Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10, 2015

wig · Post by **wig** » 20 Jul 2015 15:58

confusing. this article says that LNG will be imported from china via a 700 km pipeline. I thought the Chinese imported LNG themselves. I doubt a 700 km pipeline will go very far!
http://www.dawn.com/news/1195279/constr ... tan-abbasi

Minister of Petroleum and Natural Resources Shahid Khaqan Abbasi said Pakistan has started construction work on a seven hundred-kilometre pipeline to import liquefied natural gas (LNG) from China, said a report on Radio Pakistan.

Speaking to Voice of America (VoA), Abbasi said the project will be jointly funded by Pakistan and China.

He also said that Gwadar port will be used as the central hub for the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), allowing western China to gain access to warm waters from Pakistan.

Abbasi said funds from China, in relation to this project, will be beneficial to Pakistan for completion of the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline project.

He said Pakistan has been trying to overcome its energy crisis by importing gas from Iran, adding that sanctions on Iran had resulted in difficulties in the way of inching closer to completing the Iran-Pakistan pipeline project.

The CPEC, with a planned portfolio of projects totalling around $46 billion, will link Gwadar, Khuzdar and other areas on way to Dera Ghazi Khan, Dera Ismail Khan and Peshawar along its central route.

The eastern route will connect Gwadar to Ratodero, Sukkur, and Karachi and upward to cities in Punjab, and from there to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and the Khunjerab Pass.

There have been security concerns over much of the plan, which relies on developing Gwadar — control of which was passed to a Chinese company in 2013.

Linking Gwadar to the rest of Pakistan and the western Chinese city of Kashgar, 3,000 kilometres away, will involve major infrastructure work in Balochistan.

Balochistan is one of Pakistan's most unstable provinces and has been dogged for over a decade by a bloody separatist insurgency. Ethnic Baloch rebels have in the past blown up numerous gas pipelines and trains and attacked Chinese engineers.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 20 Jul 2015 16:09

Modi wants private success story with Pakistan: Salman Khurshid

Former Indian External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid claimed on Monday Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi wanted his own private success story with Pakistan and was pursuing a ‘policeman’s foreign policy’.

“You can’t talk to another country when it is only half the voice of the nation. Unless the whole nation speaks, you cannot succeed with another country. And the big mistake Modi is making is he wants to make his own private success story with Pakistan. That is not possible. That has never been possible. It is not possible now,” Khurshid told IANS in an interview.

Khurshid said for a national consensus on ties with Pakistan it is necessary for the Indian government and opposition to be on better terms.

Days after an ice-breaking meeting between Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and Modi in the Russian city of Ufa, where both sides decided to resume the dialogue process stalled since mid-2014, cross border firing has resumed.

Regarding the recent border tensions and responding to a question whether Pakistan has made a ‘u-turn’ from position in Ufa, Khurshid said, “They [Pakistan] are never capable or sincere in dealing with India’s concerns.”

“We have seen this over and over again. For anyone who is seeing it as an about-turn, we are fooling ourselves. It was never really intended by Pakistan to come on board with India’s concerns on security. It was done because they wanted to show something to the world and Modi wanted to show something to India,” Khurshid said, adding that Modi had a great panache for quick fixes.

The former external affairs minister also said that Modi was dealing with Pakistan in a pure tactical manner.

“Whatever Modi decides he has to do with Pakistan must have some strategic inputs. I think he does not really rely on adequate level of strategic inputs,” he said.

Asked about his remarks that Modi government’s foreign policy was failure, Khurshid said “it has not delivered anything anywhere.”

“They have not told us what they want to do. Just going everywhere and getting 21 gun salutes is not what diplomacy is about. Diplomacy is about furthering your national interest, making your presence felt and getting your high priority items. What have we received in the last one year by way of delivery from any country that Mr Modi has visited,” Khurshid added. My Oh My! Green Eyed Monster

“I think a policeman’s foreign policy is what he is pursuing and a policeman’s foreign policy, to my mind, is a disaster. Policeman’s foreign policy is when you think you can play one against the other. When you can try to be smart with everybody else, not sincere with anyone. That’s the policeman’s foreign policy and that is more than apparent here,” he added

Cheers

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 20 Jul 2015 16:22

wig wrote:confusing. this article says that LNG will be imported from china via a 700 km pipeline. I thought the Chinese imported LNG themselves. I doubt a 700 km pipeline will go very far!
http://www.dawn.com/news/1195279/constr ... tan-abbasi

wig Ji :

As usual this is Pakis Brains at its Best.

I quote from the Article :

Abbasi said funds from China, in relation to this project, will be beneficial to Pakistan for completion of the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline project.

The Iranians have built the Pipe Line from the Gas Field to the Iran-Pak Border but Pakistan does not have the Money to build a Pipe Line from the Border with Iran to the Pakistani Points of use.

Cheers

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 20 Jul 2015 16:45

What

I was given to understand that Oil/Gas would flow to China from Gwadar!!! Now we are told that the actual flow will be in the reverse direction!

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 20 Jul 2015 17:10

Abhay_S wrote:The Hippo is going on a Diet.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1195266/altaf- ... in-protest

Because this appears more as a publicity stunt and /or bluff by Altaf Bhai, one reader has heaped scorn on him by saying why does he need (U.K.) government permission to start a hunger strike ?

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 20 Jul 2015 17:40

"Shahid Khaqan Abbasi said Chinese funds will benefit Pakistan to complete its Iran-Pakistan Gas Pipeline project."

Above quote is from one of the a Paki Propagandu paper

My hypothesis: As usual Bhooka -Nanga Pakistan is looking forward to free maal from Chini Blothel for financing the Paki portion of the Iran - Pak Gas Pipeline project.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 20 Jul 2015 18:05

Pakistan P.M. Uses Paki National Carrier - P.I.A.- As His Personal Taxi

The ‘royal wedding’ that cost PIA passengers heavily

LAHORE (Staff Report) – Passengers of the Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) protested against 17-hour delay of New York to Lahore bound flight, which was caused due to wedding of the prime minister’s grand daughter in Jeddah.

New York to Lahore bound flight got delayed for 17 hours because the prime minister’s relatives[*] were flown to attend his grand daughter’s wedding in Jeddah, revealed the flight’s cabin crew.[*][*]

[*] 1. Did they pay for the ride themselves or was the Paki carrier on the hook

2. Were any 'regular' paying passengers 'bumped of'?

[*][*] Are their 'jobs' secure now in view of this disclosure

On boarding, already frustrated passengers found PIA crew had failed to clean the plane after the last flight. [*]They protested against the irresponsible and callous attitude of the crew, but to no avail.

[*] maybe, the NY ground staff/contractor has still not been paid for previous cleanings

There were no news reports of a missing PIA plane, thank Allah - so obviously the pilot was not inebriated

After transporting ‘special guests’ of the prime minister to Jeddah,[*] Flight PK-722 flew to New York without any passengers, which resulted in the loss of revenue.[*][*]

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[*] Obviously ex - gratia

[*][*] Hope the pilot and the crew took the mandatory 'rest leave'

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 20 Jul 2015 18:41

Ganja Wins Kammundu Loses; Musharaf To Remain On Exit Control List Per Paki Supreme Court

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 20 Jul 2015 18:49

Hurriyat Disillusioned

Interesting Comments.

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 20 Jul 2015 18:53

Falijee wrote:Ganja Wins Kammundu Loses; Musharaf To Remain On Exit Control List Per Paki Supreme Court

Interesting happenings. Khakis take on MQM.
Supreme Court takes on Khakis.
What next ? Kammandu to appeal in military court ?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 Jul 2015 19:31

Here is the original VOA news-item. How it turned into "Pakistan is building a 700 km pipeline to import LNG from China" is one of the wonders of Pinglish.
http://www.voanews.com/content/pakistan ... 64001.html

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 20 Jul 2015 19:51

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 20 Jul 2015 19:55

Chinmayanand wrote:Hurriyat Disillusioned

Interesting Comments.

YEP comment:
Na Khuda Hee Mila Na Wisaley Sanam; Na Idhar Ke Rahe Na Udhar Ke Hum.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 20 Jul 2015 20:16

Falijee wrote:"Shahid Khaqan Abbasi said Chinese funds will benefit Pakistan to complete its Iran-Pakistan Gas Pipeline project."

Above quote is from one of the a Paki Propagandu paper

My hypothesis: As usual Bhooka -Nanga Pakistan is looking forward to free maal from Chini Blothel for financing the Paki portion of the Iran - Pak Gas Pipeline project.

Oeureka! This explains everything.

The cheeni b(r)othe(r)s have made a real effort for munna bakistan. Here is how the first big meeting went. With much constipation, after finally getting thejr tongue around the a(l)se one time, the cheenis implored:

Brothel?

The bakistanis were delighted: Yes, Yes! Brothel. Best Brothel! Big Brothel! Would you like Ayesha, Apdul, or khushpoo?

And they have lived happily ever since. How could the SDRE not seen this before?

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 20 Jul 2015 21:14

Paul wrote:

These must not be 'True Muslims (TM)'!

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 20 Jul 2015 23:01

Paul wrote:

A. Notice the chamca baazi / maaska baazi on display

B. Now How to explain 'True Momin will not bow to anyone except Allah

C. On a more serious note, explains the biradari system (holding Pakis to- gather extolled by (fauji approved

) writer Anatol Lieven on his book on Pakistan

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Jul 2015 03:56

These must be bonded labour of the Chaudharies and Landlords.
These buggers made Pakistan to ensure that their land ownings that they got from the previous princely states could be protected.

It is a shame that something like this stills lives on in Pakistan in the 21st century.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Jul 2015 03:58

There are other videos of such Zamindars and Jageerdars beating the crap out of their servants. There is one particluar video of a woman landowner who is herself with her musclemen beating the life out of an elderly man and his son

Everything is fair game in Al-Bakistan.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 21 Jul 2015 05:03

^^ Well, but there are now avenues for the browntrodden serfs to hot back at their TFTA overlouds.

By joining 'em jihardon factories and graduating with an AK or soosai vest that can be discretionarily used against the feudal lordas. Just saying...

P.S. More seriously, with the amount and kind of small arms and 'small' explosives floating around in pakland, would be surprised if TSP ain't already a kidnapping & extortion racket x1000 the size of what beehaar was at its jungle raj peak... onlee.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Jul 2015 06:25

Oh yeah!
The people in massaland don't advertize when they go back home to Pakiland.

Everyone from jealous relatives, to prospective groom hunters, to jilted former groom hunters can try to do a soosai goatnapping.
Local mullahs pass on messages to goatnappers.

A hindu colleague of mine had extortion letters sent to his father when the local mullah found out that that family had a son working in massaland.
The father was threatened that he will be involved in a blasphemy case if the needed money wasn't coughed up. The family's response was to send their kids to relatives in India on a one way trip. Both parents applied for visas. The Indian embassy in its wisdom gave a visa to only my friend's mother. The father had to do a lot of running around, but eventually got a visa.
I think some money did eventually exchange hands with the mullah in the meantime to tide over the period.

Extortionists target Christians, Hindus and Sikhs with aplomb. They are secure because even the police won't do much to protect minorities in Pakiland. That nation is a virtual hell for all minorities.

All this is apart from the local mullah and goons trying to kidnap young girls belonging to Hindu, sikh or christian families. It is a very tough way of life for all people stuck there.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 21 Jul 2015 07:51

Khan Of Kalat Refuses To Smoke Pakistan Peace Pipe

Khan of Kalat turns down govt’s request to end his exile

KARACHI: A high-level delegation of Balochistan government ministers and notables, which met the Khan of Kalat, Mir Ahmed Suleman Daud Khan, in London has failed to persuade him to end his self-imposed exile and return to Pakistan.

At the same time, the delegation requested the Khan to return to Balochistan to play his role in improving the situation in the province.

The London statement, giving some details of the interaction, said the delegation appealed to the Khan to return to Balochistan. The Khan described Balochistan as “my country, and I can return whenever I want”. However, as per the statement, the Khan said he was “sent (to London) by the Grand Balochi Jirga to seek justice for the Baloch nation and (to) internationalise the Baloch cause, which I have been doing with quite a success” .

Lately there had been lot of speculations whether or not the Khan of Kalat would at all meet the delegation sent by the Balochistan government. Finally the meeting did take place last week. But interestingly, the statement issued in London quoted the Khan of Kalat as having told the delegation, “I met you as fellow Baloch tribal chiefs and notable according to the Baloch custom, but not as ministers”.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 21 Jul 2015 08:16

'Deep State' Buddies Come To Kammundu's Rescue In BB Case

Musharraf close to acquittal in BB case: lawyer

ISLAMABAD: The lawyer of former president retired General Pervez Musharraf thinks the general is inching closer to his acquittal in the Benazir Bhutto murder case as the prosecution is struggling to produce the last witness against him[*].

[*] One arm of the govt (Deep State)

working hard to ensure that the other arm (law and justice)

fails

While the prosecution’s case against Mr Musharraf was based on four witnesses, in the previous week the prosecution has already dropped one of them -- Ejaz Shah, the former chief of the Intelligence Bureau.[*]

[*] Deep State Buddy of the General also involved in the

Daniel Pearl murder case

The prosecution’s case against him was based on the statements of the four witnesses.

These were: former interior secretary Syed Kamal Shah; former director general of the National Crisis Management Cell (NCMC) retired Brig Javed Iqbal Cheema; former IB director general retired Brig Ejaz Shah; and the US lobbyist Mark Siegel.

Advocate Ilyas Siddiqui, who is representing Mr Musharraf, claims that both Mr Shah and Mr Cheema did not utter a single word against their former boss, Mr Musharraf, in their testimonies.

“They disowned the statements attributed to them by the FIA,”[*] he said, adding: “The prosecution could declare them hostile witnesses but it didn’t.”

[*] Deep State working

very hard

The JIT report claimed that Mr Siegel alleged in his statement that Ms Bhutto had sent him an email on Oct 26, 2007, in which she expressed her sense of insecurity. She also wrote that if something happened to her, she held Mr Musharraf responsible as well as the individuals mentioned in her letter to Mr Musharraf on Oct 16, 2007.

In that Oct 16 letter, she named Brigadier Shah, retired Lt Gen Hameed Gul and Chaudhry Pervaiz Elahi.

Mr Siegel also claimed that on Sept 25, 2007, in his presence in Washington, Ms Bhutto received a telephone call which she later described as a very ‘bad call’ from Mr Musharraf.

It is now upto Des Percenti to internationalize the issue once again

to ensure that the murderers of his wife are brought to justice

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Jul 2015 08:22

Falijee wrote:Khan Of Kalat Refuses To Smoke Pakistan Peace Pipe

Khan of Kalat turns down govt’s request to end his exile

The CPEC is putting pressure on Pakistan to behave in ways that it was not used to.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Jul 2015 10:16

AoA
But who's to trust the deep state hain ji?
They'll send some well meaning civvies from the Baloch assembly and lure the khan of Kalat back into Balochistan. What is to stop the ISI from assassinating him then hain ji?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Jul 2015 10:36

Gagan wrote:They'll send some well meaning civvies from the Baloch assembly and lure the khan of Kalat back into Balochistan. What is to stop the ISI from assassinating him then hain ji?

Gagan, my reading is China is pressurizing Pakistan to resolve the Balochistan issue since Gwadar and significant routes through Balochistan are anchors for the success of the CPEC. China places great store in the success of the CPEC. If the tactically brilliant ISI assassinate the Khan, Balochistan will boil and China would be extremely annoyed. In the case of Balochistan, the PA/ISI would not do anything without consulting the Chinese masters, IMHO.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Jul 2015 10:49

Yes that is very true.
I wonder what will happen to the aspirations of the baloch nation, now the the undemocratic China-Pakistan duo are on the case.
I fear that these two will unleash a fresh wave of human rights violations there. The suffering of the people of Balochistan will exponentially increase.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Jul 2015 10:52

I think that all democratic entities must unite and prevent non-democratic spread. These non democratic entities must be contained!

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 21 Jul 2015 11:02

SSridhar wrote:Gagan, my reading is China is pressurizing Pakistan to resolve the Balochistan issue since Gwadar and significant routes through Balochistan are anchors for the success of the CPEC. China places great store in the success of the CPEC. If the tactically brilliant ISI assassinate the Khan, Balochistan will boil and China would be extremely annoyed. In the case of Balochistan, the PA/ISI would not do anything without consulting the Chinese masters, IMHO.

The original plan did call for a large part of CPEC to run through interior of occupied Balochistan, but the revised corridor has been shifted substantially eastwards. The only part through Balochistan would be the Karachi-Gwadar coastal "highway". Compared to the near impossible situation of policing the initial CPEC, this should be relatively easier to manage and control, given it's proximity to the coast.

In my opinion, Pakis being Pakjabis have (non)sensed that CPEC may be the god-sent excuse to implement their own "final solution" vis-a-vis that Baloch issue Operation Searchlight. On the pretext of battling terror and safeguarding Paki "economic interests" and sovirginity they will renew attempts to assassinate key Baloch figures and draw insurgents out into the open..not too different from what rangers are doing in Karachi. Raise the RAW bogey, then go after the RAA agints and if they protest, label them anti-Pakistan and anti-Islam.

This is not to say that China would not have had a hand in this, but to me it appears to be another product of the minds who spawned all the previous incarnations of "tactical brilliance". Perhaps with the US-Iran rapprochement they sense that US may not be as "supportive" of the Baloch as before.

habal · Post by **habal** » 21 Jul 2015 11:59

Peregrine wrote: The Iranians have built the Pipe Line from the Gas Field to the Iran-Pak Border but Pakistan does not have the Money to build a Pipe Line from the Border with Iran to the Pakistani Points of use.

Cheers

pakistan doesn't have any money.It's coffers are empty as an empty vessel. The pakistani 'reserves' are exclusively loans from IMF/WB/ADB to be paid back with interest.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 21 Jul 2015 12:09

Falijee wrote:'Deep State' Buddies Come To Kammundu's Rescue In BB Case

Musharraf close to acquittal in BB case: lawyer

ISLAMABAD: The lawyer of former president retired General Pervez Musharraf thinks the general is inching closer to his acquittal in the Benazir Bhutto murder case as the prosecution is struggling to produce the last witness against him[*].

Advocate Ilyas Siddiqui, who is representing Mr Musharraf, claims that both Mr Shah and Mr Cheema did not utter a single word against their former boss, Mr Musharraf, in their testimonies.

“They disowned the statements attributed to them by the FIA,”[*] he said, adding: “The prosecution could declare them hostile witnesses but it didn’t.”

What can Mr. Shah and Mr. Cheema say, when they know all along that the clinching piece of evidence is the sunroof lever! The prosecution is struggling to find the SUV and locate the sunroof lever that BB was riding in.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 21 Jul 2015 12:24

Kashi wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Gagan, my reading is China is pressurizing Pakistan to resolve the Balochistan issue since Gwadar and significant routes through Balochistan are anchors for the success of the CPEC. China places great store in the success of the CPEC. If the tactically brilliant ISI assassinate the Khan, Balochistan will boil and China would be extremely annoyed. In the case of Balochistan, the PA/ISI would not do anything without consulting the Chinese masters, IMHO.
The original plan did call for a large part of CPEC to run through interior of occupied Balochistan, but the revised corridor has been shifted substantially eastwards. The only part through Balochistan would be the Karachi-Gwadar coastal "highway". Compared to the near impossible situation of policing the initial CPEC, this should be relatively easier to manage and control, given it's proximity to the coast.

In my opinion, Pakis being Pakjabis have (non)sensed that CPEC may be the god-sent excuse to implement their own "final solution" vis-a-vis that Baloch issue Operation Searchlight. On the pretext of battling terror and safeguarding Paki "economic interests" and sovirginity they will renew attempts to assassinate key Baloch figures and draw insurgents out into the open..not too different from what rangers are doing in Karachi. Raise the RAW bogey, then go after the RAA agints and if they protest, label them anti-Pakistan and anti-Islam.

This is not to say that China would not have had a hand in this, but to me it appears to be another product of the minds who spawned all the previous incarnations of "tactical brilliance". Perhaps with the US-Iran rapprochement they sense that US may not be as "supportive" of the Baloch as before.

Chinese MO in these matters is forced settlement to tilt the demographies. Pukis are probably attempting to do this - help move poor, unemployed pakjabis and Sindhi youth to Balochistan for various projects and have them settle there. However, Pukistan is on a renewed quest to solve their domestic "disturbances" in Karachi and in Balochistan. It is very possible that Cheen has put domestic peace and tranquility as a condition for actually committing the promised investments. Otherwise, it does not make sense as to why PA is over stretching itself into Karachi for example.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Jul 2015 12:25

Kashi wrote:The original plan did call for a large part of CPEC to run through interior of occupied Balochistan, but the revised corridor has been shifted substantially eastwards.

Kashi, there are three corridors within Pakistan, all starting from Gwadar and joining somewhere north of Peshawar and then onwards to GB. The Eastern corridor (that you have alluded to) would be the first one to be taken up and that has the most minimal route through Balochistan (only Gwadar-Karachi, as you say). The other two corridors, which would also be taken up in due course, have significant Balochistan sections.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Jul 2015 12:33

schinnas wrote: It is very possible that Cheen has put domestic peace and tranquility as a condition for actually committing the promised investments. Otherwise, it does not make sense as to why PA is over stretching itself into Karachi for example.

schinnas, very true. The Chinese have enough experience on projects within Pakistan. Everybody knows the situation too (no rocket science). Besides, Karachi-Gwadar is what the Chinese believe is the crucial link in the Eastern Corridor that is being prioritized. Zerb-e-Azb, and the engineered split in TTP when the Emir of the Punjab Chapter of the TTP, Asmatullah Muawaiya, announced in August, 2014 that his group was giving up attacking the state and turning to fighting external threats and doing tableegh all fall into place (apart from, of course, the Afghan denouement). PA wants to drive away the 'bad Taliban' and keep the others as PA-pasand, especially in the Punjab which will carry the burden of CPEC's eastern corridor.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 21 Jul 2015 12:38

Yesterdin, I was watching a Baki video where the subject was discussed. The Baloch or was it the Pathan from KP on the panel commented that the three corridor plan was a sham. The *preferred* corridor would be built and the others two were on the map just to fool the public (Keep folks in other provinces engaged/hopeful and opposition in control) and would be abandoned as soon as the *preferred* route was completed. His argument was that why would the Chinese build three at additional cost when one would suffice for their needs.

Such is the politics of bakistan. Makes sense.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Jul 2015 12:43

pankajs wrote:The Baloch or was it the Pathan from KP on the panel commented that the three corridor plan was a sham. The *preferred* corridor would be built and the others two were on the map just to fool the public and would be abandoned as soon as the *preferred* route was completed. His argument was that why would the Chinese build three at additional cost when one would suffice for their needs.

I would generally agree with that kind of perfidious Pakistani behaviour. What is Pakistan if it does not cheat its own people? The only persuading reason is that Balochistan has a lot of natural resources and one of the Chinese aims is to plunder other countries' wealth anyway. There is no wealth in the Punjab and only a little in the Sind.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 21 Jul 2015 12:49

MJ Akbar at Manthan India, April 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmWYyLiOd6s

Christine Fair at Manthan India, April 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWuNXvvaLsQ

Apologies if posted earlier.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 21 Jul 2015 15:10

Indian army warns Pakistan of 'unexpected damages'

Amid rising tension on the border, the Indian Army has warned Pakistan of ‘unexpected damages.’

“There are certain elements across the border who want to create trouble on the Line of Control … we have to give them certain unexpected damage to so that they don’t repeat it in future,” said Lieutenant General KH Singh, who commands the 16 Corps, according to NDTV.

Cheers

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 21 Jul 2015 17:51

JE Menon wrote:MJ Akbar at Manthan India, April 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmWYyLiOd6s

Christine Fair at Manthan India, April 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWuNXvvaLsQ

Apologies if posted earlier.

JEMJi, excellent videos, thx for posting. Needless to say, Fair didi was super. Time constraints preveted me from watching the entire clip, and also because, I, like most of us here know most of the issues she is discussing, but was there any dork in the audience, like the guy in the show hosted by WKK Sudeendra Kulkarni who asked if "Hindu right" will use Fair didi's analysis to whip up anti-Muslim sentiments (or something to that effect)? From a sampling of the questions, the audience seemed pretty well informed and appreciated what she had to say.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 21 Jul 2015 18:54

JE Menon wrote:MJ Akbar at Manthan India, April 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmWYyLiOd6s

Thanks!

Per MJ Akbar we are in the midst of World War IV (World War III was the cold war). The boundaries of the conflict are from India's western border to Morocco.

Islam never provided the means to put together a nation; even while the Prophet's body was still warm, political fighting (Shia-Sunni) occurred. The politics of "Islam in Danger" started soon after the sack of Delhi by Nadir Shah, and continued all the way to the separate electorates in 1906 and Partition. Pakistan is the first Islamic state in history, Taliban-Afghanistan is the second, Boko Haram is the third, ISIL is only the fourth. We should not underestimate the threat posed by WW IV. etc., etc.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 21 Jul 2015 19:21

CRaMs
Haven't watched it all yet. There were one or two obnoxious uncles so far (1:15 hrs), but that's it.

A_Gupta,

I think MJ Akbar is a true son of India. Very few intellectuals of his calibre. Sure there are things here and there where we can disagree with him, but we can't dispute either his scholarship or his highly refined sense of objectivity.