Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05, 2015

shaun · Post by **shaun** » 15 Sep 2015 21:45

Rishi equal equal pak jabi

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 15 Sep 2015 21:51

Actually, after Pakistani NSA miya talks on "not terror" Aman declared that there will be no talks on terror, we need to get word from the fourfathers about place of Pakistan in their respective heaven, and then hold each one to their word. Similarly, the Indian Army needs to have special irregular teams to land in Pakistan, in times of war, and take possession of military hardware offered at Pakistan - just so that when IA routes the Pakistan then the fourfathers have no excuse to do circus about how their top of the line .. oops .. bottom of the line hardware offered at Pakistan being smashed badly .. yadda yadda.

member_29172 · Post by **member_29172** » 15 Sep 2015 22:18

Shaun wrote:Rishi equal equal pak jabi

Indeed it seems to be

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Sep 2015 22:20

KhottaKababandPolkflredrice
Pak-China military relations will grow to unprecedented heights; COAS

RAWALPINDI: Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Raheel Sharif visted Bahadur Ranges (Attock) amnd witnessed the closing ceremony of the Pak-China Special Forces joint exercise ‘Warrior-III’.According to an ISPR press release, Special Forces of Pakistan Army and Peoples Liberation Army (PLA) conducted a seven week long exercise with focus on counter-terrorism operations.
A senior level Chinese military delegation under General Li Fayi represented PLA on the closing ceremony.Addressing troops, COAS congratulated all participants of exercise for displaying high level professional skills. He underscored that special relationship between Pak-China Armies which has transformed overtime will grow to unprecedented heights. “Both, China and Pak, will continue to work towards total elimination of terrorism in all its forms and manifestations.”COAS specially commended troops of SSG for their outstanding performance in Operation Zarb-e-Azb. He vowed to continue operations with the same momentum till the achievement of a Terror Free Pakistan .

Bhurishrava · Post by **Bhurishrava** » 16 Sep 2015 01:34

A_Gupta wrote:
shiv wrote: Why complain about being treated on par with Pakistan when Indians are obsessed with what the Pakistani cricket team is doing?
"...Tann Se Toh Aajad Ham Ho Gaye Hain, Mann Se Gayee Naa Gulaamee"
(lyrics: http://www.glamsham.com/music/lyrics/sa ... 6/8850.htm )
Physically we are free, but the minds are still enslaved.
PS: IMO, four posts above belong in the BENIS thread.

IMO, people, who have too many problems with others `obsessing` about Pakistanis, may well show the way by refusing to post here or visit this thread. If cricket belongs to Benis, Polio does too. In fact we could go on arguing about what goes where.
Or we can stop this Sharia, stop taking ourselves too seriously and read on.
Cheers.

member_29172 · Post by **member_29172** » 16 Sep 2015 01:41

pakistan is a big fat BENIS state in itself, what does it matter if it's bakistan thread or benis thread?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 16 Sep 2015 01:54

Police conduct raid to arrest two close relatives of PM: KhottaVs Jhota

ISLAMABAD: Police have conducted a raid to arrest two close relatives of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, sources told Geo News on Tuesday night.The raid was carried out to arrest Habib Ilyas, son of the PM’s first cousin, and Waqas Ilyas, a close relative of the PM after a court issued arrest warrants for the two, sources said.According to details, Deputy Commissioner of Inland Revenue, Umer Riaz led the raid at Abdullah and Hasib Waqas Suger Mills in Model Town area on Monday evening. But, both the individuals were not present at the offices.Meanwhile, a spokesman for the PM House issued a statement saying Haseeb and Waqas have nothing to do with the businesses of Sharif family.He said the government institutions would take action against all law breakers regardless of their association. “The government would implement the law of the land above personal interest,” he added.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Sep 2015 01:58

Bhurishrava wrote: ......

IMO, people, who have too many problems with others `obsessing` about Pakistanis, may well show the way by refusing to post here or visit this thread. If cricket belongs to Benis, Polio does too. In fact we could go on arguing about what goes where.
Or we can stop this Sharia, stop taking ourselves too seriously and read on.
Cheers.

Let them argue for a while eventually it will settle to a new norm.

You should post more often.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 16 Sep 2015 03:36

Alka_P wrote:pakistan is a big fat BENIS state in itself, what does it matter if it's bakistan thread or benis thread?

Pakistan is a Pure Poetic Inspiration in its own way but Pakistan is not a State but Qabila Upon Eastern Islamist Benissuela, in constant liquid state of flux like 20 crore Flies enjoying life on Mountain Poopmalai but with constant inner Fear,covered with Dogmatic Shear that in their protective Core, No Essence but only virtues of Whore, which one day, when sense Dawn on these Drones & Pawns , it will have to be Eradicated & flushed Ashore.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 16 Sep 2015 03:49

So apparently Bad Sharif is going to retire in 2016 (November as per Wiki, but he turns 60 in June so dont know how that works).

Already a bunch of people have started noises that he should be given an extension. Oldies might remember how the very same news writers (Of the vibrant news media who are supposed to prevent future coups), started heaping praise on Kayani when his term was about to end and were writing articles that there was no alternative to Musharraf before that.

We will know in a few months of Bad Sharif wants an extension. And if not, if Good Sharif will finally pick someone who can then oust him in a Coup.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 Sep 2015 04:01

Bhurishrava wrote: IMO, people, who have too many problems with others `obsessing` about Pakistanis, may well show the way by refusing to post here or visit this thread. If cricket belongs to Benis, Polio does too. In fact we could go on arguing about what goes where.
Or we can stop this Sharia, stop taking ourselves too seriously and read on.
Cheers.

A discussion of polio does not hyphenate or equate Pakistan to India the way cricket does. One of the goals of India's foreign relations has been the de-hyphenation of Pakistan & India.

Anyway, you gave good advice! If the thread bothers me, I need not visit it.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 16 Sep 2015 04:10

Pakistan-born MP Supports Indian Origin Royal Aide Who Complained About British Pakistanis

A Pakistan-born member of parliament (MP) has come out in support of the Queen’s representative who resigned after a series of emails containing controversial content pertaining to Britain’s Pakistani community were leaked.

Supporting the royal aide, Khalid Mahmood, the Labour MP for Birmingham Perry Barr, said on Monday he will write to Buckingham Palace to ask the Queen to refuse Paul Sabapathy’s resignation.

Paul Sabapathy, Her Majesty’s Lord Lieutenant of the West Midlands, resigned last week after a series of emails in which he stated that Pakistanis require “a lot of work” to be taught “common courtesy and civility” were leaked.

Mahmood said Indian born Sabapathy was an “honourable man with noble intentions” who had been made a scapegoat simply for telling the truth about the Pakistani community in Britain.

“The royal household would like to acknowledge the tremendous work done by Mr Sabapathy since his appointment in 2007 to support the work of the Royal Family and to bring together and work with the communities in the West Midlands,” it added.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 16 Sep 2015 04:36

chetak wrote:khan thinks with another part of his anatomy.

Rather, the "another part of his anatomy" does all the thinking for him.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 16 Sep 2015 04:49

shiv wrote:Sorry. While I personally detest cricket I can have no objections to others loving the game. But when Indians make the question of cricket with Pakistan as an issue of triumph when the Paki team loses or the PCB is slighted, we are only adding to the "equalequalitis" Why complain about being treated on par with Pakistan when Indians are obsessed with what the Pakistani cricket team is doing? This thread is about Pakistan and those of us who spend time being happy about Pakistan's cricket failures and misfortunes are complicit in making creating a future victory for Pakistan if India meets Pakistan at a third party event like the World Cup and they win.

Cricket should find no mention on this thread. Maybe on Benis. There really are some things that should go to Benis an this IMO includes "funny" news about Pakistan and news that shows Pakistan in a ludicrous light.

I agree and disagree. First the agree part: Yes, one should not discuss cricket here, and more so, one should not obsess over TSP performance in cricket, especially the bad performance. In short, just as in many walks of life that we should ignore, TSP cricket should be ignored with the contempt it deserves. Let Bollywood heroines and other Indian elite women enamored by TSP TFTA cricket players (with little concern for their terrorism against India) have their fill if they chose to.

Now the disagreement part. PCB getting slighted by India is another matter. It does fall under the realm of issues reltaed to the topic of this thread: "Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan". And the reason is that PCB is part of the TSP/ISI/RAPE complex with which India is at war. If I am not mistaken, the current PCB chief monkey was an ISI thug. Javed Miandad an ex TSP cricketer and now part of PCB is the father-in-law of one of India's most wanted terrorists: Dawood Ibrahim.

PCB rakes in a lot of moolah if kirket were to be resumed with India, and more moolah means more money in the pockets of ISI which in turn translates to more pigLeT attacks to kill Indians. And it is for that reason alone (more moolah), PCB wants kirket ties with India resumed, and denying PCB that privilege is something to gloat over as it does mean India has scored a strategic victory over TSP, for whatever it contributes towards putting TSP on the back foot and making it squirm.

Thus, gloating over PCB being slighted by India does not contribute towards "equalequalitis", matter of fact, the more TSP begs and the more India denies, the more it does to de-hyphenate.

On the contrary, resumption of kirket, with hordes of Bajrangi Bhaijaan crowds in India going berserk with the squalid spectacle of India TSP love making, while TSPA/ISI continues with its war of 1000 cuts using its pigLeTs, and nationalists like us protesting and being cast as "Hindus extremists" is the worst form of "equalequalitis".

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 16 Sep 2015 04:56

Pakistan Number 1 - In Executions

Pakistan among world's top executioners after terror attack

ISLAMABAD (AP) — For years, Pakistan did not put prisoners to death. Then a Taliban attack butchered 150 people, most of them children, and the country resumed carrying out the death penalty and quickly turned into one of the world's most avid executioners.

The Dec. 16 attack changed everything. In Peshawar, Taliban gunmen stormed a military-run school, killing 150 people, nearly all children attending class. Popular anger raged against the militants, many of whom have long ties to sections of Pakistani intelligence services.

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif used his strongest language yet against the extremists, vowing there would be no discrimination between "good or bad Taliban" [*]as he allowed those convicted of terror charges to be executed. He also pledged to "continue this war until even a single terrorist is not left on our soil,"

[*] But what about the terrorists produced by the domestic Jihadi factories and send across the international border to spread mayhem in neighbouring countries; can those be executed as well

Others have raised concerns about death-row inmates being beaten into confessing to crimes they didn't commit or took part in as minors. In August, Pakistani authorities hanged Shafqat Hussain, who was convicted of killing a 7-year-old boy in 2004 when he was just 14, according to his family.

One of the last prisoners executed, 71-year-old Maqbool Husain, spoke to the AP before his death Aug. 27. He said a dispute between families over property saw him lose his right leg in an attack before his own family took revenge and amputated the leg of a rival. The other family killed two of his brothers in 1994 and Husain waited until 1996 before killing six of them in retaliation, he said.

Looking back on his life, he said: "I request all to end enmity so that no one faces hanging like me."

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 16 Sep 2015 04:59

Pakistan, China sign 43-year lease for Gwadar Special Economic Zone

Beijing: Pakistan has rented 2,300 acres to China [*]for developing the first special economic zone in the deep sea port of Gwadar, CCTV reported today.

China has provided financial and technical support in the construction of the Gwadar port since March, 2002 at Pakistan's request. The infrastructure construction was completed in February. The SEZ and the port, is part of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor that aims to connect Gwadar to China's Xinjiang via a transportation network. It will improve economic cooperation between the two countries.

The Pakistani government has granted the SEZ priority access to resources and preferential tax policies for investors.

[*] First step in the Chini colonization of Pakiland

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 16 Sep 2015 07:05

NEWS FLASH: Xerox Khan vows not to use any Apple products to protest PM Modi's meeting with CEO Tim Cook. Hope PM Modi meets the CEO of Fruit of the Loom.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 16 Sep 2015 08:12

^^^ Indian PM should meet the CEO's of Boeing, Lockheed Martin, GE, Ratheon etc and lets see if the Pakis ground the F 16's, C130, etc,etc. Come to think of it PM Modi met el POTUS so shouldn't Xerox Khan advocate boycott of all amreeki help to his beloved cuntry?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 16 Sep 2015 08:43

krithivas wrote:NEWS FLASH: Xerox Khan vows not to use any Apple products to protest PM Modi's meeting with CEO Tim Cook. Hope PM Modi meets the CEO of Fruit of the Loom.

Modi should meet CEO of Xerox corp. Pakistan will collapse and die.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 16 Sep 2015 08:49

LokeshC wrote:That "container" was an eye opener to me, just like the flood was. Not that I did not know that RAPEs were just Feudal lords masquerading as westernized islamics, but what I really did not know was that the aam abdul bakis who are dimmy supporters (youthias IIRC according to Baby Bhutto), were completely ok with the dimmy spending his time in his custom designed refrigerated "container" whereas they are out in the islum-abad heat doing their slumming for the kaaptan.

AFAIK ,no one, not even the most liberal minded RAPEs, saw through the "container"baazi and called it out for what it was: A physical manifestation of the RAPE sense of being separate from the unwashed. The need to stay protected from the dirt that is Bakistan.

Everyone seems to be completely ok with the feudal structure.

Many years ago there was an article by two rapettes who found themselves at a Paki army exercise and needed to pee. As they looked around they realized that all the senior officers on exercise had airconditioned containers/caravans with toilets etc - one of which they used

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 16 Sep 2015 08:50

shiv wrote:
krithivas wrote:NEWS FLASH: Xerox Khan vows not to use any Apple products to protest PM Modi's meeting with CEO Tim Cook. Hope PM Modi meets the CEO of Fruit of the Loom.
Modi should meet CEO of Xerox corp. Pakistan will collapse and die.

Fanne Khan Bhopali's Gupp.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 16 Sep 2015 08:54

Modi meets King Salman, the custodian of Mecca and Medina

Pakistanis decided to stop braying...

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 16 Sep 2015 09:05

Falijee wrote:Pakistan Number 1 - In Executions
..........
One of the last prisoners executed, 71-year-old Maqbool Husain, spoke to the AP before his death Aug. 27. He said a dispute between families over property saw him lose his right leg in an attack before his own family took revenge and amputated the leg of a rival. The other family killed two of his brothers in 1994 and Husain waited until 1996 before killing six of them in retaliation, he said.....

Charming, I'm sure.

In keeping the inter familial tradition of equal equal he should have demanded that the other family now hang 4 of their members....

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 16 Sep 2015 09:08

Safeguards against military rule eroding: Rabbani
KhottameatkhaniOonthmutrapaani Creeping Coupe Loop

ISLAMABAD: As the opposition and government members argued over the perceived tense civil-military relationship, Senate Chairman Raza Rabbani declared on Tuesday that the constitutional safeguards against military takeovers had become redundant.“I believe that Article 6 has become redundant. Our weaknesses have made it redundant. In my eyes, no constitutional clause can protect democracy. Only the people can protect democracy provided they are given ownership of the system,” he observed at the end of a debate held in the upper house to commemorate the International Day of Democracy.During the debate, PPP senators alleged that there was a “disconnect” between the civil and military leaderships and they were not on the same page.
The positive outcome of the debate, however, was unanimity among the senators that the onus to prevent military takeovers was on political parties and that there was a need for a complete national unity on the issue.Mr Rabbani observed that Pakistan could not afford another military intervention.“No system other than democracy can keep the federation intact keeping in view the country’s internal and external situation.”He regretted that the Charter of Democracy, signed by the PPP and the PML-N in 2006, appeared to be flying in the air. “The charter is unfortunately under the cloud.”
Earlier, pressing for admissibility of his adjournment motion regarding the controversial interview of former minister Mushahidullah Khan in which he had stated that the former head of Inter-Service Intelligence had engineered the last year’s protest sit-in of the PTI, Senator Farhatullah Babar of the PPP declared that “there is a disconnect between the civil and military”.“When we were in the government we used to say that the government and army are on the same page. Now the PML-N is also making the same claim. But this is not the fact. They are not on the same page,” he observed.
Jamaat-i-Islami chief Sirajul Haq said Article 6, which declared abrogation of the Constitution as an act of treason, had never been implemented which showed that there was no democracy in the country.
Hasil Bizenjo of the National Party said army generals had created a “fuss” in the past because of frequent interventions. He said people were heard saying openly that it was Army Chief Gen Raheel Sharif who was actually running the country.“If people have trust in political leaders, no dictator will have the courage to topple the civilian set-up,” he said.

member_29172 · Post by **member_29172** » 16 Sep 2015 09:24

speaking of rabbani, what happened to that PYT bhootni, hina rabbani who was caught being intimate with jr. bhutto? where is the mohtarma these days

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 16 Sep 2015 09:46

Bhurishrava wrote: Or we can stop this Sharia, stop taking ourselves too seriously and read on.
Cheers.

In fact I think you may not know how this Paki thread originated and why Benis was created. This thread was started on a somewhat "serious' note to collect information about Shitistan. I owe it to the contributors of this thread for providing the info that I put into my Paki ebook.

Benis was actually called Penis: Pakistan Enlightened Nuclear Islamic State) but because we are secular it was changed to benis. Benis came to collect posts that were funny, irreverent, gossip etc.

In fact one of the reasons I have been suggesting sharia on this thread is because there are times when this thread is as funny as benis and I wonder why we have benis at all. Unfortunately, very early in its life it became fashionable to speak only Pinglish in the benis thread which was peopled by a set of maulaners. But times have changed.

Nowadays there is a lot more information about Pakistan and much of it funny, laughable or just plain ridiculous. Since all thise appears in the media I think that funny stuff should go on benis. The reason being that I would like to see an evolution of this thread to something beyond what we did in the past.

So what did we do in the past?
1. Collected accurate info about Pakistan and sifted the lies and hype from the truth
2. Built up a huge body of forumites who were all "Pakistan experts" in their own way - or at least far more knowledgeable about shitistan than the average India and the average Indian or western journalist

Now everyone know about Pakistan and everyone is ready to have a good laugh. This thread has for long been described as one of the most entertaining threads on this forum. I would like the laughs to go on benis and get more serious on here and see how we can move forward. A lot of things have changed in Pakistan and a comparison between out late 90s/early 2k assumptions and now might inform us and serious lurkers better

For example (and I repeat myself)
1. 10-15 years ago Pakistan had a population of about 140 million. It is now thought to be around 180-200 million
2. Literacy remains low at <50% indicating several tens of millions of illiterates
3. Reports have stated that the average Pakistani is now smaller in height and weight than before
4. 15 years ago Pakistan was supposed to get the world's tallest building in Karachi, a MagLev rail and Gwadar was supposed to have been operationalized years ago
5. 15 years ago Pakistan's main exports were cotton, textiles and leather. They still remain the same but Pakistan claims to be exporting fighter aircraft, making cruise missiles, miniaturized nukes and
6. 15 years ago Pakistan's FE reserves were down to something like 8-12 billion US$. That has remained steady and is now around 18 billion
7. 15 years ago Pakistan claimed to be a fledgeling nuclear weapon power and people had calculated an upper limit of weapons they could make based on their access to Uranium. Now it is claimed that they will surpass China in number of nukes. No analysis of where the nuclear material is coming from.
8. Pakistan has been short of power forever. That appears to be changing
9. The Pakistani army is now materially more powerful that it used to be. They have Jf-17s, upgraded f-16s with target designation abilities and experience, PGMs, AMRAAMS; the army seems flush with NVGs, good comm devices, and body armour but they are engaged on two fronts now
10. 15 years ago Baluchistan was thought to have an insurgency - with not much info. But it is out in the open now.

The point is that things have changed and I believe we have not looked at some of these things with any degree of seriousness. We still seem to go back to the past an make wild guesses and say "The army will take over because of this" or "There will be a terror attack now because of that"

To me these are indicators that as a group BRF is simply slipping behind. We are sitting comfortably on our haunches saying that we know it all and "are seized of the situation". So all we do is post funny news items, laugh and mock at Pakistan and then get angry when Pakistan does its usual chooth-spa. We are missing something. Parts of Pakistan have gone downhill. Some parts are more powerful and more dangerous. Which is dominating? Which way will it go?

Perhaps the time has come to rename the benis thread and hope it attract more news items and gossip and titbits relating to Pakistan and more serious analyses of Pakistan can be put on here. It is the benis thread that is actually becoming redundant - with this thread serving a benis role and losing out on its analytical role for which it was started.

member_29172 · Post by **member_29172** » 16 Sep 2015 09:49

Shiv saar has a point, a lot of shady deals go on right under our nose and now with our innocent minority radicalising rapidly, the threat is even greater. This thread should be strictly used as developments in bakistan and it's direct/indirect effects to India.

arun · Post by **arun** » 16 Sep 2015 13:20

X Posted from the “Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc” thread.

Green on Green violence in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to determine who in the “Land of the Pure” is the Purest of them all, sees the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi dominated Military target the local population of Wana for the acts of the Military’s own spawn and onetime “Strategic Assets”, the un-uniformed Jihadi’s of the Taliban, who have now turned to freedom fighter Mujahideen seeking to overthrow Punjabi domination.

India must use all resources at her disposal to hold the Punjabi dominated Military to account for indulging in acts of collective punishment, as this case of demolitions are. Collective Punishment is prohibited by the Geneva Convention and is a war crime. The Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has an established past history of using Collective Punishment targeting Pathan’s residing in FATA under the dubious legality of the Frontier Crime Regulations:

Shops razed after military convoy bombed in Wana

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 16 Sep 2015 13:39

Newsweek Pakistan. Everyone is a cheerleader for Raheel these days. Looks like they are working on a counternarrative to Brand Modi.
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A Strategy for A Legacy

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Sep 15 2015 By Ejaz Haider

Ejaz Haider

Ishara S. Kodikara—AFP
Ishara S. Kodikara—AFP

Gen. Raheel Sharif’s three-pronged approach to overseeing operations across Pakistan is working.

A former Pakistan Air Force officer sent me a message along with the picture of a poster from Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf’s by-election campaign in Lahore’s NA-122 constituency. The poster shows a mugshot of the Army chief, Gen. Raheel Sharif, firmly in the middle, surrounded by smaller mugshots of the Quaid-e-Azam, Allama Iqbal, PTI Chairman Imran Khan, and the party’s candidate Aleem Khan.

The officer’s message read: “Hope ISPR [Inter-Services Public Relations] sees how inappropriate this is.” The message reflected a soldier’s professional, apolitical approach, and this officer comes from a long and distinguished line of fighter pilots and Army officers. My response to him: “ISPR is loving every moment of it.”

Thereby hangs our latest tale.

A few weeks ago, speaking at the National Management College on civil-military relations, I made two points. One, while analyses require that we posit the two entities as binaries, in reality that is not the case. While the military, given its strict vertical hierarchy and organizational cohesiveness, acts—or should act—as a single entity, the term ‘civilian’ has multiple shades. The umbrella term ‘military’ denotes a tightly coupled system, to use Charles Perrow’s term, while ‘civilian’ denotes different, differing and often bickering entities.

In an unbalanced political system, therefore, in terms of operating, the military will always have an edge over the civilians, an edge that a military, if it’s smart, will deftly leverage.

My second point was that the Pakistani military (read: Army), like any good military, has been adept at adapting. It has realized that being in the driver’s seat doesn’t really work too well. There’s also the realization that, after the initial ‘meray humwatno’, it requires the same old system that it had uprooted for being dysfunctional.

Once in the driver’s seat, it loses the time and gets the clock. The clock begins ticking and people start itching. Since miracles don’t happen—or at least have stopped happening for some reason—restiveness sets in. Murmuring follows, questions are asked, people take to the streets, the sheen comes off and, at some point, the system has to be returned to the same jokers that had been packed off.

The frontal approach has been tried before and has been found wanting. It’s time for the indirect approach.

It has worked and it is working. The best thing about it is that it is not about an individual, the Army chief, overstaying his welcome. It is about the institution and the institution’s place within the power configuration.

There are reasons for this new thinking. The country is troubled at several levels within. It is also troubled without. Without, many think it is more troubling than troubled. That creates an image problem. That also means an international environment that’s not too conducive to direct adventurism. The military, for all these reasons, is stressed and stretched. It cannot bear the heavy cross of direct involvement. But it cannot stand aloof, either.

It has created a new playbook, therefore. And the man behind this is the current No. 1, Raheel Sharif. The strategy is his. The brilliant execution of this strategy is by the operational commander of ISPR, Maj. Gen. Asim Bajwa.

Incidentally, this strategy is different from that of Gen. Sharif’s predecessor. Gen. Ashfaq Kayani’s second full tenure was about inertia at all levels. The reason? Gen. Kayani quid pro quo-ed with the PPP government: I get three more years to do nothing, you get the rest of your tenure for doing nothing.

This chief is different. I have never met him, but I have met and talked to many who know him in bits and pieces. And I know at least two of his course mates from the Pakistan Military Academy, one of whom was also his platoon mate. And I have observed him.

This is how the thinking goes: he is a doer. He is acutely conscious of his pedigree and his legacy. While his elder brother, Maj. Shabbir Sharif, sacrificed his life fighting a war and got Pakistan’s highest gallantry award, he wants to put his name alongside his brother’s by fighting another kind of war, in some ways more vital for the security and survival of this country than even the one that claimed his brother’s life.

The Army chief also believes, unlike many other officers, senior and mid-ranking, that getting rid of the system and bringing the Army in will not resolve the issues.

If direct intervention is costly and inertia is costlier, how must Raheel Sharif go about creating a niche for himself and also entrenching the military’s institutional place in the configuration?

Use a three-pronged strategy: act where others hadn’t dared go; leverage the politicians’ differences; employ a public relations campaign, to use military terminology, that has width, depth and concentration.

Not surprisingly, the projection of the first two relies heavily on the third. Actions are important but projection of those actions is even more important. The strategy of the indirect approach is grounded in perception management. Managing perceptions is crucial both in terms of making people see the difference between an Army chief constantly on the move and a bunch of politicians perceived to be sitting on their haunches doing nothing—or worse, wasting theirs and this country’s energies in fighting among themselves. This is what helps to leverage political differences.

Where previous Army chiefs, those who became coup-makers, relied on the 111 Brigade as their maneuvering force, this strategy has seen a bunch of highly efficient officers in ISPR, led by Maj. Gen. Bajwa, providing both the maneuvering force as well as supporting fire.

They use social media. They monitor and review everything, from newspapers to television programs. They reach out to those who want access and will play ball, and cut loose those who wouldn’t buy into the narrative or ask annoying questions—the list of what all they can, or do, is long. They are polite. In fact, very polite. But there’s a Pinteresque menace lurking in the shadows. If 111 Brigade was a hammer, they use the soft approach. It is an amazingly well-coordinated strategy.

But they are helped in this no less by the disarray among the civilians. Let me add that such disarray is not peculiar to Pakistan. But here, in terms of consolidating the transition, it becomes a problem. Compare, for instance, Gen. Sharif with Prime Minister Sharif, Information Minister Pervaiz Rashid with Maj. Gen. Bajwa, or the Ministry of Information with ISPR.

Let me reiterate: the strategy is not necessarily about reality. It is about perceptions. And, as studies have shown, perceptions are quick to form but resistant to change.

The narrative is subtly created. It rests on the fact that the majority will not deconstruct it. And that belief is empirically tested and testable. The tragicomedy in this is the sight of the politicians fighting with each other, each saluting the Army in turn and pointing to the other as the one that needs to be purged, even as all know who is calling the shots. Stockholm Syndrome doesn’t even begin to describe it. I offer Rs. 100 for whoever can coin the best, indigenous term for this phenomenon!

Coming full circle to where we began: the PTI poster. It is in line with the party’s newfound love for the military. Just pick up Imran Khan and his acolytes’ statements from 2012-14 and juxtapose them with how the party has changed.

Leave the poster aside. Check Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp, etc., and see real and bot accounts thanking Raheel Sharif and urging him to stay on and clean these Augean stables once and for all.

But here’s the thing. If I have understood this strategy right and, more importantly, if I have understood Gen. Sharif and his desire to go down in history right, he is very unlikely to go the Kayani route and seek an extension. The strength of this strategy and this perception management rests on the general’s leaving after scoring a ton. More Jacques Kallis, less Miandad.

Equally, however, this act of departing on a high note will not just be Gen. Sharif’s personal legacy. It will also put the Army, as an institution, atop Olympus. That too will be a feather in the general’s cap. Until then, of course, the poster, far from making ISPR queasy, will make them very happy.

That said, history is more a tale of men making irrational choices than rational ones. The Lord be praised.

Haider is editor of national-security affairs at Capital TV. He was a Ford Scholar at the Program in Arms Control, Disarmament and International Security at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and a Visiting Fellow at the Brookings Institution, Washington, D.C. He tweets @ejazhaider

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 16 Sep 2015 14:35

krithivas wrote:NEWS FLASH: Xerox Khan vows not to use any Apple products to protest PM Modi's meeting with CEO Tim Cook. Hope PM Modi meets the CEO of Fruit of the Loom.

That AQ Khan account is a fake account saar.
But Pakistan is itself a fake country so it doesn't matter.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 16 Sep 2015 14:50

Random Thoughts on "Strategy For Legacy":
1. Like all previous Army Chiefs, Raheel cannot be seen as less anti India hence the bombastic statements off and on.
2. Raheel, no doubt is more of a "doer".
3.Previous strategy of direct interference by Army wont work now due to Kerry-Lugar Act and changed world public opinion.
4. Pakis are still heavily dependent on American Dole; they are becoming more of a rentier state.
5. Pakistan's new sugar daddy are the Chinis.And they will be heavily relying on them to counter India's rise, even ceding them parts of Balochistan and POK
6. Ganja Sharif is being left alone ; he is ceremonial PM only ; maybe, has some kind of an informal understanding with the Bad Sherrif
7. Non - Pakjabi sections of Paki society are under pressure ( Mojahirs, Sindhis, Balochis, Pushtuns ) in the name of fighting "corruption" and "terrorism"
8. This scenario is unlikely to change in the near future, no matter, which political party is nominally in power by way of election
9. Relationship with India - no chances of improvement
10. Of course, there are many other factors, which are not included here; just my two paisa worth

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 Sep 2015 15:58

Alka_P wrote:Shiv saar has a point, a lot of shady deals go on right under our nose and now with our innocent minority radicalising rapidly, the threat is even greater. This thread should be strictly used as developments in bakistan and it's direct/indirect effects to India.

After this thread reaches its 72, name the next one appropriately. Not STFUP, but a tame "Pakistan-News and Analysis".

PS:
11. To Shiv's list, add the changing level of violence within Pakistan:
http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries ... alties.htm

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 Sep 2015 16:57

On another forum, a Shaan Taseer, presumably related to the Pakjab gov Salman Taseer wrote the following.
Wisdom dawns, but slowly.

It is also vital that we understand that the situation Pakistan is in today is a result of very bad decisions made by the State of Pakistan. It may be comforting to play the victim card and believe that RAW is behind all this, as many hyper nationalized Pakistani youth believe, and as many unscrupulous TV presenters claim; but the fact remains that there is no or scant evidence behind such claims, beyond statements of politicians and generals, whereas there is overwhelming and substantiated evidence of the hand of the State of Pakistan in creating these elements, in its pursuit of a disastrous foreign policy. Many media-age and show business fools in Pakistan believe they are being patriotic by blaming “foreign agencies” for all our terrorism, I say the greatest betrayal to Pakistan at this critical time would be to misdiagnose this predicament.

member_28921 · Post by **member_28921** » 16 Sep 2015 20:10

8,000 RAA agints arrested in Balochistan py Baki army, RAA plans foiled
http://www.dawn.com/news/1207343/more-t ... istan-govt

On a serious note, 8,000 means not just a few boys throwing stones or bands of gunmen, but an entire army. By arresting/jailing a large number of people, the state loses its authority - as people no longer fear prison - everyone has a friend/relative/acquaintance who has been a guest of the government. Something like this had happened in the occupied territory of Northern Ireland during the time dubbed as 'troubles'. As per the latest 'estimates' (no census), Balochistan had a population of 13.5 million. Half of these are wimmins, and can't be arrested by mard-e-armee 'officially' - another matter Baki army has long traditions of dealing with women in 'hostile' areas. As per the Bakistani statistics Pureau, 43% of the population is less than 14 years of age. That leaves 3.85 million abduls aged 14 or more - so 1 in every 500 of these has been picked up.

Godowns of RAA agints storing weapons demolished py Bak armee
http://tribune.com.pk/story/957285/shop ... d-in-wana/
It is wonderful that there is no civilian oversight of Pakistani army - so that they can retaliate against 'hostile' actions by demolishing homes, shops and farms - and bombing villages using air-force and artillery. This will ensure that the colonizing army of Bakistan will always have plenty of fight.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 16 Sep 2015 20:16

A_Gupta wrote:On another forum, a Shaan Taseer, presumably related to the Pakjab gov Salman Taseer wrote the following.
Wisdom dawns, but slowly.
It is also vital that we understand that the situation Pakistan is in today is a result of very bad decisions made by the State of Pakistan. It may be comforting to play the victim card and believe that RAW is behind all this, as many hyper nationalized Pakistani youth believe, and as many unscrupulous TV presenters claim; but the fact remains that there is no or scant evidence behind such claims, beyond statements of politicians and generals, whereas there is overwhelming and substantiated evidence of the hand of the State of Pakistan in creating these elements, in its pursuit of a disastrous foreign policy. Many media-age and show business fools in Pakistan believe they are being patriotic by blaming “foreign agencies” for all our terrorism, I say the greatest betrayal to Pakistan at this critical time would be to misdiagnose this predicament.

Wisdom is one thing.

But I ask, should a nation not have a "fundamental glue" that gives people a sense of nation. This was precisely the argument that was used to predict that India would fail. However, Hindu culture was a stronger glue than the Brits or the people who wanted Pakistan recognized. The Brits, for long saw themselves as a nation because of a common history and culture which they were unable to see in India and hence the poor prognostication.

To repeat a well worn story, it was assumed that Islam was a cohesive glue - an idea that deserves to be dismissed with the word "Bullshit". There is no Islam glue. Pakistan has no glue.

Pakistan has been held together as well as the Paki army can protect its borders. Where the Paki army retreats, Pakistan retreats. Of course the army has learned the art of extortion and blackmail. They promise a pliable plum for foreign powers to pluck and when it does not work as advertised they ask for help and money pointing usually at India. India is the only country in the world that has to deal with Pakistan but is not bribing Pakistan and not succumbing to threats. This makes the Pakistan army the only viable institution to hold Pakistani unity and this is recognized too well by the US (which fears the consequences of Paki state failure) and by China which must be deeply grateful to Pakistan for accepting their arms exports that no major country with money accepts. Pakistan cheerfully asks for and gets US arms while pretending that they are fully satisfied with what China gives them.

The Pakistan army can be described only by one expression "Cowardly leadership". Gradually they have outsourced all violence against India to Islamic terrorists while the use their tanks and planes against ragtag guerillas in the North west, Using Islamic forces against India is having one side effect that Pakistan did not anticipate - and that is Islam is openly being painted as a religion of bigotry and violence. Ten years ago Pakistanis were at the forefront of defending Islam against criticism. A Paki invented the word "Islamophobia" (how I hate that word). I don't hear a chirp from them now. The only thing Islam can do to redeem its reputation is to shut up and behave peaceful. The problem with this is that if Islam talks peace and the Paki army are afraid of war with India who will be left to fight India? This is where the Paki army are hoping ISIS will step in. They hope Islam in the form of ISIS will punish India and leave them alone. I don't think ISIS will do much in Pakistan or in India. Pakistan has its own Islamic extremists who are not interested in showing Islam to be peaceful. They want to show that they want to fight and kill. If the Paki army does not join them - they will fight the Paki army a fight that essentially sets the Pakistan army against its own Islamic ideology.

Bad Sharif will do nothing much. There will be no coup. I predict that Pakistan will, see at least another 5 years of "civilian rule". I don't see any way the army can step in and try and rule Pakistan because the west will claim that democracy has been discarded - a political hot potato for them. The west will accept a chronically failing Pakistan as long as the army does their work. the west, in the long term may not give a shit about Pakistan.

After all this, I still don't know where Pakistan is headed

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 16 Sep 2015 20:43

** Deleted for using pingreji **

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 16 Sep 2015 21:38

Falijee wrote:Random Thoughts on "Strategy For Legacy":
1. Like all previous Army Chiefs, Raheel cannot be seen as less anti India hence the bombastic statements off and on.
7. Non - Pakjabi sections of Paki society are under pressure ( Mojahirs, Sindhis, Balochis, Pushtuns ) in the name of fighting "corruption" and "terrorism"
8. This scenario is unlikely to change in the near future, no matter, which political party is nominally in power by way of election

Number Seven is pathway to Heaven and it require Indian Soothing golden touch to "duck" Pakjabian created hell. 71 type situation is developing fast and going by the current natural karmic trend,Pak may turn Khaak soon by the fire lighted by KhakinapakimiskeenjabihijabibinBarbadi. From all Indications, 2022 remain the year of judgement for Pakabila.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 16 Sep 2015 22:27

More than 8,000 suspected militants arrested: Balochistan govt

How long will they survive the Torture By Paki Army: Any Thing For China

UETTA: The Home Secretary of Balochistan, Akbar Hussain Durrani, on Wednesday stated that provincial law enforcement agencies have arrested more than 8,000 suspected militants after the implementation of the National Action Plan (NAP).“A total of 204 terrorists were killed by security forces during different operations and raids in the province,” said Durrani.He further added that out of the 204 terrorists killed, around 100 were high-profile terrorists.The home secretary also stated that 1,840 intelligence based operations (IBO) have been conducted in Balochistan after the implementation of NAP

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 16 Sep 2015 22:36

A worm took turn
Why I self-identify as an ‘Agnostic Muslim’

I prefer the label Agnostic Muslim as it reflects my doubts as well as my faith. I do believe in "something" - something beyond this material existence - something I can't define or quantify - you can call this "something" God if you want. Yet at the same time I believe it is impossible to prove or disprove its existence.However, I don't believe the Qur'an is infallible. I'm happy to accept that the scripture’s origin is God inspiring man to utter the words of the Qur'an. I think we are all inspired and driven by whatever power and forces drive this universe. But this inspiration comes through our fallible human mind and character.There maybe ultimate truth, but from our human perspective, truth is relative. So I am neither dogmatic nor insistent that my way is the only way. My faith is universalistic, inclusive, pluralistic and accepting of differences.If a Just and Merciful God exists, then he chose to create a world with plenty of reasonable doubt about his existence and about religion. In which case the only thing that would be of interest to such a God would be our actions. How we live our lives. The choices we make. The good we do and the love we show. Not whether we believed in him or not. Nor what religion – if any – you follow.I reject the traditional view of Heaven, Hell and the Day of Judgment. If there is some sort of reckoning, then it would be based on our actions not what religion we follow. Plus it would take into account our flawed nature and the fact that our freewill is limited at best and largely determined by biology and environment.I strongly believe that if Muslims were able to recognise the "human" origin of the Qur'an it would solve a great deal of our problems, while at the same time allowing them to retain their faith as Muslims. It is the belief in infallibility that is actually undermining Islam. Because it forces us to either invent dishonest and laughable apologetics or compels us towards harsh literalist views.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 16 Sep 2015 22:41

http://tribune.com.pk/story/957726/requ ... ndia-aziz/

Request for Nawaz-Modi meeting in US should come from India: Aziz

Premier’s top aide Sartaj Aziz said on Tuesday India will have to request Pakistan if it wants a meeting between prime ministers of both the countries on the sidelines of UN General Assembly in New York to be held later this month.Islamabad has not yet received any request from New Delhi for a meeting on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly, Aziz told the Indian newspaper. “Nothing so far,” he said, “If there is a request, our stand is clear. We want a discussion on all outstanding issues, including Kashmir.”Aziz clarified Pakistan will not have a ‘conditional’ meeting with India in New York, underlining the mutual distrust between the two sides. “India only wants to talk terror and we want a discussion on all issues, including Kashmir,” the newspaper quoted Aziz as saying.The prime ministers of both the countries are expected to be staying at the same hotel in New York and officials do not rule out a ‘chance of meeting’ between PM Nawaz and Modi. However, Pakistan has made it clear to the Indian government that it will keep meeting Hurriyat leaders.“Let me make it clear that we will continue to meet the Hurriyat. Even people in India are questioning the government on its rigid stand of us not meeting them,” Aziz said.