Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05, 2015

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Sep 2015 18:48

rohitvats wrote:The high number of casualties confirm my conjecture. But it seems there was a PA element as well in the establishment. This might have prevented an outright massacre. But this is a very well chosen target. Sign of good planning. Pakistan will have to literally double the security detail of its stand-alone and isolated military establishments like these.

rohit - no doubt good planning. But like all massacres it helps to have a ready supply of weapons and people to use them nearby.

This is the classic case of "If you keep poisonous snakes in your backyard hoping they will bite neighbours, sooner or later they will come and bite you" Unfortunately for the retards of the shitistan army and air force, what they have kept are not snakes. They are well trained armed militias with weapons, motivation and revenge on their minds.

The Paki army possibly is in a no win situation here. They cannot make peace with India without inciting more anger in Pakistan. They cannot make peace with the Taliban without bowing to them and killing off the morale of their own personnel. Hence the dumb retarded tactic of blaming Taliban action on India. What a laughable bunch of morons.

These same guys will have to protect Chinese engineers. Good.

Ultimately Pakistani society has inside it a fissure or dividing line beyond which they do not want sharia of the Taliban variety no matter how deeply Islamic they like to call themselves. Pakistanis who are fighting the Taliban seem to be seeking a mysterious state of Muslimness that hates India and Hindus but yet does not allow sharia in the way the Taliban want. This is an Islamic fissure - although like Bangladesh it could be an ethnic fissure as well with Pathans in the Taliban and Pakjabis on the other side. Where's that fukun Islamic glue?

Personally I can see no easy way out for the shitlanders.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Sep 2015 18:59

Sunjay wrote:Newby post.

Sunjay, welcome to BRf. Happy posting.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Sep 2015 19:15

So, the death toll at Badaber is mounting as the TTP-JA Emir Umar Khalid Khurasani claimed right at the beginning
42, including 13 terrorists, killed in Taliban attack on Pakistan air force base - ToI

At least 42 persons were killed, 16 of them inside a mosque, and more than 30 injured when Pakistani Taliban carried out a deadly attack on a base camp of Pakistan Air Force (PAF) in the northwestern city of Peshawar on Friday morning.

The military said that the dead included 13 terrorists, army captain and three PAF technicians. It said that attackers, wearing explosives-laden jackets and carrying AK-47 rifles, hand-propelled grenades and mortars, entered the PAF base camp in Peshawar's Badaber area after storming a guard post. After clearing their way, a group of them, attacked a nearby mosque, killing 16 worshippers there during morning prayers.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Sep 2015 19:16

Why are PA units within Badaber Air Force base?

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 18 Sep 2015 19:16

Footprints: Meet the meat

THE stench of rotten meat in Punjab is spreading and has seemingly reached Karachi. The social media and the news channels have been abuzz with reports about eateries and shops being sealed over the issue of dubious quality meat, the commodity being seized and people selling it being arrested. If Punjab became infamous for donkey meat and pork allegedly being offered for consumption, Sindh won’t be left behind either. We must also make a name for ourselves; dog and snake meat just might get us there.

Cheers

member_29171 · Post by **member_29171** » 18 Sep 2015 19:21

Thanks Sridhar Sir.
I look forward to contribute as well as get all the gyan about real pakistan on this forum.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 18 Sep 2015 20:39

Could this attack on the PAF Base in Peshawar, be an "Eid Toffah" from the TTP to the PA

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 18 Sep 2015 20:44

can I just say that today's jehadis are not a patch on the ones pesticided earlier in the decade. I yearn for the days when I could enjoy fried orions in peace.

Picklu · Post by **Picklu** » 18 Sep 2015 21:07

Err, orions can be easily replaced by the vast bone yards in massa. The orion trained personnel on the other hand ......

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 18 Sep 2015 21:20

Dipanker wrote:This is delicious! A big Aman ki Tamacha (slap) to the Pakis!

Pakistan remains least favoured nation in India

WASHINGTON: Pakistan is the least favoured nation in India with only 18 per cent seeking better relations with the neighbouring state while 64 per cent wanting to stay away from it, says a new survey released here on Thursday.

The survey by the Washington-based Pew Research Centre claims that nearly three-quarters see Pakistan as posing “a very serious threat to India”.

The survey also describes Pakistan as “a long-running and particularly neuralgic problem in India-US relations”.

There are 18% buffoons in India.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 18 Sep 2015 21:29

Dipanker wrote:This is delicious! A big Aman ki Tamacha (slap) to the Pakis!

Pakistan remains least favoured nation in India

WASHINGTON: Pakistan is the least favoured nation in India with only 18 per cent seeking better relations with the neighbouring state while 64 per cent wanting to stay away from it, says a new survey released here on Thursday.

The survey by the Washington-based Pew Research Centre claims that nearly three-quarters see Pakistan as posing “a very serious threat to India”.

The survey also describes Pakistan as “a long-running and particularly neuralgic problem in India-US relations”.

Karan M wrote: There are 18% buffoons in India.

Now , that's interesting. Congoons got about 19% votes in General election 2014.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 18 Sep 2015 21:30

Haha, the census numbers do tend to match.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 18 Sep 2015 21:33

Green On Green Rivalry In Pakistan - Maulana Jameel Vs Maulana Diesel

A Maulana For All Seasons?

Maulana Tariq Jameel, the influential orator of the Tableeghi Jamaat, was once again in the news, this time for his visit and iftar dinner at the home of yet another celebrity: PTI chief Imran Khan. Also present was the latter’s wife, Reham. A week after the event, in a talk show on TV, Tariq Jameel spoke about the ‘inside’ story of how the meeting with the Khans transpired, and what was discussed there.

Photos of the meeting were also released, depicting Maulana Jameel, his wife and son having dinner with Imran, Reham and another woman – a friend of Reham’s. In another picture, the Maulana is seen leading the evening prayers, while Imran and some others can be seen praying behind him.

The pictures generated much discussion. Some saw them as part of Imran Khan’s image-building campaign, demonstrating how much of a practicing Muslim he is. Certainly, to bolster this idea, are other pictures that have been posted on the internet, where Khan can be seen offering his prayers, even on his seat when on board a plane.

JUI-F supporters, the PTI’s political rivals in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa who are fierce critics of Imran Khan, meanwhile, are furious with the PTI for publicising for political gain what they contend was a purely personal meeting. They have also taken on Maulana Tariq Jameel, claiming he acts in contravention of Islamic teachings and even of what he preaches himself, citing as a case in point the pictures of dinner at the Khans, where he is seen sitting around the same table with na mehram women who are not in purdah.

The Maulana’s followers respond by extolling his virtues, his ‘noble’ intentions and his success in influencing — often through assorted unorthodox means — cricket players, politicians, actors, singers, stage dancers and women working in red light areas, particularly Heera Mandi in Lahore,[*] to become good Muslims. -

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[*] Is this sanctioned by the Book

After the cricketers, the Maulana zeroed in on women stage dancers and prostitutes from the red light areas to reform them. Coverage of these activities made headlines, [*]beginning with Nargis, a popular stage dancer and Punjabi film actress, who quit showbiz and vowed to live her life as per Islamic teachings. Subsequently, many other lesser known actresses and performers followed her path.

With his public persona a potentially sure-fire commercial draw, since last year, PTV has been hosting a Ramzan special show, Roshni Ka Safar, in which recorded lectures of Maulana Tariq Jameel are aired. And as per PTV sources, the programme has done much better than most dramas aired on prime time with a star cast. It mustered millions in advertisement revenue last year, and has reportedly had a similar response this year as well.

[*] No different than the other publicity hungry maulanas who want to raise their piety in Islamic hungry Pakistan

On the political front, the Maulana enjoys good terms with influential political families like the ruling Sharifs, the Chaudharys of Gujarat, and the family of former Chief Minister Punjab, Chaudhry Parvez Elahi. When Maulana Tariq Jameel’s wife charged the staff of a beauty salon with stealing money from her purse, it was a member of Parvez Elahi’s family who helped resolve the issue. Former Chief Minister Sindh Arbab Ghulam Rahim, meanwhile, employed Maulana Jameel to motivate his bureaucratic staff through his sermons. And a couple of months ago, the Federal Board of Revenue, for the first time in its history, asked a religious scholar – i.e. the Maulana — to deliver a motivational lecture to customs officers. The Maulana spoke on ‘Morality, Ethics and Public Service Delivery.’[*]

[*] The esteemed maulana appears to have his fingers in many Paki Pies

That hardline notwithstanding, Maulana Jameel has tried to portray himself as someone above the sectarian divide. He personally went to the Tahirul Qadri-run network of seminaries and lauded their services for people, while also visiting assorted mosques of the Shia sect in Gilgit-Baltistan, in a purported bid to promote religious harmony.[*] However, these actions did not go down too well with the Tableeghi Jamaat, which hardly has any members other than those from the Deobandi sect.[*][*] Yet, Maulana Jameel remains embedded in the Jamaat to date. Mutual need obviously supersedes even ego.

[*] The Maulana, being the shrewd political animal apparently wants to play both sides ( Sunni, Shia) of the Ummah divide

[*][*] Hope that the respected maulana is also aware that the Head of his Sect, the elusive Sheikh Gilani of Lahore, who has "good ties with the Deep State" was alleged to be involved in the mysterious kidnapping and subsequent beheading of WSJ reporter, Daniel Pearl, per French author Bernard Levy.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 Sep 2015 21:45

PAF Badaber camp attack was planned, controlled from Afghanistan: DOG ISPR

Peshawar Pushes Paki PaglaBagla

PESHAWAR: Major-General Assim Baj-wa on Friday said that the attack on Pakistan Air Force (PAF) Badaber camp earlier in the day was planned and controlled from Afghanistan.The DOG ISPR held a press conference following the attack on PAF Badaber camp earlier in the day and provided details of the attack and follow-up actions by security forces.“The terrorists then split in to two groups, with eight militants heading towards the administrative area of the base while the other group headed towards the technical area,” added the ISPR head.“Once the terrorists entered the facility, they were contained within 50 metres of either side of the gate, and were not able to advance towards their objectives.”The head of the ISPR confirmed that the ensuing firefight took place within the small area which also housed the base’s mosque, which “unfortunately became a target for the attackers, and they rushed in and opened fire on the people present for morning prayers.”The DG ISPR explained to the media personnel present that the ensuing attack on those present in the mosque and a barracks building next to the mosque caused the most casualties during the attack, as the attackers lobbed grenades and opened fire on the worshipers present.“At least 29 people have been martyred -- 23 from air force, three from army and three civilians,” AFP quoted Bajwa as saying. The ISPR spokesperson said that 29 people were also wounded during the attackMaj Gen Bajwa also appreciated the media for its objective reporting and informing the people regarding the developments announced by the ISPR in a timely manner.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 18 Sep 2015 22:02

Jhujar wrote:PAF Badaber camp attack was planned, controlled from Afghanistan: DOG ISPR
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Absolutely no empathy for track-II with Afghans about how Afghans also suffer from non-state jihadi terror.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 18 Sep 2015 22:10

PAF Badaber camp attack was planned, controlled from Afghanistan: DOG ISPR

aiyyo...looks like baakis have discovered a Aghan Yehudi Yindoo Yankee quadruple Agint (AYYYA)

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 18 Sep 2015 23:38

Nandipur power project: Govt decides to outsource operations to Chinese firm

ISLAMABAD: As controversy over the 425-megawatt Nandipur power project intensifies,the government has found a way out and decided to outsource operations of the plant to the Chinese engineering, procurement and construction (EPC) contractor, Dongfang Electric Corporation, for a period of six months.

“It has been decided to give the operation and maintenance contract to Chinese EPC contractor Dongfang as an interim arrangement before the award of international competitive bids,” a senior government official said while talking to The Express Tribune.

“The Nandipur power plant requires a furnace oil treatment plant with an annual capacity of 30 million tons, but the treatment plant has the capacity to process 19 million tons only.”

The country faced a loss of $1.64 billion in the wake of delay in the Nandipur project by the previous government. In order to make the project operational, the current government paid $80 million in loan mark-up to banks on the seized plant equipment at the Karachi Port, $7 million in demurrages, $50 million for replacing defective parts and $19 million as escalation cost.

Cwapistan is outsourcing evelything to Higel than the Himalaya Fliend. They might as well beg Beijing to take over the Luling of Cwapistan.

Added Later : From the Comments Section : surprisingly same company Dongfang built number of projects in India, if they fail in Pakistan its because of Sharifs brothers machoism without professionalism
http://www.decindia.co.in/indianprojects.html
Cheers

saip · Post by **saip** » 19 Sep 2015 00:03

Is the figure 30 million tons correct? It appears to be way too high.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 19 Sep 2015 01:31

Mush at his best around 4:40 of this 5 minute video...

Pakistan has the capacity to turn ON or OFF Infiltration in Kashmir

sum · Post by **sum** » 19 Sep 2015 03:21

The head of the ISPR confirmed that the ensuing firefight took place within the small area which also housed the base’s mosque, which “unfortunately became a target for the attackers, and they rushed in and opened fire on the people present for morning prayers.”

Either the freedom fighters were specifically looking for certain folks in the mosque during prayer time ( ala the older TSPA mosque attacks in Isloo etc) or this is just disinformation by ISPR to reduce support among aam-Abdul by emphasizing about how "unIslamic" TTP even attacked mosques and so are not worth supporting.

Anyways, am sure many more details of who exactly was hallaled and what was actual motive will turn up in a few days, im sure

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 19 Sep 2015 03:38

Peregrine wrote:Nandipur power project: Govt decides to outsource operations to Chinese firm

Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nandipur_Power_Project

n January 2008, Pakistan Electric Power Company (PEPCO) signed a Rs. 23 billion ($329 million) contract with Dong Fang Electric Corporation of China to construct the Nandipur Power Project and paid it a 10 per cent down payment. By mid-2010, much of the work at this power project was complete and it was expected be finished on schedule in April 2011.

However, the project suffered delays as the summary, sent by the Ministry of Water and Power for legal opinion of the Ministry of Law & Justice, remained pending with the latter for two years from March 2010 to March 2012. As a result, machinery worth $85 million remained stuck at the Karachi Port for over two years.

In September 2012, the president of Dongfang Electric Corporation Zhang Guorong terminated the contract for the construction of the Nandipur power project, saying his company had suffered colossal losses because machinery worth $85 million had been awaiting clearance at the Karachi Port. The company also demanded $40 million as compensation for losses suffered because of depreciation and damages on machinery stranded at the Karachi Port for the two years.

In June 2013, Pakistan's Ministry of Water and Power started renegotiating the contract with Dongfang Electric Corporation to resume work on the Nandipur Power Project. After days of negotiations, the firm agreed to resume work on the power station. On July 8, 2013 engineers of Dongfang Electric Corporation arrived in Karachi to inspect the machinery lying at the Karachi Port and secure its release. Later, work on the Project was restarted.

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif inaugurated the first turbine of the project on 31 May 2014. But the plant remained operational for only five days after the inauguration and had to be shutdown due to mismanagement and use of inappropriate fuel.

From the press reports, it looks like the project began as diesel-powered, then turned to heavy fuel oil, and has the possibility of being upgraded to natural gas.

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Regarding how much oil, this Canadian fuel oil power station at 450MW (or is it 300MW) burns 6000 barrels of fuel oil a day. That comes to about 3 lakh metric tons per year. With Paki 100-fold exaggeration that turns into 30 million tons per year for the Nandipur project.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holyrood_ ... ng_Station

Per the web, (e.g., http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?country=pk ) Pakistan used 437K barrels of petroleum per day in 2014. This translates to 20.5 million metric tons per year.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 19 Sep 2015 04:34

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x377k ... nsion_news
Jernail Rawmush may extend his own Tenure. Time is changing .

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x377l ... -army_news
Mushholeband ave at LOC

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 19 Sep 2015 05:27

So basically DG-ISPR is alleging that they have intercepts that the attack was planned and executed by Afghanistan. This might or might not be true. I am leaning on true. It is because usually Pakistan blames India, if they went out of their way to blame Afghanistan they might have had some proof

If true, then it is Ghani signalling them that he too can play the Paki game. Recently Sartaj Aziz said that Pakistan had done a lot to unify the taliban and now the ball is in Afghanistan's court. Mere talks wont suffice to end terrorism in Afghanistan, they need to give "concessions". Essentially, the same Paki canned statement about JK. Except Afghanistan is not India and they are fighting back.

In all this serious business, there is comic relief. Munawar Hasan, the ex chief of Jamaat-e-Islami is caught in a bind. He cannot condemn the Taliban (he supports them), in this new environment of bad sharif, he cannot support the taliban. So he has roundly condemned Hindus from India for the attack

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Sep 2015 05:28

Is there any logic behind giving work visas to Pakistanis in the fields of modelling, acting to do work in small-hearted kufr India? See how shameless they talk.

After spending only a week in Delhi, model Saimaa Azhar realised that she should be living in India and not in Pakistan. "I feel main wahan galti se drop ho gayi hoon, I should be in India. My mother is originally from Lucknow and my father is from Hardoi in UP. So, my family roots are in UP. {Some kind of the usual Pakistani 'entitlement'}

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 19 Sep 2015 05:58

PM orders inquiry into technical fault in Shahbaz Sharif’s aircraft

Talabani Failure in Paki Season

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has ordered immediate inquiry into the incident of technical fault in the plane of Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif after it took off from Lahore on Friday morning.According to PM Office spokesman, the Prime Minister thanked the Almighty that all passengers including the Chief Minister and crew members remained safe.CM Punjab's aircraft escaped an incident on Friday after it took off from Lahore for Islamabad.Sources said, the aircraft developed a technical fault after take-off and began experiencing severe urbulence.Geo News reported, at one point the pilot was not sure if he would be able to land the plane safely.However, the bad pilot managed to land the plane safely without incident.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 19 Sep 2015 08:12

Indian fisherman killed as Pak Navy fires at two boats off Gujarat coast
http://atimes.com/2015/09/indian-fisher ... f-gujarat/
An Indian fisherman was killed off Dwarka in Gujarat when Pakistan Maritime Security Agency (PMSA) personnel fired about 5 to 6 rounds at two fishing boats.
The dead fisherman riding a boat Premraj was identified as Iqbal Bhatti, 40.
He died of injuries after being hit by a bullet on the right collar bone.

Do wish anything at the Pakistani harbor and anything that sails out of Pakistan sinks to the bottom of the sea.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 19 Sep 2015 08:52

SSridhar wrote:Is there any logic behind giving work visas to Pakistanis in the fields of modelling, acting to do work in small-hearted kufr India? See how shameless they talk.
After spending only a week in Delhi, model Saimaa Azhar realised that she should be living in India and not in Pakistan. "I feel main wahan galti se drop ho gayi hoon, I should be in India. My mother is originally from Lucknow and my father is from Hardoi in UP. So, my family roots are in UP. {Some kind of the usual Pakistani 'entitlement'}

All PYTs from Pakistan are welcomed as possession of pocket or hand.

arun · Post by **arun** » 19 Sep 2015 08:58

uddu wrote:Indian fisherman killed as Pak Navy fires at two boats off Gujarat coast
http://atimes.com/2015/09/indian-fisher ... f-gujarat/
An Indian fisherman was killed off Dwarka in Gujarat when Pakistan Maritime Security Agency (PMSA) personnel fired about 5 to 6 rounds at two fishing boats.
The dead fisherman riding a boat Premraj was identified as Iqbal Bhatti, 40.
He died of injuries after being hit by a bullet on the right collar bone.

Do wish anything at the Pakistani harbor and anything that sails out of Pakistan sinks to the bottom of the sea.

Reposting from previous page.

NDTV quoting IG Op's of our Coast Guard reports that it is still not confirmed attack was carried out by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

The ship that fired had no markings and didn't fly a flag. It had about 40 people on board and slightly bigger than the Indian fishing vessel. Till we do a through investigation it will be difficult to pin-point the people behind the firing," Inspector General Operations of Cost Guard VSR Murty told NDTV

Sources said it is not confirmed yet whether the ship belonged to Pakistan's coast guard, the Maritime Security Agency or MSA, as some early reports suggested.

The attackers could also have been armed fishermen, the sources said.

One Killed as Unmarked Ship Fires at Indian Fishing Boat Off Gujarat Coast

member_29172 · Post by **member_29172** » 19 Sep 2015 09:22

SSridhar wrote:Is there any logic behind giving work visas to Pakistanis in the fields of modelling, acting to do work in small-hearted kufr India? See how shameless they talk.
After spending only a week in Delhi, model Saimaa Azhar realised that she should be living in India and not in Pakistan. "I feel main wahan galti se drop ho gayi hoon, I should be in India. My mother is originally from Lucknow and my father is from Hardoi in UP. So, my family roots are in UP. {Some kind of the usual Pakistani 'entitlement'}

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Have a heard a lot of these shameless pukies crying about not getting a visa to visit their "ancestral land/home" and how they have heard so much about it and want to visit it and kiss its soil etc. etc. Wonder why they did the drama for ijjlamic land if the ancestral land was so dear to them. Ofcourse the Hindus are only evil when talking about Kashmir, not when getting free medical help or disaster relief mollah during floods or free electricity/fuel or bringing in their ijjlamic madrassa educated singers and mujra dancers. The candle burning sickulars have filled Bollywood with these shameless b*stards. Their shitty songs sounds more like a qawali-namaaz remix than an actual Hindi song.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Sep 2015 09:22

Continuing with the topic of what has changed in 15 years, people who have followed reports of Pakistan's nuclear weapons program may recall that Pakistan was not supposed to have enough Uranium for endless manufacture of weapons. The numbers of weapons and their weights were speculated upon and then forgotten.

Now we have an entirely new genre of reports. In the new reports Pakistan has tactical nuclear weapons ready to be shot at attacking Indian forces from the Hatf missile with a range of 60 km. Also Pakistan is now surging ahead in the numbers of nukes and is set to reach a stage where they will have more nukes than China.

Clearly the people who write these reports and release them for public consumption have either seen something new or have started thinking differently, so I tried to dig into what has changed in the last 15 years. More puzzling to me is the apparent lack of concern at Pakistan's wild proliferation. No one seems to be worrying a lot. Pakistan, - i.e the Paki army, for its part has never argued against these reports except for one recent denial. Most Pakis have supported the idea that Pakistan is making small tactical nukes and point at India's Pu stocks as an excuse for Pakistan's weapon count proliferation

When I go and look at various reports "then" and "now" they are consistent in saying that Pakistan's internal Uranium ore stocks should run out by 2020. They are also consistent in calculating the increasing amounts of weapons grade Uranium and Pu Pakistan had in 1998, 2001, 2011 etc. I have tried to make sense of what has changed and what has not.

As regards weapons grade fisile material - it appears that Shitistan will be expected to have by the 2015 to 2020 time about 3000 kg of WG (Weapons Grade) Uranium and 450 kg of WG Pu. So what has changed?

What has changed is the way observers and "experts" do their calculations. In the old days Pakistan (and NoKo) were dismissed as having "crude" weapons needing 25 kg U or 6 kg Pu. Using such a calculation Pakistan can get at most 120 Uranium bombs and 75 Pu bombs for a total of 185 weapons.

Now they are saying that design of a working bomb is the least of the problems. Most countries that get on with the process will soon be able to design light and compact bombs. Of course no one is talking about 200 kt Thermonuclear bombs. They are talking about working fission bombs with relatively low yields of 1 to 15 kilotons depending on efficiency, size, weight and design. Now they are saying "medium tech" level nations like Pakistan can make Uranium bombs with just 6 kg U and Pu bombs with 2 kg. Using this metric one could calculate that Pakistan could have 500 warheads of Uranium and 225 Pu warheads giving a total of over 700 warheads. In general Pakistan has the choice of having about 180 bigger weapons for which they may or may not have the delivery capability, or 700 small warheads of somewhat dubious yield to be placed on Hatf/Nasr. Or some combination of the two.

I spent some time looking at details of what has been achieved and what is achievable terms of warheads

In general I find that most "big bums" - ie anything more than 10 kt up to 150 kt tend to have warhead diameters of 40 cm or a bit more. So an actual missile diameter would be larger than that. Warheads can get smaller than 30 cm diameter, but efficiency goes down for the amount of fissile material used and ultimately the bomb yield may be 0.2 kt or just 1 kt.

With Shitistan's Hatf being 30 cm diameter and Wiki claiming warheads of 0.5 to 5 kt the data falls on the borderline. It should be possible to build a less than 30 cm warhead by reducing everything but it may well give only 0.2 kt. Even 5 Kt may be an overestimate. However if Pakis have built such warheads they will not care whether it is 0.2 kt or 2 kt. Anything that goes "boom" without prior testing will be taken as success.

The real issue is what will they do with these warheads even if they do work?
Here are some relevant self explanatory images
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Used in a battlefield against NBC ready armor - a 0.2 kiloton warhead is unlikely to do much damage or stop an Indian advance. In return India has no way of retaliating other than by hitting deep inland targets of Pakistan. Use of tactical nukes by Pakistan will ensure that Pakistan is finished.

Of course Pakis may choose to test Hindu willpower or cowardice by launching a nuke at an Indian attacking column. The only question is how much they can provoke before they get nuked.

Pakistan could use one small nuke within its own borders and claim that India is cowardly because we did not retaliate and Pakistan survived nuclear war. I would not put this beyond the Pakjabi army. They have done worse in the past.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 19 Sep 2015 09:36

shiv wrote:Continuing with the topic of what has changed in 15 years, people who have followed reports of Pakistan's nuclear weapons program may recall that Pakistan was not supposed to have enough Uranium for endless manufacture of weapons. The numbers of weapons and their weights were speculated upon and then forgotten..e within its own borders and claim that India is cowardly because we did not retaliate and Pakistan survived nuclear war. I would not put this beyond the Pakjabi army. They have done worse in the past.

Cold Start Doctrine – An Anal ytical Study
Let Col Kha lidh Ma sood Khan (Retd)
http://nation.com.pk/columns/19-Sep-201 ... ical-study

As regards to Pakistan’s reaction, the doctrine undermines Pakistan’s military in terms of numbers and given the capability of the mechanised divisions as mentioned above, believes that few of the multiple onslaughts of these divisions at a number of theatres would be successful. However, in terms of non-conventional warfare, the doctrine presumes that since Indian offensive would not be heavy and deep and only aimed at “biting and holding” small chunks of lands in Pakistan territory, that would not give Pakistan a cogent reason to cross the nuclear threshold. However, if Pakistan does so, in that case, India would finally survive having more strategic depth against Pakistan, which would be completely annihilated.
Cold Start doctrine has many flaws; it may look very good on papers but is basically not in consonance with the psyche of Indian Army. Basing on the past experience of four wars, Indian Army has shown reactive and slow responses. Indian Military training environment is basically more bookish, designed and trained to plan meticulously which results in lack of initiative and slow reactions. Whereas the doctrine demands very swift, aggressive and proactive actions, which call for a complete change of environment for training and development, a time consuming factor. In the past wars, Indian Army, in order to ensure victory has shown reliance on overwhelming majority which results in employment of excess forces in an area with little regard to the consideration of terrain; the most important factor in military strategy, which results in heavy casualties; a great demoralising factor. The second greatest tank battle of Chawinda fought in September 1965 is a glaring example of this strategy; where India pumped in an armour division and was beaten back by only one tank regiment of Pakistan Army inflicting 160 tank casualties. While relying on overwhelming majority, the capability of Pakistan Army to halt, absorb and counter attack the Indian onslaught and to launch its offensive corps’ in retaliation have also been undermined. Finally, their perception for Pakistan’s reaction not to cross the nuclear threshold is again misplaced by Indian Military. Pakistan having very low depth as compared to India is highly vulnerable and is likely to use its nukes; minimum at the tactical level, whenever feels a serious threat to its sovereignty.
Although the Indian Military officially deny of having any such doctrine and propagate that they only maintain defensive posture, however, they have cunningly kept it a ‘leaked secret’ with a view to deter Pakistan. As per analysts’, the Cold Start doctrine is only a deterrent which can never be implemented. It is designed to keep the Pakistani Generals preoccupied and busy. It’s like the Star Wars (Strategic Defense Initiative Doctrine) coined by the USA during cold war period to deter USSR, which did not actually exist. At the international level the Cold Start doctrine is looked upon with suspicion and concern, the former with regard to the capability of Indian Army for its implementation and the later for escalation of tension in South Asia between two nuclear powers. As per their opinion, in retaliation to the new doctrine, Pakistan would be forced to produce tactical nukes (small nuclear bombs having localised effects) and in case these tactical nukes fall into the hands of terrorists, it would be the West or even Pakistan which would be affected and not India in any case.
Given the mass and volume of Indian Military as compared to Pakistan which is manifold, supplemented by the aggressive designs as envisaged in the Cold Start doctrine, poses a serious threat to Pakistan. This doctrine besides creating hype in arms race between two countries will also have a heavy cost on their national exchequers, pushing the populations into deep poverty. India has to be mindful of the reality that Pakistan Army being one of the best armies of the world complemented by its indigenously produced modern military hardware to include Al-Khalid tanks, JF thunder aircrafts and recently manufactured drones having laser guided missiles has the complete capability to destroy any aggression on its borders even in the Indian territory before any assembly of forces. In addition, Pakistan’s nuclear capability at the tactical and strategic levels with excellent delivery systems supplemented by the second strike capability has an effective deterrent. The daring message given by General Raheel Sharif is no doubt an indication that we are ready for any Cold or Hot adventure. His statement will hopefully remind Indian Military not to play with the balance of power in this region.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 19 Sep 2015 16:54

Imran Khan And Donald Trump Are Equal Equal - Paki Columnist

Pakistan’s Donald Trump
Pervez Hoodbhoy

Even his fellow Republicans have labelled him insane. But, defying the predictions of all soothsayers and political pundits, Donald Trump’s still surging popularity with Republican voters suggests that he could become America’s next president. The first step, now within reach, will be winning the Republican Party’s nomination.

An American political commentator, John Dean (of Watergate fame), describes Trump as “a near perfect authoritarian leader” with a personality type that is “intimidating and bullying, faintly hedonistic, vengeful, pitiless, exploitive, manipulative, dishonest, cheat to win, highly prejudiced, mean-spirited, militant, nationalistic, tell others what they want to hear, take advantage of ‘suckers’, specialise in creating false images to sell self, may or may not be religious.”

Take away the “faintly” and this neatly fits Trump’s Pakistani counterpart, cricketer Imran Khan, who burst upon Pakistan’s political scene with his mammoth Lahore jalsa of 2011. With a lavish lifestyle and his playboy past neatly tucked away in some closet the reformed Khan promised the moon as he cavorted on the stage, loudly praying towards Makkah for success.

Khan’s support base is diverse: college-educated “burger bachas”, brigades of bejewelled begums, hysterical semi-educated youth, and wild-eyed TTP supporters. Delighting them all, he unleashes from time to time a steady stream of abuse upon his political rivals who threaten to sue him but are ultimately deterred by Pakistan’s labyrinthine court system.

Why do such leaders attract followers? First, each can confidently claim that he is his own man, a top-of-his-game type. He can convincingly label political rivals as midgets, corrupt, or incompetent (Khan’s job is easier than Trump’s).

A second reason: both men are unabashed narcissists. But shouldn’t this turn people off rather than on? In normal life narcissism is considered a personality disorder, but not so in politics.

Khan’s ideas make even Trump’s hare-brained schemes look tame. Once I’m in power, Khan declared, I will end corruption in 19 days and terrorism in 90 days. The 19 was subsequently changed to 90; the need for an additional 71 days remained unexplained. But let’s put that aside. It’s now 887 days since Khan’s PTI took over the reins of the KP province. The end of corruption and terrorism should be nigh, right? But don’t hold your breath.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 19 Sep 2015 17:38

Terrorists attack police station in Charsadda

Section 144 imposed in Peshawar for one month

More such reports are likely to surface in the wake of the "revenge attack" on the PAF Base near Peshawar ; wait for the fireworks to come

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 19 Sep 2015 17:56

PPP’s important meeting starts in Dubai[*][/url]

[*] Can only happen in Pakistan- where a major opposition party, whose leader (Dus Percenti ) for all practical purposes, has exiled himself abroad, summons his party cronies to a " friendly foreign country" to discuss internal party strategy in the wake of clampdown by the military authorities in the name of "fighting corruption and terrorism"

Equivalent to Sonia Gandhi/ Rahul Gandhi calling the top Congress leadership for a strategy session , either in Nepal or Sri Lanka

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 19 Sep 2015 18:18

PR stories on how great Pakistan is for tourists:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/958632/paki ... pt-secret/
http://www.dawn.com/news/1208023/arrivi ... -his-visit

Just a reminder, from 2009, similar type stories:
http://www.dawn.com/news/812915/pakista ... vs-reality

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 19 Sep 2015 18:56

In the per capita statistics of Pakistan, the biggest uncertainty is the denominator - the population of Pakistan.
For 2015, estimates range from 199,085,847 ( http://www.census.gov/popclock/print.ph ... nt=counter ) to 189.9 million ( http://countrymeters.info/en/Pakistan ) Everything else, e.g., the weightage given to various samples in a sample survey, becomes uncertain because of this.

deWalker · Post by **deWalker** » 20 Sep 2015 02:04

shiv wrote:
This is the classic case of "If you keep poisonous snakes in your backyard hoping they will bite neighbours, sooner or later they will come and bite you" Unfortunately for the retards of the shitistan army and air force, what they have kept are not snakes. They are well trained armed militias with weapons, motivation and revenge on their minds.

Let's back this up with data, for those lovable PakLurks that visit this site.

From SATP figures, the cumulative Civilian + Service Personnel who died in Kashmir, from 1998 - 2015: (Link here)
14721 Civilians
6175 Servicemen
22927 Terrorists - Pakis, whether by birth or mindset

Meanwhile, the Pakistani count for deaths betwee 2003 to 2015 are: (link Link Here)
20639 Civilians (!)
6274 Servicemen (i.e. terrorists in the employ of PakArmy)
31994 Terrorists (presumably this is terrorists not wearing PakArmy uniform)

What a laughable bunch of morons.

Quaid-E-Duh! The tactically brilliant Pakis have managed to kill more of their own ilk than anyone else in a much shorter time period.

Personally I can see no easy way out for the shitlanders.

And every interaction with the *deleted* nation to our West must continue to press our boot to their head

Diwakar

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Sep 2015 03:35

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 20 Sep 2015 04:16

Paki Anal-yst Singing Paeans For Raheel ; Drumbeat Begins For "Bad Sherrif's " Extension

An insidious agenda

There can be little doubt Gen Raheel Sharif hasn’t put a foot wrong in the popular perception since being elevated to the position of the chief of army staff and continues to accelerate ahead in approval ratings. What could derail him?

Rather than belonging to the camp of so-called thinking generals who came to represent inertia or ‘paralysis by analysis’ (a term I heard from within the army itself), the general is seen as a ‘doer’ and thus brought welcome relief when brakes were applied to the seemingly unending slide towards anarchy, fanatical, mass-murdering religious extremism and urban terrorism/lawlessness.[*][/b]

[*] All his doings in the name of fighting corruption and /or domestic terrorism has been against the Non - Pakjabi sections of Paki society (ie Sindhi/Mohajir and Baloch/Pashtuns)

Although the military’s impressive PR machine headed by the proactive Maj-Gen Asim Bajwa did not publicise it, I am told by reliable sources that those found responsible for the failure to protect our young APS students were punished, and the court-martialled included a brigadier.

Gen Musharraf, who gave himself not one three-year extension but nearly double that in duration has now called for a decision for the incumbent chief and painted a dire scenario if that did not happen. How the slide into anarchy continued at his ‘extended’ watch is now well recorded.

It isn’t a secret how unhappy Musharraf was with Gen Kayani because, in his view, the latter didn’t help him on his return from exile and when the treason case was initiated against him. It was only when the incumbent came to office that the former military ruler got respite. [*]So, one can’t be sure if he is suggesting what he is as he could also be equating his own interest with the national interest.

[*] News reports have suggested that the " Bad Sherrif " has a "soft corner" for Mushy and on his watch, Badmash is unlikely "to take revenge" against the Kamandu

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Sep 2015 05:08

deWalker wrote: From SATP figures, the cumulative Civilian + Service Personnel who died in Kashmir, from 1998 - 2015: (Link here)
14721 Civilians
6175 Servicemen
22927 Terrorists - Pakis, whether by birth or mindset

Meanwhile, the Pakistani count for deaths betwee 2003 to 2015 are: (link Link Here)
20639 Civilians (!)
6274 Servicemen (i.e. terrorists in the employ of PakArmy)
31994 Terrorists (presumably this is terrorists not wearing PakArmy uniform)

True. But, for a nation which conducted a genocide on its own land killing several million own citizens and sending ten million refugees to India, the above figures are no big deal. Besides, Pakistan has clamped down on news gathering in FATA and Balochistan with the result the figures are what are supplied by the ISPR. So, these cannot be trusted. However, there are other qualitative issues behind these numbers which are important.

The most important difference is that those who killed the PA servicemen were those who were funded, brainwashed, trained and sustained by the PA itself for its strategic goals against India & Afghanistan. The PA used to take pride in them and would willingly praise them once again if they switch sides. So, the terrorists and the PA sevicemen are indistinguishable as we all know here.

The way India encountered terrorism in J&K is qualitatively different from how Pakistan handles the situation. The officers of the Indian armed forces lead from the front in order to ensure minimum collateral damage to civilians and in the process willing to even give up their lives. Pakistan, OTOH, resorts to aerial strafing including fixed-wing, rotary a/c and now drones, usage of artillery, demolition of entire villages due to scorched-earth policy etc. The usage of the Air Force against its own people started as early as March 1948 when Kalat was annexed by Jinnah. Therefore, the number of dead servicemen (that too in a shorter timeframe) in Pakistan tells a tale, they were largely killed not in combat leading from the front but while eating in the mess, or while praying or by IEDs while being 'convoy'ed, and in other suicide attacks. They were sitting ducks.