West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Oct 2015 15:14

Putin: Obama and Hollande are not Syrian citizens, can't decide Syria's future

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Oct 2015 15:24

http://www.rt.com/news/317068-russia-is ... ria/[quote]

04 October 2015
09:37 GMT

Russia’s military action in Syria is a "terrible mistake" British Prime Minister David Cameron said on Sunday.

"They are backing the butcher Assad, which is a terrible mistake for them and for the world. It's going to make the region more unstable," Reuters cited the British PM as saying on the first day of Conservative Party's annual conference in Manchester.

PM Cameron, who shared his belief that Russia’s airstrikes in Syria have become a dramatic escalation of the foreign involvement in the conflict, maintained that "most of the Russian airstrikes, as far as we've been able to see so far, have been in parts of Syria not controlled by ISIL (Islamic State), but controlled by other opponents of the regime."

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09:15 GMT

Military efforts in Syria are necessary even though they cannot put an end to the war there, German Chancellor Angela Merkel told a German radio station.

"Regarding Syria, I said the first time: We will need military efforts, but military efforts will not bring the solution; we need a political process, but that has not really got going very well yet," Reuters cited Merkel as saying to Deutschlandfunk.

In an interview to be broadcasted later on Sunday Merkel also acknowledged the need to get Syrian President Bashar Assad into the peace process.

"To get to a political solution, I need both the representatives of the Syrian opposition and those who are currently ruling in Damascus and others as well to get real successes, and then, above all, the allies of the respective groups,” Merkel said, stressing that both Russia and the US, Saudi Arabia, Iran, together with Germany, France and Britain could play an important role in the process as well.

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08:56 GMT

Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said he did not object to the airstrikes the Russian Air Force is carrying out against Islamic State’s installations in Iraq as long as Moscow gets approval from the Iraqi government, Al Jazeera reports. The PM stressed that eliminating Islamic State and other terrorists in Syria is a priority, adding that a political solution for the Syrian crisis must be sought.

Al-Abadi said that counter-terrorism coordination and exchange of security and intelligence data between Iraq, Russia, Syria, and Iran benefits all four countries. All powers fighting terrorism are welcome, he added.

08:26 GMT

The aerial operations of the Russian military forces in Syria against Islamic State will “curtail the spread of terrorism” and deliver a “fatal blow to ISIS” in the war-torn country, Egypt's Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry said as cited by Al Arabiya.

Russia's entrance, given its potential and capabilities, is something we see is going to have an effect on limiting terrorism in Syria and eradicating it," Sameh Shoukry said in a televised interview on Saturday.[/quote]

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Oct 2015 15:26

From the latest comment posted above

US, France, Britain , Saudi Strongly Opposes Air Strikes

Germany Merkel is neither opposing Russia in Strike but looks for diplomatic solution including Assad

Iraq , Iran , Syria and surprise factor Egypt Support Russia in Air Strikes

Iraq goes one more step says OK for Russia to strike in Iraq as long as it has Iraqs Approval

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Oct 2015 10:09

houthis have been ousted from a section of the red sea coast they occupied in the south few months ago. the terrain is open and the kabilas have more vehicles, armour and air support.

seems the saudis have sent recruiters to the horn of africa to round up sudanese and somali militias to fighter under the coalition.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 05 Oct 2015 11:54

Turkey says Russian warplane violated its airspace

ISTANBUL: A Russian warplane violated Turkish airspace near the Syrian border Saturday, prompting the Air Force to scramble two F-16 jets to intercept it, the Foreign Ministry said Monday.

The Foreign Ministry summoned Moscow's ambassador to protest the violation, according to an e-mailed statement. Turkey urged Russia to avoid repeating such a violation, or it would be held "responsible for any undesired incident that may occur."

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 05 Oct 2015 13:53

ISIS destroys Arch of Triumph in Syria's Palmyra ruins , UNESCO calls destruction 'war crime'

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/05/middl ... index.html

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 05 Oct 2015 14:18

kmkraoind wrote:Turkey says Russian warplane violated its airspace

ISTANBUL: A Russian warplane violated Turkish airspace near the Syrian border Saturday, prompting the Air Force to scramble two F-16 jets to intercept it, the Foreign Ministry said Monday.

The Foreign Ministry summoned Moscow's ambassador to protest the violation, according to an e-mailed statement. Turkey urged Russia to avoid repeating such a violation, or it would be held "responsible for any undesired incident that may occur."

IF they are bombing near the Syrian-Turkish border then there is chance the fast jet would end up at some point spending couple of seconds or minutes in Turkish airspace , thats the nature of game.

But since Turkey is opposed to Russian Air Campaign they would make a huge fuss about it.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Oct 2015 15:16

houthis sneak up and take out 3 bradleys
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8ab_1442776323

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 05 Oct 2015 15:34

Russia provided Turkey explanations on the incident with the plane of the Russian Federation

http://ria.ru/world/20151005/1297064309.html

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 06 Oct 2015 03:20

Too many threads and too much cross-posting between them; why not just have a thread called "Middle East News and Discussions" and just put everything there?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 06 Oct 2015 06:34

I have capitalized YEMEN and SYRIA. people should be able to read two words and move between two threads. such agility is the least expected of members.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 06 Oct 2015 06:48

Yes, but won't it confuse the Indian Navy targeting crew?

(JUST KIDDING!!!)

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 06 Oct 2015 10:03

Singha wrote:I have capitalized YEMEN and SYRIA. people should be able to read two words and move between two threads. such agility is the least expected of members.

I think the problem is they're too interlinked; people keep posting Yemen stuff in the Levant thread and Syria stuff in the West Asia thread. Probably because a lot of the Yemen news has direct bearing on the Syria situation, and vice versa. It's turned both threads into kind of a mess, really.

We should just have a single Middle East thread and be done with it.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 06 Oct 2015 18:57

chatter on themess forums:

...and notable is that neither Saudis, nor Emiratis, Bahrainis, Kuwaitis, or Qataris did anything to curb the spread of al-Qaida in eastern Yemen.

They not only never flew a single air strike: a delegation of one of major local councils that visited Riyad about a month ago, was advised 'to shut up to cooperate'.

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 06 Oct 2015 20:39

15 GCC "brave soldiers" halaled by Hautis

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/yemen/4-u ... -1.1596195

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Oct 2015 11:59

n 2011, The New York Times reported that the crown prince of Abu Dhabi had awarded a contract to the billionaire founder of the infamous Blackwater Worldwide (now known as Academi) to assemble an 800-member battalion primarily consisting of Colombians and South Africans, “intended to conduct special operations missions inside and outside the country, and put down internal revolts.” Quoting former employees, the paper further reported that “Emirati officials talked of using them for a possible maritime and air assault to reclaim a chain of islands in the Persian Gulf that are the subject of a dispute between Iran and the UAE.” One year later, in 2012, there were reports that 842 Colombians had indeed been hired and that the UAE sought a total of 3,000 Colombian troops. Of note, the South Americans were reportedly no longer brought in through Blackwater's founder, but hadcontracts directly “with the UAE government.”
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origina ... z3noUhZ6tH

read it all, somalia, sudan...everyone is being recruited

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 07 Oct 2015 12:23

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 83741.html

United Arab Emirates: Revealing the dark face of the Gulf state where human rights abuses are a daily occurrance
Behind the glittering facade, arrests, imprisonments and torture go largely unchallenged by countries keen to secure business deals. Now an award-winning activist says Britain must take a stand. Bill Law lifts the veil on life in the UAE

Bill Law
Tuesday 6 October 2015

Faulty towers: Dubai is home to big business, luxury tourism and wealth but as in the rest of the UAE, its citizens are prevented from speaking out and risk jail if they do AP

The world’s image of the United Arab Emirates is one of gleaming skyscrapers, five- star hotels, luxury shopping malls and indoor ski resorts, a place where the impossible becomes possible. It is a country that welcomes tourism and international business. Compared with neighbouring Saudi Arabia, with its strict adherence to a puritanical brand of Islam, it appears an oasis of openness and tolerance.

But Ahmed Mansoor has seen another, darker face of the UAE. “The authorities want to silence all criticism,” he said. “They arrest people in the middle of the night, hold them in unknown places sometimes for months at a time, use physical and psychological torture to extract confessions and then have what international organisations and the UN have called sham trials where they are sentenced to long jail terms.”

On Tuesday night, the 46-year-old activist was awarded the Martin Ennals Award for Human Rights Defenders for his struggle to draw attention to abuses in the Gulf state. He was prevented from attending the ceremony in Geneva because of a travel ban imposed by the UAE authorities.

Ahmed Mansoor, although freed and pardoned, is barred from working in the UAE

“If people think of the UAE and other states in the Gulf at all, they don’t think about human rights,” he told The Independent from Dubai. “They think about oil, or wealth or the world’s tallest building; they think that the UAE is an open society. This award will shed light on the daily human rights abuses that go on here and in these other wealthy countries.”
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Defence contracts on the agenda as Prime Minister arrives in UAE

Mr Mansoor, an affable and candid voice in a region where dissent has been ruthlessly suppressed, knows first hand the heavy price activists pay. The UAE’s nine million residents are governed by a federal council made up of hereditary rulers of its seven emirates, which include Abu Dhabi and Dubai. The only elections, involving a selected few citizens, are to half of the posts on an advisory council.

In early 2011, after he signed a petition calling for democratic and economic reforms, Mr Mansoor was subjected to what he called “an online smear campaign” orchestrated by the state security apparatus. “Twitter, Facebook, text messages, television and radio spread false information about me to create an environment of hatred,” he said. That included many death threats.

Builders at work on a construction site in Dubai (AP)

In April that year he was arrested, jailed for nearly eight months and then convicted of “insulting the rulers” in a trial widely held to be grossly unfair. On 27 November 2011 he was sentenced to three years; but the next day, thanks largely to an international outcry, he and four others sentenced with him were pardoned and freed.

There is a very systematic process to crush free speech and freedom of assembly

Activist, Ahmed Mansoor

“In those days the authorities responded to international criticism. Nowadays they have tough skin and they do not respond,” he said with a wry laugh. By the time he was freed, he had lost his job as a senior engineer in a telecommunications firm. The government has refused to issue him a “Certificate of Good Conduct”, without which he cannot work in the private or public sectors. His passport has been confiscated.

Mr Mansoor said he hopes the award will draw attention to the hundreds jailed in the UAE for what he says is nothing more than speaking their minds and having opinions.

Among them is Mohammed Roken, the lawyer who represented him in 2011. “He is one of the best lawyers in the UAE but my trial was never a legal trial and the best lawyer in the world could not have won an acquittal,” Mr Mansoor said. Mr Roken was among 69 Emiratis convicted of sedition in 2013, and sentenced to 10 years, in a trial Amnesty International called “neither fair nor independent”.

Mr Mansoor says the situation has deteriorated. “There is a very systematic process to crush free speech and freedom of assembly.” He said the UK had shown itself to be “very complicit” by not strongly challenging the UAE on human rights. “My hope would be that the UK Government is more active in calling for the same rights their citizens enjoy, and that it does not abandon human rights for business deals.”

Extremism grows when hope for peaceful change evaporates, he said. “The root cause of so much of the violence in the region is despair. Human rights are being violated on a daily basis and nobody in the outside world seems to care.”

Asked why he continues to speak when so many are either in prison or silenced by harassment and threats of retaliation, he replied: “The only way to counter repression is by revealing it. And yes, there is always that possibility that I will go back to jail. But if [activists] do not talk, who will?”

srin · Post by **srin** » 07 Oct 2015 17:47

https://www.rt.com/news/317864-russian- ... mpaign=RSS

“Four missile ships launched 26 cruise missiles at 11 targets. According to objective control data, all the targets were destroyed. No civilian objects sustained damage,” Shoigu said.

The missiles flew some 1,500 km before reaching their targets, probing their efficiency.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Oct 2015 18:39

See video in Syria thread

srin · Post by **srin** » 07 Oct 2015 18:52

Sorry saar, was looking at wrong thread.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 08 Oct 2015 06:19

Don't know if this the same shaheed-doom as posted earlier:

Vacuum burst at hotel

Bhurishrava · Post by **Bhurishrava** » 08 Oct 2015 14:00

http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 399_1.html

Another attack on a wedding party in Yemen. 26 dead.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Oct 2015 15:17

the Sniper or whatever pods on the F-15S are capable of good discrimination from even 40,000ft. the climate is clear and dry.

these wedding attacks have to be deliberate to terrorize and punish the civilians.

wig · Post by **wig** » 09 Oct 2015 00:04

Russian Missiles Aimed at Syria Crashed in Iran, U.S. Officials Say

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/world ... s-say.html?
excerpts

Cruise missiles fired by Russia from warships in the Caspian Sea at targets in Syria crashed in a rural area of Iran, senior United States officials said on Thursday.

It was unclear exactly where in Iran the missiles had landed, or whether there were any casualties. The officials said the flight path of the Russian cruise missiles would have taken them across northern sections of Iran and Iraq on the way to Syria. But not all of them made it there, one official said.

The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss military intelligence.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 09 Oct 2015 09:00

Indian Help's Arm Chopped Off Allegedly By Saudi Employer

Chennai: A 58-year-old Indian woman's right arm was chopped off by her employer in Saudi Arabia after she tried to escape, her family has alleged.

The incident reportedly happened on the night of September 29 when Kashturi Munirathinam, working as a domestic help, tried to escape from her employer's house. Her family in Tamil Nadu has alleged that she was being tortured by her employer.

"Kashturi's employer was angered after she apprised local officials about the harassment she was facing there, she was not even provided food," S Vijayakumari, sister of Ms Munirathinam, told news agency PTI.

"When she tried to escape the harassment and torture, her right hand was chopped off by the woman employer. She fell down and sustained serious spinal injuries," Ms Vijayakumari said.

"She has now been hospitalised in Riyadh and is in a serious condition," she said, appealing the government to bring her sister back home "immediately and help in her treatment".

Ms Munirathinam's family claims they got to know about the incident "through agents who sent her to Saudi Arabia". They also claim to have a video message recorded with a mobile phone.

The government has condemned the incident and has demanded "severe punishment" for the accused.

"This is unacceptable. We have taken this up with Saudi authorities. Our embassy is in touch with the victim," External Affairs Ministry Sushma Swaraj said.

habal · Post by **habal** » 09 Oct 2015 10:39

ATTN:

SAUDI ARABIAN WARSHIP DESTROYED BY REBEL MISSILES SUPPLIED BY IRAN OFF YEMEN

Yemeni army soldiers backed by allied popular committees loyal to Ansarullah fighters have launched a missile attack against a Saudi warship and managed to destroy it.

The warship was wrecked off the southwestern coast of Yemen on Wednesday, in the Bab al-Mandab Strait, which connects the Red Sea to the Gulf of Aden, Yemen's Saba news agency reported, adding that other Saudi battleships fled the area following the attack.

According to the report, the sunken ship had repeatedly fired rockets on residential areas in the southwestern province of Ta'izz, inflicting casualties and destruction there.

source: PRESSTV.IR

member_23370 · Post by **member_23370** » 09 Oct 2015 10:43

Maybe IN should test some Brahmos on Saudi ships and cities or oil fields.

kit · Post by **kit** » 09 Oct 2015 10:48

Wow ! .. now things are hotting up ..brahmos would be overkill .. those ships would be swatted like flies with a sledge hammer

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Oct 2015 10:56

before the Emiratis/Saudis launched a big invasion of Aden, their warships and even allegedly one Paki warship were shelling Aden to protect the two enclaves near the dock which were held by regime forces and later used as beacheads.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Oct 2015 12:05

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Oct 2015 12:07

the part which the houthis have is the mountainous part of yemen, their traditional land.
reports say the emiratis, bahrainis and qataris with their african kabila militias and levies are making a strong effort to capture the Bab-el-Mandeb the gateway to the red sea

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Oct 2015 12:10

a 2nd overlay is the Al Qaeda presence which is said to be strong in the eastern provinces with saudi blessings.

they took a dual suicide attack recently - one mosque in Sanaa(shia) and one mosque in Aden(sunni) to prove their reach and teeth.

so all the drone strikes that US had been doing from Djibouti into yemen and around the Horn are of no effect and AQ is right back in the winning team with saudi blessings and have run of the place.

Bhurishrava · Post by **Bhurishrava** » 09 Oct 2015 13:02

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/yemen/hou ... -1.1597599

Houthis agree to stop fighting after battles showed their 'coming defeat'

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 09 Oct 2015 23:08

Saudi Money Diplomacy Shifts Into High Gear In Washington D.C.
Saudi Arabia Continues Hiring Spree of American Lobbyists, Public Relations Experts

Saudi Arabia is in the market for a better reputation in Washington, D.C.

In September alone, foreign lobbying disclosure documents show the Saudi government signing deals with PR powerhouse Edelman and lobbying leviathan the Podesta Group, according to recent disclosures.

Edelman, the largest privately owned public relations agency in the world, is known for helping clients win favorable media coverage on mainstream outlets. The Podesta Group is a lobbying firm founded by Tony Podesta, a major fundraiser for the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign.

The new signings are the latest in a year-long hiring spree by the Persian Gulf state as it further builds up its already formidable political arsenal inside the Beltway. The Saudi Arabian Royal Embassy did not respond to a request for comment.

No amount of "public relationing"/ and/or "advertising" or other gimmicks can fix a "bad" product (i.e. the Saudi Government )

In March, the Saudi Royal Embassy retained two influential lobbying firms, DLA Piper and Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman. DLA Piper, for instance, employs a small army of former government officials, including retired U.S. Sens. Saxby Chambliss and George Mitchell. Also in March, the embassy retained two firms that specialize in analyzing big data for political clients, Targeted Victory and Zignal Labs.

Saudi Arabia’s political operation already includes former Sen. Norm Coleman, R-Minn., who chairs one of the largest Republican Super PACs in the country, as well as the public relations firm MSLGROUP/Qorvis, and Saudi Aramco, the state-owned oil company that funds several influential American political groups, including the American Petroleum Institute. Aramco’s U.S. subsidiary, Saudi Refining, is a registered agent of the Saudi government. The government also finances a number of think tanks and universities, and has made contributions to prominent American nonprofits, including the Clinton Foundation.

Saudi and other foreign money is always welcomed- no questions asked - in this lobbying capital of the world

“It is our company policy not to comment further on our work for clients beyond what is required by law and to direct reporters and other interested parties to our clients for any additional information,” said Missi Tessier, a spokesperson for the Podesta Group, when reached for more information about the relationship.

We will gladly take your money but dont expect "miracles" from us

The Saudi regime is currently facing yet another public relations crisis as the Kingdom moves to execute Ali Mohammed al-Nimr, the young son of a government critic.

Was not this country "elected" to a United Nations Human Rights Council a few weeks ago ?

The nation also faces international outcry over the widespread killing of civilians in Yemen. Since March, Saudi Arabia has led a coalition that includes the U.S., U.K., Egypt and several Persian Gulf nations to support the Yemeni government in its war against the Houthi rebels. The Saudi-led coalition has repeatedly attacked schools, hospitals, and other civilian targets, including recent reports of a wedding party that was bombed, killing over 100 people.

Not to mention the recent Hajj stampede, which was caused, as some believe, due to Saudi negligence; has that tragedy also been assigned to a D.C. P.R. Firm to "fix" the problem

Last week, I spoke to a number of lawmakers about Saudi human rights abuses, but found them extremely reluctant to criticize the Kingdom. Disclosures reveal that the lobbying firms that have worked for Saudi Arabia for years communicate frequently with senior members of Congress. Beyond entrenched military and economic ties between Saudi Arabia and the United States, the Kingdom appears to be working to maintain its political clout.

"Communicate frequently" appears to be a "code word" for "moolah" changing hands

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 09 Oct 2015 23:58

Palace Intrigues Start In Saudi Arabia

BREAKING: Power Grab in Riyadh Likely After Saudi King 'Hospitalized for Dementia'

The news of King Salman's hospitalization comes just days after a senior Saudi prince called for regime change in Riyadh

Saudi Arabia, which is currently invading Yemen and funding terrorist groups fighting in Syria, might soon be engulfed in a power struggle of its own:

Informed sources told Arabic-language al-Ahd news agency that King Salman is now in the Intensive Care Unit (ICU) section of King Faisal Specialist Hospital in the Saudi capital.

The sources also said that given the Saudi king's unstable and aggravating health conditions, officials have ceased plans to transfer him to US hospitals.

King Salman, 80, is thought to have Alzheimer’s or dementia and the government is practically administered by his Crown Prince Muhammad bin Nayef.

The news comes just days after a senior Saudi prince called for the king to step down.

A senior Saudi prince has launched an unprecedented call for change in the country’s leadership, as it faces its biggest challenge in years in the form of war, plummeting oil prices and criticism of its management of Mecca, scene of last week’s hajj tragedy.
The prince, one of the grandsons of the state’s founder, Abdulaziz Ibn Saud, has told the Guardian that there is disquiet among the royal family – and among the wider public – at the leadership of King Salman, who acceded the throne in January.
The prince, who is not named for security reasons, wrote two letters earlier this month calling for the king to be removed.

Palace intrigues and secrecy are the hallmark of the Royal Saudi Court

An internal power struggle in Saudi Arabia could have very serious consequences for the U.S., which relies heavily on the Saudis to do its “dirty work” in the Middle East. But then again, there's always Qatar.

An "alliance" with "Al-Jazeera-Qatar" will not go well in US liberal circles

The "source" of the report should also be considered in considering the veracity of the same

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 10 Oct 2015 23:37

India moves to stop flow of housemaids to Saudi Arabia
Sorry to say, but most of the maids have become "cannon fodder" for the unprincipled guardians of the two holy places""

After an Indian domestic worker's hand was chopped by her Saudi employee and sex slavery, MEA looks for other options.
Alarmed by frequent allegations of sex slavery, arm-chopping and sadistic domestic torture of housemaids in Saudi Arabia, India is considering a total ban on recruitment of housemaids by that country.

Let them fulfill their "domestic requirements" from the Ummah Nations!

This follows the chopping of a domestic worker’s hand by her Saudi employer which India has described as “unacceptable.” External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj has also ordered the MEA to pursue the matter with the Saudi Foreign Ministry in Riyadh.

According to an MEA statement, the Indian Embassy in Riyadh has asked for ‘severe punishment’ for the employer who amputated Kasthuri Munirathinam of Vellore.
Unlikely to happen
The idea of the ban was discussed by Ms. Swaraj at a meeting of the Parliamentary Consultative Committee of the Ministry of Overseas Indian Affairs (MOIA) and the Ministry of External Affairs on October 8.

More curiously, the Saudi authorities themselves have communicated to the Indian recruitment agents that they will be issued work visas only if they ensured that 25 per cent of their total recruits are housemaids from India.
Is this condition India/non-Ummah country specific? Citizens of Darul- Islam exempt ?
Ms. Swaraj and the participants at the Consultative Committee meeting also discussed how best to ensure that the ban will not be violated by unscrupulous agents in India. The Saudi avoidance of the Indian rules can be explained by the fact that till date, they have more than 607 foreign employers registered who are freely violating norms of employing housemaids from India due to their government’s non-compliance with the rules laid down by India.

habal · Post by **habal** » 11 Oct 2015 08:42

this is why you need to go to Syria and chop a few ISIS heads. That way Saudi will get the message double quick.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 11 Oct 2015 16:18

Sad to say, but it appears that it is time for GOI to put out a general alert advising all Indian origin ppl to return from KSA and Gelf. Look at the steady rise in energy stocks in recent days.

Ppl can ask :Why Arab Spring? So it drove down energy prices, enough to drive many renewable energy companies to the brink, and force shale/fracking enterprises to look for operating capital, or sell out. Having bought up all these entities, now it is time for the next massive energy price slam to cash in.

Look at the Middle East. Except for KSA and Gelf, EVERY Arab nation and former-nation is in internal turmoil or under massive external invasion. OK, Iran hasn't been invaded or bombed yet, but is fighting massive wars in Iraq and Syria. If u were a massively hate-filled Crusader/ Aryan Nations type (forget Eyeranian aspirations to be recognized as Aryans), would u be unhappy with this state of affairs? Look at the death toll by violence:
Afghanistan: 2 million since 9/2001?
Pakistan: At least 200,000 (mostly in A'Stan, GOAT and later). OK, today Pakistan is one of the most peaceful and secure of all Islamic nations, except for a few drone attacks (usual Honor Killings and genocides against minorities don't count). Think about that.
Tunisia: Seems to have transitioned to whatever, without major genocide.
Algeria: huge internal strife.
Chad: Boko Haram infestation.
Egypt: 3 cycles of upheaval, with the Islamic Bro'hoods encouraged to come out in the open, and then be slammed with treason trials. Military back in charge.
Sudan: Civil war with Islamic North slammed. South Sudan independent Xtian entity.
Somalia: non-state.
Iraq: totally shattered, now under mass rape and enslavement and further bombings/invasions.
Yemen: Famine/invasion.
Syria: Fragmented. Famine/genocide/tortures/bombing/artillery. "Halliburton Reconstruction"
Turkey: Accelerating into chaos.
KSA is actually involved in a direct war. I suspect that it will not be able to get out any time soon, the war will come INTO KSA.
Iran: Once full-fledged war is underway in KSA, Iran is also going to get dragged in and have attacks inside Iran.

All in all, I would say the champagne glasses/Miller mugs are clinking in a number of places that I won't mention.

But the point is: No reason to believe that KSA is immune. Every reason to believe the opposite.

And like I said: Natural gas stocks are rising.... maybe fracking is closing down, maybe supertanker routes are under threat, maybe something else.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 11 Oct 2015 19:45

Saudi king Salman hospitalized. Palace coup suspected
DEBKAfile October 11, 2015, 8:29 AM (IDT)
King Salman Bin Abdelaziz, 79, was confined to the hospital in Riyadh in intensive care and restrained under heavy sedation. Court sources say he was removed after “going crazy” and attempting to injure himself. King Salman, who acceded to the throne ten months ago, was said then to suffer from dementia and erratic behavior. Crown Prince Muhammad bin Nayef has stepped in to administer the kingdom. According to some reports, the king was heavily drugged and removed forcibly to hospital as part of a palace coup to remove him from power.
Interesting times ahead; jockeying for power? by different factions? will Massa's favourite come out ahead?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 11 Oct 2015 23:18

Falijee wrote:[url=http://www.debka.com/newsupdate/13073/S ... -suspected]Saudi king Salman hospitalized. Palace coup suspected
DEBKAfile October 11, 2015, 8:29 AM (IDT)King Salman Bin Abdelaziz, 79, was confined to the hospital in Riyadh in intensive care and restrained under heavy sedation. Court sources say he was removed after “going crazy” and attempting to injure himself. Crown Prince Muhammad bin Nayef has stepped in to administer the kingdom.

This below wa posted on 29sep . Last week Foreign Police etc started promoting Prince Nayaf as crusader against terrorism that he has neutralised 45+ terrorist cells.Basically present King played the similar sedation game with old King who wanted one of his sons to become King before made "unconscious" few hours before signing the declaration.

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Saudi royal calls for regime change in Riyadh
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/s ... ing-salman
( This is the old family feud: Now one party want WEST to take side)

A senior Saudi prince has launched an unprecedented call for change in the country’s leadership, as it faces its biggest challenge in years in the form of war, plummeting oil prices and criticism of its management of Mecca, scene of last week’s hajj tragedy.The prince, one of the grandsons of the state’s founder, Abdulaziz Ibn Saud, has told the Guardian that there is disquiet among the royal family – and among the wider public – at the leadership of King Salman, who acceded the throne in January.The prince, who is not named for security reasons, wrote two letters earlier this month calling for the king to be removed.“The king is not in a stable condition and in reality the son of the king [Mohammed bin Salman] is ruling the kingdom,” the prince said. “So four or possibly five of my uncles will meet soon to discuss the letters. They are making a plan with a lot of nephews and that will open the door. A lot of the second generation is very anxious.”“The public are also pushing this very hard, all kinds of people, tribal leaders,” the prince added. “They say you have to do this or the country will go to disaster.”