The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 16 Oct 2015 17:08

Putin: Russian forces show impressive results in Syria, hundreds of terrorists killed

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 16 Oct 2015 17:15

good luck to amrika trying to enforce licensing regimes in Iraq

its a mad max type scene of modded kit.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 16 Oct 2015 17:47

the net result of putin's intervention may be massive instability in turkey...

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 16 Oct 2015 17:56

https://www.rt.com/news/318843-russia-c ... sis-ships/
General Kartapolov heads Operations in the Russian general staff. He was personally supervising the creation of the so-called coordination center in Baghdad:

The general said US airstrikes actually hurt the Syrian government more than IS, which probably explains why the militants expanded their territory in Syria over the year.

“The US-led coalition is targeting ISIL infrastructure. Bridges, tunnels, power stations, water pumps. This didn't hurt ISIL much, but made life harder for President Assad's troops. In fact they hurt the military capabilities of the Syrian Army,” he said.

“The government forces retreated because their supplies were inadequate, they didn't have enough water, food or heating. ISIL was buying supplies in neighboring countries or were receiving deliveries from certain organizations and nations, which we shall not name. Hence the result.”

Kartapolov said the capabilities of IS should not be underestimated, since they have both skills and equipment to do serious damage on the battlefield.

“ISIL has many former officers of Saddam Hussein's army. They had to retire after the Americans defeated and occupied Iraq. They may be called patriots fighting against this. It was a bad choice to join ISIL, but that's their choice,” he explained. “Those officers have good skills and knowledge, they are able to organize and train people. So certain units there are pretty good.

“Plus, they captured plenty of weapons from the Iraqi Army, which our American partners had supplied. They have Abrams M1 tanks, APCs, artillery and lots of other stuff. Don't imagine that ISIL are a bunch of common bandits, ruffians with rifles and long daggers that known only how to behead people. They know how to do war.”

Nevertheless Russia's involvement in the Syrian conflict has turned the tide and forced IS to change its tactics, Kartapolov said.

“The terrorists are abandoning their positions, retreating and trying to hide in areas with difficult terrain, in caves and mountains. They are also taking cover in mosques and hospitals. We demonstrated footage showing how they do that. They are also trying to mix with civilians,” he said.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 16 Oct 2015 18:22

footage from second chechen war - the russians without any ado pounded every resistance village with all forms of rockets and artillery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-ZmsjgwxEM

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 16 Oct 2015 18:25

chechen jihadi KIA in 2014 by a mortar round fired from aleppo prison they were trying to attack.
these chechens look quite well built and well kitted up, perhaps the best units of the ISIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPoF98blzFo

more footage pre that attack - I think the armoured truck is a huge suicide bomb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcvBp0v9Y2U

camera is a good dslr , so we get a good look into the jihadi team dynamics and movement

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 16 Oct 2015 18:41

watch from 5:39 - a jihadi truck bomber says his final piece to ride out and breach some syrian army defence line
this is their standard tactic to breach gates, earthen berms and walls. in the jail attack video apparently the syrians blew up that truck before it hit their gate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLMuBkD3bp8

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 16 Oct 2015 18:42

UlanBatori wrote:ISIS/NATO hits back: Plane shot down

Turkey downs drone, Russia says all jets back to Latakia base, drones operate as planned

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 16 Oct 2015 18:52

Initial assessment that this conflict will remain limited to the west asia is now suspect and is being spread to CAR states as well. US/West is going big in supporting terrorism around the world.

Putin: 7,000 people from ex-Soviet republics estimated to fight alongside ISIS -Oct 16, 2015

“There are an estimated 5,000 to 7,000 fighters from Russia and other CIS member states fighting for ISIL,” Putin said referring to IS by its former name. “We certainly cannot allow them to use the experience they are getting in Syria on home soil.”

This is the reason for Obama's decision to continue to maintain forces in Afghanistan.

Putin also spoke on the security situation in Afghanistan, saying it is rapidly deteriorating.
“The situation is becoming critical. Terrorists of all flavors are gaining influence there and don't hide their plans to expand,” he said. “One of their targets is Central Asia. We have to be prepared to respond to this contingency.”

Russia may send border guards to Tajikistan to fend off ISIS - Defense Ministry - Oct 15, 2015

“Our political leaders will discuss this problem and make a decision. Everything is possible,” General Yuri Borisov said at a news conference in Kazakhstan’s capital Astana. He was being asked if Russia could give military support to Tajikistan due to the growing terrorist threat in the region. The general did not exclude the Russian military resuming the armed protection of the Tajikistan-Afghanistan border.

Borisov’s comment was made after the meeting between the leaders of Russia and Kazakhstan who, according to Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev, “were very concerned with the situation in Tajikistan.”

Tajikistan is 97% Sunni but as mentioned before people from CAR states generally don't get fixated on it but that tolerance is going to be under stress.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 16 Oct 2015 19:43

The Israelis will be facing a huge headache. SCO-Shia alliance right at their doorstep.

The Russians are so far emerging as the dominant player in the region. No doubt about it.

They will be brokering peace deals between the Arabs, Iranians, and Jews and bolstering their influence in the process.

The US imperial state is in decline much like the British.

Process started with Bush Jr. and is being finished by Obama.

Turkey is headed for full blown civil war.

I think a major Saudi-Russian energy alliance is on the cards.

Meanwhile, Russians are moving quickly in the East. They want to evict the US from Japan as well.

http://sputniknews.com/asia/20151010/10 ... talks.html

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 16 Oct 2015 20:02

Lalmohan wrote:the net result of putin's intervention may be massive instability in turkey...

I hope so! Turks have this superiority complex vis. a vis. Indians.

habal · Post by **habal** » 16 Oct 2015 20:07

I have a feeling that this 'so-called' decline of USA is also orchestrated by some group behind the scenes.

Syria btw is a big meat grinder. After watching the chechen videos on GD's link, it has become clear that non one can escape from Syria. Look at another video here. The Syrian boy is cute as hell .. but he says his main goal is to be a martyr. Brainwashing at this level means that the entire takfiri way-of-life is poisonous and anti-humanity. When a person's conscience and moral compass are screwed by constant brainwashing then unlike USA' and the US-UK alliance policy of using these groups for geo-strategic gains and using them as proxy. The entire leadership of these groups must be eliminated and never be allowed to spurt again. Absolute control has to be established on countries like Saudi Arabia to ensure this 'way-of-thought' never raises head again ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUJ9DHh8b9E

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 16 Oct 2015 20:09

If Syria is refusing to give up its 'sovereignty and territorial integrity' despite 80+% of country not in UN recognized govt's control, will turkey give up its?
At the end of the day, Russia, Iran, and China want to retain the world order in its present form. It is 'status quo'ist'.

It is anyone's guess what Russia and Turkey must be discussing and agreeing on despite being *currently* on opposite sides of this conflict.

This status quo is not in our interest but US/West's idea of change is even more hurtful to us with all their attacks on every aspect of our civilizational, cultural, economic and business, and other sovereign interests.

As things stand, US's alliance has stretched too far for too long and is now short on levers to gain worldwide support in its evil schemes like it happened after 9/11. It is less likely but we should not be surprised if events leading up to such support coming back at US's doorstep once again.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 16 Oct 2015 20:19

habal wrote:I have a feeling that this 'so-called' decline of USA is also orchestrated by some group behind the scenes.

Syria btw is a big meat grinder. After watching the chechen videos on GD's link, it has become clear that non one can escape from Syria. Look at another video here. The Syrian boy is cute as hell .. but he says his main goal is to be a martyr. Brainwashing at this level means that the entire takfiri way-of-life is poisonous and anti-humanity. When a person's conscience and moral compass are screwed by constant brainwashing then unlike USA' and the US-UK alliance policy of using these groups for geo-strategic gains and using them as proxy. The entire leadership of these groups must be eliminated and never be allowed to spurt again. Absolute control has to be established on countries like Saudi Arabia to ensure this 'way-of-thought' never raises head again ever.

Problem extrapolates because such brain-washed folks are not part of some national cause and they transcends national boundaries. Which makes them like double edged sword, as they usually cut both sides. They are easy to create, but almost impossible to contain.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 16 Oct 2015 20:24

There are lots of American volunteers joining the kurds to fight the ISIS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNNprp8N1NA

Frederic · Post by **Frederic** » 16 Oct 2015 20:25

Satya_anveshi wrote:If Syria is refusing to give up its 'sovereignty and territorial integrity' despite 80+% of country not in UN recognized govt's control, will turkey give up its?
At the end of the day, Russia, Iran, and China want to retain the world order in its present form. It is 'status quo'ist'.

It is anyone's guess what Russia and Turkey must be discussing and agreeing on despite being *currently* on opposite sides of this conflict.

This status quo is not in our interest but US/West's idea of change is even more hurtful to us with all their attacks on every aspect of our civilizational, cultural, economic and business, and other sovereign interests.

As things stand, US's alliance has stretched too far for too long and is now short on levers to gain worldwide support in its evil schemes like it happened after 9/11. It is less likely but we should not be surprised if events leading up to such support coming back at US's doorstep once again.

Satya_anveshi, I am following this thread with interest. A couple of stellar posts from you 5 pages back cleared up the fog of war for me considerably. Especially about that neocon rogue Perle. Thanks for the effort.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 16 Oct 2015 20:32

Singha wrote:good luck to amrika trying to enforce licensing regimes in Iraq its a mad max type scene of modded kit.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 16 Oct 2015 20:36

JE Menon wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naTm6tbbHuY

Speaking of Russian bluntness, and couldn't-give-less-of-a-shytery, check this out at the end of the Kerry-Lavrov press conference, how Lavrov handles a journalist's question. I wouldn't spoil the surprise by detailing it. Watch to the end.

There is another incident in 2nd Chechen war that a Russian was narrating to his friend, I am trying to find that video. Really love the Russian CHutzpah, as opposed to American arrogance and Brit/French slyness

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 16 Oct 2015 20:39

thats uncle sam with the guitar there DJing the party?

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 16 Oct 2015 20:40

^^If this is how Russian diplomats talk, good luck dealing with their stormtroopers.

kit · Post by **kit** » 16 Oct 2015 20:59

especially liked the way the Russians tweeted back to the British .. more akin to showing the middle finger !

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 16 Oct 2015 21:01

BTW Iran does share a common interest with Turkey in keeping the Kurds down. There is not a single in the Middle East except Israel that does not have a conflict of interest with the Kurds.

In any case, if there is a Kurdistan, it will morph into the ISIL after a few Generations. That after all, is the only truth in Islam.

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 16 Oct 2015 21:05

Singha wrote:one gets the feeling parts of the US deep state are not under POTUS control and are running their own middle east policy, doing something first and then letting the president deal with any adverse fallout.

I think all US Presidents realize within a very short while after assuming office that they cannot go against the agenda of the deep state. BO was/is just implementing the script written by the deep state. What nobody in the deep state anticipated was Putin jumping into Syria. They all thought his effort to undermine the deep state would be via his China alliance, this direct action business in the Middle East caught everybody with their pants down. Since the fall of the SU in 1990, the deep state has for the past 25 years got used to ruling the roost and become embedded globally via a "coalition of deep states'. So it's not just a question of State/Penta-gon/BO with egg on their face. It's that the agenda of the deep state is being thwarted by Putin. I think there will be no long term compromise here (even if there is a short term ceasefire/political settlement) because the Ayatollahs and Putin cannot be "bought" by the deep state and both sides know it. Hence the efforts at regime change in Iran and Russia.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Oct 2015 22:05

Saladin scourge of Crusaders was a Kurd.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 16 Oct 2015 22:12

BO is MMS of House of Bush. There is no way they would give reigns of US during the precarious time of 2008 crisis to a novice like BO. In the words of Henry Paulson, 2008 crisis was like a once in a 100 year event.

Increasingly, the transition of power in US has not been smooth and full of controversies lately. During 2016, US will be going to polls amid almost similar or worse situation as was in 2008 - demand is still dead, debt now is overblown, European economy in tatters, Iranian oil is now coming on the market potentially on a non-USD bourse, and significant nations in the world (

) are actively seeking to undermine the $ hegemony. It will be a small miracle if 2016 change happens smoothly.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 16 Oct 2015 22:45

It seems the UAV that shot/crashed today in Turkey is Orlan-10 and its been in use in Syria for quite some time by syrian armed forces, Details in link

http://spioenkop.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07 ... an-10.html

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 16 Oct 2015 22:48

The General Staff of the Russian Federation are wondering who needed to strike at economic targets near the Syrian-Jordanian border
10/16/2015 17:58:00

Moscow. On October 16th. Interfax-AVN - On the Syrian-Jordanian border, where Russian has never worked, or the Syrian air force, traces of the application of air strikes against outbuildings chief of the Main Operations Directorate of the Defense Ministry, Colonel-General Andrei Kartapolov.

"On the Syrian-Jordanian border, near the town of Herbet-Geza we found the ruins of outbuildings destroyed by bombing," - the general said at a briefing for foreign military attaches and journalists on Friday.

According to him, "Russian planes there have never worked, and the Syrian air force, to our knowledge, are not used."

"This area has never been a terrorist LIH Moreover, in 2013 the area under the control of" Free Syrian Army "- recalled A.Kartapolov.

He showed the audience photos of the area with traces of the bombing. "The images you will see that around these garden houses there is no trace of military activities, no trenches, there is no trace of military equipment, military hardware itself is not. It is common gardens and fields with buildings for storage of agricultural implements," - said the general.

"Why was it necessary to destroy them? It seems that someone trained pilots or stabbed to report to the command of the execution of combat missions," - he concluded.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 17 Oct 2015 04:25

Long term success of all that is going on in She-reeya depends probably on return of common person's life to normalcy....what are the chances of India taking first step to help common people of she-reeya with food, medicines, and other essentials? What if combat ship docks at Lata-kia port with hoomanitarian supplies? It could send lot of messages to countries around the world...

habal · Post by **habal** » 17 Oct 2015 06:00

first results of iran/hezb offensive on aleppo
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRdDs2EWEAANkAe.jpg

"Support Assad"- T-Shirts sold in Russia. With Su-24 over a map of Syria and drone images of struck rat position.

http://www.anna-news.info/node/44944

They say, the things are bought so fast, they can barely fill up in time.

habal · Post by **habal** » 17 Oct 2015 06:08

.FROM THE Sana website--- http://sana.sy/en/?p=57994

This paragraph about sums it up and WHO IS ON WHOSE SIDE--actually disgusting and out in the open for all to see and read.....Russian Army General Staff: Russia conducted more than 600 sorties against 380 ISIS positions in Syria since Sep 30

"""He stated that the US-led Coalition is targeting bridges, power stations, water pumps and other public utilities which made life harder for Syrians, adding that those strikes have decreased the military capabilities of the Syrian Army and pushed them to retreat while ISIS was buying supplies in neighboring countries and receiving deliveries from certain organizations and nations."""

Kartapolov said that ISIS terrorists number around 40 to 50 thousand, noting that ISIS is looting and fighting for turf. “When they need FOREIGN money, they declare that they are fighting AGAINST the Syrian state. But once they GET the money they use it as they please,” he added.

habal · Post by **habal** » 17 Oct 2015 06:17

Full Metal Retard: US Launches "Performance-Based" Ammo Paradrop Program For Make-Believe "Syrian Arabs"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-1 ... ve-syrian-

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 17 Oct 2015 06:37

and most of the footsoldiers of the Armenian Genocide were Kurds as well. Kurds did to the Armenians a century ago what the ISIS is doing to the Yezidis now.

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 17 Oct 2015 07:19

Satya_anveshi wrote:Initial assessment that this conflict will remain limited to the west asia is now suspect and is being spread to CAR states as well. US/West is going big in supporting terrorism around the world.

Putin: 7,000 people from ex-Soviet republics estimated to fight alongside ISIS -Oct 16, 2015
“There are an estimated 5,000 to 7,000 fighters from Russia and other CIS member states fighting for ISIL,” Putin said referring to IS by its former name. “We certainly cannot allow them to use the experience they are getting in Syria on home soil.”
This is the reason for Obama's decision to continue to maintain forces in Afghanistan.

Putin also spoke on the security situation in Afghanistan, saying it is rapidly deteriorating.
“The situation is becoming critical. Terrorists of all flavors are gaining influence there and don't hide their plans to expand,” he said. “One of their targets is Central Asia. We have to be prepared to respond to this contingency.”
Russia may send border guards to Tajikistan to fend off ISIS - Defense Ministry - Oct 15, 2015

“Our political leaders will discuss this problem and make a decision. Everything is possible,” General Yuri Borisov said at a news conference in Kazakhstan’s capital Astana. He was being asked if Russia could give military support to Tajikistan due to the growing terrorist threat in the region. The general did not exclude the Russian military resuming the armed protection of the Tajikistan-Afghanistan border.

Borisov’s comment was made after the meeting between the leaders of Russia and Kazakhstan who, according to Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev, “were very concerned with the situation in Tajikistan.”
Tajikistan is 97% Sunni but as mentioned before people from CAR states generally don't get fixated on it but that tolerance is going to be under stress.

I predicted all this right here on this forum. Look at my earlier posts. As I said earlier, CA and India are next and if we allow Russia to lose, we all lose. This is our last chance to stop the US-backed Sunni jihad. If Russia loses (and they likely will if left isolated and alone against the might of the US, Turkey, GCC, Jordan, etc), we all lose. Not just Syria, Iraq, Iran, Russia, and Central Asia, but Afghanistan and India as well. There is a limited window of opportunity to break the creeping US-Sunni destabilization of our entire region and forge a solid alliance of Russia, India, China, Iran, Iraq, Syria and the Central Asian states. If India and China fail to back Russia's play, that window of opportunity will close, the aforementioned alliance will never materialize, and the jihadist march will continue. We stop them over there now, or in a few years we watch our neighborhood burn, then India itself. We can stand up to them as a team now, or we can "bide our time" and some years from now, find ourselves waging a lonely and desperate fight inside India itself.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Oct 2015 08:08

we should send the INS Jalashwa loaded with humanitarian supplies escorted by a frigate.

humanitarian relief was all it was intended for anyway

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Oct 2015 08:25

this was the reason why convoys of shia militias were driving north from tikrit last week:

Iraqi troops retake key oil refinery Beiji from ISIS

Iraqi government troops backed by Shiite militia fighters have driven out Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) militants from a key oil refinery north of Baghdad, AP reported officials as saying on Friday. The Beiji refinery and nearby Siniya town were retaken, the Joint Military Command said, without giving details of the wide-scale military operation. The refinery, Iraq's largest, has been idle since June last year. It remained contested after the town of Beiji, about 250km north of Baghdad, fell to IS during its blitz across northern Iraq a year ago. The town lies on the road to IS-held Mosul, Iraq’s second-largest city.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Oct 2015 08:27

its still a long way up north to Mosul, but if attacks from kurd areas could be launched from the east to straddle the N-S highway between Baiji and Mosul, the ISIS garrisons in the intervening towns will be forced to run away across the desert to the west.

http://www.mapsofworld.com/iraq/maps/iraq-map.gif

habal · Post by **habal** » 17 Oct 2015 09:40

record turnaround times for russian aircraft operating from Latakia base

The Russian Air Force crews are turning the planes around for reflight faster then U.S. Air Force crews operating under similar conditions with similar planes. Russians are using four different planes on the flight deck.

Their max turnaround for 24 planes flying 24 hours a day is about 96 missions per day. They did 88 the other day! Operating efficiency of about 96%. Unreal. How long can these Russian ground crews keep it up? I hear they ran out of vodka in Latakia.

http://russia-insider.com/en/military/w ... ve/ri10522
Russian Foreign Ministry Warns Suppliers of ManPADs will face consequences

http://sana.sy/en/?p=57997

"This should be taken as a serious warning."

habal · Post by **habal** » 17 Oct 2015 09:45

ISIS out of gas
ISIS terrorist and the rest of the rats are shaving their beards and fleeing in terror.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-1 ... nt-6677944

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 17 Oct 2015 12:34

Compared to Kalbir used in Syria average RCS of 0.1-0.2 m2 and range of 2600km, Kh-101 family has avg rcs of 0.01m2 i.e 1/10 of Klub and range of 5000 km

http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-440.html

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 17 Oct 2015 12:35

ldev wrote:
Singha wrote:one gets the feeling parts of the US deep state are not under POTUS control and are running their own middle east policy, doing something first and then letting the president deal with any adverse fallout.
I think all US Presidents realize within a very short while after assuming office that they cannot go against the agenda of the deep state. BO was/is just implementing the script written by the deep state. What nobody in the deep state anticipated was Putin jumping into Syria. They all thought his effort to undermine the deep state would be via his China alliance, this direct action business in the Middle East caught everybody with their pants down. Since the fall of the SU in 1990, the deep state has for the past 25 years got used to ruling the roost and become embedded globally via a "coalition of deep states'. So it's not just a question of State/Penta-gon/BO with egg on their face. It's that the agenda of the deep state is being thwarted by Putin. I think there will be no long term compromise here (even if there is a short term ceasefire/political settlement) because the Ayatollahs and Putin cannot be "bought" by the deep state and both sides know it. Hence the efforts at regime change in Iran and Russia.

Agreed. America IS a warmongering country and the only way for them to survive is to go to or be in a perpetual war. If that is the case, the US deep state has not been able to get their man into the WH since Eisenhower. Perhaps he was the last professional in the job. Ever since, they have had bumbling wannabes attempt to wage war without having the tactical understanding of how wars are fought and won.