India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 05 Sep 2015 06:17

This is a mirror of the US's root server -- GoI's goal seems to be aimed at blocking apps that can cause "non state actors" to spread disinformation faster than the govt. can react or counter such disinformation. So the aim seems to be to block all internet traffic to specific whatsapp servers for example, if whatsapp users start a internet flash mob and cause unrest. All of this is due to lack of human capital in India to counter such threats. Serious deficit.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 05 Sep 2015 06:52

Would IPV6 loosen the monopoly of US institutions on the internet? Anyways best continued in one of the several techonomy dhagas.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 05 Sep 2015 07:09

IPV6 just changes the address space to be 128 bits instead of 32 bits -- the ISO-OSI layering does not change. The entire US army and parts of the US govt. switched to IPV6 by 2008 -- so being ahead of the curve is how they control how the future is shaped.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 07 Sep 2015 05:33

Tuvaluan wrote:IPV6 just changes the address space to be 128 bits instead of 32 bits -- the ISO-OSI layering does not change. The entire US army and parts of the US govt. switched to IPV6 by 2008 -- so being ahead of the curve is how they control how the future is shaped.

It does more than that: security, band-width, etc - something they lean on heavily. But, yes,it can dole out a lot more IP addresses.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 07 Sep 2015 05:34

India growth engine of Asia: General Electric's chairman Jeff Immelt

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 07 Sep 2015 05:58

NRao wrote:
Tuvaluan wrote:IPV6 just changes the address space to be 128 bits instead of 32 bits -- the ISO-OSI layering does not change. The entire US army and parts of the US govt. switched to IPV6 by 2008 -- so being ahead of the curve is how they control how the future is shaped.
It does more than that: security, band-width, etc - something they lean on heavily. But, yes,it can dole out a lot more IP addresses.

IPv6 is a must if IoT has to take off. 2^128 is 2^95 (or a little more than billion) IP addresses per capita with the assumption of 2^33 (a little more than 8 billion) world population. 2^95 is a little > 32 billion billion billion or 32 ~~million~~ thousand trillion trillion. That is the number of IP addresses for each man, woman, man, child in the world and some.

(PS: I missed several orders of magnitude right there - corrections are in this color)

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 07 Sep 2015 06:16

Guess who dreamt of it, funded it and for what reasons. Not for issuing an IP Address to each person on this earth for sure.

It forms the very center of a network centric architecture. Remove it and all is lost. Civilian use is an offshoot.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 07 Sep 2015 08:02

NRao garu: Whoever dreamed of it - I know what you are hinting at - let India make use of it. Take 16000 trillion trillion addresses and corral them as India's. Use numbers from all over the 16000 trillion trillion address space for each individual in India and their seven generations to come with an assumption of little more than India's current rate of population growth rate - yes that is right, growth rate of the growth rate - as adhar or someother super ID number. Important thing is to grab them now and recognize them as originating in India from a few India based root servers.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 07 Sep 2015 08:06

pandyan wrote:I think the guys who were hyping ipv6 and world will come crashing forgot to take into account private networks. 10s of devices share a single ip address to talk to the external network. internally, router/switch etc assigns a internal use ip address onlee.

Pandyan ji: We are going way OT, but one small thing and I am going to retire for the eve. IPv4 address space has run out. Better to grab as grab can. If IPv4 doesn't come crashing down, nothing lost. If it does, then it is worth several jackpots.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 07 Sep 2015 08:22

NRao wrote: It does more than that: security, band-width, etc - something they lean on heavily. But, yes,it can dole out a lot more IP addresses.

Yes, OT, it is not just switching the size of the space, just mentioned the motivation for switching to IPV6 and getting the reference implementation done before others and getting it deployed across the board (by 2008).

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Sep 2015 12:21

afaik all OSes and telecom eqpt already support ipv6 by default. so you use linux, windows or macOS, the support is already do there. dhcpv6 server will give you addresses. there are some differences like not all ipv6 addr can be globally valid...there is a range of link-local addresses that cannot communicate to each other across a router.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 10 Sep 2015 10:16

xpost: Please read it and sign it..
Members and Alumnae of American Universities:
Oppose Prejudice and Fear-mongering in the “Faculty Statement on Narendra Modi’s Visit”

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 10 Sep 2015 15:41

pravula wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:Why can't India just build its own? Surprised to hear that India does not have a root server.
There is nothing special about a root server technically. India (or any other nation) creating one will just "fork" the internet.

IIRC, most queries do not reach root servers anyway. They are handled by DNS servers from ISPs that cache the root servers normally.

Is it true for China as well? How come "fork" internet is blocked by chinese?

pravula · Post by **pravula** » 10 Sep 2015 20:39

rsingh wrote:
Is it true for China as well? How come "fork" internet is blocked by chinese?

Which part? Root server? Yes, the mechanism is the same. If China (or India) wants, they can mandate all DNS queries be handled in house and their ISPs will do the needful

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 10 Sep 2015 20:49

pravula wrote:
rsingh wrote:
Is it true for China as well? How come "fork" internet is blocked by chinese?
Which part? Root server? Yes, the mechanism is the same. If China (or India) wants, they can mandate all DNS queries be handled in house and their ISPs will do the needful

And what if you run your own name resolver? I do, for one.

Seriously though, it isn't just a matter of setting up a root nameserver, but also getting the vendors of name resolvers (BIND, tinydns, NSD etc.) to include your server in their default list.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 10 Sep 2015 20:54

Way OT. But the vendors can't simply ignore a large market like India. They will include India's root servers in their list if India decides to have its own root servers. Simple economics. If they let India fork the internet, where are the new ad revenues for companies like FB, Goog (mainly), and Yahoo/Bing/MS which monetize their free services through new eyeballs.

pravula · Post by **pravula** » 10 Sep 2015 21:09

ArmenT wrote: And what if you run your own name resolver? I do, for one.

Seriously though, it isn't just a matter of setting up a root nameserver, but also getting the vendors of name resolvers (BIND, tinydns, NSD etc.) to include your server in their default list.

Agree, this is getting OT. Last post on this here.

ArmenT, hence the "fork". People using these non-kosher DNS servers can have a different experience.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 11 Sep 2015 19:55

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sikh-taxi-driver-accused-of-being-a-terrorist-and-badly-beaten-in-chicago-hate-crime-10494944.html

RobinM · Post by **RobinM** » 12 Sep 2015 10:06

Mistrial declared in case of Alabama officer who slammed Indian grandfather to the ground

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... he-ground/

Parker said he he lost his balance when he took Patel down, the Associated Press reported. He said he was worried about his safety, as Patel repeatedly pulled away from him and also reached into his pockets, AL.com reported.

Also see:

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/0 ... ed_stories

Hitesh · Post by **Hitesh** » 12 Sep 2015 19:54

Probably a couple rednecks on the jury who refused to convict a white man beating up a brown man.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Sep 2015 00:23

http://www.epi.org/publication/the-decl ... r-workers/

Between 2000 and the second quarter of 2015, the share of income generated by corporations that went to workers’ wages (instead of going to capital incomes like profits) declined from 82.3 percent to 75.5 percent, as the figure shows. This 6.8 percentage-point decline in labor’s share of corporate income might not seem like a lot, but if labor’s share had not fallen this much, employees in the corporate sector would have $535 billion more in their paychecks today. If this amount was spread over the entire labor force (not just corporate sector employees) this would translate into a $3,770 raise for each worker.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 14 Sep 2015 06:59

From the Daily Times, Pakistan:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/foreign/10 ... 1-uprising

Quote:

MOSCOW - WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has opened up about his new book, 'The WikiLeaks Files', saying that Washington had plans to overthrow Syria's government long before the 2011 uprising began, the Russia Today channel reported on Thursday.

Assange referred to the chapter on Syria, which goes back to 2006. In that chapter is a cable from US Ambassador William Roebuck - who was stationed in Damascus - which apparently discusses a plan for the overthrow of the Assad government in Syria.

“That plan was to use a number of different factors to create paranoia within the Syrian government; to push it to overreact, to make it fear there's a coup...so in theory it says 'We have a problem with extremists crossing over the border with Iraq, and we're taking actions against them to take this information and make the Syrian government look weak, the fact that it is dealing with extremists at all,'” he said.

He added that the most serious part of the plan was to “foster tensions between Shiites and Sunnis. In particular, to take rumors that are known to be false...or exaggerations and promote them – that Iran is trying to convert poor Sunnis, and to work with Saudi and Egypt to foster that perception in order to make it harder for Iran to have influence, and also harder for the government to have influence in the population”.

Assange stressed that this particular cable was “quite concerning”, adding that while you often have to read between the lines in cables, “it’s all hanging out” in that one. “To understand what is happening in and around Syria, one must look at regional alliances,” he said.

End quote.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 15 Sep 2015 06:20

US offers India's VVIPs, celebrities a hassle-free entry.

Select VVIPs, business tycoons and famous personalities from India may soon be able get hassle-free entry in the US instead of bearing the ignominy of standing in immigration queues like different breed of common man and going through extensive security checks.

Modi government is all set to get a concession from Obama administration to be a part of the select community of countries who enjoy US global entry programme (GEP) and get hassle free entry at several international airports in USA.

To begin with India is expected to forward a list of 2000 select personalities like Sachin Tendulkar, Ambani brothers, Shahrukh Khan, Amitabh Bachchan, Adani, honchos of software giants like Narayanmurthy, Azim Premji and former Presidents and Prime Ministers to get the benefit of GEP.

On several occasions in the past, important Indian personalities, including President APJ Abdul Kalam, have been subjected to tough security drills at US airports drawing flak from the Indian governments. Their inclusion in the GEP will reduce the risk of such blunders.

This list may extend to 15,000 persons in due course for which the US government has already given the nod but the Indian government wants to go slow and see how it works, sources said.

More than 1.8 million members are enrolled in Global Entry from a select group of countries. As of December 2014, Global Entry was available at 42 US airports and 12 pre-clearance locations.

Global Entry helps a person clear US customs and Border patrol faster regardless of where he or she are traveling from. The program is designed for low-risk travellers to receive expedited clearance upon arriving arrival into the United States.

A Global Entry member can skip the lines at customs and Border Protection and instead use touch-screen kiosks in the arrivals area of airports. They are also allowed to go through an expedited TSA security line, where they don't have to remove their shoes, belts, coats, and laptops.

Though India was offered membership to the US Global Entry Trusted Traveler Network Program in September 2013, the US government continued to deem Indian citizens ineligible for application to the program. The change in US's attitude is being viewed as part of the closer ties that Obama administration is trying to build with India for various reasons.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 15 Sep 2015 07:34

Scam. Costs $180 per year? I refuse to pay to be Not Treated As A Suspected Criminal Until Proven Innocent.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 15 Sep 2015 08:11

^WTF. So some citizens are more equal than others? Elected officials and ex Presidents, state officials are one thing but Tendulkar? Please...

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 15 Sep 2015 08:51

^of course, srt and srk are real indian dignitaries on par with president and PM didn't you know. Where would india be without Bollywood and cricket afterall....ju are just jealous that ju are not on list, and can't sing or dance like sallu with big muskals, pfft..

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 15 Sep 2015 09:07

Simple arithmetic ($180 x 15000) shows $2.7 million year after year paid into US taxpayers' kitty.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 15 Sep 2015 09:13

The change in US's attitude is being viewed as part of the closer ties that Obama administration is trying to build with India for various reasons.

And does Obama seriously think India US relations will improve due to things like this? A similar rationale was given appointing a nobody as the ambassador to India, only qualification being his Indian origin. Looks like no lesson learned.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 15 Sep 2015 09:36

arshyam saar: Nothing to do with relations - everything to do with greenbacks. Just like their (and Indian) impeiral masters, the US seems to be turning into another nation of shop keepahs and traders.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 15 Sep 2015 09:55

arshyam wrote:And does Obama seriously think India US relations will improve due to things like this? A similar rationale was given appointing a nobody as the ambassador to India, only qualification being his Indian origin. Looks like no lesson learned.

More like, no lessons to be learned and new lessons must not be learned.

It's debatable if the US really wants Indo-US relations to improve beyond a certain degree.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 15 Sep 2015 10:09

vayu tuvan wrote:Simple arithmetic ($180 x 15000) shows $2.7 million year after year paid into US taxpayers' kitty.

What has the GOI conceded in return??

The US was desperately looking for restoration of it's "lost" and completely illegal privileges at Indian airports for it's embassy staff and other incoming US citizens. These privileges were "rationalized" on a reciprocal basis after the khobragade fiasco.

I really hope that Modi has not compromised national honor for the sake of a few shady VIPs

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 15 Sep 2015 16:15

Pentagon creates 1st country specific cell for India to speed up defence ties, co-develop hi-tech military equipment

The Pentagon has established a first-ever country special cell to speed up its defence ties with India and accelerate the process of co-development and co-production of hi-tech military equipment in the country.

Established soon after Defence Secretary Ashton Carter assumed Pentagon's leadership role in February, India Rapid Reaction Cell (IRRC) is headed by Keith Webster, Director, International Cooperation Office of the Under Secretary of Defence for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics.
India is the only country to have a specific cell of its kind inside the Pentagon.

Currently, seven persons are working on this cell, representing various wings of the US Department of Defence. Given the new thrust on India-US defence relationship under Carter, officials say there is quite a few on the waiting list who have shown keen interest in working at the Pentagon's India Rapid Reaction Cell.

"The purpose of India Rapid Reaction Cell is to work all the initiatives that we have ongoing under (India-US) DTTI (Defence Trade and Technology Initiative) - both the initiatives that for example came out of the joint statement between the (US) President and the Prime Minister in January (in New Delhi) to move quickly and timely and be through, which in my opinion requires dedicated support to ramp up the operational tempo," Webster told PTI.

"We are embarking on some new initiatives and the operational tempo is not declining at all," he said. In the next coming months, a series of high-level exchanges are scheduled to take place, including that of Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar to the Pentagon. Defence and Strategic relationship would be a key topic of discussion when US President Barack Obama meets Prime Minister Narendra Modi on the margins of the UN General Assembly in New York later this month.

India Rapid Reaction cell, he said, has been instrumental in accelerating the DTTI projects and has started the process to send some new proposals to India for co-production and co-development.
The mobile hydroelectric initiative and for-the-next-generation initiatives required negotiations, conclusion and signing of bilateral agreements.

"Statistically, such a negotiation between US and India which was done before many times takes on an average a year and half to three years. We were done within three months on the US side with India," he said, adding that the documents were finally signed by the Indians last month.

Similar fast-track progress is being made on the other initiatives announced during Obama's trip to India in January. In a joint statement, the two countries announced four products for co-produced - next-generation Raven unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), 'roll-on, roll-off' intelligence-gathering and reconnaissance modules for C-130J Super Hercules aircraft, mobile electric hybrid power sources and uniform integrated protection ensemble increment-2 (chemical, biological warfare protection gear for soldiers).

In addition, Obama and Modi announced that working groups will be set up to explore development of aircraft carrier technologies and jet engines.

The India Rapid Reaction Cell is looking into another 25 proposals that has come from American defence industry for co-development and co-production.

The cell received these proposals after Under Secretary of Defence Frank Kendal, who is the US-lead for DTTI, wrote in a recent letter to the US industry, urging them to come up with proposals and ideas for ambitious and path-finding projects by the end of August.

"I encourage industry partners to continue identifying opportunities that offer exclusive co-development and/or co-production in India, meet expressed Indian interest, including 'Make in India' and have potential for global market sales," Kendall wrote in his letter.

Webster said after the review of these 25 projects is completed, the Pentagon would submit another set of proposals of pathfinder projects to India in the coming months for co-development and co-production

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 15 Sep 2015 18:05

^^Unkil bankrolling TSPA will remain a permanent thorn in Indo-US relations, IMHO.

Pious pronouncements of 'strategic partnership' and 'interest alignments' mean squat when unkil pumps lukewarm gas continuously in the punctured boil that is TSP...

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 15 Sep 2015 18:37

Kashi wrote:It's debatable if the US really wants Indo-US relations to improve beyond a certain degree.

Hari Seldonji made this point above - as long as they keep propping up their munna, relations won't go beyond a certain level, all feel good nonsense notwithstanding. And I don't see the US dropping our neighbour to please India - they get most of what need already (market access, etc.), why bother? Their game plan is simple: use munna to contain India, and India to contain China - so they can continue to be the top dog. From their PoV, it makes sense. From ours, India is better off charting her own path, than putting up with people who don't share her worldview. We will collaborate in a few areas, and elsewhere, it will be at the 'hi-hello' level. I am just contesting the periodic regurgitation of some article saying it will bring India and US close due to some crumbs thrown at us, perhaps thinking India will be like the UK or even Germany. The above so-called pre-clearance list takes the cake - after repeatedly assaulting our ex- and late President in the name of security, we are supposed to be happy with this list and improve relations. Right.

member_29172 · Post by **member_29172** » 15 Sep 2015 18:54

Propping up pakistan and all kinds of muslim terrorists, sheltering terrorists who attack India (david headly), giving sermons on Hindu muslim unity in india when you shouldn't be blabbering about it in the first place given the daily race riots and mass shootings, propping up and aiding ngos in disrupting indian projects critical for our economic development. Inviting all kinds of anti Indian/anti Hindu buffoons to their universities while actually demonizing the residing PM of India because a few butthurt sickular said so.

There's a lot us can do other than these childish tactics of collecting jizya for incoming political and social vvips to improve relations with India.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 16 Sep 2015 02:14

Academic group welcomes PM Narendra Modi to US in counter to left-liberal attack

Jingos in the news.

member_29172 · Post by **member_29172** » 16 Sep 2015 02:22

^^ Although it's a great news, calling them Jingos sends the wrong message. There's nothing Jingo about it. It was a disgusting attack by sickulars and muslim "scholars" for furthering their own agenda and that has been adequately quelled.

Good news overall

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 16 Sep 2015 02:53

NRao wrote:Pentagon creates 1st country specific cell for India to speed up defence ties, co-develop hi-tech military equipment

The Pentagon has established a first-ever country special cell to speed up its defence ties with India and accelerate the process of co-development and co-production of hi-tech military equipment in the country.

Established soon after Defence Secretary Ashton Carter assumed Pentagon's leadership role in February, India Rapid Reaction Cell (IRRC) is headed by Keith Webster, Director, International Cooperation Office of the Under Secretary of Defence for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics.
India is the only country to have a specific cell of its kind inside the Pentagon.

Currently, seven persons are working on this cell, representing various wings of the US Department of Defence. Given the new thrust on India-US defence relationship under Carter, officials say there is quite a few on the waiting list who have shown keen interest in working at the Pentagon's India Rapid Reaction Cell.

"The purpose of India Rapid Reaction Cell is to work all the initiatives that we have ongoing under (India-US) DTTI (Defence Trade and Technology Initiative) - both the initiatives that for example came out of the joint statement between the (US) President and the Prime Minister in January (in New Delhi) to move quickly and timely and be through, which in my opinion requires dedicated support to ramp up the operational tempo," Webster told PTI.

"We are embarking on some new initiatives and the operational tempo is not declining at all," he said. In the next coming months, a series of high-level exchanges are scheduled to take place, including that of Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar to the Pentagon. Defence and Strategic relationship would be a key topic of discussion when US President Barack Obama meets Prime Minister Narendra Modi on the margins of the UN General Assembly in New York later this month.

India Rapid Reaction cell, he said, has been instrumental in accelerating the DTTI projects and has started the process to send some new proposals to India for co-production and co-development.
The mobile hydroelectric initiative and for-the-next-generation initiatives required negotiations, conclusion and signing of bilateral agreements.

"Statistically, such a negotiation between US and India which was done before many times takes on an average a year and half to three years. We were done within three months on the US side with India," he said, adding that the documents were finally signed by the Indians last month.

Similar fast-track progress is being made on the other initiatives announced during Obama's trip to India in January. In a joint statement, the two countries announced four products for co-produced - next-generation Raven unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), 'roll-on, roll-off' intelligence-gathering and reconnaissance modules for C-130J Super Hercules aircraft, mobile electric hybrid power sources and uniform integrated protection ensemble increment-2 (chemical, biological warfare protection gear for soldiers).

In addition, Obama and Modi announced that working groups will be set up to explore development of aircraft carrier technologies and jet engines.

The India Rapid Reaction Cell is looking into another 25 proposals that has come from American defence industry for co-development and co-production.

The cell received these proposals after Under Secretary of Defence Frank Kendal, who is the US-lead for DTTI, wrote in a recent letter to the US industry, urging them to come up with proposals and ideas for ambitious and path-finding projects by the end of August.

"I encourage industry partners to continue identifying opportunities that offer exclusive co-development and/or co-production in India, meet expressed Indian interest, including 'Make in India' and have potential for global market sales," Kendall wrote in his letter.

Webster said after the review of these 25 projects is completed, the Pentagon would submit another set of proposals of pathfinder projects to India in the coming months for co-development and co-production

hope we don't end up like taiwan, complete religion change onlee. why are they inviting us so compellingly to put all our eggs in their basket?? The sanctions will still hit if we displease massa

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 16 Sep 2015 02:59

hope we don't end up like taiwan, complete religion change onlee. why are they inviting us so compellingly to put all our eggs in their basket?? The sanctions will still hit if we displease massa

Would like people to do more research. The two nations are struggling to do anything together. These moves are very small steps by a very small group within each nation to come closer, but not close enough to be dependent.

A very long way to go. But a small ray of hope (for some on both sides).

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 16 Sep 2015 05:04

Raja Bose wrote: Jingos in the news.

Is there a link to the letter with all the (non)jingo signatories? If you know please provide. TIA.