Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05, 2015

[Falijee]

Financially Troubled P.C.B Using Third Party (I.C.C ) To Push Their Wet Dreams Of Playing India - Pakistan Series

International Cricket Council’s (ICC) Chief Executive Officer Dave Richardson said the revival of cricketing ties between traditional foes India and Pakistan will give Test matches a much-needed boost.

“Once safety and security issues are addressed, and both parties are satisfied, it will undoubtedly give Test cricket a fillip to see the India-Pakistan series revived,” he said in an interview with The Hindu.

“This is one Test cricket, indeed one of sport’s great rivalries and an iconic series which would generate an enormous amount of publicity for the game, not just in both countries but across the world.”

Some interesting comments :

“Once safety and security issues are addressed, and both parties are satisfied".. There is no safety & security issue in Pakistan. The off again & on again attitude of BCCI & Indian government is keeping the series away. India always act first to cancel or dis- allow establishment of sports relationship with Pakistan. ICC should talk to India first.

While I am a cricket fan & would enjoy a nail biting India Pakistan series, it is foolish to expect cricket alone to be free of political issues. Daily civilians are dying on the border & stopping that is much more important than a test series.

[A_Gupta]

Non-BENIS humor!
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/islamabad/ ... an-says-gm

ISLAMABAD: A delegation of Microsoft led by Microsoft General Manager Seila Serhan for the region North Africa, East Mediterranean and Pakistan (NEPA) on Wednesday called upon State Minister for Information Technology (IT) Anusha Rehman to discuss issues of mutual interest related to development of IT sector in Pakistan.

Note the geographical organization - NEPA!

Anusha Rahman shared with the delegates that Pakistan is rapidly progressing in technological arena. Pakistan is first country in the South Asia Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC), which has initiated and implemented successfully e-office filing system.

[partha]

‘Pakistan poised to rank among top 25 economies by 2025’

It will rank among top 10 in NEPA region though.

[Bhurishrava]

Shouldnt India use the same logic that Pakistan belongs to Africa and Islamic region and therefore should be kicked out of SAARC. In fact, India should create a parallel organisation without Pakistan using the same argument and let SAARC die.

But then the Indian govt has never had any appetite to show the correct finger to the Pigs.

[vasu raya]

we never read about the superhuman ability of the TSP to go nuclear in a matter of one month from POK-2 either from the western or Indian commentators, one can always give it back to them given their penchant to recite 'we are nuclear' everyday

[Vayutuvan]

Non-BENIS humor!

Anusha Rahman shared with the delegates that Pakistan is rapidly progressing in technological arena. Pakistan is first country in the South Asia Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC), which has initiated and implemented successfully e-office filing system.

For just a minute I read it as Akhila Raman.

[Falijee]

Electionerring Paki Style : "Lotta Politician" Waiting For His Gol Gappay

MULTAN (Staff Report) – In a latest picture the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) (ex PPP) senior leader Shah Mehmood Qureshi has been captured waiting for a plate of ‘Gol Gappay’ at local stall in Multan.[*]

[*] What, with recent food horror stories emanating from Pakiland (e.g. bad ginger root cleansed in acid, donkey meat masquerading as beef ), hope someone has cautioned this turncoat politico on the dangers on gorging himself on Paki street food )

[amdavadi]

There was a story few days ago about pigs meat in ice cream....

[Falijee]

Karachi 'water mafia' sucking city's pipelines dry

For years armed gangs have controlled part of the water supply in Pakistan's largest city of Karachi.

The so-called water mafia have stolen millions of dollars worth of water and sold it on the black market.[*]

[*] What is next ? Oxygen rooms built, to breathe unpolluted air

Water traders with 30 to 40 tankers reportedly earn as much as $16,000 a day. [*]

[*] That is a lot of untaxed moolah

One businessman who buys water from illegal dealers said powerful and well-connected individuals are to blame for the continued illegal practice.[*]

[*] Wonder if Altaf Bhai and/or Dus Percenti with their henchmen have a hand in this racket

[member_27991]

‘Pakistan poised to rank among top 25 economies by 2025’

It will rank among top 10 in NEPA region though.

“At least the direction is right,” Iqbal said.

direction? what, who , when, where?

[Falijee]

Bin Laden doctor languishes in Pakistan prison as appeal lingers

The lawyer for a Pakistani doctor who was jailed after helping the CIA find Osama bin Laden accused the government on Sept.10 of deliberately delaying his appeal after the case was adjourned for the sixteenth time.

Last year a tribunal cut 10 years off his sentence, but he filed an appeal in March seeking bail and a fresh trial.

But Afridi's lawyer, Qamar Nadeem Afridi, said that since March, 16 sessions had passed without any proceedings because the administration of Khyber tribal district had failed to submit documents for the case to the tribunal.

"Yesterday (Sept.9) the judge again asked for the record and the Khyber administration did not submit it," Qamar Afridi, adding that a new hearing had now been set for October 16.

Some US lawmakers have said Pakistan's handling of the Afridi case was revenge for assistance in aiding a foreign power, and the US is withholding $33 million in planned aid pending Afridi's release. [*]

[*] The usual bakwaas from Maasa

[ManSingh]

‘Pakistan poised to rank among top 25 economies by 2025’

It will rank among top 10 in NEPA region though.

Kind of OT but it seems out of south asia already . Check pakistan in below link

http://www.comptel.com/company/customers

[Falijee]

17 years and no census: Pakistan is running on guesswork
Without reliable data, Pakistan's planning process will be driven by ignorance.

Rumours are rife that Pakistan's federal government is either hesitant or even reluctant to hold the decennial census, which has been overdue since 2008. The last census in Pakistan was conducted in 1998, only after a delay of seven years.

India conducted its national census in 2011. It recorded 1.2 billion individuals. The recently released breakdown of the census data revealed that the population of Hindus in India declined by 0.7%. [*]

[*] Although, based oversees, this Paki PhD is a well known cheerleader of his home country and once in a while opines on the downwards spiral of this entity from the cooler climes of Canada

Coupled with the recent boasting that the Pakistan is poised to become the 25th largest economy in the world, it makes for interesting reading

[Falijee]

Gangs of Karachi
Meet the mobsters who run the show in one of the world’s deadliest cities

By Matthieu Aikins

Very long piece; some interesting snippets:

As the raids continued, news reports emerged that Uzair Baloch, the former leader of one of the gangs targeted by the military, had accused a number of high-ranking politicians of extortion and conspiracy to commit murder.

Uzair had fled the country in 2013. In December, he was arrested in Dubai, and he was held by the authorities in the Emirates while the Pakistani government sought his extradition. Now, according to a report that aired on March 19 on Express News, he had admitted to carrying out assassinations at the behest of powerful figures within the Pakistan Peoples Party, including the country’s former president, Asif Ali Zardari.

Uzair had been trying to transform himself from a gangster into a legitimate politician.

Much of central Karachi is M.Q.M. territory. The posters there showed the broad face and bristly mustache of the party’s leader, Altaf Hussain. But as we came down Napier Road and entered Lea Market — normally overflowing with people, now practically deserted because of security fears — the kites petered out. We passed a small island of Awami National Party flags in leftist red that marked a cluster of Pashtun shops, and then the green, black, and red banners of the P.P.P. began.

Lyari’s entrance was marked by a double arch with welcome lyari town painted on it in English and Urdu. Atop the left pillar was a photo of Benazir Bhutto, the former prime minister, who was assassinated in 2007; atop the right was her father, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, the founder of the P.P.P., who was hanged by a military dictatorship in 1979. The Bhuttos are revered in Lyari.

Everyone participates in Karachi’s lucrative bhatta economy, the system of extortion, racketeering, protection payments, and “voluntary” donations that has become inseparable from the city’s political life. (Bhatta is Urdu for “portion.”) It is this connection between politics and the criminal economy that distinguishes Karachi’s gangs from their no less violent but far more clandestine counterparts in places like Latin America. In Karachi, sometimes only the thinnest of polite fictions separates the politicians from the men who kill and extort on their behalf.

In the summer of 2011, Uzair met with Owais Muzaffar Tappi, a P.P.P. official and the brother of President Zardari, at the Bhutto family house. The two men clashed over Uzair’s refusal to accept political direction from the party. “I was offered twenty-five crores of contracts,” Uzair later told the press, “but I told Tappi that I didn’t need money and instead wanted Lyari’s problems to be solved. He called me obstinate and then I left.” (Twenty-five crore rupees is approximately $2.5 million; Tappi denies offering Uzair any money.)

The last time I saw Uzair, he was in full politician mode, entertaining a wealthy society lady from Defence who was interested in philanthropic work in Lyari. She seemed enthralled by him; he in turn was taking great pleasure in showing her around his many projects. We traveled in a convoy and stopped at a blood bank that he was funding. The locals gawked as Uzair stepped out, surrounded by machine gun–toting bodyguards and trailed by the lady in her colorful robes.

“They will decide if Uzair will come back, or if it is someone else’s turn,” said one of my friends in Lyari. It was a familiar refrain: events in Lyari were controlled by dark, hidden forces. But was the alternative thought — that Karachi’s chaos has grown too unpredictable for anyone to master — any less terrifying?

[A_Gupta]

‘Pakistan poised to rank among top 25 economies by 2025’

Reminds me of the story, Panchatantra I think, the jackal with delusions of grandeur, sitting on a pile of mud and manure, imagining it to be a throne of gold and sandalwood.

[A_Gupta]

Precisely whom is Raheel Sharif referring to?
http://www.dawn.com/news/1206209/milita ... -financing
Military asks govt to choke terror financing

{At first I thought, wow, Military is asking for a budget cut for itself!}

Gen Raheel Sharif was quoted by the source as having told the meeting that simply ridding the country of terrorist networks would not be enough and that law-enforcement agencies needed to get hold of the financiers, abettors and facilitators of the terrorists.

The army chief had, during his Defence Day address, said: “We shall not relent until all terrorists; their financiers, abettors, facilitators and sympathisers are brought to justice.”

[gakakkad]

they banned Tarek Fatah's u tube



I think we should chuck the PC giri and shove the pakee pigs with our choicest pingreji...

[habal]

Shouldnt India use the same logic that Pakistan belongs to Africa and Islamic region and therefore should be kicked out of SAARC. In fact, India should create a parallel organisation without Pakistan using the same argument and let SAARC die.

But then the Indian govt has never had any appetite to show the correct finger to the Pigs.

ISAP

Islamic States of Africa & Pakistan. Should put them right in there with the subsaharan indices where they can be competitive as well.

[Arjun]

‘Pakistan poised to rank among top 25 economies by 2025’

Not all that fanciful actually, if they are talking GDP based on PPP...they are already at 26 and wouldn't take much to go up by a rank based on their Muslim rate of population growth alone.

The trickier question is Shitistan's chance of surviving as a nation by 2025...Now that is something I wouldn't place my bets on.

[Arjun]

Kind of OT but it seems out of south asia already . Check pakistan in below link

http://www.comptel.com/company/customers

Jinnah's vision has finally been realized....

Pukistan is culturally and economically part of MENA. One with the Arabs! India with East Asia and SE Asia in APAC.

Bliss for both parties.

[deejay]

‘Pakistan poised to rank among top 25 economies by 2025’

It will rank among top 10 in NEPA region though.

Pakistan is the no. 1 global nuclear economy in South West Asia. Get your geographies correct.

[Falijee]

Trouble On the Domestic Front For The Kaptaan

From TFT
Domestic politics

Poor guy! Not a moment of peace for The Great Khan,Imran Khan who’s now said to be embroiled in energy-sapping domestic politics. With his ex-wife in the dock courtesy his current wife, The Khan Imran has hot footed it to London to cajole the mother of his sons Jemima . It’s no accident that he’s staying with his former mother-in-law Mrs. Goldsmith (where his sons come and join him), much to the discomfort of his current wife Reham . Tensions have been simmering since The Khan Imran tied the knot with bhabi, Reham of which his family sisters disapproved, but matters came to a head whenB Reham made a series of forays into the media and politics. The situation exploded when London’s Daily Mail published an anti-bhabi Reham article, citing her former husband’s statements. Bhabi’s Reham's relatives hit back by accusing The Khan’s ex Jemima of having planted the story. Then The Khan Imran jumped into the fray and said his ex Jemima was incapable of such pettiness. The latter’s Jemima's sulking nonetheless, we hear, so he’s gone to London to manao pacify her.[*]

[*] From the above, we conclude that The Kaptaan has still a soft corner for his ex; stayed tuned for the next episode

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, two of his Punjab stalwarts are at daggers drawn because once again, The Khan has put his foot in it and said that Server will be his candidate for Punjab’s top slot. What a life!

[Kashi]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, two of his Punjab stalwarts are at daggers drawn because once again, The Khan has put his foot in it and said that Server will be his candidate for Punjab’s top slot. What a life!

Ghulam Sarwar, the Paki who truned Brit and then Paki again. Former governor.

[shiv]

Trouble On the Domestic Front For The Kaptaan

From TFT
Domestic politics

Poor guy! Not a moment of peace for The Great Khan,Imran Khan who’s now said to be embroiled in energy-sapping domestic politics. With his ex-wife in the dock courtesy his current wife, The Khan Imran has hot footed it to London to cajole the mother of his sons Jemima . It’s no accident that he’s staying with his former mother-in-law Mrs. Goldsmith (where his sons come and join him), much to the discomfort of his current wife Reham . Tensions have been simmering since The Khan Imran tied the knot with bhabi, Reham of which his family sisters disapproved, but matters came to a head whenB Reham made a series of forays into the media and politics. The situation exploded when London’s Daily Mail published an anti-bhabi Reham article, citing her former husband’s statements. Bhabi’s Reham's relatives hit back by accusing The Khan’s ex Jemima of having planted the story. Then The Khan Imran jumped into the fray and said his ex Jemima was incapable of such pettiness. The latter’s Jemima's sulking nonetheless, we hear, so he’s gone to London to manao pacify her.[*]

[*] From the above, we conclude that The Kaptaan has still a soft corner for his ex; stayed tuned for the next episode

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, two of his Punjab stalwarts are at daggers drawn because once again, The Khan has put his foot in it and said that Server will be his candidate for Punjab’s top slot. What a life!

Falijee could you please restrict the number of smileys you use in your post? Beyond 1 or 2 it becomes impossible to read the post, and with no url provided there is no chance of ignoring the post and reading the original. Ultimately the post invites skipping and that only degrades the value of this thread

[Peregrine]

CWAPISTAN CWAPING IN EVERY COLOUR OF THE RAINBOW

Pakistan assesses India has material for over 2,000 nuclear-warheads: Report

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has assessed that India has enough fissile material to build more than 2,000 nuclear warheads, a media report said today.

The apex policy-making body for Pakistan's strategic programme, the National Command Authority (NCA), noted that India's rapidly growing nuclear programme and absence of a conflict resolution mechanism were upsetting strategic stability in the region.

The situation was forcing Pakistan to maintain 'full- spectrum deterrence capability', the Dawn reported.

"Contrary to international estimates which give a watered down view, Pakistani assessment is that India has enough fissile material, both reactor and weapon-grade plutonium, for more than 2,000 warheads," the report said.

It cited a paper published by the International Institute of Strategic Studies this year that noted: "New Delhi's plutonium stocks also continue to pile up; according to one Pakistani assessment, by the end of 2013 India had produced enough weapons- and reactor-grade plutonium (0.8-1tn and 15tn respectively) for 2,000 warheads."

The NCA meeting, held yesterday, was presided over by Prime Minister Sharif and attended by Defence Minister Khawaja Asif, and Advisor on National Security and Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz among others.

The meeting reviewed the regional security environment and was briefed on fast-paced strategic and conventional capability developments taking place in the neighbourhood., the report said.

Pakistan's reference to the speed with which India is developing its nuclear programme follows reports by US think- tanks Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and the Stimson Centre which said Pakistan had the fastest growing nuclear programme and could have the third largest nuclear stockpile within five to 10 years.

The meeting agreed that Pakistan should maintain full- spectrum deterrence capability in line with the dictates of credible minimum deterrence against all forms of aggression.

Cheers

[JE Menon]

^^Bit like saying millionaire has enough money to eat one million laddoos, and expecting people with 100 million to call him greedy.

First class morons. Partition at least served one purpose!

[Tuvaluan]

This looks like a charade by the pakis to justify their stance of not signing the FMCT, and to get a nuclear deal which allows them to continue producing more weapons grade Pu....just like the NPA scum like Krepon have been advocating in the recent weeks.

[SSridhar]

Precisely whom is Raheel Sharif referring to?
http://www.dawn.com/news/1206209/milita ... -financing
Military asks govt to choke terror financing

{At first I thought, wow, Military is asking for a budget cut for itself!}

I continue to think that Raheel Sharif is shooting at his own two feet.

[Falijee]

Shiv, ji :
Thanks for your suggestion ; will do the same in the future

[Anujan]

This thread is probably OT but India's plutonium stockpile is being used in reactors for the 3 stage program. The Pakis are being, well Pakis.

Next they will calculate all the Uranium deposits India has and conclude India can make 2 million warheads.

Pakis are on a bomb building spree due to 2 reasons
1. They are paranoid that Massa is going to take them away
2. They want to sell/rent some of them to their Saudi masters. Saudis get to tell them how many they want.

[Falijee]

Pakistan's Balochistan's war comes to Canada

For years, human rights activists have accused Pakistan's military of carrying out extra-judicial murders of political opponents in the country's largest province, Balochistan.

Islamabad denies these accusations, but now a conscientious objector, a Pakistani soldier, has released a grainy video to Baloch nationalist websites, which appears to confirm their worst fears.

On Sunday, the war in Balochistan, symbolically speaking, came to Mississauga when a handful of Baloch Canadians set up a protest outside an event organized by hundreds of former Pakistani military officers who have moved to this country.

As the Baloch chanted slogans against the Pakistan army, they were taunted as "Indian agents" and "traitors to Pakistan" by the former Pakistani army officers arriving in luxury cars.

Another guest, upset that I was with the Baloch Canadians, wrote to me:

"We enjoyed the amazing victory dinner and soon hope Pakistanis will slaughter remaining Baluch terrorists in Pakistan."

At least one of these former Pakistan military officers works for Toronto police and attended the event in uniform.

I asked him if he was representing the police, but he said he could not speak to the media.

This begs the question: How did Canada become a safe haven for Pakistan's military officers despite numerous reports that the country's army is engaged in war crimes in Balochistan, and that elements within the army back the Taliban and jihadi groups fighting us?

[A_Gupta]

Not all that fanciful actually, if they are talking GDP based on PPP...they are already at 26 and wouldn't take much to go up by a rank based on their Muslim rate of population growth alone.

The trickier question is Shitistan's chance of surviving as a nation by 2025...Now that is something I wouldn't place my bets on.

Referring to the ranking here, using the IMF column:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... _%28PPP%29
yes, Pakistan is currently at 26.

And yes, IMF projects Pakistan at #25 in 2020:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... s_for_2020

But that might just be to make their constant loans to Pakistan to seem viable.

[Shreeman]

^^Bit like saying millionaire has enough money to eat one million laddoos, and expecting people with 100 million to call him greedy.

First class morons. Partition at least served one purpose!

JeM,

Nakistan wants to start claiming 1,000+ warheads. It sees the 1,00+ bluster as weak now.

Bakis are moron enough to want to carry bums on their F22s and agostas, even if they have to beach, carry over on their heads and light the fuse by hand. Clearly, sooner or later the unsafeguarded nature will get someones goat and there will be noises. This is just preparing the ground for why bakistsn should keep making bums at the current rate (employment broplem -- cant fire or idle workers, they will join the tali-Bunnies).

The nukular ayatollahs think that the expense of maintaining bums will force a natural cap, just as it has on amrika, oeurope, and russia. what they dont understand is that bakis arent really spending any money except having half a dozen cousins stand around, and the more bums, more cousins gain employment. This is not a self limiting system. They dont care if it eggsplodes or fizzles. Each bum is a branch ophice of the bakistan employment comision (cousins division, cushy posting section).

On the positive side, it will force india to raise its numbers meaningfully and show some teeth to the dragon. Real teeth. Bakistan is uked with a high pH. No one except china can take tgeir bums and decommission them unlike exUSSR and china has no appetite for this. Otherwise, sooner or later they will run out of storage space and demand cricket so they can use the money to build more.

A cut in commerce with Indja, and a real impact on the dawood bhaichara would have real impact here. There are plenty of indians who want those onions. They dont have to go over the wagha wall.

[KLNMurthy]

This thread is probably OT but India's plutonium stockpile is being used in reactors for the 3 stage program. The Pakis are being, well Pakis.

Next they will calculate all the Uranium deposits India has and conclude India can make 2 million warheads.

Pakis are on a bomb building spree due to 2 reasons
1. They are paranoid that Massa is going to take them away
2. They want to sell/rent some of them to their Saudi masters. Saudis get to tell them how many they want.

I suspect that pakis were told by massa that their growing nuke stockpile coupled with daily threats of nuking India are causing high BP in some quarters. So they probably decided, sometime this past week, that they will fix the problem by pointing to India as the cause of their nuclear posture. Badmash has also come out with an absurd assurance that their nukes are not "against anyone."

It's tactical brilliance but does the job, as all that the hypertension sufferers need is some plausible explanation for paki nukes. That's because the hypertension comes, not from the paki nuclear threat (which always existed) but from the problem of selling pakistan as an ally and aid recipient to a more general audience who is not engaged with the threat but pays attention to loud signals coming out of pakistan.

[Prem]

Paki are beginning to live my good dream of 20 Tons of Plutonium,2k warhead ,ready to burst any Chinpaki illusion and clear their confusion. This should be promoted so all Abdools of Pakistan understand that hell fire will be lighted for them on Earth in this life. They better consider and treat every night as last living night for them.

[g.sarkar]

http://www.sify.com/news/saudi-arabia-t ... ejfdh.html
Riyadh: After Pakistan failed to join the Saudi-led Operation Decisive Storm, in which numerous airstrikes were conducted throughout Yemen against Houthi forces between March 26 and April 21this year, Saudi Arabia has now decided to review its military and economic ties with Islamabad.
According to high-level Arab sources based in Dubai, Saudi Arabia has decided to " cool off " its relations with Pakistan after it failed to join the Operation in which 10 Arab states including Egypt, Morocco, Jordan, Sudan, Kuwait, the UAR, Qatar and Bahrain took part.
Pakistan was missing from the operation because it claimed that its Parliament passed a resolution that the country would remain "neutral" in the Yemen conflict. Later, in a damage control exercise, Pakistan's Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and Saudi King Salman Bin Abdul Aziz had held a luncheon meeting at the Royal Palace in Riyadh. However this failed to placate the Saudis.Expressing his anger over Pakistan's inability to choose side in the Yemen conflict, Saudi King Salman during the meet made it clear that Saudi Arabia would not ask help from Pakistan in the future if they didn't join them. As per Dubai-based high-level Arabian insiders, even though Pakistani political parties have been receiving funding for their political activities since 1947, the nation ditched Saudi Arabia's reciprocal relationship.
Recalling the helps provided to Pakistan, sources said that since the Cold War, the nation supplied pilots to repel advances by communist South Yemeni forces into Saudi Arabia, while Saudis funded the Afghan Mujahedeen in accordance with the US and Pakistan that repelled the Soviet invasion.
When Pakistan was facing possibilities of international sanctions in 1998 for conducting nuclear tests, the Saudis offered 50,000 free barrels of oil to help cushion the blow, they added......
They further pointed out that because Sharif's daughter was married to a grandson of King Fahd, he became a member of the Saudi royal family. ....
Gautam

[sunnyP]

What is this nonsense? What is being suggested below is what used to happen pre May 2014 and look where that got us.

India, Pakistan border chiefs agree to lower tensions in Kashmir

Indian and Pakistani border forces agreed on Friday to maintain restraint on their disputed Kashmir frontier, as they sought to defuse tensions that have been heightened in recent months by militant attacks that each side blames the other for.

The heads of India's Border Security Force and the Pakistani Rangers met in New Delhi to find ways to de-escalate tensions along the border as part of a series of measures agreed by the leaders of the two countries in July.

The border chiefs agreed to hold back cross-border firing and not to retaliate immediately to violations of a 15-year ceasefire, an Indian interior ministry official said.

"Both have decided not to immediately retaliate against firing from either side and to contact the other side to know the cause of firing," the official said, reading from a draft text the two governments agreed.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/ ... P220150911

[A_Gupta]

This is what the Indian Express reports:

The biggest take-away for both sides so far is an understanding between the BSF and Pakistan Rangers that in case there is firing from either side, the other side will restrain itself for the next hour which shall be spent establishing contact with aggressor. The idea is to de-escalate tensions on the border and prevent frequent ceasefire violations and loss of civilian lives on either side.

Opening new lines of communication was the biggest achievement on the first day of the talks, with the DGs of both border forces agreeing to directly talk to each other in the event of unprovoked firing. Earlier, only field commanders or DIGs and IGs on either side spoke to each other in the event of ceasefire violations.

- See more at: http://indianexpress.com/article/explai ... qJsD9.dpuf

[member_23370]

The idea is not practical. Sure try to contact for 1 hr but keep pounding in the mean time.

[A_Gupta]

"... with the DGs of both border forces agreeing to directly talk to each other in the event of unprovoked firing. Earlier, only field commanders or DIGs and IGs on either side spoke to each other in the event of ceasefire violations...."

The implication to me is either that all this is meaningless blather; or else that it is the lower level commanders who are initiating firing or retaliation, without the DG's order.

Imagine this - Pak fires on India. Indian field commander informs the Indian DG, who calls the Pak DG. Pak DG calls the relevant Pak field commander who says, one of the following:
1. Sir, I was following your orders,
2. Sir, the Indians fired first, I was retaliating (in which case why did you fire back instead of calling the DG? in which case 3. below follows:)
3. Sir, you and I know this is a tamasha. You are not going to discipline me for doing what you want me to do, even without formal orders. What are you going to tell the Indians?

The Pak DG calls the Indian DG and says "Boys will be boys. Don't fire back as long as boys will be boys. Oh, or until Kashmir issue is resolved to our satisfaction."

Next time, the Indian DG waits till 59 minutes and 55 seconds after Pak fires on India. When the Pak DG's office does not pick up by the third ring, Indian DG gives the Indian field commander the "retaliate at will" go-ahead.