Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05, 2015

[Viv S]

Ah, I see so you are now a telepath and can even justify why Paracha likes the PA Chief. Like "most of his compatriots".
Most of his compatriots like the PA Chief even for his rousing defence of the terror sponsoring PA army as well and the PA's antics viz India. Oh noes, that's different.

I didn't give a justification. You demanded one. I offered a guess.

Given you are such a staunch defender of the likes of Paracha, he clearly is your herrow. Who's next? PA Chief? For the sharp fall in violence recently? "Sharp fall in violence" - yup, we are seeing mucho sharp falls. Indian Army soldiers and BSF soldiers continue to be killed.

Rhetoric. Nothing to do with what I posted.

The more foolish and idiotic are those who defend scumbags like Paracha. And yes the true morons are those who claim Marxists in general are (whatta a weaselly describer) not racist. When Marx himself said:https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/w ... /index.htm

Not racist, merely imperialist, merely sorta-coulda-woulda-mighta racist.

Most "Marx"-ists in general are not racist, even though Marx was racist.
Most followers of the Great Wizard of the KKK are not racist.
Most anti-semites don't dislike jews..

Marxism isn't a religion. It isn't bound by the 'teachings' of Marx. He's hardly considered a prophet to his people.

“All I know is that I am not a Marxist.” - Karl Marx

Racism, colonialism, imperialism et al. are ideologies that Marxists, or modern Marxists if you prefer, stand opposed to as a whole (less so orientalism). Making a clash with fascism inevitable.

Oh given your staunch defence of the poor misunderstood Paracha and poor Marx, need you say anything more. ISPR may have an opening about defenders of liberal Pakistan. Might be worth a try.

Except that I haven't said any of that. Most of it remains rhetoric on your part.

For the record, I'd 'defend' say.. Arundhati Roy much the same way. Decent writing skills, stupid short-sighted politics and activism. But racist? Not likely.

[A_Gupta]

https://sites.google.com/site/hiraharoon2/
On Nadeem Paracha:

Though known to be an active anti-Zia activist during college and an opinionated leftist journalist in the nineties, he shocked many of his fans by openly supporting and praising General Pervez Musharraf's "anti-terrorism" policies in 2004.

In 2006 while appearing as a special guest on the popular radio show, the Fasi Zaka Show, on Pakistan's FM91, he also praised the Army's controversial role against supposed Al-Queda insurgents operating in the mountains of the country's rugged northern areas.

· In May 2007, while writing his column in The Friday Times, Paracha defended the controversial nationalist party the MQM and wrote that Punjabi politicians who are calling MQM fascist “have no idea about the social and political dynamics of Karachi and the MQM.” The irony is that though many of his readers attacked Paracha for defending MQM's strong arm tactics in the 2007 Karachi riots, Paracha is a Punjabi himself from his father's side.

· In an interview given to Montreal’s CBC Radio, Paracha blamed the Pakistani electronic media for being irresponsible in reporting acts of terrorism and political events and blamed it for bringing upon the 2007 State of Emergency imposed by Pervez Musharraf on 3rd November, 2007. This left many of his critics in the media accusing Paracha’s politics of gradually moving towards authoritarian politics, even though he remains to be a firm advocate of secularism in Pakistan and continues to support the Pakistan Peoples party as a journalist and former member.

· In an interview with Voice of America (VOA), he lambasted an Islamic Scholar who had earlier been interviewed by the same radio channel and claimed that music was not allowed in Islam because it promoted obscenity. Paracha responded by saying that at the moment there is nothing more obscene than a suicide bomber exploding himself in public. He said Islamic scholars should be more interested in condemning such kind of obscenity rather than waste time by attacking an art like music.

[A_Gupta]

His tweet wouldn't have been surprising had it would have come from an Indian leftists, implying that Wifi are railway stations is a luxury investment intended for the bourgeois, instead of investing it poverty alleviation. Stupid/short-sighted idea but hardly racist.

Kind of goes to demonstrate the validity of Tarek Fatah's tweet:

Being Pakistani is a state of mind. That is y there r so many Pakistanis in India and so few in #Balochistan & Sind

Let us not forget the CPI's support for the All India Muslim League & Pakistan in the crucial 1946 elections.

PS: to me the Two Nation Theory, is racist, in modern lingo, in an era when "Islamophobia" is termed racist.

[member_22733]

NFP is also a Jinnah apologist:
http://scroll.in/article/744458/the-iro ... ah-admired

And of course can a Baki be a Baki if not for :
http://www.dawn.com/news/428554/smokers ... rrect-turn

Supporting the stone throwers.

NFP has a constituency in the power structures of Bakistan that agrees with him. The evidence of that fact is simple: He is alive and living in Bakistan.

One has to keep in mind that there is NO constituency in Bakistan that will change its views on India. It is therefore logical to assume that NFP shares the same ideological leanings. IOW, he is no friend of India or Hindus.

If his ideas do fall sour of every constituency in the power structure of Bakistan, he will become Tarek Fatah part 2. He would have to run as far away from Pakhanastan as he possibly can.

[Karan M]

I didn't give a justification. You demanded one. I offered a guess.

Ah yes, a guess which portrays him in the best possible innocent baccha onlee light.

Given you are such a staunch defender of the likes of Paracha, he clearly is your herrow. Who's next? PA Chief? For the sharp fall in violence recently? "Sharp fall in violence" - yup, we are seeing mucho sharp falls. Indian Army soldiers and BSF soldiers continue to be killed.

Rhetoric. Nothing to do with what I posted.

Yes, pointing out the hypocrisy of the likes of Paracha who support an individual, ostensibly because he created a sharp fall in local violence while he actively promotes violence in a neighbouring state is "rhetoric". It explains the hypocrisy of the Paracha's and their supporters well. Of course Sharif has nothing to do with ISI as well and local violence, eh?
What about Palestinian terrorism?

Like I said, ISPR awaits you. You are their best spokesperson.

The more foolish and idiotic are those who defend scumbags like Paracha. And yes the true morons are those who claim Marxists in general are (whatta a weaselly describer) not racist. When Marx himself said:https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/w ... /index.htm

Not racist, merely imperialist, merely sorta-coulda-woulda-mighta racist.

Most "Marx"-ists in general are not racist, even though Marx was racist.
Most followers of the Great Wizard of the KKK are not racist.
Most anti-semites don't dislike jews..

Marxism isn't a religion. It isn't bound by the 'teachings' of Marx. He's hardly considered a prophet to his people.

Oh yes, that's why they call themselves Marxists.
BTW who appointed you to speak for all Marxists?
The founder is an out and out racist but his followers who bear his name aren't bound by anything. All misunderstood onlee..
Keep spinning...

“All I know is that I am not a Marxist.” - Karl Marx

He didn't need to be. He merely founded it. But his founders most certainly are, they bear his name with pride. If they run counter to that moron's claims, why not drop the name.

Racism, colonialism, imperialism et al. are ideologies that Marxists, or modern Marxists if you prefer, stand opposed to as a whole (less so orientalism). Making a clash with fascism inevitable.

Which is why Marxists today continue to use the most execrable and colonialist descriptors for Indian and its faiths and cultures. Go on, defend that as well.
"Clash with fascism". Yes, CPI-ML is very anti fascist, chopping off peoples eyes, noses, ears for voting. No wait, they are not true Marxists.

Seriously, is there no end to your foolish spin?

Oh given your staunch defence of the poor misunderstood Paracha and poor Marx, need you say anything more. ISPR may have an opening about defenders of liberal Pakistan. Might be worth a try.

Except that I haven't said any of that. Most of it remains rhetoric.

No, you merely imply it. By defending the likes of Paracha, and attempting to disassociate Marx from Marxists - because its inconvenient to your claims.

You are defending a hypocrite who counts a mass murdering despot as his hero. You are attempting to defend the actions of those who count a racist as their leader and proudly bear his name. What else are you but an apologist for execrable individuals?

[Karan M]

NFP is also a Jinnah apologist:
http://scroll.in/article/744458/the-iro ... ah-admired

And of course can a Baki be a Baki if not for :
http://www.dawn.com/news/428554/smokers ... rrect-turn

Supporting the stone throwers.

NFP has a constituency in the power structures of Bakistan that agrees with him. The evidence of that fact is simple: He is alive and living in Bakistan.

One has to keep in mind that there is NO constituency in Bakistan that will change its views on India. It is therefore logical to assume that NFP shares the same ideological leanings. IOW, he is no friend of India or Hindus.

If his ideas do fall sour of every constituency in the power structure of Bakistan, he will become Tarek Fatah part 2. He would have to run as far away from Pakhanastan as he possibly can.

Oh goodness. How did you find all that? About the oh-so-noble NFP?? How did Google cooperate? It didn't cooperate for an NFP admirer. Truly djinn!

[Karan M]

BTW here is one more by the great herrow Nadeem Paracha

A steady, measured speech by the PM at the UN. Making good, solid sense.

Good solid sense here. So its not just Raheel Sharif who warms the cockles of Paracha's heart.

http://indianexpress.com/article/world/ ... e-formula/

From the floor of the United Nations General Assembly on Wednesday, Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif accused India of fomenting instability in his country and proposed a four-point “new peace initiative” including demilitarizing Kashmir and Siachen, and formalizing the 2003 ceasefire, describing these as the “simplest” measures to implement towards peace between the two countries.

India has not yet formally responded to the ball lobbed by Sharif at India, in part an apparent attempt by the Pakistan Prime Minister to highlight the 1999-2008 “composite dialogue process” between the two countries.

With no reassurance on Indian concerns of terrorist attacks against it that have emanated from Pakistan, including the Mumbai attacks, Sharif’s speech instead sought to reverse the accusation by blaming India for instability in Pakistan.

[SBajwa]

Astute Observation LokeshC

I will state further that.

A paki muslim that is a liberal is any Oxymoron. In fact any person that has Arabian name cannot be a liberal.

It may so happen that he doesn't feel it is appropriate to express racist views, but feels altogether comfortable mocking poor children of India. The latter is not necessarily due to racism, just as the former doesn't necessarily make him a virtuous or dharmic person. It is something worse, really. He is just paracha sahib, who has family connections with military that gives him a certain immunity from being killed for indulging in his cleverness. No big principles there, good or bad.

The RAPE problem with Islam is that, while it reinforces their desire to feel superior to lesser mortals (essentially Iqbal's motivation) , it also demands submission to some very stringent rules of conduct. RAPE can't stomach the subordination of their feudal egos, but can't give up the claim to superiority that Islam confers.

The Pakis actually are into very much hierarchy i.e in this order Goras > Arabians > Persians > Indians and so forth. It comes directly from Bedouin mentality of "I against my brother, my brothers and I against my cousins, then my cousins and I against strangers".

[Viv S]

Ah yes, a guess which portrays him in the best possible innocent baccha onlee light.

That's only thing that separates the current PA chief from the last one, or the one before. You're welcome to your own guess.

Oh yes, that's why they call themselves Marxists.
BTW who appointed you to speak for all Marxists?
The founder is an out and out racist but his followers who bear his name aren't bound by anything. All misunderstood onlee..
Keep spinning...

Marxist theory was far from limited to Marx. Lenin, Trotsky, Gramsci, Lukacs, Mao, (and M N Roy) etc weren't restricted by Marx's 19th century prejudices. Nor presumably was Bhagat Singh for that matter.

He didn't need to be. He merely founded it. But his founders most certainly are, they bear his name with pride. If they run counter to that moron's claims, why not drop the name.

Which is why Marxists today continue to use the most execrable and colonialist descriptors for Indian and its faiths and cultures. Go on, defend that as well.
"Clash with fascism". Yes, CPI-ML is very anti fascist, chopping off peoples eyes, noses, ears for voting. No wait, they are not true Marxists.

The name is a place-holder. And the ideology itself is very broad. Functionally, Lenin had a larger practical impact on the evolution of communism in the 20th century. And some would argue Kant & Hegel's impact on Marxist theory rivalled that of Marx himself.

As to the second part, while they may participate in parliamentary democracy today, non-violence has never been an original principle of Marxist belief ('class struggle' -> revolution). Back in the 50s, they planned to overthrow the Indian state (backed by the Soviets in the initial stages). And nowadays at the grassroots political level (as opposed to the intelligentsia), ideology is mostly meaningless among the leftist.

No, you merely imply it. By defending the likes of Paracha, and attempting to disassociate Marx from Marxists - because its inconvenient to your claims.

You are defending a hypocrite who counts a mass murdering despot as his hero. You are attempting to defend the actions of those who count a racist as their leader and proudly bear his name. What else are you but an apologist for execrable individuals?

Like I said, there are plenty of real grounds for attacking Paracha without including the one that doesn't actually apply.

[member_23370]

Ok enough with friendly fire. Paracha is a useful idiot to hit the pakis once in a while but he is a paki after all.
Pakis are claiming Dosas have been handed over to Ban ki moon.
http://www.dawn.com/news/1210439/dossie ... chief-aziz

[member_23370]

http://tribune.com.pk/story/966165/pcb- ... o-manohar/

This man is a real politician. No shame at all.

[abhijitm]

hmm. When pokroaches not bumping off each other enough, and cant break through the Indian security (touch wood) there is nothing much to talk about them!

[RajeshA]

There is a common misconception that what is essentially a utility is somehow a luxury. It's like saying "why are they building railway stations and trains when people are starving" or "why are they building dams and electricity poles while people are starving". Cellphones and internet have become a utility like trains and electricity. Who will argue that cell phone is a luxury? My parents get a whatsapp message when their clothes are ready for pickup from the tailor. Their electrician wants them to send a picture of their busted voltage stabilizer to give them a price quote.

This kind of thinking comes from two sources (if you think about it charitably). The elite use the internet for chi-chi intellectual chatting while the rest of the working class is earning money through it by driving ola cabs or contacting their customers though whatsapp. Now the rich elite are bothered that the poors have invaded "their" territory. It's somewhat like a rag picker showed up in a posh golf club and you are suddenly inconvenienced that you have to acknowledge there are poor people in the world.

Second thing is that it's hard for pakis to come out of the equal==equal mentality. Bulk of the pakis are illiterate and hopping around with polio so the SDREs must be doing the same. Both India and Pakistan gave polio but India has better PR and Pakistan has an image problem. This is what all of them across the board believe.

It is the colonial-feudal mindset of British, Pakistani RAPE and Indian DIE to try to restrict thinking about poor people solely to issues of survival and basic amenities, and to paint all measures at upliftment of the poor above this minimum as an unnecessary luxus. In their view, the poor have no right to be aspirational and ambitious, of wishing to grasp more opportunities or rise to their levels of wealth. What the left-liberal elite do well is to package their racism as concern for the poor.

[Amber G.]

In response to Sushma Swaraj's brilliant speech UN -- Pakis use their right of reply... 100000000000 killed in Cashmere.. core issue.. samjota express.. Gujarat 2002..6000 mass graves .. all are there...if there was any doubt Pakis proved that they are still Pakis...

Let us see how Pak (or ddm's too?) media reports it..

Anyone who really wants to spend some time listening to it can see it at
http://webtv.un.org/search/pakistan-fir ... m=pakistan

But it is not much different from any other reply , year after year... say last year;s
http://webtv.un.org/watch/pakistan-seco ... 0170079001

[Prem]

Share the Photo and Motto of Madam Mere, Sherry's lair in Power Play.
Hi Dossiere, Hi Afghanistan , Crying Pakistan.

[Brad Goodman]

Massive Khujli to track 2 freeloaders from Sushma Swaraj's reply yesterday
Sharif has given up hope on better ties during the Modi era

There is something in common, but much in contrast, between the speech Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif made in 2013 at the annual United Nations General Assembly session and his statement at the same venue in New York on September 30.

Indeed, both speeches contained references to relations with India and the 'core issue' of Kashmir. But then, they need to be juxtaposed for two other reasons.

Firstly, Sharif made the 2013 speech during the United Progressive Alliance rule in India, while this time around Prime Minister Narendra Modi is running the government.

Two years ago, Sharif spoke positively about his expectations of carrying forward the India-Pakistan dialogue with Manmohan Singh, while Wednesday's speech was strikingly gloomy -- even alarmist, signaling gathering storms on the horizon.

However, the speech is a mirror image of the sharp deterioration of the India-Pakistan ties under Modi's watch. Modi has squandered away the UPA's splendid legacy of bringing about some degree of stability and predictability to India's relations with Pakistan.

What stability and predictability is he talking about? Mumbai 2008?

However, Sharif's statement condemning India's 'brutal oppression' of Kashmiris was couched in an unfriendly, harsh, tone. Sharif lamented 'the most persistent failure' of the UN to resolve the Kashmir issue.

He projected Pakistan as a responsible regional power, outlining a new peace initiative with four specific steps to lower the tensions in relations with India.

Sharif took a swipe at India by portraying Pakistan as a victim of terrorism, and he lamented that the global campaign against terrorism is being exploited 'to suppress the legitimate right of occupied peoples to self-determination.'

Sharif just stopped short of hinting that Pakistan harbours reservations about India's eligibility to be a permanent member of the Security Council.

India, of course, promptly exercised its 'right of reply' and plunged into rhetoric, portraying Pakistan as a State sponsoring terrorism and attributing the tensions entirely to Islamabad's support of cross-broader terrorism.

Cant believe it is written by M K Bhadrakumar. It could easily have been written by Peerzada or some other paki

Suffice it to say, these are extremely worrying prospects. Indian diplomacy is once again being saddled with the heavy burden of a Pakistan-centric foreign policy. It is something grossly unfair at a crucial juncture in India's trajectory as an emerging power on the global stage.

What is unfolding is far from what the ruling party had promised -- and Modi himself had pledged when he came to power 18 months ago.

At any rate, it is foolhardy to complicate matters further. Sharif's speech was not drafted in Beijing. What was the need to take a hit at the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor in our 'right of reply'?

Its is our misfortune that you were in IFS but every kid who has studied high school geography know that Gilgit belongs to India and China and Pakistan share no common border apart from the illegal occupation by both countries of Indian state of J&K

[Brad Goodman]

some interesting comments already on rediff to above article

Idiots like Bhadrakumar
by Amit (View MyPage) on Oct 03, 2015 12:23 AM

If idiots like M K Bhadrakumar were representing India for so long, no wonder India's forieign policy were on Pakistan were in shambles. According to this idiot if we toe the Pakistani line all problems will be solved. Funny indeed!!

Sharif -Modi times-Bhadrakumar's article
by dilip sudame (View MyPage) on Oct 02, 2015 11:50 PM | Hide replies

Horrible unjustified for a former ambassador of India to Pakistan singing the Pakistani tune Pakistan needs no war when such persons lose their thinking ability and write . Worst is why Rediff has picked him up knowing fully well that no Indian abreast with the Pak actions will ever like such a abnoxious article. Some people just donot grow this article confirms that. Poor show Mr Ambassador.

[Karan M]

That's only thing that separates the current PA chief from the last one, or the one before. You're welcome to your own guess.

And that makes your herrow NFP's admiration of it A-ok? And do you have authoritative stats that violence has gone down with the new PA chief as versus Pakistani propaganda which you seem all too willing to parrot? Fewer Balochis and Pathans tortured in ISI cells for instance? Or is it one more thing NFP is willing to ignore?

Oh yes, that's why they call themselves Marxists.
BTW who appointed you to speak for all Marxists?
The founder is an out and out racist but his followers who bear his name aren't bound by anything. All misunderstood onlee..
Keep spinning...

Marxist theory was far from limited to Marx. Lenin, Trotsky, Gramsci, Lukacs, Mao, (and M N Roy) etc weren't restricted by Marx's 19th century prejudices. Nor presumably was Bhagat Singh for that matter.

Oh so its not all about Marx. Its about Lenin, Mao and wot not.

I see, so Lenin and Mao are your new examples of better than Marx?
Here is Mao:http://www.rense.com/general65/mao.htm
Great leap forward killing millions and grade A despot.

Need one even bring up Lenin's bloody history?

So Marxist theory is all about bringing in murderous folks who revel in torturing people other than them and/or cooking up racist gobbledegook.

Go on defend it more.

Hey Marxists dont follow Marx. He was a placeholder... err...so we have his name for the past 150 years... we just didn't find anyone better... because Lenin was a mass murderer, Mao was a despot... err... you can see why we have a racist lunatic who has caused untold misery to humans worldwide as our placeholder...but hey just hate specific groups and cultural faiths. Murder 'em too.

He didn't need to be. He merely founded it. But his founders most certainly are, they bear his name with pride. If they run counter to that moron's claims, why not drop the name.

Which is why Marxists today continue to use the most execrable and colonialist descriptors for Indian and its faiths and cultures. Go on, defend that as well.
"Clash with fascism". Yes, CPI-ML is very anti fascist, chopping off peoples eyes, noses, ears for voting. No wait, they are not true Marxists.

The name is a place-holder. And the ideology itself is very broad. Functionally, Lenin had a larger practical impact on the evolution of communism in the 20th century. And some would argue Kant & Hegel's impact on Marxist theory rivalled that of Marx himself.

The name is a placeholder? ROTFL, the silliness of that statement speaks for itself.

What does it speak of Marxism that they have a racist jerk of the nth order as their placeholder. Couldn't find anyone better?
Oh wait, the other guys are mass murderers AND racist. Oh no. Wordplay. Just wanna kill other groups based on imagined attributes.

Wiping out all the "inferiors" suitably classified as the bourgeois and other groups. Oh that's not racism. Merely class sanctioned murder.
Hey guys we are killing you under_placeholder_names. Nothing personal. We are really noooice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_kill ... st_regimes
Lenin had a larger practical impact? Oh good. What's a few hundred thousand clergymen.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/199 ... -clergymen

Nice good old Lenin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror

Any more apologia you are going to trot out?
So far we've already covered your attempts to cover for NFP, the Pakistani Army Chief, Marx and now Lenin and co. Keep digging.

As to the second part, while they may participate in parliamentary democracy today, non-violence has never been an original principle of Marxist belief ('class struggle' -> revolution). Back in the 50s, they planned to overthrow the Indian state (backed by the Soviets in the initial stages). And nowadays at the grassroots political level (as opposed to the intelligentsia), ideology is mostly meaningless among the leftist.

Oh so the CPI-ML variants who are fighting the Indian state have no ideology. You know this how? Been a part of them?
More useless proclamations from one who is clearly neither interested in facts but bandies high falutin stuff about thinking others can't see through the wordplay.

No, you merely imply it. By defending the likes of Paracha, and attempting to disassociate Marx from Marxists - because its inconvenient to your claims.
You are defending a hypocrite who counts a mass murdering despot as his hero. You are attempting to defend the actions of those who count a racist as their leader and proudly bear his name. What else are you but an apologist for execrable individuals?

Like I said, there are plenty of real grounds for attacking Paracha without including the one that doesn't actually apply.

Oh LOL, so now you admit Paracha can be attacked. How gracious. Looks like your herrow had feet of clay.

Guess what, we are going to call him out for the fact that he is a Marxist and follows a murderous ideology which has killed millions. Deal with it as versus being an apologist for mass murderers and pretending to be holier than thou. Real grounds enough as versus your foolish attempts to spin the reality away.

So your herrow NFP IS racist and a self avowed follower of a murderous group whose founder was OPENLY RACIST against Hindus and Indians AND is an admirer of a genocidal and racist organization, the Pakistani Army.

And here you are, defending all of them. Speaks volumes.

[Falijee]

Altaf Hussein's Affidavit Declared Not Legal By Lahore High Court
Altaf submits affidavit in LHC regarding ban on his speeches

LAHORE - Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM) chief Altaf Hussain in an affidavit submitted before a Lahore High Court (LHC) full bench on Friday said that his statement was distorted.

The affidavit was submitted before bench comprising Justice Syed Mazahar Ali Akbar Naqvi, Justice Mazhar Iqbal Sidhu and Justice Erum Sajad Gull who was hearing three identical petitions filed by Malik Maqsood Ahmad Awan, Aftab Ahmad virk and Abdullah Malik for proceedings against Altaf Hussain under Article 6 of the Constitution due to his anti-Pakistan and anti-armed forces speeches. During the hearing, Altaf’s counsel Asma Jehangir submitted an affidavit of his client. In three-pages affidavit, Altaf said that his words were misconstrued.

Altaf said that he explained his statement in three TV programmes later and if the law officers had presented the subsequent interviews, the court might have withheld its order regarding ban on his speeches. “However, I regret if anyone’s sentiments are hurt,” and added that MQM was not unpatriotic. At this stage, a federal law officer also submitted an afresh report regarding nationality of Altaf, in response to a previous court order.

Petitioners’ counsels submitted that Altaf affidavit was not attested by the Pakistani High Commission and it did not have legal worth. In Pakisatan, once a person is charged, it is very difficult to prove your innocence, opposite of innocent unless found guilty At this, the bench adjourning the hearing till October 9 and asked parties to advance arguments on Altaf’s affidavit on next hearing.

[Karan M]

Cant believe it is written by M K Bhadrakumar. It could easily have been written by Peerzada or some other paki

MK Bhadrakumar is a Marxist. CPM member and contested against Tharoor too IIRC.
What did you expect of these folks? Contributor to the famed (cough, cough) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeftWord_Books
Son of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._K._Kumaran

Its is our misfortune that you were in IFS but every kid who has studied high school geography know that Gilgit belongs to India and China and Pakistan share no common border apart from the illegal occupation by both countries of Indian state of J&K

You can imagine how many of these chaps were doing what in Indian service.

[Vipul]

MK B**tardkumar has called the facts given by India of Pakistan involved in terrorist activities as "Rhetoric". Only India can have a citizen like him writing such anti-national crap and be still living to see it in print.

[member_22733]

Bhadrakumar is a liberal frenemy of India, and Mr. Modi has the knife/weapon. We are in a standoff.

If Bhadrakumar had the knife (i.e. UPA was in power), they would hide it and would be getting high smoking peace pipes and lighting candles when the Bakis butchered Indians using terror.

[Anujan]

Basically during MMS rule Nawaz waited for MFN status because he thought he could get a better deal from the next dispensation. In fact even Jihadi sethi was advising this. What they failed to grasp is that MMS is probably the last Indian PM born before partition and with fond memories of places across the border and "we are all same onlee" assumption. Partition was 68 years ago. At the end of current PM's term it would have been 72 years ago. The era of "why can't we all get together so I can visit my hometown" is gone. It is purely business transaction from now on. They stop sending terrorists, we liberalize visa.

Also anyone see the change of tone from desh? We aren't shy anymore to call out the pakis by name for terrorism. Earlier we'd pussyfoot around it in international fora. There was even an article about brutality in PoK. Paki liberals are getting massive shock and khujli because of this. They don't want to be called a terrorist den. They like to pretend they "offer principled support to oppressed people" Maybe the new thinker on top is to be credited for this change in tone?

[Karan M]

Basically during MMS rule Nawaz waited for MFN status because he thought he could get a better deal from the next dispensation. In fact even Jihadi sethi was advising this. What they failed to grasp is that MMS is probably the last Indian PM born before partition and with fond memories of places across the border and "we are all same onlee" assumption. Partition was 68 years ago. At the end of current PM's term it would have been 72 years ago. The era of "why can't we all get together so I can visit my hometown" is gone.

Anujan, it was not just fond memories but also votebank politics with an eye towards local IMs thinking latter would be influenced. After all, he made this famous statement timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Musli ... 754937.cms. Plus greed. He wanted international recognition as a statesman. We all remember this. (https://twitter.com/gauravcsawant/statu ... 7079111680) on Siachen.

In short, the likes of MMS are not alone. You have the SaPa's, the NiKus, the JDUs and the others who are willing to let TSP claim it speaks for IMs.

It is purely business transaction from now on. They stop sending terrorists, we liberalize visa.

But this is not enough. Justice demands that more be done than just TSP sending terrorists. Strategy demands that depending on TSP stopping the spigot is not enough. The existence of TSP itself is a threat for India. The rights of oppressed Balochis, Sindhis, and Kashmiris also need to be considered. So, no visa liberalization till TSP is no longer TSP.

Also anyone see the change of tone from desh? We aren't shy anymore to call out the pakis by name for terrorism. Earlier we'd pussyfoot around it in international fora. There was even an article about brutality in PoK. Paki liberals are getting massive shock and khujli because of this. They don't want to be called a terrorist den. They like to pretend they "offer principled support to oppressed people" Maybe the new thinker on top is to be credited for this change in tone?

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Yes indeed and more of it is required. Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty etc etc.

[Karan M]

Bhadrakumar is a liberal frenemy of India, and Mr. Modi has the knife/weapon. We are in a standoff.

If Bhadrakumar had the knife (i.e. UPA was in power), they would hide it and would be getting high smoking peace pipes and lighting candles when the Bakis butchered Indians using terror.

When folks can justify racist cretins like Marx by trotting out even bigger cretins like Mao and Lenin as an example of something better, anything is possible. There are clearly Indians who are ok with racist, anti-Indian bigotry, mass murdering despots and are all too willing to defend Pakistanis who hold such views.

[Nandu]

After the Boston bombing, for a little time, a missing Indian student, Sunil Tripathi, was wrongly mentioned online as a possible suspect. NFP was one of the a*holes who was happily exulting on twitter about it. https://twitter.com/NadeemfParacha/stat ... 3362130944

[member_22733]

The reason Indian liberals defend Bakistanis is because they have a big thing in common with the Baki feudals: Their hatred for the common Indian.

In their belief system : A "rustic" Indian like Modi's place is selling tea or do farming for sustenance. He has no place in the "high table" where imported ideologies like Marxism, Maoism, Sikularism, Liberalism rule the roost. Rustic India never achieved anything, according to them. The Rustic Indian was conquered by the Moguls and then by the Brishits, and hence the Rustic Indian ideology is just that, a shameful bane of our past.

The Indian liberals therefore are busy scrubbing their "Rustic Indian" brown skin and hope it turns white. Bakis are in advanced stages of scrubbing, they have been bleeding themselves dry by doing so. Therefore it is natural for an Indian liberal to feel a brotherly love towards the Bakis. They are two odd men out, busy scrubbing their identities to live pristine lives as their four-fathers intended them to. Both of them live among a sea of unwashed, in an eyesore called "South Asia". What to do onleee

Modi is like a street dhaaba, the rest of the ideologies are like KFC, TacoBell, McDonalds etc. These chains are frequented by the homeless drug addicts and penniless college kids in the US, but in India they are five star onlee. We haven't seen the shit that they really are and so we think they are great. Familiarity breeds contempt, so to speak.

To a liberal frenemy, anything Modi does will be wrong. It is an automatic belief that occurs to him. The best that can happen is that the libtard gets an attack of cognitive dissonance when faced with the evidence that Modi is doing something smart. When such things happen, they will dig deep into their own Mushs, to pull up a conspiracy theory on why its so. Or invent "problems" with the new solution and spin articles that go like this : "Modi does something smart, BUT its not... here is why "


For a Baki this would be welcome news since it tells him that there is a constituency in India that has similar mindset of a Baki, since the Baki too hates people like Modi for entirely obvious reasons. A liberal Indian believing in an imported ideology is therefore no different than a Baki in terms of ideology. Both of them hate us unwashed.

[Karan M]

Oh good find Nandu. The great Marxist Hinduphobe bigot NFP.

If indeed Sunil Tripathi was involved in Boston bombings, won't be surprised if he believed Modi was a messiah.

The chamchagiri for a portly terrorism sponsor

Gen. Raheel arriving yesterday to attend Defence Day celebrations in Rawalpindi. Impressive as always

His view on IA Chief
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN4MpgVUYAE96De.jpg:large

More chamchagiri
Aziz tosses the ball back into India's court. Doval ducks, thinking it's a pigeon.

Indian TV news channels just have to be the most obnoxious expression of urban middle-class fascism in the region. Just terrible.

Giving Ejaz Haider a run for his money with verbal flatulence
So far, Gen. Raheel seems to be the only one in Pak fully aware of global and local paradigm shifts. In fact, he's part of the shift.

India Fails Its Own Constitution in Kashmir: Amnesty International http://xxxx2C8JyUB

And a lot more g3nd main jalan over yoga day...

How cracking

[shiv]

Since we are fighting here over Baki Liberals and I have an unusually idle Friday to spend, let me play out a simple war game from my observations of Bakistan for the last 4 years.

A knife, 4 Bakis and two Indians: A simplistic war game.

The Setting:
You, an yeeevil Yindu YYY agent and a liberal "frenemy" are walking on the street one fine day. The fine day turns into a bad one when you see 4 Bakis walking towards you: A rabid Sunni Mullah, An Ahmedia, A Shia RAPE, and a Liberal Baki. They seem to be wanting to kill each other, and then the bad becomes worse: Everyone sees a large knife right in the middle of the street.

Situation 1: You run for the knife and make it.
Consequences: You liberal frenemy starts calling you names like Yindoo fundamentalists, fascist, Nazi etc. And joins in with the RAPE and the Liberal Baki, there is a standoff between you and everyone else.

Situation 2: Your frenemy friend goes for the knife and gets it.
Consequences: The Bakis gang up on you and beat you to death, while your frenemy hides the knife smokes the peace pipe quoting the author of the day, Tolstoy or Gandhi while you are begging for help. The frenemy then tries to convert as he/she knows that his/her time is up as soon as they are done with you.

Situation 3: The Sunni Mullah gets the knife.
Consequences:
Path1: You are beheaded first, then your frenemy goes and after that there are 4 Sunnis for a bit. Then they split into Wahabandis and Barelvis and use the knife to kill each other anyway.
Path2: You are beheaded first, then your frenemy converts to Sunni Islam and after that there are 5 Sunnis for a bit. Then they split into Wahabandis and Barelvis and use the knife to kill each other anyway.

Situation 4: The Ahmadia or the Shia RAPE gets the knife
Consequences: You are beheaded. The liberal Bakis become Sunni and try to kill the Ahmedia/Shia and your frenemy, it plays out like Situation 3.

Situation 5: The liberal Baki gets the knife.
Consequences: The knife is promptly passed on to the Sunni Mullah with a secret, wink wink. The knife then is liberally used on your throat. The rest plays out like Situation 3.

Out of the Box solution: You find a way to distract the Bakis and keep them fighting while building an electric high power fence around them that will fry to crisp anyone who touches it.

Note: The 3.5 four fathers are ignored.

Beautiful!

[KLNMurthy]

The reason Indian liberals defend Bakistanis is because they have a big thing in common with the Baki feudals: Their hatred for the common Indian.

In their belief system : A "rustic" Indian like Modi's place is selling tea or do farming for sustenance. He has no place in the "high table" where imported ideologies like Marxism, Maoism, Sikularism, Liberalism rule the roost. Rustic India never achieved anything, according to them. The Rustic Indian was conquered by the Moguls and then by the Brishits, and hence the Rustic Indian ideology is just that, a shameful bane of our past.
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You've hit the nail on the head.

Except that the elite of India and Pakistan are the ones who, in the guise of the ruling classes, were conquered by the Turks, Moguls, and the British, and the rustics represented by Modi were never subdued ever.

Modi represents their worst nightmare, the rustics feeling emboldened to take over. It shows up the hollowness of the elites, something they have managed to get away with for centuries. No wonder the RAPE and the DIE are united in their fear and hatred of Modi.

[shiv]

The reason Indian liberals defend Bakistanis is because they have a big thing in common with the Baki feudals: Their hatred for the common Indian.

In their belief system : A "rustic" Indian like Modi's place is selling tea or do farming for sustenance. He has no place in the "high table" where imported ideologies like Marxism, Maoism, Sikularism, Liberalism rule the roost. Rustic India never achieved anything, according to them. The Rustic Indian was conquered by the Moguls and then by the Brishits, and hence the Rustic Indian ideology is just that, a shameful bane of our past.

Lokesh - there is a degree of Macaulaygiri here. I received just such an education. The rustics, while being "my people" are ignorant and backward and cannot be trusted to deal with things. The post-independence Lutyens Delhi and the Congress party bristles with this type of person - who speaks English using an accent, pronunciation and expressions that I instantly identify with and feel kinship with. Many are Doon school graduates and I went to that genre of school. That type of education imparts a degree of contempt for the average Indian - it may not be hatred but those Indians are sufficiently "different" for me to be ruling class.

Incidentally - among this class of people there are turncoats (like me). Nehru himself was something of a turncoat. I think that on the whole he genuinely felt something for "his people" despite having an education that taught him something different.

You are right when you identify the attitude as: "The Rustic Indian was conquered by the Moguls and then by the Brishits, and hence the Rustic Indian ideology is just that, a shameful bane of our past." but it is not merely a rejection of the rustic but an active identification of self with the Mughals and the Brits. That identification with "victors" has been reinforced by Britain's "greatness and magnanimity" in post independence and the fact that the Pakistanis they meet are all "ruling class". It is possible to divest oneself of that identification - and only then can one start looking at the rustic Indian with empathy rather than as someone beneath one's own status.

[Karan M]

Ever notice how most of the Indian apologists for Pakistani terror and even those who attempt to provide Pakistan a fig leaf are mostly leftists/Marxists?
Bhadrak, Bark da Dutt, Surdesai, PSwamy...the list goes on and on and on... they are perfectly ok with Hindus getting butchered but get upset when Hindus retaliate against TSP terror. Of course, this has nothing to do with the brainwashing of the left against Indian civilization starting all the way from their grand poobah Marx. All coincidence onlee.. yessir.

[shiv]

Ever notice how most of the Indian apologists for Pakistani terror and even those who attempt to provide Pakistan a fig leaf are mostly leftists/Marxists?
Bhadrak, Bark da Dutt, Surdesai, PSwamy...the list goes on and on and on... they are perfectly ok with Hindus getting butchered but get upset when Hindus retaliate against TSP terror. Of course, this has nothing to do with the brainwashing of the left against Indian civilization starting all the way from their grand poobah Marx. All coincidence onlee.. yessir.

You know Karan - I sometimes wonder that this is not real "Leftist/Marxism". It is the same supercilious, patronizing, crinkle-nosed "we are the ruling class" attitude that the Pakis and the ruling Brits had. But Marxism gave a good excuse for the elite to take on airs of "speaking for the people". Since Hindoos would never really belong "up there" among the Brit/Mughal ruling class - Marxism allowed them a back door entry to assume the same airs and hold the same attitudes while fending off the natural bias against the Hindoo that these Indian would normally face from Brits and Ashraf and Paki Ashraf-pretenders.

[Karan M]

Lokesh - there is a degree of Macaulaygiri here. I received just such an education. The rustics, while being "my people" are ignorant and backward and cannot be trusted to deal with things. The post-independence Lutyens Delhi and the Congress party bristles with this type of person - who speaks English using an accent, pronunciation and expressions that I instantly identify with and feel kinship with. Many are Doon school graduates and I went to that genre of school. That type of education imparts a degree of contempt for the average Indian - it may not be hatred but those Indians are sufficiently "different" for me to be ruling class.

Incidentally - among this class of people there are turncoats (like me). Nehru himself was something of a turncoat. I think that on the whole he genuinely felt something for "his people" despite having an education that taught him something different.

You are right when you identify the attitude as: "The Rustic Indian was conquered by the Moguls and then by the Brishits, and hence the Rustic Indian ideology is just that, a shameful bane of our past." but it is not merely a rejection of the rustic but an active identification of self with the Mughals and the Brits. That identification with "victors" has been reinforced by Britain's "greatness and magnanimity" in post independence and the fact that the Pakistanis they meet are all "ruling class". It is possible to divest oneself of that identification - and only then can one start looking at the rustic Indian with empathy rather than as someone beneath one's own status.

Shivji,

One need not even be born with access to such education to be "different". One only needs to rely on Frontline, the Chindu, Outlook etc as reading material and have a good circle of left leaning activists to be brainwashed. Next level of brainwashing is to then try for several Indian civil exams in eons past. Full of Grade A propagandu.

Once that hook is placed as a child, they will continue to be brainwashed. Anything from reality will cause cognitive dissonance.

In short the influence of the Left/Self Loathing elite is beyond just the Lutyens crowd and has tentacles across many places. Add the sinisterly brilliant idea to make it a class war, in the face of upper caste vs lower caste dynamic which our left have savvily exploited and it becomes a full blown challenge impacting the minds of many.

The toxic persona leftism breeds is explained here http://www.countercurrents.org/sikand190412.htm
Of course the chap had to later recant under the face of much threats and what not. But he spoke the truth for once.

[Karan M]

You know Karan - I sometimes wonder that this is not real "Leftist/Marxism". It is the same supercilious, patronizing, crinkle-nosed "we are the ruling class" attitude that the Pakis and the ruling Brits had. But Marxism gave a good excuse for the elite to take on airs of "speaking for the people". Since Hindoos would never really belong "up there" among the Brit/Mughal ruling class - Marxism allowed them a back door entry to assume the same airs and hold the same attitudes while fending off the natural bias against the Hindoo that these Indian would normally face from Brits and Ashraf and Paki Ashraf-pretenders.

Marxism IMHO is not just the ruling class anymore. It has spread tentacles to each and every nook (or attempted to). It flows directly from Marx's contempt for Hindus and Asiatic society which had to be torn down and a better western society put in place. So everything Indian or local has to be addressed with contempt. Remember Yoga day? Heres how our leftists in the media addressed it.

http://www.firstpost.com/india/yoga-fan ... 06408.html

Note the manner in which the article has been written. Its dripping with supercilious contempt. How dare you @#$%Q so and so claim equivalence with anything western, hain jee? A far more sober article could have been written about the need for caution about where yoga may work, etc - in order to genuinely explore the facts, but it wasn't. No serious attempt to figure out how Yoga relates to modern understanding of the human body and its benefits. Compare and contrast to the massive effort underway in the west to claim yoga and digest it. http://www.yoganatomy.com/ or http://www.amazon.com/Yoga-Anatomy-2nd- ... 1450400248 or http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/283689.php

These loathsome characters in the Indian left will mock and ridicule every effort by Indians to understand their own heritage or even progress it. Meanwhile, its left to the west to take it and run with it.
At the same time, a parallel attempt to then claim yoga has nothing to do with Hinduism. The mere thought that Hinduism could have anything positive associated with it = Hindu pride = anti minority. http://www.firstpost.com/living/dear-hi ... 05166.html

So the Marxists inculcate self loathing & also give a pedestal and podium for bigots of other faiths to trumpet their anti Hindu/anti Indian credentials by claiming they are of the left. So if you are a non Hindu and want to pour contempt on anything related to Hindus, how can you do it? Claim you are Leftist. Its a tactic well employed by a lot of the folks in the Indian media who routinely opine on Hinduism with barely disguised hatred but completely steer free of their own faiths (whilst claiming they are leftist, and all religions are meh!).

The dilli elite merely co-opted this crowd. They provided the intellectual fig leaf for the former to cover up their votebank policies and general dislike of the average village goer walking around with a tilak on his head.

After all, why the dislike? Because the British and the Mughals before them, deliberately co-opted and created a class of people who held their own people in contempt and would rule over them as rai-bahadurs, as sahibs and what not.

When the British left, they did their best to transfer power to the same gang making sure their interests were served.
These chaps in turn decided that the left was the one organization with its belief system closest to theirs and would willingly serve, and so they did.

At the end of the day, these guys are bigots. They need to be addressed as such and the fig leaf Indians give to the left and Marxists needs to be withdrawn. These guys are in many ways, no better than the TSP types. Both cannot stand India's culture.

[arun]

Canadian Citizen Found Guilty Of Terrorism Likely To Be Deported To Pakistan

Exclusive: Tories move to strip citizenship from Canadian-born terrorist

Case of Saad Gaya, convicted bomb plotter, a major test for controversial new law

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No more Canadian Visa’s as well for a separate pair of citizens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan by name of Jahanzeb Malik and Mohammed Aqeeq Ansari, because of their indulging in the Islamic Republic’s favourite national pastime of Mohammadden Terrorism in Canada.

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan, just as they refused to take back the cadavers of their soldiers exterminated for infiltrating into India during the Kargil Crisis ,“was reluctant to take the men back” :

In expelling those tracing descent to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Canada is making the wise decision of insulating itself from Mohammadden terrorism by undoing the damage of accepting Mohammadden Pakistani’s as immigrants in the first place:

Two men held on terror allegations deported to Pakistan

[arun]

X Posted from the “26/11/2008: Never Forget. Never Forgive.” Thread.

Pakistani origin Mohammadden Terrorist, Tahawwur Hussain Rana, who among other terrorist related crimes was found guilty of providing material support to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s State Sponsored Mohammadden Terrorist 26/11 Mumbai attack may be stripped of Canadian citizenship;

Pakistani-Canadian imprisoned over plot to decapitate newspaper employees targeted for citizenship revocation

[Amber G.]

^^^ Xposted also ..
^^^^^^ Seriously, India should get her hand on him [Tahawwur Hussain Rana].. extradite him after and transfer him to an Indian court for a trial.

R . According to the U.S. Bureau of Prisons, his scheduled release date is Dec. 28, 2021. Upon completion of his sentence, he would have likely been deported to Canada. But if his citizenship is successfully revoked, he could only be returned to Pakistan.

Never forget all these scums..

[SaraLax]

Canadian Citizen Found Guilty Of Terrorism Likely To Be Deported To Pakistan

Exclusive: Tories move to strip citizenship from Canadian-born terrorist

Case of Saad Gaya, convicted bomb plotter, a major test for controversial new law

................{Rest Snipped}..................

No more Canadian Visa’s as well for a separate pair of citizens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan by name of Jahanzeb Malik and Mohammed Aqeeq Ansari, because of their indulging in the Islamic Republic’s favourite national pastime of Mohammadden Terrorism in Canada.

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan, just as they refused to take back the cadavers of their soldiers exterminated for infiltrating into India during the Kargil Crisis ,“was reluctant to take the men back” :

In expelling those tracing descent to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Canada is making the wise decision of insulating itself from Mohammadden terrorism by undoing the damage of accepting Mohammadden Pakistani’s as immigrants in the first place:

Two men held on terror allegations deported to Pakistan

I don't like the above happening .... These guys are better slammed for life in jails in which ever western country they are caught.

Once these guys come to Pakistan ... the possibility of these guys being let off & asked by the ISI or likewise Jihadi groups to conduct Jihad against India is very high. They can soon appear at the Indian borders to infiltrate and cause problems. The Indian Army, IB, Local State CIDs in bordering regions - need to be aware of potential situations like this.

Yes .. PAKISTAN & PAKISTANI supporters are shamed one more notch when such news items appear in the western & other global newspapers but then these entities are completely oblivious to shaming of any manner. Most of the govts & diplomats around the world already know the toxic sewage dump that Pakistan is .... hence these two guys being deported doesn't really change that well established view. Most of the informed population around west & south east asia also know the nuisance that Pakistanis are.

[Bhurishrava]

Ever notice how most of the Indian apologists for Pakistani terror and even those who attempt to provide Pakistan a fig leaf are mostly leftists/Marxists?

What leftists/marxists. These guys go to iftaar parties and wear skull caps. So much for `Religion is the opium of masses`. CPI(M) seeks private investment in Bengal.
ABVP is following Marx more than these fools.