Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10, 2015

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Aug 2015 04:34

One has to remember that various countries probably enjoy poking India with the Pakistan stick; but unlike the 1980s or 1990s, they don't give Pakistan any credibility. There was a time when Europe and US were not really aware of the Islamic terrorism menace, because it was far from their shores. Now jihadis arise in their midst. They will continue to make politically correct noises even today; but their heart is no longer in it. India should get upset about it much, much, much less than e.g., Israel gets upset by the meaningless resolutions passed by the UN General Assembly.

That is, don't worry about what they say.

What they do, e.g., release IMF funds to Pakistan, is meaningful and should be opposed.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 22 Aug 2015 04:51

Poking India with Pakistan stick was more of a cold war era phenomena since India was not 'aligned' with them. In the post cold war era this tendency went down drastically during the 90's and in the post 9/11 world it is almost non-existent now.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 22 Aug 2015 06:03

This PRC plan to invest $48B in pakistan to build the industrial corridor demonstrates that the Chinese have realized that Pakistan will never be economically self-supporting. If this plan ever fructifies, Pakistan essentially becomes an economic colony and a sweatshop for China.

The Chinese are willing to sink this much money just to keep alive a thorn in India's side. And Pakistan is willing to become an economic colony, 70 years after independence from the British, just to remain 'not India'.

Dhanya ho

Abhay_S · Post by **Abhay_S** » 22 Aug 2015 07:39

Are the talks cancelled?

K Mehta · Post by **K Mehta** » 22 Aug 2015 07:46

friends please don't talk about withdrawing mfn status. that would be an insult to pvnr.
we can start a case at wto, to ensure that mfn is given else baki wto membership is withdrawn. this is possible as per wto charter and hits where it hurts most.
so i request all brfites to promote that line of thought and not the self defeating withdrawing mfn line.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Aug 2015 08:57

Progress on Chinese-funded Muzaffargarh
Coal Power Plant:
http://nation.com.pk/national/22-Aug-20 ... s-attacked

MUZAFFARGARH
More than 200 baton wielded villagers attacked and bashed a survey team which was headed by Engineer Shahid Hussain.

The engineer saved his life by taking refuge behind bushes. Mehmood Kot Police have registered a case against 175 people and were conducting raids to arrest the main cluprits. DPO Muzaffargarh Awais Ahmed Malik said that residents of adjacent areas of proposed coal fired thermal power station were protesting against the project describing it injurious to their health and their agriculture. He said that complete security would be ensured to the staff and labour on the project.

Punjab government has shortlisted six different sites for launching coal-based power projects Qadirabad (District Sahiwal). Two power plants of 660 MW, Bhikhi (District Sheikhupura), Haveli Bahadur Shah (District Jhang), Balloki (District Kasur), Taranda Sawaywala (Rahim Yar Khan) and Mouza Karam Dad Qureshi (District Muzaffargarh).

arun · Post by **arun** » 22 Aug 2015 09:04

Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan tries to dilute agenda of New Delhi meeting between National Security Advisers by roping in issues besides Terrorism. Forum members will recollect that the Statement read out by Foreign Secretaries of India and the Islamic Republic at Ufa was very explicit that the New Delhi meeting between NSA’s was to “discuss all issues connected to terrorism”, nothing more, nothing less. The entire statement on the matter was “1.A meeting in New Delhi between the two NSAs to discuss all issues connected to terrorism.” Click Here for Statement:

Press Release on Talks Between the National Security Advisors of Pakistan and India

(2015-08-21) We are deeply disappointed at the statement of the Spokesperson of India's Ministry of External Affairs, putting forth pre-conditions for official talks to take place with Pakistan at the level of the National Security Advisors.

These talks, which were scheduled to take place on 23 and 24 August, flowed from a decision taken by the two Prime Ministers on 10 July, in the Russian city of Ufa.

This is the second time that India has chosen to go back on a decision mutually agreed upon between the two Prime Ministers, to engage in a comprehensive dialogue, by coming up with frivolous pretexts.

Tension between the two countries had increased alarmingly as a result of frequent violations on the Line of Control and Working Boundary, in the past months. The need of the hour was for the two countries to engage in sincere and serious dialogue to immediately reduce tensions and to undertake the task of normalization of relations, with sincerity and seriousness.

The Pakistan High Commissioner's invitation to the Kashmiri Hurriyat leadership to a reception in honour of the Adviser on 23 August, was very much in keeping with the practice and tradition of the past many years. Pakistan sees no reason to depart from this established practice. After all, the Kashmiri Hurriyat leaders are genuine stakeholders in efforts to find a lasting solution of the Kashmir dispute. For India to refuse to engage in talks with Pakistan on this pretext, is a repeat of what it did when it cancelled the Foreign Secretary level talks that were scheduled to be held on 25 August last year, pursuant to the meeting between the two Prime Ministers in Delhi in May 2014.

For the NSA talks in Delhi, Pakistan had proposed a comprehensive agenda, consistent with the decisions taken by the two Prime Ministers in Ufa, which included discussion on all outstanding issues, including Kashmir, as well as terrorism related matters, and other issues such as religious tourism, release of fishermen and peace and tranquility on the LoC. However, regrettably, the Indian side's desire to restrict the agenda to terrorism related issues only, amounts to a negation of the decisions taken by the two Prime Ministers.

It is not Pakistan that has placed any condition for the talks. In fact, Pakistan has always demonstrated its belief in the dialogue process and is prepared to engage in meaningful talks with India, to resolve all outstanding issues that have bedeviled relations between the two countries, for the past many decades.

Pakistan does not disregard agreements or understandings. It is the Indian side which has reneged on commitments agreed upon between the two Heads of Government in the past year.

Pakistan wishes to reiterate its abiding commitment to promoting a relationship of cordiality and cooperation with all its neighbours, including India, in pursuance of the Prime Minister�s vision of a peaceful neighbourhood.

Islamabad
21 August 2015

MOFA

Our Ministry of External Affairs on the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s attempts to dilute the focus on terrorism during the proposed New Delhi meeting:

Official Spokesperson's response to the statement put out by Pakistan today on the NSA level talks

August 21, 2015

In response to a question on statement put out by Pakistan today on the NSA level talks, the Official Spokesperson stated:

''The statement by the Government of Pakistan today on the NSA level talks with India does not come as a surprise. There has been a pattern to Pakistan's actions after the Ufa Summit and today's position is a culmination of that approach.

At Ufa, the two Prime Ministers agreed on a meeting of the NSAs to discuss all issues connected to terrorism as well as ensure peace and tranquility on the border. Instead, we saw a sharp increase in the unprovoked firings from the Pakistani side and some serious cross border terrorist incidents. The last one, at Udhampur, resulted in the capture alive of a Pakistani national, a matter that would have naturally come up in the NSA level talks on terrorism, to Pakistan's discomfort.

In so far as those talks are concerned, Pakistan took 22 days to respond to the Indian proposal to meet in New Delhi. It then proposed an agenda that was at complete variance with what the two Prime Ministers had agreed upon in Ufa. Together, these two actions indicated its reluctance to go forward with sincerity on the agreed process. Even more significantly, without confirming either the programme or the agenda, the Pakistani High Commissioner invited Hurriyat representatives to consult with the visiting NSA. This provocative action was completely in consonance with Pakistan's desire to evade its commitment at Ufa to engage in a substantive discussion on terrorism.

The Ufa understanding on the talks - read out jointly by the two Foreign Secretaries - was very clear: the NSAs were to meet to discuss all issues connected to terrorism. This was the only agenda set for them by the two Prime Ministers.

The insistence on meeting Hurriyat as a precondition is also a complete departure from the Ufa understanding. India has always held the position that there are only two stake holders in our relationship, not three.

The people of both countries can legitimately ask today what is the force that compels Pakistan to disregard the agreements reached by two elected leaders and sabotage their implementation.

India remains committed to discussing issues with Pakistan peacefully and bilaterally. In fact, we took the initiative to engage at Ufa. But, unilateral imposition of new conditions and distortion of the agreed agenda cannot be the basis for going forward. ''

Ministry of External Affairs

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Aug 2015 09:27

If Pakistan calls Indian action as pre-condition then what is Pakistan's insistence that if it does not meet the Hurriyat then there won't be any talks?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Aug 2015 09:45

Dipanker wrote:Why does India need a "modicum" of support from "international community" anyway? And should India really care? Did India really care about this "international opinion" when it delivered Bangladesh through a cesarean operation on Pakistan?

I agree with you Dipanker. This is the most typical "Log kya kahenge" attitude. We are too worried about our 'false' image. The image of India, IMHO, is that it cannot take a decision because it is shackled by too many self-made constraints. Therefore, when India took some tough decisions, they came as a surprise to many like the Shakti tests. India's tough decisions must be diplomatically explained away as Ms. Indira Gandhi did in 1971. Modi seems to have done a similar exercise already with the US, France, Germany and the UAE. Possibly Japan too.

The time has come to deal a nasty blow to Pakistan but that does not necessarily mean a war. We do not care about world opinion which anyway was never in our favour. We cannot let Pakistan assume a disproportionate position in the region.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 22 Aug 2015 09:47

SSJi do you know who this former diplomat Satyabal Pal who was on TV ever sympathetic to TSP's stance on meeting the rats? As expected, the usual suspects are blaming ModiJi for this impasse, not TSP for its post-Ufa machinations.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 22 Aug 2015 09:51

CRamS wrote:SSJi do you know who this former diplomat Satyabal Pal who was on TV ever sympathetic to TSP's stance on meeting the rats? As expected, the usual suspects are blaming ModiJi for this impasse, not TSP for its post-Ufa machinations.

CRAMS->who cares these guys like the Pakis will be happy only if all Hindus have been eliminated. If show them Sun rise in the East they will say this the West.

Modi has exactly what his supporters and fence sitters in India would have wanted. INC is having a Burnol....

Now, hee never needs to talak. Like Pakis we can fix a meeting, Pakis for H&D will have to meet the Hurriyat and talks will keep getting cancelled. Pakis cannot be seen giving in to India, so chai biscoot etc. stops.

Hurriyat are now being made fools, idiots and paki slaves.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 22 Aug 2015 10:12

Aditya_VJi, I sincerely hope and pray that what you are predicting will indeed be the outcome. Keeping fingers crossed.

ToILet is reporting that the slaves are en route to Delhi to kiss the old fart's back side. Wonder what ModiJi will do? Arrest the scum bags? Once again the traitors withing will scream "murder of democracy", but ModiJi should hang tight.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 22 Aug 2015 10:23

Never, let the scumbags meet the Paki Ambassador. Let them keep doing it, so when Pakis name goes down, their name also goes down.

Modi, us discrediting both Paki and Hurrirats in one go.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Aug 2015 10:25

Traitors will say such things as "Why is mighty India afraid of a few people from Kashmir?" or "The Kashmiris are stakeholders. How can they be denied their inputs?" or "The world's largest democracy restricts indiviual freedom" or the most familiar "This has been going on ever since the Hurriyat was formed by Robin Raphel. Why is India over-reacting after Modi took over?" etc.

But, I do not want the Hurriyatis to be preventive arrested. They must be made to commit the crime. India must announce calling off of talks after the Hurriyatis entered the Pakistani terrorist din at Chaanakyapuri. The Hurriyatis must be arrested when they come out under relevant sections and incarcerated for long periods. Sartaj Aziz must take a late night flight or an early morning one otherwise. A junior desk officer in the MEA must inform the Pakistani embassy of the calling-off of talks.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 22 Aug 2015 10:40

The huriyat scums are not legitimate representative of people and they know this. If they went into election they would have less than 5 seats in assembly. I think talks should still go ahead but pukis must be blasted in the talks as perpetrator or terrorism and needs Indian military boots on its side to prevent it. If it is not possible then was will escalate in our way till the mastermind is not under bars. We should hold b parallel talk with J&K government to send a message. It is about time to ask for entire giltgit and baltistan and Kashmir without any pre-1947 settler in and ask for plebiscite. I don't know why India should keep on feeding this rats any longer than it is now. These guys have mastered the art of milking India over the years. A part of Kashmir should be reserved for pandits and these scumbags should know what are they going to loose if they choose independent or pukis to live with. The condition of independent is uninterrupted access to Russia and central asia and Afghanistan.

If any of these conditions are broken then India will have military option. Lets see what they have to say on it and before putting things on table jwmju and leh are out of dispute and separate states.

arun · Post by **arun** » 22 Aug 2015 10:41

Occasional contributor to newspapers in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan namely Express Tribune, the New Delhi based dark glasses wearing Shivam Vij comes with a Dhimmi like pusillanimous reason to not hold the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to the letter of the Ufa declaration regards New Delhi NSA meeting. Also pulls a fast one that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is right in its demand to dilute the terrorism focus of the proposed New Delhi NSA counts by ignoring point 1 which states “They also agreed on the following steps to be taken by the two sides: 1. A meeting in New Delhi between the two NSAs to discuss all issues connected to terrorism.”.

Anyway, I have not held habitual dark glass wearers, including former Tamil Nadu Chief Ministers M. Karunanidhi and Late M.G. Ramachandran, at anything above a minimal polite level of esteem:

From Ufa to uff: How Modi sarkar is weakening India in front of Pakistan : By saying we won't talk Kashmir, New Delhi is giving Islamabad the excuse to heighten terrorism.

member_29112 · Post by **member_29112** » 22 Aug 2015 11:06

Gagan wrote:I have Dawood's home located on google earth for at least the last 8 yrs ...

Gagan saar, considering the amount of information you have on Pakistan I sometimes wonder whether you live there

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 22 Aug 2015 11:27

We should consider giving The Hurriyat the status of cultural artists and dance troop.

Maybe Geisha or escort service could also be considered.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 22 Aug 2015 11:32

hsrada wrote:
Gagan wrote:I have Dawood's home located on google earth for at least the last 8 yrs ...
Gagan saar, considering the amount of information you have on Pakistan I sometimes wonder whether you live there

gagan is a big YYY agint.....MAD take crash courses from him...who else do u thing ordered the drain to be blown in the commodian ?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 22 Aug 2015 11:51

SSridhar wrote:Traitors will say such things as "Why is mighty India afraid of a few people from Kashmir?" or "The Kashmiris are stakeholders. How can they be denied their inputs?" or "The world's largest democracy restricts indiviual freedom" or the most familiar "This has been going on ever since the Hurriyat was formed by Robin Raphel. Why is India over-reacting after Modi took over?" etc.

But, I do not want the Hurriyatis to be preventive arrested. They must be made to commit the crime. India must announce calling off of talks after the Hurriyatis entered the Pakistani terrorist din at Chaanakyapuri. The Hurriyatis must be arrested when they come out under relevant sections and incarcerated for long periods. Sartaj Aziz must take a late night flight or an early morning one otherwise. A junior desk officer in the MEA must inform the Pakistani embassy of the calling-off of talks.

This "World's largest democracy" part is what confuses me. Yes India is world's largest democracy. Sartaj Aziz is welcome to meet Mufti Mohammad Sayeed, the democratically elected chief minister of J&K. It is the army run tinpot dictatorships which consider random hire-a-politician as true representatives of people. If Hurriyat wants a seat at the table, let them go win an election and prove that they represent the people. This is the basic principle of democracy. Empowering random people with no claim to power and no proof of representation is hallmark of tinpot dictatorship, not democracy.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 22 Aug 2015 13:09

I am just wondering are Modi and Doval playing in Pakis hand by giving so much of importance and publicity to Hurriyat? They are suddenly in so much limelight after a long period and Pak is milking this.

May be they should instruct media to play down this. I am believing somebody in BJP PR is making all the runs to media thinking they are giving publicity to Modi's marksmanship and tough handling. But may be this is not panning out that way.

arun · Post by **arun** » 22 Aug 2015 13:13

X Posted from the “J&K News and Discussion-2015” thread.

Mohammadden separatist Shabir Shah who arrived in New Delhi with intention to meet NSA of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan detained at New Delhi airport.

Let me hope that there is no backsliding as in Jammu & Kashmir when arrested Mohammadden separatists were released from house arrest by the governing BJP / PDP coalition:

Shabir Shah arrives to meet Pak NSA, detained at Delhi airport

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 22 Aug 2015 13:34

Every time a Paki minister comes over, he has to see the local courtesan, the Houri-e-Rat. Question is, should GoI really care about this?

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 22 Aug 2015 13:36

Looking at the timeline of Suhasini haidar, she could well pass off as Sartaj Aziz's spokie.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Aug 2015 14:26

If Pakistan calls the cancellation over meeting the Hurriyat as 'flimsy grounds', isn't it equally flimsy for Pakistan to be adamant on this meeting especially after India has warned specifically and Pakistan's experience of cancellation of the last FS-level meeting on the same 'flimsy grounds'? Granted that the Indians have 'small hearts', why can't the Pakistanis display their 'large dilated hearts'?

Shaktimaan · Post by **Shaktimaan** » 22 Aug 2015 15:01

It seems that Times Now called Dawood's home in Karachi today and his wife picked up. She said he is sleeping. They are running the story now.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 22 Aug 2015 15:31

Hurriyat has made itself completely irrelevant to the political process in Kashmir so how does it matter whether the Pakis meet them or not. Houri-e-Raat is simply that, a courtesan the Paki ministers like to shmooze with everytime they come over. What is really the need for India to make a big deal of it? In fact by making Houri-e-Raat an issue, India ends up bolstering Hurriyat's credentials, India ends up showing that we consider them some form of threat whereas they have long stopped being any substantial factor in Kashmir. If at all, it is the nuts of Indian media that we got to hit for giving them and the Pakis a platform.

It is time to downgrade Houri-e-Raat to a dance group and ignore them.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 22 Aug 2015 16:23

A_Gupta wrote:Progress on Chinese-funded Muzaffargarh
Coal Power Plant:
http://nation.com.pk/national/22-Aug-2015/175-booked-as-surveyors-attacked

MUZAFFARGARH
More than 200 baton wielded villagers attacked and bashed a survey team which was headed by Engineer Shahid Hussain.

The engineer saved his life by taking refuge behind bushes. Mehmood Kot Police have registered a case against 175 people and were conducting raids to arrest the main cluprits. DPO Muzaffargarh Awais Ahmed Malik said that residents of adjacent areas of proposed coal fired thermal power station were protesting against the project describing it injurious to their health and their agriculture. He said that complete security would be ensured to the staff and labour on the project.

Punjab government has shortlisted six different sites for launching coal-based power projects Qadirabad (District Sahiwal). Two power plants of 660 MW, Bhikhi (District Sheikhupura), Haveli Bahadur Shah (District Jhang), Balloki (District Kasur), Taranda Sawaywala (Rahim Yar Khan) and Mouza Karam Dad Qureshi (District Muzaffargarh).

At least the Paki Aam Abduls have one thing in common with the advanced awaams of the First World ! They are aware of the potential pollution/ health hazards of this 'old technology' to produce electricity .

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Aug 2015 16:30

'Dawood purchased property close to Benazir son's house in 2013' - Vijaita Singh, The Hindu

In clinching evidence about presence of underworld gangster Dawood Ibrahim in Pakistan, India is going to tell Pakistan that as recent as 2013, Ibrahim purchased a property in Karachi, close to the residence of Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, son of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto. The Hindu has accessed Ibrahim's dossier, which India is going to hand over during the NSA-level talks.

Apart from this there are nine more properties of Ibrahim that has been identified by the Indian intelligence agencies. The residential property has been purchased as it is strategically located close to Ziauddin Hospital, where Ibrahim could be taken for "medical treatment" as per his need. India has incorporated at least six addresses of Ibrahim in Karachi.

Some of the addresses collected by India are Moin Place, near Abdullah Shah Ghazi, Dargah Road, Clifton, Karachi; 6/A Khyabar Tanzeen, Phase-V, Defence House area; ISI safe house, Margaba Road; P 6/2, Street number-22,House number 29, Islamab

Pakistani establishment must be laughing. They know that the whole world knows about Pakistani perfidy, after Ajmal Kasab, David Headley, OBL in Abbottabad, or Mullah Omar or the top leaders of Taliban in Quetta/Karachi or Naveed etc. They are not concerned about any proof. They will deny everything. Of course, we have to be legally & diplomatically correct. That's all that the property purchase proof or the telephonic evidence by TimesNow will matter. Nothing will shake up the shameless, duplicitous terrorist liars from Pakistan.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 22 Aug 2015 16:30

The govt should go ahead with the talks...people are confusing lack of talks with hard action. 'Jaw jaw" and hard response if they don't measure up need to go together.

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 22 Aug 2015 16:45

Macedonia migrants: Hundreds rush border

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 22 Aug 2015 17:24

TimesNow parading info on D on its channel, moi thinks pigeon gave it to them. I doubt TimesNow is capable to have assets in Pakistan to collect this information including some phone bill and addrsses. mAd pushing buttons onlee.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Aug 2015 17:27

A Reality Check Ahead of NSA-level Talks with Pakistan - Tufail Ahmed, New Indian Express

As India’s national security advisor Ajit Doval and his Pakistani counterpart Sartaj Aziz meet in New Delhi on August 23-24, Indian analysts, who are prone to viewing Pakistan as a state on the brink of collapse, must understand that this view is contrary to facts on the ground. Currently, Pakistan is backed by the world’s most powerful states.

First, with full knowledge of India, the US is arming a jihadist military State on its borders. The US Congressional Research Service, in a report last May, noted that Pakistan has received as much as $20 billion in economic and military assistance in the last 15 years. The US is also giving used weapons from Afghanistan to Pakistan. In the 1990s, Pakistan was close to being declared a state sponsor of terrorism. But now, a practical scenario unfolding in Pakistan’s near future is that Jamaat-ud-Dawa, led by the notorious Hafiz Saeed, will become part of the Pakistani state, much like Hezbollah and Hamas have acquired permanent presence in Lebanon and Gaza.

Second, the strong Saudi-Pakistan relations are well-known. Pakistani military contingents are already rented by Saudis to protect the royal family in lieu of free oil. About 2.2 million Pakistanis working in Saudi Arabia sent $5.6 billion in remittances to Pakistan last year. In 2014, Saudis gave $1.5 billion to Pakistan as a gift. The US-Iran nuclear deal will kick off Saudis’ search for nuclear weapons technology. Saudis will embrace the nuclear Pakistan with new vigour. Last April in Pakistan, Saudi religious affairs minister Abdul Aziz Al-Ammar declared: “Pakistan’s atomic bomb belongs to the world of Islam.” This is despite the fact that Pakistan did not come forward to back the Saudi-led war against Houthi rebels in Yemen. Roznama Jasarat, an Urdu daily, argued: “Saudi Arabia should acquire nuclear technology… against Iran’s expansionist designs.”

Third, Iran’s relations with India are prospering. However, it doesn’t mean that Tehran can allow India to box in Pakistan strategically. Tehran and Islamabad are walking a tightrope in their relationships, as Sunni jihadist groups based in Balochistan could pose a serious security threat to Iran, which in turn, can worsen the Sunni-Shia flashpoint in Pakistan. This was the reason Pakistan did not back the Saudi-led war in Yemen. Speaking in Islamabad on August 13, Iranian foreign minister Javad Zarif stated that Tehran backs “the oppressed people of Palestine and Kashmir” and is “ready to play its role for a peaceful resolution of the Kashmir issue.” With regard to Iran-India relations, Zarif was clear: “Iran cannot offend Pakistan to please somebody.” Fourth, India and Russia will have strong ties in the foreseeable future.

However, as the US-India relations move on to the strategic level, Russia is inching closer to Pakistan. Russian firm, Rostekh, will build a 680-mile gas pipeline from Lahore to Karachi at a cost of $2.5 billion, the largest Russian project in Pakistan since the 1970s. “Our relations with Russia are on an upward trend,” noted Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif in Minsk, on August 11. Russian-Pakistani relations could move into the military sphere. This year, Moscow and Islamabad discussed plans for Pakistan to use Russian engines for the JF-17 Thunder fighter jets. In the past, Russian firms have worked in Muzaffarabad, Multan and Guddu. Fifth, China’s economic and military support for Pakistan — in submarines, nuclear bombs and fighter jets — is too well-known and needs no explanation. During Chinese President Xi Jinping’s visit to Islamabad on April 20-21, a humungous project worth $46 billion was announced to build a rail-pipeline-road corridor from Kashgar in China to Gwadar, potentially transforming Pakistan’s future.

On August 12, 300 officials from both the countries gathered at Karamay in Xinjiang where 20 cooperation agreements worth $1.6 billion, as part of the corridor project, were signed to be implemented in the Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. Economic projects between nations must be welcomed as they benefit people. However, much like a neighbour who begins to behave differently after getting rich, nation-states too begin muscle flexing, a serious international concern with China’s rise. An economically and militarily powerful Pakistan will likely behave more adversarially against Afghanistan and India, as testified by its belligerent behaviour following the 1998 nuclear tests. For India, the key problem is this familiar pattern: attempts for peace talks essentially cause Pakistani-sponsored terror attacks against India. Let’s see some examples. One, AB Vajpayee’s historic Lahore bus diplomacy led to the Kargil war in 1999, arguably the largest jihadist war against India in recent memory. Two, when Pakistani military ruler Pervez Musharraf was engaged in talks under US pressure, his spies were simultaneously planning the deadly November 2008 attacks on Mumbai.

Three, before Nawaz Sharif assumed office in June 2013, he had begun talking of peace with India, which led to the terror attack on the Indian consulate in Jalalabad in August that year. Four, when Sharif expressed readiness to attend Modi’s swearing-in ceremony, the Indian consulate in Herat was attacked in May 2014. Five, soon after the July 10 meet in Ufa, where Modi told Nawaz Sharif he would visit Pakistan next year, terrorists from Pakistan arrived in Gurdaspur district on July 27. The pattern is clear: both under military and civilian governments in Islamabad, attempts for peace talks essentially cause terror attacks against Indian targets.

India’s youths, increasingly knowledgeable about Pakistani terrorism, are impatient and want that Pakistani attacks be fought back. This view is strengthened because India comes across as a weak state, dithering amid terrorism. To counter this view, New Delhi must definitely evolve a way of punishing bad behaviour at a time and place of its own choosing.

To Indian youths: have patience because India is a responsible state and cannot march into foreign territory at every provocation. India’s peaceniks tell: you cannot choose your neighbour. To Indian diplomats and policymakers: learn from how neighbours live in villages; sometimes, you boycott a neighbour’s wedding and at times, you persuade your neighbour to grace your daughter’s marriage; sometimes, a neighbour erects a fence and you do the same; sometimes, you break bread together and at times, you turn away when your neighbour is passing by; at another time, your neighbour encroaches on your land and you break your neighbour’s nose.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 22 Aug 2015 17:28

There is nothing wrong with disclosing these addresses. Give it some thought -- anyone in dirty business has all sorts of "friends". The US governmand included. Making where their son is studying, wife is sleeping, or who came to their wedding public gets a ton of "people" interested. It also raises the cost of doing business. It should be done often. Along with declaring bounties.

If you know about their business network, make it public. People will shy away simply because they dont want to be bothered. I say, issue weekly reports about the state of the fugitives. Your gands might be tied, but a lot of other hands and mouths arent.

On a aide note, the NSA level tamasha has *one* audience (not the NSA meeting, but the public tamasha about it). It is the indian, english media. Thats a compliment to them. But given they deserve this complement, it might be better for them to try looking less like dawoodi enterprises themselves.

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 22 Aug 2015 17:31

Considering that TSP will ignore all evidence of their perfidy, will completely non-cooperate and India has to do all the dirty work of cleaning up the terrorist mess, including the hurryrats all by itself, it is pretty obvious and there is only one thing left to do.

Announce that the problem of terrorism and Kashmir are purely internal issues and are nearly resolved. India has nothing to discuss with any other country over these issues. Handle LoC violations purely militarily, terrorism using law and order agencies and ban the hurryrats and the other assorted separatist andrabies (wannabies).

Other matters such as economic and cultural will be discussed in their respective forums and there is no India-TSP problem anymore.

Time to close this thread and move on.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 22 Aug 2015 17:36

abhijitm wrote:I am just wondering are Modi and Doval playing in Pakis hand by giving so much of importance and publicity to Hurriyat? They are suddenly in so much limelight after a long period and Pak is milking this.

May be they should instruct media to play down this. I am believing somebody in BJP PR is making all the runs to media thinking they are giving publicity to Modi's marksmanship and tough handling. But may be this is not panning out that way.

Not at all. India will be playing the Paki hand by India's ModiJi and BJP and Hindu haters piling it on ModiJi and DovalJi as they are right now instead of the real villains: TSP and its slaves.

I don't subscribe to the notion that the rats are completely irrelevant. Plus there is a principle at stake. They are traitors in open collusion with India's sworn enemy. I would argue they are also the political face of the Paki and other Isalmic terrorists arrayed against India in J&K.

I have spoke to many of my friends here in US who are from the valley, and they tell me that at least in and around the valley, the rats have a decent following, and if the "core issue" were discussed front and center as TSP demands, they can bring people on to the streets. Why do you think TSP humors them? TSP, in a heart-beat, through their proxies like this, and many others in the closet, can be used for propaganda against India.

That is why as a matter of principle, those scum bags must be cut to pieces. Now, in the short term, there will be hic-cups and minor embarrassments as Indian WKKs and ModiJi haters make a big deal, but if India persists with this policy, they can be made totally irrelevant. Right now they are not as irrelevant as many claim. Thus, what BJP is doing is a nationalist thing to do and the right thing to do.

Sen_K · Post by **Sen_K** » 22 Aug 2015 17:38

On NDTV, the great diplomat KC Singh says that Pakistan with it's NSA who has been a foreign minister as well as finance minister can't talk only terror, unlike India where a policeman is masquerading as a NSA. This guy is really going overboard.
BJP's Sambit Patra in reply said 'Im a proud Indian...astonished that Im the only one speaking the language of Indian government. Rest of the panel members' (shekhar gupta, am singhvi and a porki general) language match with Pakistan'. The idiot Nidhi Razdan immediately gets irate and asks him to apologize.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 22 Aug 2015 17:47

On NDTV, the great diplomat KC Singh says that Pakistan with it's NSA who has been a foreign minister as well as finance minister can't talk only terror, unlike India where a policeman is masquerading as a NSA. This guy is really going overboard

Not very surprising. "Ambassador" KC Singh reveals himself as a despicable turd with every passing day, and seems to be the typical politically compromised IFS type. Thinks of himself as a great exbert on pakistan. The recent article by some Indian journo (KP Nayyar?) was also an IFS hit job on Doval which also used similar language and used disparaging terms to put him down.

member_23858 · Post by **member_23858** » 22 Aug 2015 17:55

Tuvaluan wrote:
On NDTV, the great diplomat KC Singh says that Pakistan with it's NSA who has been a foreign minister as well as finance minister can't talk only terror, unlike India where a policeman is masquerading as a NSA. This guy is really going overboard
Not very surprising. "Ambassador" KC Singh reveals himself as a despicable turd with every passing day, and seems to be the typical politically compromised IFS type. Thinks of himself as a great exbert on pakistan. The recent article by some Indian journo (KP Nayyar?) was also an IFS hit job on Doval which also used similar language and used disparaging terms to put him down.

I think Mr KC Singh is holding onto few more days of glory on unbiased indian media

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 22 Aug 2015 18:07

Sen_K, that was posted here: viewtopic.php?p=1889477#p1889477. The most deplorable part of that is the Paki watching the squabble with a smirk on his face. This is the time when India media should be jingoistic and uphold India's interests, but instead, as someone else pointed out you have these dorks think they are like their white colonial masters amused and bemused as two turd world countries go at each other.