RoyG wrote:RamaYji,
The Chinese have already moved into POK. There isn't much we can do. The Chinese want to prevent a link up with Russia and the Stans.
In fact India can do much in PoK. China's official position is that they aren't in PoK.
RoyG wrote:RamaYji,
The Chinese have already moved into POK. There isn't much we can do. The Chinese want to prevent a link up with Russia and the Stans.
RamaY wrote:RoyG wrote:RamaYji,
The Chinese have already moved into POK. There isn't much we can do. The Chinese want to prevent a link up with Russia and the Stans.
In fact India can do much in PoK. China's official position is that they aren't in PoK.
NEW DELHI: Country's imports of Iranian crude oil rose last month to their highest level since March 2014 as refiners boosted purchases ahead of a final push by international negotiators to reach a deal on Tehran's disputed nuclear programme by end-June.
The jump to a 14-month high comes just two months after India dropped its crude imports from Iran to zero under US pressure to limit its purchases of the Islamic republic's oil.
In March this year India did not take any Iranian oil for the first time in at least a decade.
India asked refiners to form a balance between the euro and U.S. dollar to avoid placing pressure on the Indian rupee in case Iran finalizes a deal with six world powers. Indian refineries owe around $6.5 billion to Iran for oil imports -- or around 55 percent of the total bill for crude oil purchased since February 2013.
The payment was halted under pressure from European and U.S. sanctions against Iran. India used to pay Iran through Turkey's Halkbank.
Even though India abides by a U.S. request to limit oil imports from Iran, it has expressed a willingness to rebuild business relations with the Islamic republic. India’s oil ministry sent a letter to local refiners June 11 stating that Iran would be expected to ask for the payment if the nuclear agreement was secured.
"The refineries may buy forex in the spot/forward market in an incremental manner so as to build up the required USD/EUR balance," Reuters quoted from the letter, which was sent to HPCL-Mittal Energy Ltd. (HMEL), Indian Oil Corp., Essar Oil, Mangalore Refinery and Petrochemicals Ltd. and Hindustan Petroleum Corp.
UlanBatori wrote:OK, P-6 and POTUS/WHOTUS have made the deal with Iran. Whether COTUS approves or not is moot for the rest of the world.
RamaY wrote:
Turkey is EU's Pakistan.
RamaY wrote:Isn't that a good outcome? At least we will be fighting a two-front war with commies who are "said" to be rational unlike irrational Pakis?
Remember that any defeat anywhere is a H&D loss for China.
SaiK wrote:don't understand why the +1 has to be germany?
Oil prices tumbled more than a dollar on Tuesday after the deal was reached.
“We all probably remember that in April 2009 in Prague [US] President [Barack] Obama said that if the Iran nuclear program issue is sorted out, then the task of creating the European segment of the missile defense system will disappear,” Lavrov said at press conference in Vienna.
Russia will take an active part in practical activities which are aimed at realization of the nuclear agreement with Tehran reached on Tuesday, Lavrov said, which concerns two issues directly mentioned in the documents.
They are “the removal of low-enriched uranium to Russia in exchange for the delivery of natural uranium to Iran, and … the re-purposing of the Fordow former enrichment facility into an isotope production facility for medicinal and industrial purposes."
Y. Kanan wrote:Are you serious? I like your optimism but we must be reading different news reports.
Iran's moves have been reactive, not part of some grand plan. They've been desperately moving to defend themselves against encirclement and destabilization from all sides. Iran has actually lost a great deal of influence in the region with the Assad govt barely hanging on to 30% of the country and Iraq's Shia-friendly govt also weakened and constantly terrified of the Gulf Kingdoms, who have the money to stir up powerful Sunni rebellions in the areas of Iraq where they are the majority. As for Yemen, the Houthi are screwed. Saudi\Arab bombardment has left the Houthi in control of a country with no economy and no future. Saudi-backed AQAP and other Sunni militant forces will keep nibbling away at the Houthi until they collapse.
Iran is also suffering from cheap oil and sanctions, which won't be lifted anytime soon, deal or no deal.
Y. Kanan wrote:We'll have to agree to disagree as you seem to interpret events based on a foregone conclusion that Iran is some sort of aggressive Persian empire in the making (or something). I don't see it, but fair enough.
But one thing we'd have to agree on, is that India wasted a valuable opportunity by snubbing and betraying the Iranians back in 2005. The prior govt turned on Iran as part of it's campaign of kissing American ass in the hopes they'd throw us some scraps, but that failed miserably. The Americans screwed us anyway, as they always do, and now the Iranians don't think much of us either. Can't say I blame them; from the Iranian point of view, India is a back-stabbing and unreliable ally.
NRao wrote:So, does Saudi cash in with the Pakistanis?
And will the Pakistanis provide a nuke?
Y. Kanan wrote:We'll have to agree to disagree as you seem to interpret events based on a foregone conclusion that Iran is some sort of aggressive Persian empire in the making (or something). I don't see it, but fair enough.
But one thing we'd have to agree on, is that India wasted a valuable opportunity by snubbing and betraying the Iranians back in 2005. The prior govt turned on Iran as part of it's campaign of kissing American ass in the hopes they'd throw us some scraps, but that failed miserably. The Americans screwed us anyway, as they always do, and now the Iranians don't think much of us either. Can't say I blame them; from the Iranian point of view, India is a back-stabbing and unreliable ally.
Rony wrote:Long before India "snubbed" them, they were already supporting Islamists in Kashmir, their news channels were and are indulging anti-Indian propaganda with respect to Kashmir. Even before Ayotollahs, the secular Shah was in allaince with pakis and actually gave pakis access to hid their planes in Iran. I fail to understand where this pro-Iran thing comes to some Indians. We should treat Iran just like we treat Arabs and Turks. Nothing more, nothing less.
RoyG wrote:How exactly is India backstabbing Iran? We are continuing with work on Chabahar, in the process of paying our oil dues, calling for greater multilateral cooperation to minimize tensions, etc. There will be missteps especially under a very corrupt center, but the Iranians know that. Overall things have been going smoothly.
But is blood thicker than water?
nobody will take us seriously including Iranians till we grow 1) economically, 2) militarily,3) socially 4) diplomatically...and be ready to take strong decisions.
manjgu wrote:nobody will take us seriously including Iranians till we grow 1) economically, 2) militarily,3) socially 4) diplomatically...and be ready to take strong decisions.
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