Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack

[UlanBatori]

Just hit a Pak convoy in the Khyber. No will even hear of it. Just make sure the Kommandoo gets it first.

[niran]

This captured piglet is claiming to be 16 years old. As being a non-citizen of India Will he get into a juvenile detention?

fikar naat Sir, that juvenile rubbish has been modified by Supreme Court judges, since 8 months ago those from 15 years of age committing crimes can be tried as an adult pending the presiding judge discretion.

[vasu raya]

would it make more sense to put them through military courts than the torturous civil justice system?

[shiv]

The ends of the long bones of the body (legs and arms) on doing X rays show clear evidence of "growth plates" or epiphyseal plates which can pretty much narrow down a the age of a person under 20 to a fairly accurate figure. It is easy to tell whether someone is less than 16, 16-18, 18-20 or over. X Rays of knees, ankles, shoulder/wrist etc and an couple of X rays of the balls "simply for Hindus to have fun with a jihadis balls" should tell us a lot

I actually studied this stuff in 1974 - so I had to do a random Google to recall. I see no reason to doubt this data. I expect doc Gakakkad will have some inputs here

Femur:
The 3 epiphyses/growth plates at upper end fuse at 18years
The 1 epiphysis/growth plate at lower end fuse at 20 years

Tibia:
Upper end fuses at 16-18 years
Lower end fuses at 15-17 years

Humerus:
Upper end during 20th year
Lower end at about 16 years

Radius:
Upper end during 18th year
Lower end at 20 years

[Guddu]

Read the statement by Hon HM, there was no mention of befitting reply. Reminds me of the case of the dog that did not bark, from sherlock holmes. I have full respect for Rajnath singh, not implying disrespect...

[AjayKK]

Just hit a Pak convoy in the Khyber. No will even hear of it. Just make sure the Kommandoo gets it first.

Haji UB, doej no Pakistan airliner fly to Ulaanbaatar? Or Malaysia?


Udhampur attack mastermind Abu Qasim carried out similar attacks in the past: Jammu and Kashmir Police

http://www.firstpost.com/india/udhampur ... 81826.html

Jammu: A south Kashmir-based Lashkar-e-Taiba commander, Abu Qasim, who masterminded the attack on an army convey in which eight Indian army soldiers were killed in June 2013, is allegedly the mastermind of Wednesday's attack in Udhampur, that left two BSF soldiers dead and 10 others injured. Eight soldiers were killed and 16 others injured when two militants attacked an army convoy on 24 June, 2013 near Hyderpora on the city’s outskirts, a day before former Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi were to visit the troubled region.

Abu Qasim, Lashkar-e-Taiba's divisional commander for south Kashmir, is believed to be operating in the forests of Kulgam and Shopian, and has carried out similar attacks in the past, according to intelligence sources. The Jammu and Kashmir Police has announced a bounty on his head.

Mohammad Naved has reportedly told investigators in Udhampur that they met Pakistani national Qasim in south Kashmir’s Kulgam forests, where they were instructed to board a truck and proceed towards Jammu. The police had earlier said the terrorists belonged to Pakistan’s Faisalabad area, and had sneaked into Jammu and Kashmir around 12 days ago.

According to sources, Naved — allegedly Pakistani , although the country has denied the claim — who along with Mohammad Nomen, the terrorist who was killed in the attack, had first crossed the LoC in Kupwara, but returned to their launchpad in PoK after their contact failed to receive them. Finally, according to sources in intelligence agencies, Naved and three others infiltrated from Uri in north Kashmir, and travelled to the Kulgam area where Qasim received them.

“They must have stayed in the forest areas of Kulgam before boarding a truck heading to Jammu. But primary information suggests that the two attackers stayed in the tourist resort area of Patnitop, before launching the attack on Wednesday,” sources said and added, “The truck driver must have dropped them a kilometre from Narsunala, the site of the attack.”

Naved was captured in Chirdi village by local residents when he took two locals hostage. When he was caught, he denied belonging to any terror outfit, and later told villagers that he “enjoyed killing Hindus”.

“I am from Pakistan and my partner was killed in the firing but I escaped. Had I been killed, it would have been Allah’s doing. There is fun in doing this … I came to kill Hindus,” Naved had said.

A five-member National Investigation Agency (NIA) team from Delhi has already arrived in Jammu to question him. The NIA will be taking over the investigation of the Udhampur terror attack.

During the course of his interrogation, Naved also revealed that he was part of a four-member group that sneaked into the Kashmir Valley. After Nomen was killed during the attack, Naved had tried to escape to more densely populated civilian areas.

[SBajwa]

by Gagan
He is really lucky to be alive. He didn't die from the beating or a possible lynching!

Villagers are smart enough to understand that a alive terrorist is more important than a dead one.

[SBajwa]

Check the video of the Village Defense committee that captured this piglet

[ramana]

Just hit a Pak convoy in the Khyber. No will even hear of it. Just make sure the Kommandoo gets it first.

Haji UB, doej no Pakistan airliner fly to Ulaanbaatar? Or Malaysia?


Udhampur attack mastermind Abu Qasim carried out similar attacks in the past: Jammu and Kashmir Police

http://www.firstpost.com/india/udhampur ... 81826.html

Jammu: A south Kashmir-based Lashkar-e-Taiba commander, Abu Qasim, who masterminded the attack on an army convey in which eight Indian army soldiers were killed in June 2013, is allegedly the mastermind of Wednesday's attack in Udhampur, that left two BSF soldiers dead and 10 others injured. Eight soldiers were killed and 16 others injured when two militants attacked an army convoy on 24 June, 2013 near Hyderpora on the city’s outskirts, a day before former Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi were to visit the troubled region.

Abu Qasim, Lashkar-e-Taiba's divisional commander for south Kashmir, is believed to be operating in the forests of Kulgam and Shopian, and has carried out similar attacks in the past, according to intelligence sources. The Jammu and Kashmir Police has announced a bounty on his head.

Mohammad Naved has reportedly told investigators in Udhampur that they met Pakistani national Qasim in south Kashmir’s Kulgam forests, where they were instructed to board a truck and proceed towards Jammu. The police had earlier said the terrorists belonged to Pakistan’s Faisalabad area, and had sneaked into Jammu and Kashmir around 12 days ago.
{Doesn't this put it around same time as the Gurdapur trio crossed over? The J&K Police should question what he knows about the Gurdaspur trio.}


According to sources, Naved — allegedly Pakistani , although the country has denied the claim — who along with Mohammad Nomen, the terrorist who was killed in the attack, had first crossed the LoC in Kupwara, but returned to their launchpad in PoK after their contact failed to receive them. Finally, according to sources in intelligence agencies, Naved and three others infiltrated from Uri in north Kashmir, and travelled to the Kulgam area where Qasim received them.

“They must have stayed in the forest areas of Kulgam before boarding a truck heading to Jammu. But primary information suggests that the two attackers stayed in the tourist resort area of Patnitop, before launching the attack on Wednesday,” sources said and added, “The truck driver must have dropped them a kilometre from Narsunala, the site of the attack.”

{if they were carrying weapons did the truck driver alert police or is in cahoots with terrorists?}


Naved was captured in Chirdi village by local residents when he took two locals hostage. When he was caught, he denied belonging to any terror outfit, and later told villagers that he “enjoyed killing Hindus”.

“I am from Pakistan and my partner was killed in the firing but I escaped. Had I been killed, it would have been Allah’s doing. There is fun in doing this … I came to kill Hindus,” Naved had said.

A five-member National Investigation Agency (NIA) team from Delhi has already arrived in Jammu to question him. The NIA will be taking over the investigation of the Udhampur terror attack.
{ goes into NIA black hole. So far nothing has been investigated to prosecution. All cases pending with NIA.}


During the course of his interrogation, Naved also revealed that he was part of a four-member group that sneaked into the Kashmir Valley. After Nomen was killed during the attack, Naved had tried to escape to more densely populated civilian areas.

{So better to go look for the missing duo ASAP}

[A_Gupta]

I know the general theory is that if India launches covert operations against Pakistan in retaliation for Pakistan's terrorist attacks, then eventually Pakistanis will shalwar-shiver and stop attacking. This is a long-term stable equilibrium, I fully agree, but I'm curious what happens in the short term.

If India's covert actions are indeed quite covert, and difficult to trace back to India, what is the immediate effect on Pakistan? Do they probe some more trying to establish a correlation between their attacks and the unexplainable seemingly accidental- or seemingly from their own jihadis - nasty events that happen on their side? So e.g., would the short-term effect be an upsurge in attacks on India? Or what?

Do tell.

[Guddu]

How do we know that this is not a tit for tat, pakis might be in pain and retaliating.

[Gagan]

The whole idea is to stop Pakistan using terrorism as a tool.

So whatever steps India or the US or china takes, has to be directed towards Pakistan stopping it. Weather it is terrorism directed towards the Pakistan Military Elite / retired armymen, counter terrorism, economic or political measures, the bottom line is to dissuade them, make it increasingly unsustainable for them to continue with terror.

[A_Gupta]

The whole idea is to stop Pakistan using terrorism as a tool.

So whatever steps India or the US or china takes, has to be directed towards Pakistan stopping it. Weather it is terrorism directed towards the Pakistan Military Elite / retired armymen, counter terrorism, economic or political measures, the bottom line is to dissuade them, make it increasingly unsustainable for them to continue with terror.

No disagreement, and I agree that effective covert actions by India will eventually lead to Pakistan seeing a lousy cost/benefit ratio for sponsoring terrorism, and at that point, they will desist.

What I'm interested in is what happens in between. I don't think there is one single action by India that is going to get Pakistan to desist. There is some intermediate period during which they go through denial, anger, bargaining, depression, etc., about their jihadi policy before coming to acceptance that they have to abandon it. What do we expect to happen during that intermediate period? e.g., a temporary escalation of terrorism? e.g., to try to convince India that Indian policy will not work?

[habal]

US is not an excuse for inaction, because if and when GoI is sincere for action we have bypassed US and dealt directly with Israel who supported a western air flank. US doesn't matter if India decides to act other than them leaking info to Pakistan.

[fanne]

US is mere an excuse for non action. I don't think they have mattered in any decisive action.

[Gagan]

China is asking massa for help in stopping Xinjiang terrorism.
Surely it knows that massa is at the prospect of Han chinese at the receiving end of the attention of its deeper than oceans friend.

China used its veto power to save Lakhvi at the UN. Lakhvi is the guy who was telling fahdulla during 26/11 not to be captured alive, keep the phone on.

[Gagan]

Congress I has a myriad of excuses for inaction.
They have sat on problems and let them grow until they've become big and menacing.
Everything from Punjab Terror, J&K problems, NE problems and the Maoist thing is because the congi center sat on these things. There was no nipping in the bud.

Over a period of time, all these groups realized that getting the center's attention was best done with a terror strike and creating a law and order problem. Then Cong would rush someone like MSA to mollycoddle and do a payoff.

Also once a group has a significant hold in an area, cong would try to co-opt it for political gains to itself.

That is Cong 101 on dealing with issues.

[A_Gupta]

So here's my imagination, on a Corpse Commander meeting, after they receive some intelligence, possibly highly ambiguous, that India has covertly hit some asset of theirs. There are many possible responses.

1. The Holy Books predict that the kafir will respond this way, but if we continue on our path, Allah will grant us victory.

2. India has only limited covert capabilities in Pakistan, so let's plug those holes, and then what do they do?

3. There is a potentially unlimited supply of disaffected MQM, Sindhis & Baluchis that India can exploit. It is not so simple (in response to 2.)

4. Further Islamization and intense pointing-of-fingers at India in the media will pretty much limit the assets India can gather (in response to 3.)

5. India will take time to build up its covert assets, in the meantime, if we behave as though these covert attacks do not bother us, if we intensify our jihad, then India will abandon this new policy.

6. Yes, and while we intensify our jihadi attacks, we can also have the Aman ki Asha allies across the border lament the possibility of all this escalating to nuclear war, and demand talks with Pakistan.

7. We have absorbed enough attacks on our assets by the jihadis that got angry with us, so what is the difference, now that it is India?

8. Let's build the opposition in India to Indian covert operations in Pakistan.

9. Whatever we are thinking here, in public, we should be business-as-usual, no show of any loss of confidence or change in our strategy, to keep the rank-and-file confident in our leadership.

10. We've kept some new missiles from China in reserve to "test-fire" to keep public confidence in us high. Time to take them out of their packaging?

11. Modi/Doval will not be able to sustain this policy.

12. Maybe we slow down now, till Modi/Doval are out of office? But have to keep our jihadis happy in the meantime, hmm,.....

etc., etc., etc.

The above will change eventually, if India sustains its actions against Pakistan.

[Prem]

Check the video of the Village Defense committee that captured this piglet

The martyred Jawan was just married. Notice the Churra his bride is wearing.

[Prem]

If possible, We need to quietly take one of their Navy ship out , hopefully with few hundreds sailors.

[Gagan]

The martyred Jawan was just married. Notice the Churra his bride is wearing.

Very Sad

[Prem]

Paki have lost their brain 900% and run out of ideas. This man from defeated Paki Fauj says openly Paki are reviving Khalistani movement with the help of Canadian & Ukwaals. The failure in Gurdaspur and Udhampur have rattled them.

http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-SecondKas ... 479164.cms

[Gagan]

Baap re, NIA should immediately recruit Arnab Goswami and put him in the interrogation teams !!!!!!!!

The pakistani guests must be happy that the program ended when it did. Otherwise they were about to confess that they were responsible for all the crimes commited by their nation.

[shiv]

A couple of days ago a retd Indian Army oficer quoted CFair and pointed out that Pakistani generals do not mind losing. They fear lack of action and will do anything to appear like they are acting boldly.

I agree with that psy-assessment of Paki generals. But where I get a mental block is the response. I would like to see Pakis being hit hard and openly because that would make us all feel better. But, as the assessment goes, losing of getting beaten will not be an issue for Paki generals - it will give them something more to whine about ad "act" about in future. The death of 50 or 200 jihadis will not cause them much distress.

Pending the ultimate defanging of the Paki army there must be something that will make them feel real pain. I expect that military intel and the NSA will have a better idea than me about this.

[RoyG]

It's been just over a year of Modi. Restarting CIT-X and J like outfits along with starting and nurturing relationships with secessionist movements within Pakistan will take time. Pakistan is just doing this to score a few points before they get blitzed. They know something is coming.

[A_Gupta]

ABut, as the assessment goes, losing of getting beaten will not be an issue for Paki generals - it will give them something more to whine about ad "act" about in future. The death of 50 or 200 jihadis will not cause them much distress.

Loss of jihadis not via martyrdom while fighting the kafirs can make more jihadis harder to come by.
Please do note that "distress to Paki generals" is only a potential peripheral benefit of whatever the successful strategy turns out to be; the one goal is to stop terrorists attacks in India; the second goal is to stop terrorist attacks against Indian interests abroad.

[RajeshA]

A couple of days ago a retd Indian Army oficer quoted CFair and pointed out that Pakistani generals do not mind losing. They fear lack of action and will do anything to appear like they are acting boldly.

I agree with that psy-assessment of Paki generals. But where I get a mental block is the response. I would like to see Pakis being hit hard and openly because that would make us all feel better. But, as the assessment goes, losing of getting beaten will not be an issue for Paki generals - it will give them something more to whine about ad "act" about in future. The death of 50 or 200 jihadis will not cause them much distress.

Pending the ultimate defanging of the Paki army there must be something that will make them feel real pain. I expect that military intel and the NSA will have a better idea than me about this.

The issue in Pakistan (and Islam) is never about whether or not to attack India (and Hindu). The issue is one of who has the more determination and capability to do so. That is what gets sawab.

The point we need to make is that if Pakistani generals continue to attack India, they risk showing the Islamists that they are not the most capable party to take on India, and thus they stand to lose all the respect among their Islamists comrades. It is that fear, that can motivate the Pakistani Army to change its ways.

It is the responsibility of Paki generals to look for excuses for not attacking India. They can use distractions elsewhere as excuses, or they can play along with India by sending Jihadis over but also giving intelligence on them, so that they can be halaaled. That is a deal India can offer them. I don't really think that anybody in Islam really has the standing to change Jihadi ways towards non-believers.

Either the Paki Army takes the deal, can put up an anti-India rhetoric, but lets its Jihadis be halaaled, or the main Jihadi families and elite families would soon find out that sooner than they know it, they would be finished off, to some extent by Indians and to some extent by Jihadi themselves. They themselves need to know how to calibrate this thing and keep the flame of war low in order to survive.

[Falijee]

Gurdaspur Terror Attack - Tough Talk From Vikram Sood

Demanding release of suspects or complaining to the world will just not work. The only response has to be equal and immediate, if possible, or at least at a moment and place of our choosing. In the real world, others respect a country that defends its interests relentlessly.

We must accept that terror will never end. We mistake a decline in terrorist incidents to mean terror has subsided or the reverse is assumed to be true. Peace is a tactic for Pakistan and today, ironically, it wants to sit at the table accusing India of terrorism against them. Pakistan for decades sheltered and encouraged Sikh terrorists and nurtured Islamic terrorists against India

Today, one reads reports that the Islamic State seems to have declared India as its next target, if some recent American publications are to be believed. If true, the IS will use Pakistan and its jihadi hordes (whose primary aim is to launch what some of them call Ghazwa e Hind),[*][/b]as their base. Besides, Pakistan will get an alibi. In the process, however, Pakistan will have moved from being a Deep State to becoming an ultra-radical Salafist Islamic State. This is Pakistan’s vulnerability and it is longer a choice it can make.

[*] [/b]: If you keep (Islamic) snakes in your back yard, then expect them to bite you

[asgkhan]

http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/fro ... 44860.html

Here are the main points of his Interrogation Report (IR) accessed by a leading daily, The Indian Express:-

Naved is the son of Mohammad Yaqoob, who is a manual labourer.

He started helping his family after dropping out of school due to poverty.

Naved came in contact with the LeT in 2011.

He was motivated by one 'Bashir' in Faisalabad to join Lashkar.

Bashir took him to a Lashkar office in Faisalabad in 2011.

He underwent 21 days of training at the Gari Habibullah training camp of Lashkar.

He returned home after completion of his training, but stayed in touch with Bashir who further motivated him to go to Muzaffarabad for three months arms training.

In August/ September 2014, he was taken to Shavai Nallah training camp of Lashkar for three- month arms training.

He was imparted training in handling AK-47, pistol and grenade throwing.

Naved was summoned for the J&K operation in March 2015, says the IR.

Naved was called by Lashkar commanders to another camp, Forward Kahutta, and kept there till he was sent to J&K.

The IR says Naved was one of the 4 LeT operatives who were sent across on the J&K mission.

The four crossed over in the Gulmarg sector, “right from Noori post,” says IR.

After walking for seven days, the four reached Baba Reshi near Gulmarg.

They crossed the Line of Control on June 3.

On their way to J&K, one “Khurshid” acted as their guide and helped them cross the LoC and then took them to Baba Reshi.

In Baba Reshi, they were received by Lashkar commander Ubaid, also a Pakistani national.

On June 9, they were taken in a truck to Chursoo in Awantipora.

In Chursoo, the four terrorists stayed at the house of brothers Fayaz Ahmad Wani and Javaid Ahmad Wani, who were arrested later.

The group stayed at Chursoo for two days, before being split.

Naveed then headed for Khrew, where the Lashkar’s alleged South Kashmir commander Abu Qasim, Doujana and Talha met him at a jungle hideout.

Naved stayed at the Khrew hideout for 45 days.

From Khrew, Naveed was taken to “Kakpora near Pulwama, where they met two local contacts - Mantri and Tanna (Tanvir) - who gave them logistical support.

Mantri and Tanna, both arrested, would ferry the militants around in his car.

Tanna took Doujana and Naved to Srinagar.

Naved was dropped at a petrol pump at the entrance of Srinagar city where he saw a river on the other side of the road.

He was dropped at Pathachowk. Tanna took Doujana to Lal Chowk where he collected 5 lakh rupees from somebody.

Naved returned to Kakpora where he spent two days with an alleged local Lashkar militant, Talib.

Doujana then took Naved to Khudwani in Kulgam district (south Kashmir).

At the time Naved was sent to Khrew, Noman had allegedly been taken to Anantnag.

Naved said that Abu Qasim, Talha and another Lashkar militant, Hamza, came to Fayaz’s house and stayed there for six days. An alleged local Hizbul Mujahideen militant, Majid Zargar, reportedly also visited them.

Qasim divulged the plan for an attack in Udhampur on August 3.

Naved and Noman left Khudwani at 1 pm in the truck on August 4.

On August 5, they left Tamatar morh at around 3.30 am and reached Narsoo Nallah, Sarmoli, where the truck driver dropped them near a dhaba.

At about 7 am, Noman saw a BSF convoy coming from Jammu side. They took out their AK-47 rifles and hand grenades and came out on either side of the road and opened fire at the convoy vehicles.

After Noman died, Naved panicked and began running for his life. He was later overpowered by the local villagers and handed over to the security forces.

All the pigs who helped these two pakis will be sh!tting bricks. I am very confident that intelligence agencies and the cops will string up all the players by their thumbs. Good job by the interrogators in getting info out of the p!g.

[Gagan]

So he is indeed singing like a koel...

[ramana]

Gagan, Is there a map that shows all those places mentioned?

[Gagan]

Yes ramana ji I will try to put them all on a map.
These are all adjoining the valley and some outside the main valley.

So all the 5-6 people arrested must be singing like koels all in chorus too.
Bad news for Abu Qasim AoA

[Gagan]

Udhampur terror attack: Hafiz Saeed's son Talha mastermind, claims captured terrorist
The fruit didn't fall very far from the tree hain?

[ramana]

Gagan, There is a Sunday Guardian article published 8/9/2015 that has lead article saying AD has decided to head hunt the terrorists in J&K. Identifies all sort of terrorists sitting in J&K.

Looks like lot of them came over during the elections time.

[vaibhav.n]

Udhampur terror attack: Hafiz Saeed's son Talha mastermind, claims captured terrorist
The fruit didn't fall very far from the tree hain?

Its a family enterprise....His son controls ops from Muzaffarabad and son-in-law from Muridke.

[vaibhav.n]

As usual local kashmiri journos with juicy details!!

On May 27, the group comprising Naveed and Noman (the militant who died in the encounter at Samroli on August 5), besides Ukasha and Mohammad Bhai, both from Khyber Pakhtunkhwah area of NWFP, set off from Halan. On June 2, it crossed into Gulmarg sector of Kashmir after cutting the fencing at Fajja Top.

With the help of GPS, the group reached Babarishi Gulmarg on June 7. On the same day, a Kashmiri militant of LeT, Ashiq Hussain Bhat alia Obaida of Chursu, Awantipora, received the group in Babarishi area. He called Showkat of Khadarmooh village of Pulwama with his tipper to Tangmarg. On June 9, Showkat left for Khadermooh with the four Pakistani militants. However, on learning by phone that the Kashmir-based LeT chief Qasim’s hideout in Khadermooh had been raided by Army, Showkat at Pampore diverted his tipper to Awantipora and delivered the four militants at Chursu. Naveed disclosed that he and other members of his group stayed at the houses of Javed and Fayaz at Chursu, on Srinagar-Jammu highway, for four days before shifting to Kakpora and Khadarmooh villages on Pampore-Pulwama Road.

After staying in Kakpora for three days, Naveed's group shifted to Let's hideout in Khrew forest area and stayed there for 40 days. He claimed that three fresh recruits joined his group there and many of South Kashmir-based militants visited the hideout during the month of Ramzan.

On July 23, tipper driver Naseer of Wuyan picked up five militants-----Naveed, Dujana, Shahin Gulzar, Showkat Lone and Abu Ukasha---- and carried them from Khrew to Kakpora. He droped Naveed and Dujana at Kakapora and took three more of the group towards Pulwama where they were intercepted by police. However, all the five militants managed to escape.

Naveed disclosed that during his group’s stay at Kakpora, he was in company of the local LeT militant Talib Shah who got killed in an encounter with Army and Police at his village in 24 hours of the Samroli fidayeen attack. He and other militants also met an important contact called 'Mantri' who looked after their planning and movement. 'Mantri', Naveed disclosed, runs a bakery. Another contact called Tanna, who is Dujana's "overground worker", arranged the vehicle of one Riyaz of Khaderpora by which Dujana went all the way to Lalchowk in Srinagar to receive money from a shopkeeper. About a week before the Samroli action, Naveed and Dujana were guided from Kakpora to Khudwani village of Kulgam by Tanna and another local militant Hamza. They stayed at the house of one Riyaz who runs a welding shop near the school at Redwani. It was there that they met with the Kashmir chief of LeT, a Pakistani militant most wanted in South Kashmir. While Tanna and Hanza went back to Pulwama, Qasim assigned the group a high profile fidayeen attack in Jammu region.

After six-day stay in Khudwani, during which they also met Talha, Momin alias Kachru, Muzamil and a civilian contact, Feroz Zargar, Naveed disclosed that he, Noman and Majid left for Jammu in a truck of Showkat alias Setha and conductor Khursheed who separately operates his own truck which met with an accident in Jammu about a month back. Khursheed was injured in that accident. Naveed mentioned registration number of Setha's truck as JK13-2586.

He narrated that on August 4, their truck crossed Lower Munda Toll Post at 2.15 pm. At Ramban, he got down and purchased two bags and some eatables. He said that they put up at Tamatar Morh near Kudh for the night after cooking and eating dinner. Early morning they proceeded towards Udhampur and carried out the attack on the BSF convoy at Samroli after taking Namkeen Chai at a wayside restaurant.

[chetak]

As usual local kashmiri journos with juicy details!!

On May 27, the group comprising Naveed and Noman (the militant who died in the encounter at Samroli on August 5), besides Ukasha and Mohammad Bhai, both from Khyber Pakhtunkhwah area of NWFP, set off from Halan. On June 2, it crossed into Gulmarg sector of Kashmir after cutting the fencing at Fajja Top.

With the help of GPS, the group reached Babarishi Gulmarg on June 7. On the same day, a Kashmiri militant of LeT, Ashiq Hussain Bhat alia Obaida of Chursu, Awantipora, received the group in Babarishi area. He called Showkat of Khadarmooh village of Pulwama with his tipper to Tangmarg. On June 9, Showkat left for Khadermooh with the four Pakistani militants. However, on learning by phone that the Kashmir-based LeT chief Qasim’s hideout in Khadermooh had been raided by Army, Showkat at Pampore diverted his tipper to Awantipora and delivered the four militants at Chursu. Naveed disclosed that he and other members of his group stayed at the houses of Javed and Fayaz at Chursu, on Srinagar-Jammu highway, for four days before shifting to Kakpora and Khadarmooh villages on Pampore-Pulwama Road.

After staying in Kakpora for three days, Naveed's group shifted to Let's hideout in Khrew forest area and stayed there for 40 days. He claimed that three fresh recruits joined his group there and many of South Kashmir-based militants visited the hideout during the month of Ramzan.

On July 23, tipper driver Naseer of Wuyan picked up five militants-----Naveed, Dujana, Shahin Gulzar, Showkat Lone and Abu Ukasha---- and carried them from Khrew to Kakpora. He droped Naveed and Dujana at Kakapora and took three more of the group towards Pulwama where they were intercepted by police. However, all the five militants managed to escape.

Naveed disclosed that during his group’s stay at Kakpora, he was in company of the local LeT militant Talib Shah who got killed in an encounter with Army and Police at his village in 24 hours of the Samroli fidayeen attack. He and other militants also met an important contact called 'Mantri' who looked after their planning and movement. 'Mantri', Naveed disclosed, runs a bakery. Another contact called Tanna, who is Dujana's "overground worker", arranged the vehicle of one Riyaz of Khaderpora by which Dujana went all the way to Lalchowk in Srinagar to receive money from a shopkeeper. About a week before the Samroli action, Naveed and Dujana were guided from Kakpora to Khudwani village of Kulgam by Tanna and another local militant Hamza. They stayed at the house of one Riyaz who runs a welding shop near the school at Redwani. It was there that they met with the Kashmir chief of LeT, a Pakistani militant most wanted in South Kashmir. While Tanna and Hanza went back to Pulwama, Qasim assigned the group a high profile fidayeen attack in Jammu region.

After six-day stay in Khudwani, during which they also met Talha, Momin alias Kachru, Muzamil and a civilian contact, Feroz Zargar, Naveed disclosed that he, Noman and Majid left for Jammu in a truck of Showkat alias Setha and conductor Khursheed who separately operates his own truck which met with an accident in Jammu about a month back. Khursheed was injured in that accident. Naveed mentioned registration number of Setha's truck as JK13-2586.

He narrated that on August 4, their truck crossed Lower Munda Toll Post at 2.15 pm. At Ramban, he got down and purchased two bags and some eatables. He said that they put up at Tamatar Morh near Kudh for the night after cooking and eating dinner. Early morning they proceeded towards Udhampur and carried out the attack on the BSF convoy at Samroli after taking Namkeen Chai at a wayside restaurant.

This much of detail is not required and is very suspicious. It looks more like the other militants and supporters of this specific enterprise are being clearly warned of possible impending danger to them along with their extended contacts.

[sum]

^^ I would believe most of them would have been wrapped up within 1-2 days and then all the details released ( instead its the IA/central agencies doing interrogation first and then handing over to JKP).

[shiv]

Was this posted earlier?
Anil Athale saying the exact correct things
Pakistani Punjab must pay the price for terror

he July 27 terrorist attack on a police station near Gurdaspur in Punjab has again focused attention on terrorism emanating from Pakistan. As expected, the shadow of this incident has fallen on the proposed talks between Indian and Pakistani national security advisors scheduled for this month. The reactions on both sides of the Radcliffe Line (the border drawn by the British in 1947) were on predictable lines.

The Indians, based on GPS found, linked the terrorists to Pakistan. The needle of suspicion pointed towards the Lashkar-e-Tayiba or Jaish-e-Mohammad, the two Pakistani Punjab-based terror groups that exclusively target India.

Since this was the first attack in Indian Punjab in 13 years, many saw this as another escalation of the proxy war by Pakistan. There were the usual calls for retaliation and cancellation of talks. There was the usual blame of ‘intelligence failure’ and our failure to ‘seal’ the border.

Pakistan is the world headquarters of conspiracy theories besides being the epicentre of world terrorism. A Pakistani columnist claimed (external link) that the Dinanagar attack was the handiwork of India’s external intelligence agency, the Research and Analysis Wing!

The Pakistani columnist conjured up a picture that paints a scenario that in the no too distant future Kashmir will merge with Pakistan, Khalistan will be a reality and India will break up.

Even for convoluted conspiracy theories this takes the cake! The Pakistani columnist also spectacularly fails to explain how all these objectives could be achieved and what India gained by attacking its own police station and killing its own people. The fact that such columns appear in a ‘sober’ and ‘moderate’ newspaper is an eye opener. One can imagine what must be published in Pakistan’s strident Urdu language press.

In this episode of mindless violence, there may well be a silver lining for India. The police have not revealed the identity of the attackers. If they are not Khalistani supporters and usual LeT cadres, then it will mean that Pakistan has failed in its attempts to revive militancy in Indian Punjab.

But should they turn out to be Khalistani terrorists based in Pakistan, then it would mean that Pakistan wishes to open one more front against India besides Jammu and Kashmir.

Pakistan is currently enjoying a brief lull as the United States cozies up to it for helping its withdrawal from Afghanistan. But unlike in the 1980s, this is limited support, both in duration and depth.

In the 1980s, the Khalistani movement became such a potent threat to India because it was a joint enterprise between the US, the United Kingdom and Pakistan.

People have forgotten how individuals like Devinder Pal Singh Bhullar of the Khalistan Commando Force secured easy asylum in the US at that time. Advertisements even appeared in British newspapers, asking for former special forces operatives to train Khalistani separatists.

With memories of blowback in the form of the 9/11 attacks on the US mainland and the radically altered geopolitical context, where India is a potential ally against China, the US/UK combine is unlikely to re-embark on the course it followed in the 1980s.

As long as that factor remains, mobilising the Sikh Diaspora for destabilisation of Indian Punjab will remain a pipe dream for Pakistan.

But in the interim, we must be ready to face increased terror attacks as Pakistan fully utilises the window of opportunity provided by Uncle Sam anxious to get out of Afghanistan with honour and unlike its departure from Vietnam.

As a student of insurgency and terrorism for 25 years, one thing is very clear to me: India, or for that matter Pakistan, are far too large States to be ‘destabilised’ by such actions.

Countless such attacks have taken place in J&K for the last decade or so, but that has had no major impact on the geo-strategic situation or J&K’s status within the Indian Union. If anyone thinks that such attacks can change the military situation, they are living in a fool’s paradise.

This still leaves the question unanswered: How can India stop these pin pricks and bloodletting?

The first step in dealing with this issue is a clear headed understanding of who carries out these attacks and what their motivation is.

In India, after every attack of such a nature, even serious analysts have linked it to some event or the other. For instance, the present attack has been linked to the meeting the two prime ministers had in Ufa, Russia. Sometimes the attacks have been linked to visits by foreign leaders. The conclusion being that these have some specific objectives.

Analysis of even the most dastardly attack like the 26/11 attacks in Mumbai shows that this is not the case. There was nothing that happened before or was scheduled to happen later that led to those attacks.

Let it be understood clearly once and for all that these attacks are linked to the fact that there are unemployed youth who have nothing better to do. The social conditioning and lack of employment in Pakistan with its runaway population growth is the main cause of this.

In addition, the LeT or Jaish are virtually sarkari groups. They get regular grants from the Pakistan government and are therefore semi-government entities. They also enjoy full support of the Pakistan army since they are seen as strategic assets.

The activities of these Pakistani Punjab-based groups make sure that the relations between India and Pakistan do not improve. This is necessary from the Pakistan army’s view as only then can it continue to rule Pakistan. The India bogey is an existential necessity for the Pakistan army to continue its domination of Pakistani politics.

The civil government indeed wants to curb these groups and thereby reduce the role of the army in the politics of Pakistan. But here the biggest obstacle for the civil government is the popular support these groups enjoy in the all-important province of Punjab.

No elected government can take action against the LeT or JeM since they enjoy popular support in Punjab that contributes to close to 75 per cent of the armed forces, the bureaucracy and the industrial elite.

A cursory look at the who’s who in Pakistan will show how important Punjab is in the Pakistani scheme of things. On their part these two terror groups have made sure that they do not carry out any operations in Punjab.

Is it any surprise that Pakistani Punjab has remained the least affected province as far as terrorism is concerned?

The first operational principle of counter insurgency or counter-terrorism is to drain the ‘swamp’ of public support. Thus, the target for all our counter-terror operations ought to be Pakistani Punjab’s population, not Karachi nor Balochistan.

Till the time Pakistani Punjab does not pay the price for the terror campaign against India, such attacks will continue.

We have to clearly analyse the weak points of the Punjab economy and society to do this. We have tried bus diplomacy, cricket diplomacy, people to people contacts and track II, but failed. There are several ways that the Punjabi elite, middle-class and soldiers and their families can be targeted.

Once we establish clear linkages between the support to terrorism and their misfortune, a process of rethink can begin in Pakistan Punjab.

[ramana]

Folks one of our former members who has RTIed was moved by the picture of the young bride hearing the news of her fallen warrior husband and is going to meet the family and try to help them financially.

If any one is also moved to do something please post in the GDF OT thread.. I will forward the contents to him and you can contact him.
He currently lives in Punjab and is a renowned hakim.

Thanks,
ramana