Terrorist Naashi Doval Ghutti, Aik Hi Doze Kaafi hai .Amber G. wrote:We have resolved to deepen cooperation on counter-terrorism and extremism.

Terrorist Naashi Doval Ghutti, Aik Hi Doze Kaafi hai .Amber G. wrote:We have resolved to deepen cooperation on counter-terrorism and extremism.
Don't you think this oiseule was calling for foreign invasion/ terrorism to overthrow India's government? Rediff deleted that debate and left only PR comments there.But today, we can ask: Who were the patriots? Those who rallied to the defence of a murderous madman who, less than a year after the plot, had completed the job of leading his country into devastation? The madman himself?
Or were the patriots the men like Stauffenberg, who tried to rid their country of the disease of Nazism and died trying? What about Rommel, who fought hard and with immense distinction in North Africa even as he grew disillusioned with Hitler? Was he a patriot?
Sixty years on, another war has come and gone. As wars do, this one has left in its wake many of the same questions about patriotism that Stauffenberg raised when he slipped that briefcase under that table.
During the weeks of war in Iraq, we heard a lot about Iraqis -- not just soldiers, but ordinary citizens -- fighting hard for Saddam and country. Some had even returned to Iraq from abroad, leaving behind jobs and family to 'defend the fatherland'. Many hated Saddam, but nevertheless believed that their duty as Iraqis was to battle the invaders from Britain and the US: 'my country, right or wrong', haven't we heard that before? Patriots all: in various Indian corners, what these warriors -- particularly the men who came back to fight -- felt for Iraq was hailed as patriotism distilled to its purest. There was much wistful yearning for India to be filled with such patriotism. Again.
But juxtapose that patriotism with the scenes as Saddam's regime finally crumbled. Euphoric Iraqis poured into the streets to kick at his fallen statue, to celebrate in myriad other ways. You need not support George Bush in what George McGovern called a senseless and immoral campaign in Iraq -- and I was repulsed by it -- to recognise that euphoria for what it was: the joyful relief of release from the grip of another murderous tyrant.
So let's ask again: who are the Iraqi patriots? The men who fought to defend a regime like Saddam's? Or the ecstatic hordes who dragged his bullet-ridden bust through Baghdad's streets? The non-resident Iraqis who rode into battle for God and Saddam and country? Or the grateful Iraqis who welcomed victorious foreign troops with hugs and kisses?
Or let's ask variations on those questions: is it patriotic to support a tyrant and killer solely because your country is under attack and he rules it? Is it traitorous to long for your country to be rid of that killer by whatever means: yes, including Bush's 'senseless and immoral' invasion across your borders?
Back in India, many were appalled by Bush for this reason more than most: what if he decided on a similar venture into India? But if he did, how should a patriotic Indian react?
Stand and fight, of course! Naturally.
But let's make the questions a little harder to answer. Leave aside the hypocrisy Bush and his cronies have flaunted. Let's build a hypothesis instead: that, like Iraq, India is ruled by a despotic regime.
Suppose it has ignored -- and by ignoring, aggravated -- the suffering of millions of miserably poor Indians, many of whom go to sleep hungry and sick every single night. It has stoked hatreds among Indians, hatreds that have led to regular massacres all over the country. Too often, state machinery has participated in these great crimes. It has paid no attention to the need to punish the perpetrators of such massacres. Too often, it has rewarded them with power and protection, status and wealth. It has snuffed out any public faith in the rule of law -- not just by perverting the courts and police, but by installing criminals as the makers and keepers of the law. And, in this thought experiment, the greatest criminal of all heads the regime.
Remember: just a hypothesis.
But now, still in this hypothesis, how must a patriotic Indian react? Does she defend this ghastly junta to the world, because after all and always, it's 'my country, right or wrong'? Does he take up arms to fight its wars, to defend it to the death against foreign aggression, because of his love for India? (Does this love mean you must die for criminals?)
Then what do we say about those who might plot against the obscenity that blights their land, as Stauffenberg did, who fight to free India of it? Are they patriots? If so, what if they welcomed a force from abroad that toppled this hypothetical regime, as many Iraqis did? Are they still patriots?
In his superb history of the Second World War, John Keegan writes that Stauffenberg recognised the mortal danger of defeat into which the Führer had led the fatherland and anticipated the disgrace and punishment that the iniquity of Nazism would bring to his countrymen in its wake. Stauffenberg's motives, in short, were patriotic.
Churchill called Hitler a patriot. Keegan calls Stauffenberg a patriot. You can make your own call. But think of this: If Stauffenberg had succeeded that July day, he would have saved Germany from the ruin Hitler left in 1945. From the crumbling wasteland of 'my country, right or wrong'.
That's why he was a German patriot. That's why he died.
You can send your comments directly to me at [email protected]
Dilip D'Souza
and proceeded to compare promises with delivered items.I need a certificate from you
Don't you think this oiseule was calling for foreign invasion/ terrorism to overthrow India's government? Rediff deleted that debate and left only PR comments there.[/quote]UlanBatori wrote:Ppl, read what this (never mind, I am so civilized now) wrote back in 2003:
Edited for brevity...
You can send your comments directly to me at [email protected]
Dilip D'Souza
Nothing beats listening amid audience at SAP center.Raja Bose wrote:Can someone post a proper YouTube video of the SAP Center event? The one Amber G posted seems to have no sound!
And to just differentiate, after accomplishing his goals he should resign after 5 years, and dissolve BJP. People then surely will respect him for that, and vote for him and BJP again...wait a minute there is no BJP...never mind.KJo wrote:I think Modi has been making promises, but to differentiate, he should put a time based deadline and rate himself.
PPS: I think we have crossed the hump. Desh doesn't need the endorsement of all and sundry just ignore a few barking dogs. The guys who matter, like that youngster who changed his dress from a hoody to a suit and tie for the occasion, understand the change. I'm surprised that you don't.Prahalad • an hour ago
This is an amazingly mediocre piece of writing. Forget the content, as an Indian I feel insulted by the quality of this writing. I know Indian teenagers who write much better than this juvenile, rambling, incoherent cr*p. I can't believe that mercury news published it. I guess the editor decided to publish it simply because it was written by an Indian and expressed what seemed like a contrarian view? The folks at Mercury News should do some research. Trust me, you will find much better minds/writers that this mediocrity.
Here is another article by Ashwin Murthy where he says that he came to the US to pursue grad studies and immediately became a "patriotic american". Really?!! So he was never a "patriotic Indian"? Someone please give him a green card. He is desperate and will do anything for a green card.
https://app.fwd.us/stories/352
Of all the nonsense he wrote in this article, this takes the prize:
"These U.S. tech companies must now insist upon top-down changes from Modi's government to ensure that such a revolution is never necessary in India."
What the bleep is he talking about?!!! Does this guy have any idea what he is talking about?
(A little bit off topic.)UlanBatori wrote:
And proceeded to compare promises with delivered items.
1. Zero-Opening-Balance Bank accounts: now over 180 million (I mean, think of that mind-boggling number - in 16 months!) And they have already got INR 35,000 crores in them.
2. Catastrophic insurance
3. Aadhar card link
4. Savings in gas cylinder subsidies.
And he didn't even mention the 415,000 toilets in public schools.
This is all inside 16 months. What more measurements can one expect? This is grass-roots revolution, history in the making.
I would not be impressed at all by claims that he got a $40B sweat-shop to locate to India. Anyone can do that, selling the nation cheap to slave-drivers. What he has done, no one else could have pulled off, nor did for the past 60 years.
not only the first click. the comments also add up to traffic.amit wrote:^^^^^
CRamS,
I think it's about time you didn't fall into a click bait trap like this one. Media outlets all over the world use such contrarian crap to get folks to click on their website so that they can show better traffic numbers to advertisers.
All that's needed is a contrarian POV. Just chill man, just after reading your post I clicked on the link and so will many others who visit this dhaga and that will add up for Mercury News and the editors will have a smile on their face.
probably starts neutral, will definitely list out opponents views and give that credibility using the false equivalency technique, and the usual disclaimer of guj riotsModi touts social media, tech development in Facebook visit
CNBC-1 hour ago
do i even need to say anything?What has India achieved from Modi's foreign trips? asks Kejriwal
The Indian Express-1 hour ago
coming from the beeb, this would DEFINITELY be a useless farticle of inane stuff....Why Narendra Modi hugs the headlines
BBC News-2 hours ago
this one too. will be some useless yak yak about modi pulling away zuckerberg from camera blocking.Why Everyone's Talking About This Video of PM Modi and Mark ...
NDTV-2 hours ago
this is another breed of people. these people have nothing else to do. are afraid of totally falling off the news. so they will bandwagon on modi train, while trying to throw poop on him. little do they realise that it all falls back on them due to the speed of modi train.Facebook started in '04, Twitter in '06: Omar on Modi's joining social ...
The Indian Express-3 hours ago
This would be the stuff that would make some here pop a vein.Wash hands Zuck after meeting Modi, activists to Facebook CEO
India Today-3 hours ago
Yes, except, perhaps being invited to and listening to his address at the Digital India and Digital Technology Dinner in San Jose, CaliforniaShyamSP wrote: Nothing beats listening amid audience at SAP center...
Amber G. wrote:Yes, except, perhaps being invited to and listening to his address at the Digital India and Digital Technology Dinner in San Jose, CaliforniaShyamSP wrote: Nothing beats listening amid audience at SAP center...
At SAP center, he saw audience as his and directly spoke to him. Speech content and language was irrelevant but connecting to people and getting heartful admiration was amazing. US Congressmen and Mayors there can only wish they can captivate people like that except may be Tulasi Gubbard who had roaring shout-out when she was invited to stage.Amber G. wrote:Yes, except, perhaps being invited to and listening to his address at the Digital India and Digital Technology Dinner in San Jose, CaliforniaShyamSP wrote: Nothing beats listening amid audience at SAP center...
You missed this one with Bawarchi: Modi Invites Apple to Setup Manufacturing in IndiaRaja Bose wrote:Looks like both Chacha and Microsoft are on-board the Modi Express.
Google is putting WiFi in 400 Indian train stations
Microsoft will deliver low-cost broadband to 500,000 rural Indian villages
Remarks by President Obama and Prime Minister Modi of India After Bilateral Meeting
United Nations Headquarters
New York, New York
12:19 P.M. EDT
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, it is a great pleasure to meet once again with my good friend, Prime Minister Modi. Our meeting builds on the progress that was made during the wonderful visit that I was able to make to India, to the Prime Minister’s invitation, and the historic participation that I had with Republic Day. We’ve elevated our ties. We’ve committed ourselves to a new partnership between our two countries. And there’s been excellent follow-through on a whole range of issues.
Much of our discussion today focused on the upcoming climate conference in Paris. We agreed that this is a critical issue for the world; that all of us have responsibilities. We are encouraged by the aggressive nature of *President Prime Minister Modi’s commitment to clean energy. And what I indicated to the Prime Minister is that I really think that India’s leadership in this upcoming conference will set the tone not just for today but for decades to come. And I have great confidence in our ability to partner with other large countries, like China, and the European Union’s efforts in order for us to really solve this problem in a significant way that will help not just our people, but I think can actually be an engine of growth over the long term.
We also had a chance to talk about trade and investment, where our governments and business leaders met again last week to forge new partnerships to create jobs and opportunities for Indians and Americans. Prime Minister Modi has called on the Indian diaspora in the United States, which is very large and very successful, to contribute their talents to India’s progress. And that’s something that we welcome.
And we discussed how we can further refine our strategic vision -- our common joint vision moving forward for security and partnerships. And that encompasses everything from scientific exchanges and educational exchanges, to security cooperation and defense procurement. On all these issues, the Prime Minister has been an outstanding partner, and it reflects the fact that as the two largest democracies in the world -- or two of the largest democracies in the world, we have an opportunity to help to define a common set of principles that are consistent with what the United Nations believes and are consistent with what both India’s and the United States’ founders believed -- that governments are there to serve their people and to provide uplift and prosperity to everyone. And in my interactions with Prime Minister Modi, I have to say that those ideals are ones that he not only gives lip service to but he also acts on. And so we very much appreciate his friendship and his partnership.
PRIME MINISTER MODI: President Obama, members of the media, it is a great pleasure to meet President Obama in New York. Thank you for your hosting this meeting. I deeply value our friendship and your vision and commitment for the relationship between our two countries.
We have achieved significant progress in our bilateral cooperation and international partnership. I was in Silicon Valley over the weekend; I experienced the strength of American innovation and enterprise that provide the foundation of American success. I also the driving force of our relationship -- youth, technology and innovation -- and the natural partnership of Indian and Americans in advancing human progress.
California also reminds us that India and the United States are part of the dynamic Asia Pacific region. Many of the problems that world faces today and the global challenges that we see ahead, our partnership is a great significance for us and our world. We can apply innovation and technology by achieving sustainable development goals, including combatting climate change and conserving nature.
The President and I share an uncompromising commitment on climate change without affecting our ability to meet the development aspirations of humanity. We have both set ambitious national agendas. In India, our agenda includes not just a plan to have 175 gigawatt of renewable energy by 2022, but a development strategy that will enable us to transition to a more sustainable energy mix. This is an exercise we are undertaking in the spirit of our culture and tradition, but also because of our commitment to the future of this planet. Our extraordinary bilateral partnership in the energy sector focus on clean and renewable energy and energy efficiency.
I also thank President Obama for his positive response to my call for a global public partnership for developing affordable clean-energy source. And that will enable faster eruption of clean energy across the world. We should work together to advance the goal. And it is equally important to develop mechanisms to ensure that the affordable also become accessible to those who need it the most.
We look forward to comprehensive and concrete outcome in Paris with a positive agenda on combatting climate change which also focuses on access to finance and technology for the developing world, especially the poor countries and small island states.
I thank President Obama for the U.S. support for India’s permanent membership of a reformed U.N. Security Council. I also sought the U.S. support to complete the reform process within a fixed timeframe. I expressed our appreciation for continued U.S. support for India’s membership of the International Export Control Regimes within our targeted timeframe.
Our partnership addresses a broad range of strategic and security concerns. Our defense cooperation, including defense training, is expanding. As extremist terrorism threats grow and new ones emerge, we have resolved to further deepen cooperation on counterterrorism and radicalism.
We have just had a successful cybersecurity dialogue. We have agreed to further strengthen our consultation and cooperation on helping the Afghan people combat terrorism and build a peaceful, stable and prosperous future of their nation.
I welcome the progress in giving shape to our joint strategic vision on our Asia Pacific and Indian Ocean region, and also our joint engagement with regional partners like Japan. This will also strengthen our maritime security cooperation. To further increase our strategic engagement in the region, I look forward to work with the U.S. for India’s membership of Asian Pacific Economic Community.
Our economic partnership is a key driver of our relationship. I had an excellent meeting with business leaders in New York and San Jose. I’m very pleased with the confidence in India, and value their constructive feedback and suggestions. We will also continue to work towards a stronger bilateral framework of economic cooperation, including the Bilateral Investment Treaty and Globalization Agreement.
This meeting and my engagement in the U.S. demonstrate the extraordinary depth and diversity of our relationship. Our meeting today was very productive in advancing some of our immediate priorities and also our broader strategic partnership.
Thank you.
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Thank you.
END
12:29 P.M. EDT
WrtAmber G. wrote:Okay ... I posted a few days ago...Form Google Campus.. Breaking news ..Amber G. wrote:
Also.. may not get into news anytime soon but...
I am waiting for India/US to work on things like Google Glasses (which can measure blood glucose level and help millions effected by diabetes.. (Edited _ I meant google devices )
Mr. Modi gets a view of Project Iris — smart lens that measure glucose levels.![]()
Yep, Tesla is interested.. (Some of the IIT'ans were actually talking with Namo in Digital India Dinner about this)
Or Theranos/Elizabeth Homes to announce opening its blood testing centers in India..
Or.. Tesla/IITK joint development of good batteries..(to store solar power)..
Khan Academy providing its expertise so I can coach math to wider audience in Rajasthan..
All by 2019 or before..!
And Google is to announce that it will be easier to use an Indian language when I coach wider audience..in Rajasthan using google hangout!
Let us hope to hear from Elizabeth Homes about those Therano's type centers..
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Meanwhile Khagaul (where Aryabhatta had an observatoryl) be .. pinpointed on Google Earth...
Here is a tweet:Khan Academy providing its expertise so I can coach math to wider audience in Rajasthan..
Narendra Modi @narendramodi Sep 28
Discussed aspects relating to education & knowledge during the meeting with Mr. Salman Khan, founder of Khan Academy![]()