bombing under agenda item 1 as with no distraction of item 5 lots of time can be devoted to item 1:

26/11 probe: Lakhvi won't give voice sample, says his Pak lawyer

partha · Post by **partha** » 12 Jul 2015 13:41

Interesting things:

1) Govt is highlighting the fact that Kashmir was not mentioned. A tiny victory for India, a giant takleef for Pakistan. Govt advertising it will rile up the khakis and opposition in Pakistan. It may widen the already wide civil-military gap. GoI is trying to exploit it. So it looks like Modi govt has a plan viz a viz Pakistan. More time should be given before criticizing.

2) Ajit Doval giving a statement to NDTV

Probably so that Pakis don't miss it.

member_29112 · Post by **member_29112** » 12 Jul 2015 14:08

[Slightly OT]
Why has Turkey been spared? It has played a huge role in the rise of ISIS. Anyone wishing to join ISIS just has to fly to Turkey and then they make it happen.
Why have there been no sanctions? Or did I miss it?

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 12 Jul 2015 14:56

Engaging with Pakistan: Modi sends strong message by fielding Doval instead of MEA to deal with Islamabad

But unlike Mishra, Doval is fully involved in every major policies and decisions of the two premier civil intelligence agencies, Intelligence Bureau (IB) and Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) as well as Military Intelligence (MI). Thus Doval's clout extends not only to PMO but also to crucial ministries like home and defence and now in a big way to the MEA as well.

It is this political and administrative heft of Doval that will make this novel experiment of holding NSA-level talks with Pakistan all the more interesting and a higher chance of success. This is the first time when India and Pakistan will be having formal talks at the NSA level.

The real purpose behind having a new institutionalized mechanism of NSA-level talks with Pakistan is to sift everything from the security and intelligence perspective.

The Modi government has conveyed lot of things with this move. First and foremost, it conveys that India's engagement with Pakistan will be through the security and intelligence prism. After all, that has been the most important area and a tipping point for all governments in India all these decades.

It conveys that the usual diplomatic channel is not enough in dealing with a difficult neighbor like Pakistan.

Now, the Modi government fielded the most hated man in Pakistan – Doval – for holding talks. The Modi government's decision also conveys that Pakistan will first have to climb the Doval wall before Modi calibrates his Pakistan policy in view of his possible maiden visit to Pakistan next year for SAARC summit.

If even this route does not succeed with Pakistan, nothing else will.

arun · Post by **arun** » 12 Jul 2015 15:46

arun wrote:
arun wrote:Statement read out by Foreign Secretaries of India and Pakistan in Ufa, Russia (July 10, 2015)

July 10, 2015

The Prime Ministers of Pakistan and India met today on the sidelines of the SCO Summit in Ufa.The meeting was held in a cordial atmosphere.The two leaders exchanged views on issues of bilateral and regional interest.

They agreed that India and Pakistan have a collective responsibility to ensure peace and promote development.To do so, they are prepared to discuss all outstanding issues.

Both leaders condemned terrorism in all its forms and agreed to cooperate with each other to eliminate this menace from South Asia.

They also agreed on the following steps to be taken by the two sides:

1.A meeting in New Delhi between the two NSAs to discuss all issues connected to terrorism.
2.Early meetings of DG BSF and DG Pakistan Rangers followed by that of DGMOs.
3.Decision for release of fishermen in each other’s custody, along with their boats, within a period of 15 days.
4.Mechanism for facilitating religious tourism.
5.Both sides agreed to discuss ways and means to expedite the Mumbai case trial, including additional information like providing voice samples.

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif reiterated his invitation to Prime Minister Modi to visit Pakistan for the SAARC Summit in 2016.Prime Minister Modi accepted the invitation.

Ufa, Russia
July 10, 2015

Clicky
There goes agenda item 5 on voice samples.

Our NSA Ajit Doval, as I said before, should steel himself to hear lots about Indian fomented terrorism involving Baloch, Mohajir and Pathan Taliban, not to mention alleged Hindu Terrorism in Samjhauta Express bombing under agenda item 1 as with no distraction of item 5 lots of time can be devoted to item 1:

26/11 probe: Lakhvi won't give voice sample, says his Pak lawyer

After the burial of agenda item 5 on voice samples by the Defence Lawyers, the Government of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan goes back on its own commitment via a comment of the Prosecutor.

Our NSA Ajit Doval, as I said before, should steel himself to hear lots about Indian fomented terrorism involving Baloch, Mohajir and Pathan Taliban, not to mention alleged Hindu Terrorism in Samjhauta Express bombing under agenda item 1 as with no distraction of item 5 lots of time can be devoted to item 1:

Pakistan’s double standard: No fresh plea for Lakhvi’s voice sample : His remarks comes just two days after Modi and Sharif in Russia agreed to discuss ways and means to expedite the Mumbai case trial (in Pakistan), including additional information like providing voice samples.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 12 Jul 2015 15:59

Another Cwapistani Disaster :

Another rental power? - Dr Farrukh Saleem

Capital suggestion

2006: Under the Musharraf government ABN AMRO/Poten & Partners were tasked to undertake a ‘Marine Facilities Assessment’ for an ‘SSGC Integrated LNG Import Project’. The ‘Marine Facilities Assessment’ report made it clear to the Musharraf government that in order to bring in Qatari Qflex and Qmax LNG ships the required minimum dredge depth had to be 14 meters. The ABN AMRO report also informed the government that a channel width of 250 meters and 275 meters would be required for the Qflex and Qmax vessels.

2014: On April 30, the Sui Southern Gas Company (SSGC) signed a $1.5 billion, 15 year re-gasification agreement with Elengy Terminal Pakistan Limited (which is a subsidiary of Engro Corporation Limited). The agreement stipulates a fixed capacity charge of $272,479 per day (Year 1) to be paid by SSGC to Elengy Terminal Pakistan Limited.

The agreement further stipulates that the ‘terminal will be for tolling services having a capacity of 200 million cubic feet of gas per day (mmcfd) in year-1 and 400 mmcfd from year-2 till the end of the contact term of 15 years’.

2015: The Port Qasim Authority issued a ‘PQA Notice to Mariner No 73/2015’ announcing that the permissible draught for LNG-1 is 12 meters.

Lo and behold, SSGC has signed a $1.5 billion, 15-year re-gasification agreement with Elengy Terminal Pakistan Limited. Lo and behold, Qatari Qflex and Qmax LNG ships require a minimum dredge depth of 14 meters. Badly stuck, here’s SSGC’s stroke of genius: If Qatari Qflex and Qmax LNG ships cannot enter our channels we will send the FSRU (floating storage & re-gasification unit) out into the open seas to fetch back LNG.

Lo and behold, the FSRU has been doing just that – starting March 26 till today, the 12th of July, 2015. In the process, however, the $1.5 billion, 15-year re-gasification agreement with Elengy Terminal Pakistan Limited has become – more or less – what the rental power agreements were during the PPP government.

Here’s why: back during the PPP days, we were paying a fixed rental to rental power plants but the power plants were not producing the contracted amount of electricity. With the re-gasification agreement, we are paying $272,476 per day every day of the year for the following 15 years but the throughput is less than the contracted throughput.

Over the 13-week period starting March 26, SSGC has lost a billion rupees if not more – and the re-gasification agreement has at least 14 years and eight months to go. How many more billions of public money is yet to go down the drain? Question: who will be taking in a hefty $46 million every six months for the following 15 years and laughing all the way to the bank? Answer: Elengy Terminal Pakistan Limited.

The mother of all questions is: why did SSGC, knowing full well that Qatari Qflex and Qmax LNG ships cannot enter our channels, sign the dreaded $1.5 billion, 15 year re-gasification agreement with Elengy Terminal Pakistan Limited?

This may indeed be an expensive question for SSGC to answer. I do not know who said, “A psychiatrist is a fellow who asks you a lot of expensive questions your wife asks for nothing” but I know that Albert Einstein said, “The important thing is not to stop questioning.”

Cheers

arun · Post by **arun** » 12 Jul 2015 16:43

Who would have thunk it? Comment by spokesperson for Dynastic communal vote bank pandering Congress Party, Manish Tewari, on the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, which is spot on

.

Great pity the viewpoint on the Islamic Republic of Pakistan was not visible in any sufficient degree when the Congress Party was the establishment and inflicted upon our Nation the Sharm El Sheikh declaration:

"Pakistan has an existential agenda which is premised upon the destruction of India and it is high time that the Indian establishment realizes that before getting into these overtures and signing platitudes as joint statements,"

From here:

ANI via Business Standard

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 12 Jul 2015 16:46

Paki Columnist Take On Modi- Sharif Meeting, Taliban Talks

AFGHAN Taliban meet Afghan government. Everyone looks to Pakistan. Nawaz meets Modi. Everyone looks to Modi, and wonders what the boys here make of it.

Start with Afghanistan. The story goes something like this. Everyone knows Ghani wanted to do things differently with Pakistan. Neither beg nor demand, it was a new kind of risky pragmatism.

Then, there was the Pakistani side. The boys said yes, we’ll help you out and these are the things we’ll do. It was specific stuff and pretty impressive. If it materialised, the war would be reined in and the peace process amped up.

Many wondered if it was too good to be true. But there it was, in black and white. And straight from the chief himself. Actionables. Deliverables. Real, measurable stuff.

Then, nothing happened. It seemed odd. Surely, the chief wouldn’t lie.

Turns out, according to this theory, Pakistan wasn’t really able to line up the Afghan Taliban ducks as quickly or in the way the boys thought they could.

ISI losing control over Taliban assets?

On to India. Modi didn’t want to talk, Modi is a hawk, Modi turned up the heat, Modi is to blame. All true enough on the Pak-India front.

Also true: Modi is learning on the job. When he became agitated, the world got alarmed and the influential parts of the world[*]
stepped in. You guys can’t squabble away like this, influential parts of the world said.

[*][/b] read Uncle !

Without the boys on board, [*]it doesn’t matter who’s in Delhi. Pak-India can’t be figured out or even worked on if civ-mil hasn’t been figured out or even worked on.

[*] Another confirmation that Deep State in charge of this area !

Security via diplomacy and peace tables is always good news. But when the real action may be elsewhere, brace yourself for bad news.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Jul 2015 16:57

arun wrote:There goes agenda item 5 on voice samples.

Of the five items, 4 were inconsequential either because they were already happening (DGs meeting,religious visits, fishermen being released) or it cannot happen (26/11). Only the NSA meeting was new and it still remains to be seen if it would take place. The Pakistani NSA would have a hard time meeting the Indian NSA and the Pakistani Army would also not like that. It may not even take place therefore.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Jul 2015 17:40

Development towards MFN possible if India remains positive - DT

As though India would forget everything else for the sake of MFN. . .and, knowing Pakistan's announcement of granting MFN to India perfidiously four years back and then under one excuse or another, as we all predicted here, going back.

He {Pakistan Businessmen president and Intellectuals Forum (PBIF) and former provincial minister Mian Zahid Hussain} said that Indian positive attitude towards issues like Kashmir, terrorism in Karachi and Balochistan, economic corridor etc. in the days to come can compel Pakistani policymakers to rethink granting MFN station to New Delhi. Cordial relations will be beginning of peace which will lift billions out of poverty for which PM Nawaz Sharif deserves credit, he added.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Jul 2015 17:53

Please read this important article on the Baloch resentment against CPEC & occupation of Gwadar

A few questions answered - Op-ed, DT

Balochistan is in the limelight but the Baloch and their wishes are ignored. The China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) is the centre of interest for China, Pakistan and, naturally, the world as all perceive it according to the strategic and economic advantages and disadvantages it holds for them. Whatever importance it may hold for others, it is extremely important for the Baloch whose lives it will destroy in the name of ‘development’. The CPEC is crucial to China strategically and to Pakistan as the implementer of the plan but their views differ from the Baloch who are generally seen as obstacles.

China is risking its money and prestige on this project and, therefore, wants to know how the Baloch view it. I was recently asked some questions in this regard and the answers are as follows:

What is the Baloch opinion about the CPEC? The Baloch do not view the CPEC favourably because they see it as an instrument to deny the Baloch their rights under the excuse of development. The Baloch people realise that the CPEC will put paid to their majority in Balochistan due to the tremendous influx of outsiders and this will sound the death knell for all the political, economic and social rights they have struggled and sacrificed so much for.

The Baloch fears are not unfounded. After President Xi Jinping promised $ 46 billion in investments for the energy corridor projects, it materialised as a serious threat to Baloch lives and Baloch rights as never before. The reason for this was that to guarantee the investors’ full returns the Pakistani establishment promised a severe crackdown on the Baloch who resent the exploitation of their resources. To ensure the success of their crackdown the Pakistani army announced that it would establish a Special Security Division (SSD) consisting of nine battalions of the army and six battalions of the civilian forces, and that it may extend Operation Zarb-e-Azb (the military operation going on in North Waziristan) to Balochistan. These measures indicate that repression in Balochistan will intensify. Already there have been instances of extreme violence in Mashkai, Awaran and other places. The Baloch people see the CPEC as very disadvantageous, detrimental and inauspicious for them, their interests and their future.

What do the Baloch people want from the CPEC and, in particular, the development of Gwadar? There are Baloch people and there are Baloch people; those like Dr Abdul Malik and his ilk simply want a share in the crumbs that will be the share of the Baloch from the bonanza that the CPEC is expected to be for China and Pakistan. Then there are the Baloch people who have resisted the illegal annexation of Balochistan by Pakistan on March 27, 1948 and have resisted the encroachment on their rights in the name of development and progress ever since.

The Baloch people resisted the so-called development of Gwadar even before the CPEC because they saw outsiders swamp it. They saw the land grab that began and they feared this would completely change the demographic balance by putting them out on a limb. The Baloch have not limited their resentment over Gwadar to words alone but have physically resisted it and that itself says a lot about their stance on the development of Gwadar.

What is the feeling of the Baloch people towards the Chinese? The Baloch people naturally view with suspicion all those who help Pakistan either militarily or economically vis-à-vis the Baloch people; this suspicion and resentment extends towards both China and the US for their roles in Balochistan. As China has become an increasingly active investor in Balochistan, this resentment has risen and the CPEC has made people identify China with the brutalities that are being committed by Pakistan in the name of development.

Chinese involvement in Saindak copper and gold mines too has always been viewed with hostility as it is seen as depriving the Baloch people of their resources and them getting nothing in return. The condition of the locals in and around Saindak has not changed and, on top of it all, the fear of environmental hazards created by mining has not endeared China to the Baloch people one bit.

How are the Baloch people communicating their concerns and requests to the Pakistani government? As I have said above, there are Baloch people and there are Baloch people. Those like Dr Abdul Malik do not question any action by the Pakistani government that is detrimental to Baloch interests because they have their personal advantages and benefits to look after. They do make adverse comments as Abdul Malik did regarding the route of the CPEC but that is just posturing for political capital. The fact is that they are powerless and irrelevant because they have no part in the decision making process in Balochistan.

The others who oppose all exploitation of Baloch resources in the name of development are not even allowed to present their views and activists who raise a voice against injustices disappear; thousands have gone missing with nearly 3,000 of them being killed and dumped. All websites raising the issues of Baloch rights are banned. Seminars arranged in Lahore, Karachi, etc, to highlight the plight of the Baloch people are officially cancelled so the only option then left to them is to physically resist, and that is what they do.

Gwadar is very important to the Chinese. How important is it to the people of Balochistan? Gwadar can never be more important to anyone the way it is to the Baloch people. China may have strategic and economic interests in Gwadar but for the Baloch it is their motherland. Moreover, they feel and understand that Gwadar is inextricably connected to their future prosperity and, for that reason, they have resisted encroachments on it in the past and are resisting now too. The Gwadar land grab that began when plans for its development were initiated in the year 2000 was so rampant that billboards inviting people to buy land could be seen in Lahore. However, it was the resistance by the Baloch people that eventually curbed it. That land grab in Gwadar awakened the Baloch to the conditions that will prevail along the route of the CPEC in Balochistan and the dire consequences that it will hold for them by turning them into an insignificant minority. The Baloch people want everyone to know that they are not easily giving up their Gwadar, their future, to anybody either for money or because of brute force, both of which are being employed liberally by Pakistan to make them forsake it.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 12 Jul 2015 20:31

I am hoping that India will support the Baloch people...don't see any evidence of that, except the bleatings from paki satan. So is absence of proof, proof of absence of Indian support ?

habal · Post by **habal** » 12 Jul 2015 20:40

ultimately the TSPA will fail both in pakjab as well as in balochistan.

SSundar · Post by **SSundar** » 12 Jul 2015 21:23

Senior Isis leader Hafiz Saeed 'killed in drone strike in Afghanistan'

Wasn't another Hafiz Saeed killed a month or so ago, leading to confusion with his namesake JUD founder? How many Hafiz Saeed's do these Jee-Hardies have?

Edited: Changed to permanent link.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 12 Jul 2015 22:04

http://www.firstpost.com/india/pak-does ... 38628.html

"We have told India in writing that there was no law in Pakistan that allows obtaining a voice sample of an accused. Even there is no such law in India and the USA," Chaudhry said, adding such a law can be introduced only through the Pakistani parliament.

What utter BS!
This on a FAQ from the American Bar Association:
http://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/ ... eckdam.pdf (PDF)

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Q. After arresting me, may the police make me provide fingerprints, a handwriting sample, or a voice example?

A. Generally, yes, the police are permitted to force you to supply these. They will take your fingerprints during the "booking" procedure at the police station. The law considers handwriting samples and voice examples evidence of physical characteristics. Therefore, you may not claim that the police are forcing you to incriminate yourself through these identification procedures. The police may use these samples as evidence against you in court if they help prove that you committed a crime. For example, your handwriting may be compared to the signature on a forged check or to the writing on a note handed to a teller in a bank robbery

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 12 Jul 2015 22:08

BTW, Pakistani laws on mobile phones:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -laws.html

This from February 2015.

Every mobile phone user in Pakistan is being ordered to have their fingerpints taken as part of the country's tough new anti-terror laws.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 12 Jul 2015 22:17

India - court ruling on voice samples, this from February 2014:
http://indianexpress.com/article/cities ... operative/

PS: In December 2012, a 2-judge-bench of the Indian Supreme Court issued a split judgment in Ritesh Sinha vs the State of UP of whether a suspect could be compelled to provide a voice sample, and referred it to a larger bench. I'm not able to find out whether a subsequent judgment was issued.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/newdelhi/ ... 71622.aspx
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/supr ... 37315.html

More perspective on the Indian situation, Jan 2013:
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130102/j ... 390549.jsp

Shameful that Indian legislators don't take up these issues and settle them with legislation.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 12 Jul 2015 22:41

http://tribune.com.pk/story/919428/lakh ... acks-case/

Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, the main accused in the November 2008 Mumbai attacks that killed 160 people, has refused to give consent for a voice sample in the case.

Rizwan Abbasi said that the Pakistani citizen would refuse any request for his voice sample.

“According to our law, the accused have to give their consent,” he said, adding that he would also question any future move by the prosecution to seek the samples. The issue will be discussed further between the National Security Agencies of the two countries.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 12 Jul 2015 23:21

This just in: Hazaras ripe for Shri Doval's menacing machinations.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1193856/hazara ... t#comments

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 Jul 2015 01:29

Paki doing Pakiness
At least 18 killed in attack near Afghanistan military base: authorities

KHOST: At least 18 people were killed and six wounded Sunday in a suicide car bomb attack near a military base in Afghanistan's eastern province of Khost, where Afghan and foreign soldiers are stationed, authorities said.The bomber detonated the explosives at a military roadblock near the entrance to Camp Chapman, said Faizullah Ghairat, the Khost city police chief.Authorities were unable to specify the victims' identities or say if troops were among the casualties. There was no immediate claim of responsibility, but the Taliban has often targeted Afghan and foreign troops.“We counted 18 dead and six wounded,” said a doctor at a hospital in the city.Ghairat put the toll at 25 dead and 16 wounded.Foreign troops including US soldiers are stationed at Camp Champan alongside Afghan soldiers.A statement from the NATO mission in Afghanistan said it was “aware” of the blast, but did not elaborate.In 2009, Camp Chapman was the target of a spectacular suicide attack claimed by Al-Qaeda. Seven CIA American officials were killed in the deadliest assault on the US agency since 1983, when eight officers died in an attack on a military base in Beirut.Camp Chapman is located less than four kilometres (2.4 miles) from the city of Khost, which is near the Pakistani border, a volatile region where the Taliban but also a multitude of armed Islamist groups hold sway.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 Jul 2015 01:29

doope

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 Jul 2015 01:31

Mumbai attack case: Lakhvi refuses to give voice samples
Paki So predictable

Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, the main accused in the Mumbai attacks, has refused to provide voice samples to India in the case. Lakhvi's lawyer, Rizwan Abbasi said, “According to our law, consent was necessary for a voice sample.”He said, “My client has refused in the past and will refuse again.”Recently, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and PM Nawaz Sharif released a joint statement, vowing to accelerate proceedings of the Mumbai attack case among other sticking points.Lakhvi was accused of plotting a 2008 militant assault on India's financial capital Mumbai that killed 166 people. Lakhvi was released from Adiala Jail in April this year, after a court ordered dismissal of detention orders issued against him.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 13 Jul 2015 01:49

1. Don't expect dramatic results from Modi's Pakistan visit - Salman Khurshid

HYDERABAD: Former External Affairs Minister Salman Khushid says Prime Minister Narendra Modi should not expect dramatic results from his proposed visit to Pakistan next year as New Delhi's past experiences on engagement with the neighbouring country have not been positive.

"On the other way, it may be disadvantageous that they may say we are ready to
talk about everything; so, we will talk about Jammu and Kashmir also."

Compare it with :
2. Kashmir issue to be tackled through back-channel diplomacy: Aziz

ISLAMABAD: Adviser on National Security and Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz said on Saturday Pakistan and India have decided to resolve the longstanding disputes of Kashmir, Siachen, and Sir Creek through ‘back-channel diplomacy’.

“The two sides also agreed to take up these issues under the back-channel Track-II mechanism for better understanding of each other’s point of view,” Aziz added.

Aziz’s statement comes after backlash from opposition parties over not mentioning the Kashmir dispute in a joint statement issued by the foreign secretaries of Pakistan and India after Russia talks.

The two south Asian nuclear-tipped rivals agreed to revive the stalled dialogue process, according to a joint statement issued on Friday.

Modi Ji must ensure that the Indian "Back Channel Team" must follow the Indian Agenda and not the Sickular "Peace with Pakistan based on Pakistani Agenda" of Peace with Pakistan at Any Price as espoused by the M S A - PureFoolButWhy - WKK Ilk.
Cheers

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 13 Jul 2015 02:15

Mumbai attack case: Lakhvi refuses to give voice samples

Maun vrat?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 13 Jul 2015 03:22

Bolti band ...
Tatte gale che phas gaye...

sum · Post by **sum** » 13 Jul 2015 04:41

^^ TSP, the land of milk and honey:

Pakistan provides Central Asian connection for Korean business

Pakistan is poised to grow as part of the global economy and a safer investment haven, the country’s Federal Minister for Commerce Khurram Dastgir Kahn told journalists last week.

Khan visited Seoul to expand economic cooperation and elicit Korean investment in Pakistan, building on former Korean Prime Minister Chung Hong-won’s visit to Islamabad in April last year.

“But our military and intelligence actions targeting terrorism have strengthened law and order substantially,” he argued. “Our government aims to give young people hope through economic growth and employment, so that they stay away from extremism and terrorism.”

Khan pointed to improved macroeconomic indicators, which have boosted investors’ confidence and Pakistan’s engagement with the world economy. International credit rating service Moody’s raised its outlook for Pakistan from negative to stable to positive between 2012 and 2015.

The government has also reduced deficits, divested shares of state-owned enterprises and successfully adapted to the international bond market, Khan said.

“Pakistan’s geostrategic location acts as a ‘fulcrum’ between Central and South Asia,” Khan claimed. “With our Asian partners, we want to transform our diplomatic friendships into economic partnerships.”

As China’s east end is Korea and west end is Pakistan, and China has free trade agreements with both countries, the minister said, Islamabad and Seoul should sign an FTA to complete the triad.

Khan argued that the young professionals visiting Pakistan will get an “exotic feel” of a country on the cusp of development.

“Living in Pakistan may be comparable to Korea 30 years ago,” he said. “We have a very colorful culture, with different styles of cultural expression in music, art, theater, clothes and food.”

Pakistan also has a diverse terrain and climate, from the high mountains in the north to the southern seas and everything in between. A steady stream of Korean tourists travel to Pakistan’s “majestic north” for mountaineering, according to the ambassador.

11,000 Pakistanis currently live in Korea, including some 1,000 students, 1,000 laborers and a great number of businesspeople. Over 1,000 Pakistanis have married Koreans and settled here since the late 1980s.

Thats 11000 people to keep an eye out for by Korean agencies!

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 13 Jul 2015 05:08

TSP .... the Land of Milk And Honey And

TSP .... the Land of Nuclear Proliferation

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 13 Jul 2015 05:10

Same way living in Pakistan s comparable to living in USA 200yrs ago. USA too had wild-west 200yrs ago as Pakistan's wild-west today.

partha · Post by **partha** » 13 Jul 2015 05:14

The ultimate aim though is to make living in Pakistan comparable to Saudi Barbaria 1400 years ago.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 13 Jul 2015 05:25

I.T. To Fight I.T. ( The Other Kind

)

‘Tracking Chips’ to monitor movements of 1,600 terror suspects

LAHORE (Web Desk) – For the first time, ‘tracking chips’ will be installed in the ~~feet~~ place where the sun does not shine of 1,600 terror suspects in Punjab province after Eidul Fitr to monitor their movements.

“We have bought the tracking devices from abroad[*] and the process of installing them ~~on the ankles~~ in the musharaf of the terror suspects will begin after Eid,” he said.

[*] Hope suppliers ensured payment in advance

Official sources said the government had decided to install the ‘ankle chip’ after reports that a number of high-profile members of banned organisations were flouting the official order to `stay in a particular district or area’.

A high-profile member of a banned organisation has even performed Umrah ~~without~~ with the permission of the Punjab government.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 13 Jul 2015 06:08

Paki Denial And The Deplorable State Of Higher Education In Pakistan

Higher Education sector is one of the major victims of electronic and print media these days in Pakistan where every other day, an intellectual is coming up with rhetorical questions on its growth and development without knowing the ground realities. These people also ignore the fact that Higher Education Commission (HEC) of Pakistan, which is striving hard[*] to develop sustainable educational growth, is only 14 years old.

[*] By establish 'famous Universities' under the ' AXACT Brand '

In this race of self-accentuation, well-known Prof Pervez Hoodbhoy also did not spare the higher education sector and lashed at it in his narrative in Express Tribune on January 4, 2013, putting Quaid Azam University (QAU) Islamabad and Punjab University (PU) Lahore as example of the academic corruption[*] [/b]in research and PhD thesis evaluation. He further opined that “Pakistani University teachers had roughly the same moral and ethical standards possessed by our policemen, politicians, generals and shopkeepers”. He added that the academic research being conducted in Pakistani universities is “kill count” based on “wholesale plagiarism” which has pushed academics ethics into a “free fall”.

[*][/b] Surprised that he failed to mention leakage of exam papers, threats to invigilators etc etc

It is so encouraging when foreigners acknowledge Pakistan, like Professor Michael Rode, Chairman of the United Nations Commission on Science, Technology and Development, wrote in 2008: “Never before have I seen such rapid positive changes in any country in the higher education sector as witnessed in Pakistan in a short period of six years. Around the world when we discuss the status of higher education in different countries, there is unanimity of opinion that the developing country that has made the most rapid progress internationally in recent years is Pakistan.”

Why can’t Pakistanis do the same?

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 13 Jul 2015 06:14

PM Nawaz meets Saudi King Salman after Umrah

Below is a sarcastic comment by a Paki Reader:

someone needs to issue a fatwa that excessive umra's are not good. for every umma this PM does the government could sponsor a 1000 poor people

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Jul 2015 08:57

‘SCO can help ease India-Pak. tensions’ - Atul Aneja, The Hindu

China and Russia are aspiring to play a major role in resolving differences between India and Pakistan within the framework of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) — a move that both see as necessary to integrate the economies of Eurasia along the New Silk Road.

A commentary in China’s state-run Xinhua news agency observes that the inclusion of India and Pakistan in the SCO — a decision that was taken last Friday during the grouping’s summit in Ufa — will enhance the “organisation’s influence and appeal at the international stage”. It then stresses that the inclusion of New Delhi and Islamabad in the grouping will help improve bilateral relations by ironing out differences within the SCO framework.

Welcoming the two nations into the group, Russian President Vladimir Putin said: “We know the background of the relationship. We hope the SCO will be able to facilitate a compromise between India and Pakistan.”

Analysts say any appreciable reduction in India-Pakistan tensions can boost the prospects of realising the China-driven Belt and Road project. The initiative is meant to integrate the economies of Eurasia through the establishment of physical and cyber connectivity, energy pipelines, industrial parks and smart cities along a contiguous corridor.

Gwadar corridor

China and Pakistan have decided to establish a Gwadar-Kashgar economic corridor under the Belt and Road project, but India objects to it as it passes through Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. India has rejected the assertion, but Pakistan has accused New Delhi of aiding insurgency and imposing impediments in Baluchistan, through which the proposed corridor would pass. China is aware that an India-Pakistan rapprochement, by lowering suspicions, can contribute to the stabilisation of Afghanistan, benefiting the regional stakeholders including New Delhi and Islamabad.

On India and Pakistan, the Xinhua commentary says that apart from “mending fences between traditional rivals, the SCO expansion also bodes well for countering terrorism and extremism in the region, a key task for the SCO since its establishment”. Since India and Pakistan face the challenges of terrorism, separatism and extremism, their “future entry into the SCO will be a positive step for their domestic security, and will extend the anti-terrorism network”.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Jul 2015 09:06

Shanghai Cooperation Organisation membership behind restart of Indo-Pak talks - Dipanjan Roy Chaudhury, Economic Times

The membership of Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO), after years of lobbying, is understood to have been one of the key deciding factors behind the rapprochement between India and Pakistan that was set in motion on the sidelines of grouping's summit at the Russian city of Ufa.

India and Pakistan — hitherto SCO observers — would become full members of the grouping and the process was launched at the Ufa Summit on July 10. Diplomatic sources indicated that global powers and key founding members of SCO — Russia and China — had suggested that both Delhi and Islamabad should seek normalisation of ties for the success of the regional grouping. Russia as a host of the current SCO Summit was particularly keen that the grouping attains coherence in future.

While the USA has been keen that the South Asian neighbours tone down their rhetoric and move towards peace, particularly amid the recent war of words, it is understood that both Delhi and Islamabad decided to bury their hatchet and begin a limited engagement eyeing SCO membership.

India wants to leverage its membership in SCO to expand ties with Central Asia and maintain its interests in Afghanistan. It is understood that Modi himself took the final call in seeking rapprochement with Islamabad.

Pakistani PM Nawaz Sharif, despite strong opposition at home, decided to reciprocate Modi's gesture for engagement with an eye on playing a larger role in the region, sources indicated. Sharif 's plan though may run aground due to hardline elements in his country, both within the government and outside.

SCO founding members, particularly Russia and China, felt that tensions between India and Pakistan would not allow smooth functioning of the grouping as two countries might bring up their bilateral issues at the forum.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Jul 2015 09:32

This from 2011:
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-9 ... threatened

Something remarkable happened in Pakistan during the short period from 2000 to 2008 that rang alarm bells in India.

Wiki: Bernd Michael Rode:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernd_Michael_Rode

He has awards from all over the place, including Pakistan of course, Thailand and Indonesia.

From a doc on the web at www.iccs.edu from roughly 2008:

Higher Education in Pakistan - A Great Development is in Imminent Danger

Around the world when we discuss the status of higher education in different countries, there is unanimity of opinion that the developing country that has made the most rapid progress internationally in recent years is Pakistan. In no other country has the higher education sectorseen such spectacular positive developments as that in Pakistan during the last six years.This became possible for 3 main reasons : 1) The closure of the University Grants Commission (UGC) (which was a failed organisation operating under the Ministry of Education) and the establishment of an autonomous Ministerial level organisation operating under the direct control of the Prime Minister of Pakistan, free from the bureaucratic procedures of the Ministry of Education. 2) The establishment of a a highly competent and representative 18 member Commission comprising Secretaries of Ministries of Education and Science & Technology, eminent educationists, Vice-Chancellors of Universities and representatives of all Provinces. 3) Appointment of Pakistan's leading scientist and educationist, Prof. Dr. Atta-ur-Rahman, as the Chairman of the Higher Education Commission with the status of a Federal Minister to provide competent and dynamic leadership to the Commission.

As a result a miracle happened. University enrolment of only 135,000 by the end of the year 2002 was almost tripled in a short period of 5 years by 2007 and reached 360,000. Research output in internationally recognized and reviewed journals (abstracted by the Institute of Scientific Information, USA) showed a 400 percent increase, rising from about 600 publications per year in 2002 to over 2400 publications per year in 2007. Even more importantly the citations (i.e. the references to articles from Pakistan by other international authors, an internationally recognized yardstick of evaluation of the quality of international publications) saw a 600 percent increase in the same 5 year period! In the previous 40 year period less than 50 students had been sent abroad for PhD level training with the result that the university faculty had been seriously depleted of qualified manpower. In contrast, during the 5 year period between 2003 to 2007 almost 3000 students were sent for PhD level studies to top universities in USA (through the world's largest Fulbright programme launched in Pakistan with joint funding by HEC/USAID), Austria, Germany, France, Italy, Sweden, China, South Korea, Australia and New Zealand. A very large number of linkages were established between universities in Pakistan and top foreign universities (50 such linkages with British universities alone) allowing exchange of scientists, joint supervision of PhD students and joint research programmes.

I visited Pakistan a number of times and it was disappointing that most libraries previously had hardly a few of the latest international journals. After the formation of the Higher Education Commission, however, a silent revolution occurred and probably the best digital library in the world was set up in Pakistan which today provides free access to every student in every public sector university in Pakistan to some 25,000 international journals and 45,000 text books and research monographs from 220 international publishers, key-word searchable and downloadable, completely free of charge. Such a nation-wide access to the latest literature is not even available in Europe or USA today, and Pakistan demonstrated that given honest, dedicated and dynamic leadership as provided by Prof. Dr. Atta-ur-Rahman and his eminent colleagues led by Dr.Sohail Naqvi, it was possible to achieve the almost impossible.

Most universities in Pakistan are today equipped with video-conferencing facilities and lectures are delivered regularly by professors from top universities in Europe, USA etc and listened to by students in Sind, Baluchistan and other provinces in real-time and in a fully interactive manner, so that face to face questions can be asked across the world ---- Pakistan has become the first in the world to introduce a nation-wide international lecturing programme.

The most far-sighted and visionary project initiated by Prof. Atta-ur-Rahman was the establishment of a number of universities in partnership with foreign countries. I was shocked to read completely baseless criticisms against Prof. Atta-ur-Rahman in the national press of Pakistan launched by some scientists and politicians, and even in the National Assembly about his failure to establish any foreign universities in Pakistan. The truth is quite the opposite and it shows how facts can be twisted and distorted. These projects required detailed and complex negotiations with several foreign governments and with over foreign 30 universities, which were carried out very efficiently during 2005-2006 and the project documents (PC-1s) prepared in consultation with foreign partners by Prof. Atta-ur-Rahman and his colleagues in 2007. These university projects were approved only earlier this year (February 2008) by the Government of Pakistan. There was no way that HEC could start these universities till formal approval had been given and funds released.

Normally it would have been difficult to convince universities in Europe to undertake such an initiative in Pakistan because of the perceived threats of security. However, the tremendous respect that Prof. Dr. Atta-ur-Rahman has internationally was a key factor in coming to a positive decision. Although projects for the establishment of 4 such universities were approved by the interim government in February 2008, HEC had made all the necessary arrangements to start MS level classes in temporary campuses in a very short time frame in October 2008. Thus the Pakistan-Austria university with which I have been closely associated was all set to start in October 2008, but when the matter came under consideration of the cabinet of the new government, the Cabinet decided not to sign the MoU for establishment of these universities but set up a sub-committee to review the entire programme. As the Cabinet has still not given its go-ahead and funds for these universities have not been released, the programme remains frozen. It is therefore completely unfair to blame Prof. Atta-ur-Rahman for not being able to start these new universities in the light of the facts presented above. These new universities would have allowed students in Pakistan to get degrees from top universities in Europe without ever going abroad, thereby raising the standards of education to the highest world standards in a matter of 2-3 years. These universities would have had Rectors and eminent faculty members provided by the consortia of foreign universities and would have followed the curriculum and examination systems of the foreign universities. These projects also included technology parks in which leading companies of the foreign countries would have established their R&D Centres to carry out cutting-edge product development work. Pakistan does not have a single foreign R&D Centre presently, while there are already hundreds in India and China. . It will be very unfortunate if after advancing so far and forming consortia of top universities in Europe and China, this programme is abandoned, loosing a unique opportunity for Pakistan to provide its young talents adequate chances and to develop a knowledge-based economy.

I have been heading the United Nations Commission for Science, Technology and Development and ASEA-UNINET which is a large network of Universities in Europe and Asia.Never before have I seen such rapid positive changes in any country in the higher education sector as witnessed in Pakistan in a short period of 6 years. A number of international reports have appeared praising Pakistan for it successes in the higher education sector (World Bank, British Council, USAID, Thomsons-Reuters etc.).The outstanding merits for this development were recognised by the Austrian government which conferred the highest Civil Award of Austria, the"Grand Decoration of Honour in Gold with Sash" on Prof. Dr. Atta-ur- Rahman in May 2008. Prof. Rahman also became the first scientist from the Muslim world to receive the prestigious UNESCO Prize in the 35 year history of the Prize in June 1999. As far as I know, he is also the most decorated scientist of Pakistan, having won four civil awards by successive governments including the government of late Benazeer Bhutto. Under these circumstances it is really astonishing that instead of applauding his services to higher education some narrow minded politicians and scientists (?) have chosen to criticise him and HEC for unknown but certainly unjustified reasons. I have read with alarm that there is a move to change the character of the Higher Education Commission and convert it back into a UGC-like organisation. It will be a great national tragedy if the Higher Education Commission is destroyed by taking away its autonomy and bringing it under the Ministry of Education thus recreating the old UGC with a different name. The Prime Minister must continue to head this important institution, and the Chairman of HEC has to be an educationist of international eminence and reputation, and it will be hard if not impossible to find another personality of such standing for this position than Prof. Dr. Atta-ur-Rahman.

Univ.-Prof.Dr.DDDDr.h.c. Bernd Michael Rode
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pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 13 Jul 2015 09:37

http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-19097 ... -one-week-
Fourth major power breakdown in Karachi within one week

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 Jul 2015 09:38

A_Gupta wrote:This from 2011:
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-9 ... threatened
Something remarkable happened in Pakistan during the short period from 2000 to 2008 that rang alarm bells in India.

Even The quietest man on planet MMS , laughed.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Jul 2015 09:50

And here is a take-down of Atta-ur-Rahman, titled "Pakistani education and fiasco".
http://europeanstudiesgroupdu.org/pakis ... nd-fiasco/

PS: I hadn't realized it, but Atta-ur-Rahman is responsible for the Pakistani paranoia about H.A.A.R.P.
Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atta_ur_R ... P_Research

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Jul 2015 09:59

List of universities in Pakistan:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_u ... n_Pakistan

"In addition, 51 new universities and 18 campuses were established between 2003-2008."
http://twas.org/article/atta-ur-rahman- ... egic-focus

Can you count 51 universities established between 2003-2008 on that Wiki page?