Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05, 2015

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 13 Oct 2015 10:39

Having said that, this Sudheendhra Kulkarni is an ass who thinks by trying to be "all things to all people" - he can get some sort of leverage within the mainstream discourse, such as it is. He just ends up looking like the fool he actually is, without much in the way of courage. He can sit next to that ISI mouthpiece Kasuri and speak as if he is the injured party, but as GD Bakshi says he is nothing more than a credulous jackass trying to get some cheap publicity out of someone else's money making racket. But these people should be torn apart in the media, called out for their hypocrisy and slammed for it at every opportunity.

NDTV has now got Salman Rushdie to come out in favour of the Sahitya rent-an-intellectual Academy jokers who returned their awards. I wonder what that means in practical terms. "Returning" their awards I mean.

And worse, VT, it is going to be presented as if it is entirely the Sahitya Akademy jokers who crowd-funded the treatment and delivered everything to the girl's door with Barkha interviewing the father from the east lawn of the White House this time.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 13 Oct 2015 10:47

I have , what I think is a naive , question : When any of these paki ex official cretins come for all sorts of money making jaunts to India , is it legally plausible for an Indian citizen to make a citizens arrest of the aforementioned cretin ?

I am assuming the current official cretin of certain stature would have immunity , I doubt the same is applicable to the ex cretin.

If nothing else this could be a good way to make the mood of the people obvious and put the Track PooP organizers in a twist.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 13 Oct 2015 10:49

vayu tuvan wrote:That is not going to as much press as the SKukarni's face blackening. Unfortunate to say the least.

Exactly. The media could have easily done the reverse. Just goes to show that media shapes the perception. So, regardless of what anyone will do, media will take the line it wants. So, there is no way to win the propaganda war as long as media is tilted in favour of the other side.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 13 Oct 2015 11:43

shiv wrote:.........
Just look at this image. This image will be remembered forever. Look at it and think: "What does this image tell me?' and post

As for me - it makes me laugh. It looks so goddam ridiculous. Kulkarni does not have the wile of a street criminal. He should have immediately howled and writhed in pain and instantly gone to hospital complaining of inability to see or breathe. That way the attackers would have been accused of harming him and his missing the event would have made a much better picture than this ludicrous image. By trying to be brave he has managed to put an ugly face on the event. Shiv Sena 0. Kulkarni -1...

If this is an OT discussion, perhaps we can take it elsewhere. Shivji, I'd like toa dd that that picture's final interpretation is still open to question. Some of us laugh at it, with good reason. Others- outside of BR - will prefer to interpret it as representing 'dignity in fight against fascism/fundamentalism/whatthef*ckism onlee'.

The fight to frame a final interpretation, gratuitous alliteration aside, is still on and more important than it sounds. Perhaps our twitterati should flood the interwebs with appropriate memes.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 13 Oct 2015 11:56

Avinash R wrote:Indians crowdfund Pakistani girl's medical treatment

As much as I will come across like a heartless bugger after saying this but this is idiotic. Why do Indians pour their heart out when it comes to Pakistanis? But if a Bihari or UP kid was suffering from the same disease, the same crowd would have held their noses in contempt & walked off. What is it with helping Pakistan & Pakistanis that gives Indians such moral orgasms?

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 13 Oct 2015 12:05

^ it would be interesting to know who these Indians were that contributed. That should tell us something.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 13 Oct 2015 12:10

JE Menon wrote:Having said that, this Sudheendhra Kulkarni is an ass who thinks by trying to be "all things to all people" - he can get some sort of leverage within the mainstream discourse, such as it is. He just ends up looking like the fool he actually is, without much in the way of courage. He can sit next to that ISI mouthpiece Kasuri and speak as if he is the injured party, but as GD Bakshi says he is nothing more than a credulous jackass trying to get some cheap publicity out of someone else's money making racket. But these people should be torn apart in the media, called out for their hypocrisy and slammed for it at every opportunity.

NDTV has now got Salman Rushdie to come out in favour of the Sahitya rent-an-intellectual Academy jokers who returned their awards. I wonder what that means in practical terms. "Returning" their awards I mean.

And worse, VT, it is going to be presented as if it is entirely the Sahitya Akademy jokers who crowd-funded the treatment and delivered everything to the girl's door with Barkha interviewing the father from the east lawn of the White House this time.

the way these two bit litterateurs are signing in, there is a concerted effort to malign the GOI, primarily Modi. They have not been able to make the tenuous link from dadri to Modi though every "litterateur" is mechanically mouthing the central politburo mandated lines and literally singing for their supper.

need to scan twitter and other social networking sites to maybe see who is so hell bent on orchestrating this calumnious enterprize

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 13 Oct 2015 12:14

Baikul wrote:^ it would be interesting to know who these Indians were that contributed. That should tell us something.

In bombay there are actually many many thousands who also contribute daily for the assistance of Indian children without any fanfare at all.

There is an organised and longstanding social effort in the great "heartless" city of mumbai, unknown to many

VKumar · Post by **VKumar** » 13 Oct 2015 12:32

Hindustan Times, Mumbai, Saturday, October 10, page 12, has an article Let's study the COAS and effect.

"General Raheel Sharif's omnipotence in Pakistan has increased as a result of his success in arresting the tide against armed Islamists there"

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 13 Oct 2015 12:34

Anujan wrote:^^^
Agreed to all above, but look how it has played out. An indian crowd has smeared an Indian with ink.

All the talk is now going to be "Are some Indians supporting Pakistan?", "Are some Indians intolerant to dissent or opposing views on how we deal with Pakistan?" etc etc

I want a media debate on "Why do Pakistanis attack Mumbai while in Service, but see India as a market for their songs, books, TV appearances and lecture circuit when they want to earn money", "Why are Pakis apologists for terror"

I would want to see a headline like Sudheendra Kulkarni & Co. now jumping on the wagon of milking Pakistani terror on Indians through sale of books, on making Pakistani terror respectable.

VKumar · Post by **VKumar** » 13 Oct 2015 12:39

Hindustan Times, Mumbai, October 08, page 10, has a war scenario with nuke exchange.

A War Scenario to think about

" the next Pakistan sponsored major terrorist strike could lead to conventional conflict along with risk of nuclear exchanges", write Gurmeet Kanwal, former director, Centre for land warfare studies, New Delhi

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 13 Oct 2015 14:21

>>So, there is no way to win the propaganda war as long as media is tilted in favour of the other side.

This is not accurate. We are the media, much more powerful than the twats who pass for journalists (for a large part) in our discussion space. Everybody needs to write and put their views out there cogently and in an articulate fashion.

Social media is only helpful if it is not the verbal equivalent of pouring paint over an idiot; he may be an idiot, but everybody identifies with being in the position of the helpless individual against the mob. And that is the problem. Do not let people like Kulkarni to get away with that. He is the aggressor in this, he is the insensitive person who is inviting people who participated in marginalising the deaths of hundreds of Indians through terrorist actions and then inviting him here to sell his book to make money. He is the shameless self-publicist. It does not look that way now, and will not look that way until sane people start talking the other side - in a sane way. Why didn't he go publicise it in Pakistan? Why didn't Manmohan Singh and Advani go to Pakistan and publicise it? Why in Mumbai, where so many people were killed by the same damned government this guy was working for?

jash_p · Post by **jash_p** » 13 Oct 2015 15:52

Indians crowdfund Pakistani girl's medical treatment

I have question to those WKK type Bleeding heart NGOs, I have no problem of helping poor but there are millions of Sabas in India and why they are not helping them and have soft heart for Paki girl? Getting money from Indians so please help Indian first and then for others. We should not donate to theses type of NGOs who are crave for publicity over Indian lives.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Oct 2015 16:09

Back to regular programming please, all of us.

The SK issue was a diversion.

Nawaz to take up issue of stalled Indo-Pak dialogue with Obama: Sartaj Aziz‏ - Dawn

Adviser to the Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs and National Security Sartaj Aziz on Monday said Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif would discuss the stalled dialogue between Pakistan and India with United States President Barack Obama during their upcoming meeting on October 22 at the White House.

"A number of other issues would also be discussed between the US President and PM Nawaz Sharif," Sartaj Aziz said while speaking to media.

The adviser said that Indian state institutions, including the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), are involved in terrorist activities in Pakistan.

Sartaj added that there would be no compromise on Pakistan's foreign policy, adding that rising tensions between Pakistan and India are "hazardous to world peace."

He went on to say that the dossier alleging Indian involvement in subversive activities in Pakistan, which was given to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon last month, would also be shared with other friendly countries.

The adviser, however, rejected Indian allegations about Pakistan's support to non-state actors operating in India.

Aziz reminded media personnel that the world knows that Pakistan's nuclear program is for peaceful purposes only.

Speaking about the resumption of talks between the Afghan Taliban and the Afghan government, Aziz said that while it depends upon the Afghan leadership, Pakistan is ready to facilitate this process.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 13 Oct 2015 16:14

Hajam Sethi Now Invites Indian Cricket Players To Partake In Paki "Super League"
Indian players to be invited to participate in Pakistan Super League, says Najam Sethi

LAHORE (Staff Report) – Top Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) official Najam Sethi has revealed that preliminary discussions have been held about inviting India’s leading cricketers to participate in the first edition of Pakistan Super League (PSL).

The first edition of the Pakistani T20 league is scheduled to be played in the United Arab Emirates in February 2016.

In an interview Sethi went on to say that presence of Indian players like MS Dhoni and Virat Kholi will make PSL the second biggest cricket event after Indian Premier League (IPL).

We are going to make an offer to Indian cricket board saying that its okay if you don’t want our players to participate in you T20 league, but at least allow your stars to take part in Pakistan Super League, he said.

He further added that PCB is also going to hold final talks about scheduled series with India. If this series takes place, we will be looking forward to discuss other matters like allowing Pakistani players to participate in IPL and Indian players being allowed to play Pakistani T20 league, he said.

However Najam Sethi clearly stated that all of this, including participation of Indian players in PSL, truly depends on Indian cricket board and the policies of Indian government.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Oct 2015 16:16

jash_p wrote:
Indians crowdfund Pakistani girl's medical treatment

I have question to those WKK type Bleeding heart NGOs, I have no problem of helping poor but there are millions of Sabas in India and why they are not helping them and have soft heart for Paki girl? Getting money from Indians so please help Indian first and then for others. We should not donate to theses type of NGOs who are crave for publicity over Indian lives.

They are helping a lot of Indians, too. Look it up.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Oct 2015 16:19

JE Menon wrote:
NDTV has now got Salman Rushdie to come out in favour of the Sahitya rent-an-intellectual Academy jokers who returned their awards. I wonder what that means in practical terms. "Returning" their awards...

It is a form of protest that plays better than inking someone's face.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 13 Oct 2015 16:33

I think this whole 'that kind of protest is right' is just wrong. Media will give it the spin that it wants. That's all. This time, finally, left-lib is openly siding with pak. Very exposing. Shiv sena is small fry. This is actually exposing the left-lib sympathies with pak despite Pak's continous terrorism as recently as Gurdaspur.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 13 Oct 2015 16:43

I have been thinking that as long as India allows Pakistanis to come into India, Pakistanis would always be able to find some Aman ki Asha types, or some Adarsh Liberal or Secular to sponsor them.

Also the Adarsh Liberals would always be able to find some Shiv Sena or Ram Sene types who would be willing to do some match-fixing with them and put up some antic or another like ink throwing which creates enough publicity for the event as well as allows the secular media to paint Hindus in the worst light as demagogues.

So the only way out for Indian Govt. is to really ban Paki artists and writers from entering India, or at least make Maharashtra a no-go area for them.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 13 Oct 2015 16:55

1) SK is the head or holds important post with ORF an reliance company group.(this company holds many news outlets In India).(per teetar)
Reliance is at loggerheads with NaMo as he does not hold any 1-1 meeting with reliance heads. NaMo has sort of created a level playing field amongst Indian industrialists which has led to loss of clout of reliance with the ruling NDA.

now many of news outlets are atw ar with NaMo- nothing new with #presstitutes but have money hence will not worry to chnage their views and lies.

2) SK is a member of kasuri ngo in islambad regional pece intiative. he is also a good friend of kasuri.

kasuri book to be success has to sell well only in India nowhere else. not in pakistan or elsewhere.

just connecting the dots.

may be as simple as friendship a wkk type pulling in some influence to help kasuri or may be something different.

Abhay_S · Post by **Abhay_S** » 13 Oct 2015 17:03

Falijee wrote:Hajam Sethi Now Invites Indian Cricket Players To Partake In Paki "Super League"
Indian players to be invited to participate in Pakistan Super League, says Najam Sethi

Ohh.. The Large Hearts of Pakistan. lets see how many of our cricketers are Aman Ki Ashaa types.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Oct 2015 17:06

^^^ IMO, we now need a good takedown of Kasuri's book, in English and in Hindi, and so on.

If even the current GOI cannot keep WKKs hobnobbing with Pakistanis, then each of these occasions should be used as an opportunity to spread the BRF-type point of view (i.e., make the best of a unpleasant circumstance).

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 13 Oct 2015 17:36

A_Gupta wrote:
JE Menon wrote:
NDTV has now got Salman Rushdie to come out in favour of the Sahitya rent-an-intellectual Academy jokers who returned their awards. I wonder what that means in practical terms. "Returning" their awards...
It is a form of protest that plays better than inking someone's face.

Not sure is this is the right thread to discuss this, but "returning awards" hurts no one and is heard by no one in this country. It is symbolic and useless and as someone Tweeted it is an insult to the jury that selected them.

Tarring Kulkarni's face cannot be defended as a just act, but my sense is that "blackening someone's face" is considered as something designed to shame a person. There is a Kannada expression that specifically mentions an insult as having blackened someone's face. Dozens of lorries carry the following message on the back "boori nazar waala tera mooh kaala". Technically a person whose face is literally blackened is supposed to be shamed and avoid being seen, Showing ones face and speaking boldly is not an act of courage - but one of arrogance, lack of shame or repentance and insulting to the eyes of the onlooker. Propriety demands a degree of dignity and at least a pretence of appearing clean and neat at such a function. There is no such thing as "freedom of expression" in which one can appear like a ghost or an unwashed drain cleaner at a formal function and be excused.

I suspect that in India that photo will not be seen as a brave act giving publicity to a book. It looks like a person without shame showing his face and pretending that all is well when all is not well. Of course that photo will live on in the west and in westernized media as an act of defiance in support of freedom of expression and against fundamentalist Hindus. But in general in Indian culture it is an insult to appear in public in that way. It is an insult to the people who have come, an insult to a person who is being introduced and a perfectly inauspicious and bad way to begin something that was designed as a positive event.

No matter which way anyone spins this - the effect of this act is mixed. It is definitely not totally positive for Kasuri and Kulkarni and not totally negative for the Shiv Sena.

Just my view and yes this is a prediction and I am open to be caught out as being wrong, if it turns out that I am wrong

Abhay_S · Post by **Abhay_S** » 13 Oct 2015 18:34

Falijee wrote:Hajam Sethi Now Invites Indian Cricket Players To Partake In Paki "Super League"

What he is not saying is how indian players will bring in advertising/TV revenue. they Hate The Kafir but love the Kafir's Money.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 13 Oct 2015 19:23

A normal, formal function would be unspeakably sullied if someone appeared on stage like this. Any child would be scared looking at such a face. Kulkarni would have been better off going straight to the police station and hospital and sending a substitute. These images draw attention to what looks like a corpse, or a living ghost. Not the book or Kasuri. Good.

A few years from now anyone who looks at the image will be horrified by the face and not recall or know the fine details.

saip · Post by **saip** » 13 Oct 2015 19:27

This may be OT, but returning just the physical medal will not result in their names being stricken off the list of awardees. So what is the purpose?

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 13 Oct 2015 19:45

There is no point discussing the behavior of **Indians** on STFUP thread. Perhaps we need a separate thread to document the Indian response to Pakistani activities. This can cover acts from both the pseudo secular left and the more appropriate responses.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 13 Oct 2015 19:59

Paki National Airline Terminates Two Employees Held In London (Caught Smuggling Mobile Phones)

Another Saga, another headache for the scandal -ridden airline, which sometimes, also doubles as a personal taxi for NS and his extended family

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 13 Oct 2015 20:20

Britain’s first Pakistani-born, Muslim Lord mayor under investigation for 'financial irregularities'

Pakistani born Naveeda Ikram, who holds the distinction of becoming Britain’s first female Muslim Lord Mayor, has been suspended by the Labour Party amid charges of involvement in financial irregularities.

Jo La-whore mae G....du , whoe Bradford mae bhi Ga......!

Labour moved to suspend Ikram from the party until the investigation is concluded. However, Ikram inisists that she is completely innocent, saying that it is “normal procedure” for the party to suspend someone facing an allegation.

A police spokesman has confirmed the receipt of a report alleging financial irregularities against the councilor,...

Ikram says that she has been afflicted by nasty messages online and has and people have been spreading untrue reports with regards to the investigation.

Hope she is not implying that RAA agents are behind the ``smear campaign``

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 13 Oct 2015 20:31

Pakis Go High Tech To Prevent Muharram Mayhem In Krachi

Helicopters, SUPARCO tech to look over Muharram processions

KARACHI:

The law enforcers are afraid of the precarious security situation during Ashura next week and are using all resources at their disposal to avoid any untoward situations.

The Sindh government will be using its helicopters for aerial surveillance of the processions on Muharram 8, 9 and 10. The surveillance system belonging to Pakistan Space and Upper Atmosphere Research Commission (Suparco) will also be used.

High falutin words for an entity, which till date has not been able to produce a domestically manufactured appliance, vehicle or domestic anything !

Shah pointed out that the law enforcers will have to be extra vigilant as Muharram and the local government elections in parts of upper Sindh are taking place simultaneously. “Members of banned outfits are already operating under new names. We have to check them at any cost,” he said.

Altaf Bhai members, this year will be in full swing to make sure that normalcy is not ensured

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 13 Oct 2015 20:31

Chandragupta wrote:
Avinash R wrote:Indians crowdfund Pakistani girl's medical treatment
As much as I will come across like a heartless bugger after saying this but this is idiotic. Why do Indians pour their heart out when it comes to Pakistanis? But if a Bihari or UP kid was suffering from the same disease, the same crowd would have held their noses in contempt & walked off. What is it with helping Pakistan & Pakistanis that gives Indians such moral orgasms?

Yes, and wait till this girl grows up and pops out little Jihadis all thirsting for Hindu blood.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 13 Oct 2015 20:34

Figures Fudged - Part II

After refunds: FBR’s collection figures inflated by Rs16 billion

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 13 Oct 2015 20:41

Avinash R wrote:
Indians crowdfund Pakistani girl's medical treatment

As much as I will come across like a heartless bugger after saying this but this is idiotic. Why do Indians pour their heart out when it comes to Pakistanis? But if a Bihari or UP kid was suffering from the same disease, the same crowd would have held their noses in contempt & walked off. What is it with helping Pakistan & Pakistanis that gives Indians such moral orgasms?

These type of disorders are due to the inbreeding of the Bakis.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 13 Oct 2015 20:42

Pakistan ex-defence minister Ahmed Mukhtar drops political nuke bomb, says Osama bin Laden was their 'guest.' President Zardari, Pak Army Chief General Kayani had knowledge of Osama's location in Abbottabad and were later forced to back the American plan to take out Osama bin Laden.
Nothing new being said here; just another confirmation from one more source, nailing the earlier Paki lies

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 13 Oct 2015 20:52

Central Asian States want linking with CPEC
No details provided by Pak President ; of the cuff remark taken to be gospel truth by Paki press; as usual

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 13 Oct 2015 20:54

The fake outrage only plays with the uber secular elite crowd. Most gen pop will look at that and laugh for the idiot he is

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 13 Oct 2015 20:57

And JEM, why is pie throwing an accepted form of protest (the one with pie face has to ask for no prosecution else he will be further hounded as a boor with no sense of humor), while inking is for uncultured savages.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 13 Oct 2015 20:59

take it to an appropriate thread Gus, I'll respond there.

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 13 Oct 2015 21:16

shiv wrote:A normal, formal function would be unspeakably sullied if someone appeared on stage like this. Any child would be scared looking at such a face. Kulkarni would have been better off going straight to the police station and hospital and sending a substitute. These images draw attention to what looks like a corpse, or a living ghost. Not the book or Kasuri. Good.

A few years from now anyone who looks at the image will be horrified by the face and not recall or know the fine details.

The pic gives a new meaning to TFTA vs SDRE.

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Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 13 Oct 2015 21:37

Kasuri targets Narendra Modi, invokes Vajpayee's peace talks with Pakistan

n Monday morning, Shiv Sena activists attacked and blackened ORF chairman Sudheendra Kulkarni's face for refusing to cancel former Pakistan Minister Khurshid Mahmud Kasuri's book launch in Mumbai....

...Here's what Kasuri said at the event:

-I sent a copy of the book to LK Advani, Manmohan Singh, Natwar Singh, Yashwant Singh, President of India and the VP of India.

The purpose of writing this book is to correct some misconceptions.

-Jawaharlal Nehru and Jinnah had different ideas about the Partition.
-I want to thank the CM of Maharashtra for having provided me excellent protection.

- Here is my suggestion, don't trust United Nations Military Observer Group. There are people of repute in Pakistan and India.

-Ordinary people, soldiers are being killed. Is there a way out? Yes, where there is a will there is a way.

-PM Modi made a promise of development, but we need to have peace. I hope the PM realises that AB Vajpayee's route was the right one.

-I have not mis-stated any facts or incidents (sic).

-In an interview, Kasuri said he was very upset by the attack. "Kulkarni is a gentleman, a scholar and an author. This shouldn't have happened to him. I have known him for 10 years now. He came to Pakistan with LK Advani when I invited him for the inauguration of the Kathasraj temple," he said.

-"Many people including the Chief Minister feel that the former Pakistan foreign minister has come here as a peacenik. We have written a letter to the Chief Minister pointing out the anti-India statements made by Kasuri in the past. It is up to the CM to now decide on whether he should allow the function to take place," Raut further lamented.

-Raut claimed that Kasuri was instrumental in supporting anti-India forces including Kashmiri separatist organisations such as the Hurriyat.

-"We have not withdrawn our agitation. We are firm on our decision and on our stand against Pakistan. We are not doing this for any political benefit. We are a nationalist organisation and we are voicing the sentiment of a large section of this country," Raut further added.

The Paki FM should not have been given a platform, so that he can ``sell some more books` and make more money