Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05, 2015

[member_22733]

Incidentally - among this class of people there are turncoats (like me). Nehru himself was something of a turncoat. I think that on the whole he genuinely felt something for "his people" despite having an education that taught him something different.

You are right when you identify the attitude as: "The Rustic Indian was conquered by the Moguls and then by the Brishits, and hence the Rustic Indian ideology is just that, a shameful bane of our past." but it is not merely a rejection of the rustic but an active identification of self with the Mughals and the Brits. That identification with "victors" has been reinforced by Britain's "greatness and magnanimity" in post independence and the fact that the Pakistanis they meet are all "ruling class". It is possible to divest oneself of that identification - and only then can one start looking at the rustic Indian with empathy rather than as someone beneath one's own status.

Indeed. That is why I mentioned the attempt at scrubbing ones identity. It is the second twine of the thread that unites our Liberal retards and the Bakistanis. I called them retards because they are really retarded from the point of view of their self-identity and their measure of self worth. They ofcourse hate themselves and are ashamed of being themselves... to the point of paranoia.

Both of them cope with the fact that they were born into the community of whom they consider losers but they desperately want to identify with those whom they consider victors. Looking into the mirror, physical and metaphorical, is a shame for them. In the reflection they see a rustic Indian, the skin color due to genetics and the character traits imbibed by elders who got it from a culture that was shaped long before the birth of the desert religions and their mutations that they desperately follow.

The solution to this shame obviously is to seek approval from the "victors". They chase an ideal utopia and strive themselves to become the ideal images of what their idols ("the victors") prescribed them as a solution to their "backwardness" due to the misfortune of being born in the wrong place.

In Bakistanis, it has been always about being an ideal Muslim. For Indian liberals it is to seek perfection in whatever metric the "liberal" west sets us for. If we miss one step from their script, our society makes ONE choice that differs from their prescription of scrubbing shame, they feel like the world is lost and it ends up with statements from retarded folks such as this:

barkha dutt ‏@BDUTT 14h14 hours ago
What's the point of making a (rightful) pitch for India at the global high table at the UN if back home we revel in murderous hatred #Dadri

The reasoning being: How can we be in the UN when we do "shameful" things?!! We need to be a liberal utopia before we deserve anything, until then.... we should be ashamed.

Another way a Baki == liberal Indians (aka libtards)

[srin]

Talking about communists ...
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/editori ... 712679.ece

All of its references and pleas to UN committees to take up the dispute have been disregarded, and every P-5 nation has counselled both countries to resolve the issue bilaterally. At a time when India’s position on this question is actually being upheld, it is puzzling why New Delhi wished to take this new line at the UN; it would only invite the multilateral spotlight back on to the Kashmir issue. As an active aspirant to a permanent seat in the Security Council, India’s stature would be enhanced internationally if it instead sets in motion a bilateral process to resolve issues with its neighbour, with a view to ending the decades-old dispute. That will need the bricks-and-mortar of sustained discussions on the basis of common interests. Such a process cannot possibly be replaced by a simple wave between the two Prime Ministers across a crowded floor at a UN meeting.

Good to know where this leftist rag stands

[Austin]

Never forget all these scums..

As much as I would love to see them tried in India Court under Indian Laws for the crimes committed against State of india.

I have lost hope they would come back here , Most likely they would remain State of Pakistan and would end up receiving Nishan-E-Pakistan

[dada]

Pakistan has absolutely no leverage over India except terror. So talks purely focussed on "terror" would hardly serve paki interest. It is illogical/foolish to expect Pk to giveup terror voluntarily in near future. But without givingup terror, there wont be talks(read negotiations) either.
So both countries will be stuck in the groove for a long period in the future. We lived with many unresolved issues for last 68 years, let us prepare ourselves mentally to live with these unresolved issues for the next 68 years too.

[SSridhar]

Talking about communists ...
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/editori ... 712679.ece

All of its references and pleas to UN committees to take up the dispute have been disregarded, and every P-5 nation has counselled both countries to resolve the issue bilaterally. At a time when India’s position on this question is actually being upheld, it is puzzling why New Delhi wished to take this new line at the UN; it would only invite the multilateral spotlight back on to the Kashmir issue. As an active aspirant to a permanent seat in the Security Council, India’s stature would be enhanced internationally if it instead sets in motion a bilateral process to resolve issues with its neighbour, with a view to ending the decades-old dispute. That will need the bricks-and-mortar of sustained discussions on the basis of common interests. Such a process cannot possibly be replaced by a simple wave between the two Prime Ministers across a crowded floor at a UN meeting.

Good to know where this leftist rag stands

The Hindu chose not to publish any comment at all for the above Editorial ! That speaks volumes of the response it would have got.

[rohitvats]

You know Karan - I sometimes wonder that this is not real "Leftist/Marxism". It is the same supercilious, patronizing, crinkle-nosed "we are the ruling class" attitude that the Pakis and the ruling Brits had. But Marxism gave a good excuse for the elite to take on airs of "speaking for the people". Since Hindoos would never really belong "up there" among the Brit/Mughal ruling class - Marxism allowed them a back door entry to assume the same airs and hold the same attitudes while fending off the natural bias against the Hindoo that these Indian would normally face from Brits and Ashraf and Paki Ashraf-pretenders.

I just had a tube-light moment after reading the discussion.

IMO, the ‘elite’, and this includes the ‘eminent intellectuals’, media, track-2 worthies, politicians, old family industrialist et al, are the ‘ruling’ class of this country. And they’ve co-opted many from the IAS/IPS/IFS as well. The license-permit raj which permeated this country for so many years, ensured that the ‘haves’ were the only ones who prospered while ‘have-nots’ had no way to grow. And were always reliant on the doles and patronage given by the system. Someone like Reliance was an exception. And even he faced numerous challenges.

As Shiv propounded earlier, the ideology of Socialism and Marxism was nothing but a tool to pretend that the ruling elite were there to serve the people. And that post-Independence, the political dispensation and its associated structure was there for there to uplift of the poor. It was a veneer to hide the actual nature of this dispensation. A dispensation which carried over from British – British were here to rule and not serve. Same attitude was carried forward by the Indian elite which filled the vacuum post withdrawal of English.

To this ruling class, the vast masses of Indians are the ‘praja’ and they are the overlords. They decide what is good or bad for mango-people. And how they ought to live and what they ought to worship. And this ruling class has ensured all these years are the status of population remains that way.

It is only now, in last decade, that mango-Indians have come on their own.

A NM represents the India which for so many decades had been lorded over. India which existed outside the manicured gardens and gates of their palatial bungalows in Lutyen’s Delhi.

And these ruling class and structure has more in common with Pakistani RAPE class than Indians. We talk about Mumbai 26/11 and all other terrorist attacks on this country. But you see, it is the mango-man who suffers. Not a scratch on the body of this elite class. So, when this elite class and their minions talk about peace, they’re taking about maintaining status quo with their counter-parts, the ruling elite of Pakistan.

A common man asking for tough stance on Pakistan disturbs the nice little cosy club that these two share across the border. And hence, out-come the sermons of peace this and peace that. They don’t want to spoil their party because unwashed masses want strict action and justice for the death and destruction they’ve suffered.

Indian elite is not batting for India…it is batting for itself and its club across the border. For both of them feed of each other.

[SSridhar]

Bizarre warning - Editorial, DT

Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority (PEMRA), at the behest of the government, has reportedly sent out a stern reminder to the top management of major news channels, using the questionable medium of SMS, about the consequences of criticising “friendly countries”. The friendly country in this context is Saudi Arabia, and this happens to be the second time this year when PEMRA has gallantly intervened and warned Pakistan’s media houses about harming the delicate special relationship between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. The first time was in May when the Yemen war was brewing and Pakistan’s army was potentially being roped into Saudi Arabia’s regional power play. As the involvement of Pakistan’s forces in a distant war was a national concern, the issue was furiously debated on the airwaves and those debates earned an official sanction. This time the offending actions of media have been discussing the Mina tragedy and being rightfully critical of gross mismanagement by the Saudi authorities, which has led to great suffering for thousands of families worldwide, including in Pakistan. PEMRA is hiding behind a constitutional prerogative, Article 19, which puts restrictions on freedom of speech when it comes to relations with “friendly countries”. Regardless of the merits of this constitutional article, the ambiguously worded limitations on free speech and press are applied in a distinctly inconsistent and incoherent manner. An insider of the state body confessed that no such warning is issued when it comes to criticism of the US or other allies of Pakistan in the media, as they are deemed to have a thick enough skin. This arbitrary approach in implementing the law is seemingly designed to protect the sensibilities of just one government and makes a mockery of the entire procedure.

[eklavya]

- there is a degree of Macaulaygiri here. I received just such an education. The rustics, while being "my people" are ignorant and backward and cannot be trusted to deal with things. The post-independence Lutyens Delhi and the Congress party bristles with this type of person - who speaks English using an accent, pronunciation and expressions that I instantly identify with and feel kinship with. Many are Doon school graduates and I went to that genre of school. That type of education imparts a degree of contempt for the average Indian - it may not be hatred but those Indians are sufficiently "different" for me to be ruling class.

Incidentally - among this class of people there are turncoats (like me). Nehru himself was something of a turncoat. I think that on the whole he genuinely felt something for "his people" despite having an education that taught him something different.

shiv, The Doon School imbibes a deep love for Indian culture, history, environment and all its people. It has a nationalist ethos. See for yourself:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9aAs2_xUcLw

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8NK4bTzWaP0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KLJs4BOeYW8

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ik0La4cFJ80

There is no contempt for anyone.

My house:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=20AYtoEw8LE

[abhijitm]

To this ruling class, the vast masses of Indians are the ‘praja’ and they are the overlords. They decide what is good or bad for mango-people. And how they ought to live and what they ought to worship. And this ruling class has ensured all these years are the status of population remains that way.

It is only now, in last decade, that mango-Indians have come on their own.

A NM represents the India which for so many decades had been lorded over. India which existed outside the manicured gardens and gates of their palatial bungalows in Lutyen’s Delhi.

And these ruling class and structure has more in common with Pakistani RAPE class than Indians. We talk about Mumbai 26/11 and all other terrorist attacks on this country. But you see, it is the mango-man who suffers. Not a scratch on the body of this elite class. So, when this elite class and their minions talk about peace, they’re taking about maintaining status quo with their counter-parts, the ruling elite of Pakistan.

A common man asking for tough stance on Pakistan disturbs the nice little cosy club that these two share across the border. And hence, out-come the sermons of peace this and peace that. They don’t want to spoil their party because unwashed masses want strict action and justice for the death and destruction they’ve suffered.

Indian elite is not batting for India…it is batting for itself and its club across the border. For both of them feed of each other.

Rohitvats, see this post on the similar lines
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 0#p1628983

[rohitvats]

<SNIP>
Rohitvats, see this post on the similar lines
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 0#p1628983

Absolutely fantastic.

You expressed much more succinctly what I tried to say above. And kudos to ramana for saving the post for posterity so that likes of me can read and understand.

Today has been one of those 'tube-light' days on BRF when things start making that much more sense...

[chetak]

<SNIP>
Rohitvats, see this post on the similar lines
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 0#p1628983

Absolutely fantastic.

You expressed much more succinctly what I tried to say above. And kudos to ramana for saving the post for posterity so that likes of me can read and understand.

Today has been one of those 'tube-light' days on BRF when things start making that much more sense...

Rohit,

this theme of the elites surely may explain a lot of things hitherto shrouded in mystery and has to be unraveled and documented methodically and dispassionately. It looks like a few perceptible folks have begun to discern the almost secret existence of this cabal and it's networked activities. The fatal backlash of the RSS against LKA after his attempted jinnah whitewash may have also been prompted by such a perception and some buzurg RSS folks may have the threads of the clues to such a cabal and it's machinations.

just look at the family and social interconnections of sushma and vasundhara, to quote a recent example, with some old money industry bigwigs, many of whom funded gandhi and nehru as well as the congis during the freedom movement as well as their deep connections with the british.

Maybe someone among the BRF lot has such connections and is able to talk to some knowledgeable elders??

[chetak]

Bizarre warning - Editorial, DT

Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority (PEMRA), at the behest of the government, has reportedly sent out a stern reminder to the top management of major news channels, using the questionable medium of SMS, about the consequences of criticising “friendly countries”. The friendly country in this context is Saudi Arabia, and this happens to be the second time this year when PEMRA has gallantly intervened and warned Pakistan’s media houses about harming the delicate special relationship between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. The first time was in May when the Yemen war was brewing and Pakistan’s army was potentially being roped into Saudi Arabia’s regional power play. As the involvement of Pakistan’s forces in a distant war was a national concern, the issue was furiously debated on the airwaves and those debates earned an official sanction. This time the offending actions of media have been discussing the Mina tragedy and being rightfully critical of gross mismanagement by the Saudi authorities, which has led to great suffering for thousands of families worldwide, including in Pakistan. PEMRA is hiding behind a constitutional prerogative, Article 19, which puts restrictions on freedom of speech when it comes to relations with “friendly countries”. Regardless of the merits of this constitutional article, the ambiguously worded limitations on free speech and press are applied in a distinctly inconsistent and incoherent manner. An insider of the state body confessed that no such warning is issued when it comes to criticism of the US or other allies of Pakistan in the media, as they are deemed to have a thick enough skin. This arbitrary approach in implementing the law is seemingly designed to protect the sensibilities of just one government and makes a mockery of the entire procedure.

Did anyone monitor any serious discussions in the Indian DDM, print or electronic about the mina tragedy?? Looks like many external forces have a firm control over the Indian media

[A_Gupta]

Regarding the ruminations above, it is not some India-specific thing. The nature of power is to corrupt. The elites develop their own interests, at the cost of the bulk of the people. The attempted solution is to distribute power, and to enable churn. Power must regularly change hands.

On the political side, there needs to be the appropriate distribution of powers from the center to the states and down to the panchayat. The churn is the regular operation of elections (and we have to watch out that moneyed interests cannot capture the elections, e.g., like the emerging oligarchy in the US). On the money side, there needs to be merit-based economic advancement (i.e., end to crony capitalism) and high inheritance taxes. There needs to be high social mobility. Likewise with the intellectual life of the country. The problem in India is not Leftism as such, but rather its near monopoly on power. There need to be healthy competing intellectual schools of thought.

Every elite is going to resist its displacement from power. This is simply human nature. The rules of the game need to be such that they can be displaced, and what is not acceptable is changing the rules in order to remain in power. This is where the Indian elite distinguishes itself from the Pakistani elite, at least in the political arena. The Indian elite has accepted the inevitability of change via the ballot box. In Pakistan, as defenders of the national ideology - not the national borders only - the Pakistani Army is the most significant barrier to the needed political churn.

Most of us will agree that PM Modi has risen to the top post due to his ability and energy. Let's hope he has two successful terms. But riding on his coattails will be all kinds of less deserving people, and unless they are shaken out of power a few election cycles down the road, they will form the next stultifying elite. I am in no more favor of a permanent BJP majority than I am in favor of a Congress majority.

A nation should worry about not producing enough people of a caliber worthy of rising and wielding power. And it should worry about the process of churn - IMO, in India, in the humanities, economics, think-tank type areas, there is insufficient competition and churn. But in an India-Pakistan comparison, which I think is allowable, because people are comparing the Indian elite and Pakistan elite in this thread, India comes out favorably on these measures, even if what India has is grossly inadequate.

[jash_p]

AOA !!!!

Lal topi back.

Zaid Hamid returns to Pakistan after KSA arrest


Zaid Hamid was arrested in June this year, for making an alleged provocative speech in Madina criticising the Saudi government.─ Photo courtesy Zaid Hamid official Facebook page.
ISLAMABAD: Self-proclaimed security analyst Zaid Hamid has been released from a jail in Saudi Arabia and he has reached Pakistan, Foreign Office spokesman Qazi Khalilullah told DawnNews on Saturday.

[SSridhar]

Aha, the bizarre warning issued by PEMRA (posted above) now makes sense with the return of the Lal Topiwale.

[Vivasvat]

Apologies in case this was already known: London mosque on fire was Ahmadi

Two teenagers were arrested on suspicion of arson. One, aged 14, was bailed pending further questioning and a 16-year-old was released with no further action. A Metropolitan police spokesperson said the investigation was ongoing, but there was “nothing to suggest this was a hate crime”.

1) Any bets on the kids having Puki roots?
2) Are the Brits nurturing Ahmadis?

[Karan M]

The problem in India is not Leftism as such, but rather its near monopoly on power. There need to be healthy competing intellectual schools of thought.

The problem with Leftism in the Indian context is that its founders were incredibly racist towards the Indian people and many of the hallowed herrows of the Indian Leftist movement took off on similar vein, trashing everything local, making it an Upper Caste vs Backward caste, class war with the onus on Hindus of proving they are not rapacious demons. This article by Yoginder Sikand exposes the toxic morass that is Indian Leftism. (http://www.countercurrents.org/sikand190412.htm). If Leftism as practised in India, was about more social inclusiveness from all sides, about upliftment of everyone (without ascribing motives to one group or demonizing one group over the other and picking sides) about genuine humanity, then it would be a useful counter to mercantile, profit alone driven individuals and groups. However, it has actually become a barrier to social and economic progress. In the guise of solving class conflicts, it perpetuates them by making people more and more parochial and justified in whatever it is that they do, since the evil baniya-brahmans are out to get them. This is remarkably similar to the propaganda used by EJs and the Direct Action Day types and later the Nazariya Pakistan types. They maintain a nexus with anti India forces which violently oppose the state or target one religious group (eg the Maoists and Kandhamal) and pass it off as social activism. It's no surprise then that the Naxal movement grew from strength to strength in India, while targeted economic measures which could have reduced the impact or even the allure of such a movement were opposed by overground workers in Delhi and elsewhere who push for the most inefficient and corruption prone NREGA type measures and prevent any development in the actual areas of concern. In short the Left in India is not merely an anachronism, its a direct problem for both social stability and long term future of the country. Via its influence on the Indian economic system, almost 6 decades of economic growth was stunted. Via its disproportionate influence on the MSM and assorted channels of english and even regional media, they seek to protect Pakistan from its own actions (one only need read the MSM to see the manner in which TSP barbarism was downplayed for decades by prominent journalists with a leftist bend) or condone China for its land grab. They then are a national security issue. They host conferences and outreach events hand in glove with missionary groups who care nothing for India's syncretic culture and hold the average Hindu's tolerance in contempt, this then affects our societal stability. They also allow the most toxic comnunal groups to use the term "progressive" to further their agenda and support them. In short, the Left in India has long since become a national security challenge. It needs to be dismantled lock, stock and barrel. Perhaps a more Indian, humane version can then rise which is actually about being patriotic and helping their country of origin.

[shiv]

shiv, The Doon School imbibes a deep love for Indian culture, history, environment and all its people. It has a nationalist ethos. See for yourself:

Aha protecting the reputation of the old Alma mater eh? The tendency to rally round the flag of your school and later your regiment is characteristic of these schools and actively inculcated (and I am a product of one such). Except that the people I am talking about are rallying around the Congress party flag and do not seem to show all the positive qualities that I expect from someone who has a genuine feeling of empathy for the people of this nation.

[Vipul]

Watch from 26:50 onwards, Ejaz Haider criticizing Indian media for being anti-pakistan and praising The Hindu and Suhasini Haider as its journalist for not taking a pro- india stance.

[A_Gupta]

Talking about communists ...
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/editori ... 712679.ece

All of its references and pleas to UN committees to take up the dispute have been disregarded, and every P-5 nation has counselled both countries to resolve the issue bilaterally. At a time when India’s position on this question is actually being upheld, it is puzzling why New Delhi wished to take this new line at the UN; it would only invite the multilateral spotlight back on to the Kashmir issue. As an active aspirant to a permanent seat in the Security Council, India’s stature would be enhanced internationally if it instead sets in motion a bilateral process to resolve issues with its neighbour, with a view to ending the decades-old dispute. That will need the bricks-and-mortar of sustained discussions on the basis of common interests. Such a process cannot possibly be replaced by a simple wave between the two Prime Ministers across a crowded floor at a UN meeting.

Good to know where this leftist rag stands

I'd take the opposite stance. If India cannot get Pakistan to end its terrorism before any other negotiations take place, does India deserve to be a member of the Security Council? India shows it strength by sticking to principle, no matter how unpopular it is among the international elite.

PS: India is actually in the very strong position of where its national interest and the principle "no negotiations with terrorists" are in perfect alignment.

[Falijee]

Aha, the bizarre warning issued by PEMRA (posted above) now makes sense with the return of the Lal Topiwale.

And SS-ji, not forgetting the "special relationship" that Ganja Sharif enjoys, via his "matrimonial alliance" with the "House of Saud"

[Falijee]

PM Nawaz was left ‘isolated’ by world leaders during UN General Assembly session- Pak Daily

LAHORE (Staff Report) – Prime Minister Nawaz was left completely isolated by world leaders during the 70th session of United Nations General Assembly (UNGA), claimed senior journalist Sami Ibrahim.

The journalist was also present in New York during the visit of prime minister.

A video shared at Facebook page of Pakistan Tehreek-eInsaf leader Usman Dar shows Sami Ibrahim commenting about Nawaz Sharif’s visit, in which he says that Pakistan’s diplomacy was badly failed to present Pakistani stance on global issue including Indian involvement in Pakistan.

So that explains his visit to the "famous" N.Y. Italian eatery, where he decided to drown his misery by gorging on vegetarian pizza

He further adds that Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif did not go to reception hosted by US President Barack Obama, and due to his absence the Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi took up the front seat and conveyed Indian stance effectively. The prime minister was also not aware of a Pakistani request to UN Security Council in which it urged the world leaders to take notice of Indian wall along Working Boundary. Maleeha Lodhi reminded him about the matter during a meeting with UN General Secretary Ban Ki-Moon, he said.

But then what can you expect from this "leader", who delivered speech in English in spite of the Government's recent directive to ensure that Urdu should be used for national and international communications

[vasu raya]

PS: India is actually in the very strong position of where its national interest and the principle "no negotiations with terrorists" are in perfect alignment.

great articulation sirji, in reply to US constantly egging for talks

[Singha]

it seems Netanyahu hurriedly cancelled his dinner reservation at a restaurant when it was found nawaz sharif had also booked tables there . it was done for security concerns.

[chetak]

it seems Netanyahu hurriedly cancelled his dinner reservation at a restaurant when it was found nawaz sharif had also booked tables there . it was done for security concerns.

Not security concerns.

The israelis don't eat or dine with pork

[Falijee]

99% Of Pakistanis Were Hindus_ Muslim Scholar

Pakistanis are basically Hindus, Pakistani lady scholar admits

A brave Pakistani lady scholar boldly states what many Indians won't.

In a landmark confession of truth, an enlightened Muslim intellectual, Fauzia Syed, declared during a discussion on a television channel that all Pakistani and Bangladeshi Muslims are essentially Hindus, and that in rare cases, they might be Buddhists.

The lady activist lamented that a lot of Muslims, mainly Pakistani and Bangladeshi, have a hard time accepting the fact that their ancestors were Hindus who were converted by force of sword to Islam. The gutsy lady said this in a live television show while responding to the argument of radical Pakistani Muslim preacher Zaid Hamid.

Syed’s bold assertion of the truth is a clarion call to Hindus to wake up from slumber and re-educate and enlighten the Muslims of the sub-continent about their ancestry and massacres of their forefathers. Unfortunately till now, no Hindu has responded to her wakeup call.

Explaining her viewpoint lucidly, Fauzia said that most Pakistani Muslims believe they are the offspring of the Muslim invaders who came attacking the sub-continent from Muslim lands. But this is an unalloyed falsehood. Any person having a hint of common sense would know that the ancestors of more than 99 percent Pakistanis were Hindus. Unfortunately, Pakistan does not want to admit the bitter truth, nor are the Pakistanis prepared to hear it, she averred.

But to admit that,would require a lot of re-think and shattering of their assumptions -obviously a loss to their famous Enchedee

Thus, the bold assertion of Fauzia Syed that the Hindus of Pakistan, nay of the entire sub-continent, were forcibly converted to Islam by sword is absolutely correct. It is time that the gory narrative of the slaughter of Hindu forbears of today’s Pakistani Muslims is brought out of closet and debated publicly by inviting the braveheart Pakistani lady scholar to India.

[abhijitm]

Is this a threat or delusion? Ganja trying to blackmail India.

India will have to consider peace proposals, sooner or later

To a question regarding India rebuffing his peace roadmap with a ‘one-point’ peace proposal of its own, the prime minister said, “India will have to follow the peace plan sooner or later and the sooner they do the better it will be.

[Amber G.]

it seems Netanyahu hurriedly cancelled his dinner reservation at a restaurant when it was found nawaz sharif had also booked tables there . it was done for security concerns.

It has been posted before but NY Post (and some paki news papers too) has hilarious account of that dinner.. With madam Nawaz covered in gold ornaments..trying to speak Italian to waiters..about 10 people in the party (with another 2 tables booked for the staff) -- spending 3 HOURS there .. (avoiding other meetings).. etc..

Interestingly there were stories of his room in Wardoff Astoria costing $8000+ per day (Modi's cost was about $1100 per day per these reports ).. 74 in the party (with 27 in family and personal staff).. ... He really looked pathetic in the news conference where mainly paki reporters were there.. stuttering and clearing his throat and not being able to answer even the most innocent questions...ONLY people of significance he got audience withe were a few grocery store owners and of course Bill Gates who - according to some stories - laughed at his request of opening PC factory in Pakistan (he politely told that even at MS, he was into software - not hardware) and asked NS the progress of eradication of polio for which BillG donated all that money..)

[Amber G.]

BTW, Sharif (or S Aziz) was bragging that each dossier is thick -- each containing as much as 16 pages!
(Contains many documents etc).. ...
No wonder it took them so long to prepare ..

(I still think it is very funny to watch when some reporter asked him NS why he did not had these thin documents to NaMo or BanKiMoon in person he stuttered .."I was going to but "Mauka he nahi mila" .. now "insa allah our representative will give to UN.."insaallah".. using "insaalla twice in that short sentence.)

[A_Gupta]

Pakistani reactions:
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2015/10 ... an-policy/
"After the new Indian policy"
A recognition of the change:

India has come up with a new strategic approach, altogether different from the one employed by Manmohan Sigh’s government. It now accuses Pakistan of distorting facts and blames it for continuing to use terrorism as an instrument of statecraft. It asks Pakistan to vacate the part of Kashmir under its control.

These are supposedly downsides of the new Indian policy:

Being mired in regional disputes that could lead to a war is a disqualification for a country aspiring for the UN Security Council’s permanent membership.
...
The continuing stand-off with Pakistan would be a disincentive for potential investors who always investigate the security situation before committing their money.
A resort to war would upset Modi’s plans for the Indian economy.

[vishvak]

<SNIP>
Being mired in regional disputes that could lead to a war is a disqualification for a country aspiring for the UN Security Council’s permanent membership.
..
A resort to war would upset Modi’s plans for the Indian economy.

In which case, Indians should open up a beachhead on the Baloch coast, the way Russians have Latakia airbase, and then and only then bomb the heck out of jihadis of all kind! Empty rhetoric is all Pakis are good at, other than usual gassing about stealing electricity from water and 'tapping' fire djinns to solve power woes in Pakistan and so on and so forth.

[member_23692]

shiv, The Doon School imbibes a deep love for Indian culture, history, environment and all its people. It has a nationalist ethos. See for yourself:

Aha protecting the reputation of the old Alma mater eh? The tendency to rally round the flag of your school and later your regiment is characteristic of these schools and actively inculcated (and I am a product of one such). Except that the people I am talking about are rallying around the Congress party flag and do not seem to show all the positive qualities that I expect from someone who has a genuine feeling of empathy for the people of this nation.

Eklavya,

You are fighting a losing battle. You are trying to state facts to counter an orthodoxy and a dogma, held by and perpetuated by the wannabes. Never mind the fact, that it is more the public school (real public school as opposed to the pretenders) types that vote for BJP than the common man. Never mind the fact that it is the public school types who disproportionately carry the burden of nationalism which is so conveniently sacrificed by the "common man" of India at a drop of a hat. Never mind the fact that it is the "common man" who uses any and all methods, with the sole exception of merit and hard work, to grab whatever he can, such as casteism, casteism and yes, more casteism and strength of numbers, otherwise called, "muscle".

Never mind the fact that the problem in India is the "common man" and yes, the current so called " elite", who almost all, even the English speaking congressmen, for the most part, derive from the pool of "common man". With the exception of a maybe 10 people in politics today, mostly comprising of the old royal families, and a media person here or there, there is hardly any representation of the 10 original public schools in any elite institution in India today. Those members of today's so called "elite" who purportedly speak "English", actually butcher the language, but I find it strange that the overwhelming majority on this forum keep identifying them as "Doon School elite". They are far from it. They are uncouth, jahil, ganwars.

[Dipanker]

Could be focus on the topic of the thread instead of trolling with the purpose of derailing the thread?

[abhijitm]

Two paki professors set out a theory of economic relativity between India and Pakistan. read and laugh.

India-Pakistan economic cooperation

First, a discovery

The terms economic union and economic cooperation have gained momentum

Then a SWOT analysis of paki economy

As we are producing cement, textiles and ceramics due to our labour expertise and resource availability, it is very hard for us to compete with India in the software sector and with China in electronics and gadgets. Now it is equally expensive for these countries to compete with Pakistan on the aforementioned sectors

really!! Cotton: india 2nd largest in the world, 3 times larger than pakistan; cement: india second largest in the world, 9 times larger than pakistan; ceramics: India 3rd largest in the world, pakistan so negligible cannot even compute. And these two dumb and dumber telling we are at some sort of disadvantage?

Then provide irrefutable statistics to back your thesis

the combined population of all countries in the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) region is more than 1.650019 trillion and the demand for a product can rise by the factor of n.

remember population of sooth asia is more than 1.5 trillion.

Then device an exchange formula

If economic integration occurs among SAARC countries, the economies of scale will dictate that each country produce its specialised range of products in a specific region, i.e. fan industry in Gujrat (Pakistan) and automobile industry in Pune (India). The effectiveness of such specialisation can be observed in the future with the end result of Pakistan supplying India with better quality lower cost fans

remember not just fans BUT better quality and cheap fans. This is revolutionary. We in India are accustom to costly electric fans. Whereas pakistanis have mastered in producing hand fans. Much cheaper. No doubt it is a win-win formula.

Use technology to support your argument

The specialised labour market can be found in the vicinity i.e. the I.T. professional from Pakistan could travel to Bangalore and contribute expertise to this developed sector over there

Clear any confusion

At best, economists believe that internal market failures should be corrected by domestic policies aimed at problem sources and that the public in trading economies should be well guided as to the true costs of trade policy instruments.

Finally, cover everything, give direction to the generations to come.

As we have covered all the important economic theories of international trade, the lesson is that these theories only give a general idea for policy direction

[Karan M]

These are Pakistani experts in economics?

[chetak]

These are Pakistani experts in economics?

yes sir, rank holding graduates diplomas from the LSE-- lahore school of economics

[Karan M]

oh man. super comprehension man was once telling us LSE was the sooth asian equivalent of world class institutions. yeh lo.

[Prem]

These are Pakistani experts in economics?

PM Modi is actually making sure each and every house in India must have at least One Pakistan for daily ritual. It make economic as well social sense for India to employ one poor Pakistani for each Pakistan to solve pakistan problem in South Asia. Other South Asian nations can replicate this formula on permanent basis. But
Lamha-e Coup Is Coming Closer & Closer Causing Constant Constitutional Constipational Cranking
‘Pakistan’s armed forces far better today than ’65, ’71’

KARACHI: Pakistan’s armed forces are far superior today than in the wars of 1965 and 1971, panelists at breakfast meeting organised by the Council of Pakistan Newspaper Editors (CPNE) observed on Friday.“Our armed forces are second to none in fighting militants and have proven themselves far better than many western armies fighting Islamic State and other militant factions without much success in the Middle East,” President of Pakistan Ex-Servicemen Association (Pesa) Lt-Gen (retd) Ali Kuli Khan said at the meeting held in Karachi.According to Gen Khan, the command of Pakistan Army is in professional hands today. “There is line of senior officers capable of taking command from the present chief to carry on their legacy to future generation,” he said.Talking about the fall of East Pakistan in 1971, the Pesa president said holding the army alone responsible for the debacle is unfair. “I don’t want to start a blame game but the war in East Pakistan was lost before it began… it was lost for political reasons,” he said.He added that even the then army chief of the Indian army praised Pakistani forces and admitted that the latter faced the overwhelming strength of 16 to one in India’s favour.Gen Khan also hit out at Pakistani leaders who have robbed the nation blind through rampant corruption. He said government servants, both uniformed and non-uniformed, were now chasing these leaders who have left Pakistan in a state beyond repair.CPNE Secretary General Dr Jabbar Khattak said the army has been playing a positive role in Pakistan in addition to their duties on border. “This has impacted our country’s history both inside and outside Pakistan,” he said.Defence analyst and former POW in 1971, Ikram Sehgal also praised the army and rangers, saying they had done an exceedingly good job in Karachi. “After 2008 there is a tremendous change in army’s achievements. No army has got success against militants in the world with all their vast resources like Pakistan Armed Forces,” he said. “This momentum must carry on into future,” he added.

[Prem]

Shireen Mazari ‏@ShireenMazari
After watching chaos spread in ME, time 2 revisit Ralph Peters' "Blood Borders" art in US Armed Forces Journal after 9/11! Design unfolds!

[Dipanker]

barkha dutt ‏@BDUTT 14h14 hours ago
What's the point of making a (rightful) pitch for India at the global high table at the UN if back home we revel in murderous hatred #Dadri

The reasoning being: How can we be in the UN when we do "shameful" things?!! We need to be a liberal utopia before we deserve anything, until then.... we should be ashamed.

Another way a Baki == liberal Indians (aka libtards)

Presstitutes like Barkha Dutt, Karan Thapar et all are sell outs but IMO it is wrong to to equate all Indian liberals == Baki on the basis of these few bad apples.