The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 21 Oct 2015 18:56

Can not see kremlin from khimki. Not even in summer. In winter visibility is highly reduced. Heer oberstendardfurrer was having pakisque dreams.there is a russian film where xyzfurrer clmbs upon the bell room of a church and sees industrial plants on the outskirts of Moscow.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Oct 2015 19:02

Jawohl sire

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Oct 2015 19:28

Assad checks out his retirement home
Joining most of his compatriots in (Russian) Oirope? It's the only place where he can live in relative safety for a few years. That would be Putin's coup de grace: get Assad out and replace with a "National Unity Govrmand" comprised of (Putin-controlled) Assadites, "Flee Syrian Rebels", "Moderate Islamists", Kurds and Hezbollah.

If he achieves that in the next few weeks, it REALLY pulls the mat from under BO,Poodles&Co, hain?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Oct 2015 19:33

but question is - why should Assad be replaced ? because the west does not like him? because some section of syrians do not like him?

in a region where everyone rules by hereditary rights and religious police/goons squads, what is so particularly bad that assad must go and KSA/Qatar/UAE can continue to violate human rights, supress dissent with 1000 lashes and rule by hereditary right? you know how bahrain suppressed the arab spring. or what KSA and its kabilas are doing in Yemen - should that not be enough cause to depose the KSA govt , free the saudi people, meet their aspirations esp the women and send the royal family into exile in pakistan ?

why should syria alone be singled out for 'free n fair democratic elections' ?

either all must go, or else those who have the strength to stay can stay in charge and keep a lid on things.

if Putin does what you suggest he will be doing what the west was working to and they will be only too glad. the chaotic democracy that follows will be like iraq post-saddam and things can always be "managed" that pro-west islamists and warlords wipe out the rest and get into power.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 21 Oct 2015 19:36

^^ Well I suppose the Israel , Saudi and Turkey would happy to see Assad go , Isnt that a good enough reason that he must go ?

Also he is from minority Alawites region and he does not have a broad support base , like say Iran with 90 % Shia and Iraq with 70 % Shia , Alawites percentage is around 15 %

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Oct 2015 19:59

photos of some ISIS caught trying to escape dressed as women

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhdgvTlHNyo

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Oct 2015 20:37

just moving them into syria , with all their equipment and stores for a 6 month deployment will be a major logistical thing...will need a fleet of transport ships.

irregulars/militias/levies are not going to hack it.

as lot of ISIS would no doubt escape before it became too late, but they would cease to be a syrian, iraqi or russian problem and become the "worlds problem" , heading for home shores or creating mayhem in turkey itself. the world will get a glimpse of the Asuras that were created to rule syria-iraq.

Sorry, I would say this is WW2- Colin Bin Powell - Norman Schwarzkopf thinking.

Much of Syria is uninhabitable unlike the agricultural/industrial countryside through which WW2 was fought. Cannot sustain unsupplied humans.

So I would say that a fleet of drones supported by attack helicopters and fighter jets will finish off any 'breakout' - which is why the F-16s are trying to ensure mass refugee columns to provide cover on the roads.

A few helo-borne fast-response units, plus checkpoints along all major roads to sift the refugees and find the bad ones, will essentially force the ISIS/Flee Syrian Army to try open-country breakouts - aka desert pest-e-sha'eed by the attack helos and fighters.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Oct 2015 20:40

but question is - why should Assad be replaced ? because the west does not like him? because some section of syrians do not like him?

The man is probably 80 years old and hasn't had a moment of peace. All the Bheshtern clamor is "Assad Must Go!"

So Ok, he 'goes' and is replaced by someone 400% agreeable to him. Succession plan implemented slightly early. Of course 'they' will whine, but at this point Putin's propaganda machine can handle that easily.

habal · Post by **habal** » 21 Oct 2015 21:33

there used to be a poster shyamd who uses to come every other day with reports of imminent 'assad fall'. Nothing has happened for 5 yrs. Meanwhile Tony Bliar, Stephen Harper, Tony Abott have fallen by wayside with no legacy worth to lookup in history. Assad will stay for 10 more years, atleast that's what is minimum to guarantee stability and prevent re-occurence of gaddafi fall and saddam fall scenario. and his relative or confidante may take over from there.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 21 Oct 2015 22:23

UlanBatori wrote:
but question is - why should Assad be replaced ? because the west does not like him? because some section of syrians do not like him?
The man is probably 80 years old and hasn't had a moment of peace. All the Bheshtern clamor is "Assad Must Go!"

So Ok, he 'goes' and is replaced by someone 400% agreeable to him. Succession plan implemented slightly early. Of course 'they' will whine, but at this point Putin's propaganda machine can handle that easily.

Bashar al Assad is only 50.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Oct 2015 22:27

Saddam and Muammar had nowhere to run to. Assad, I suspect, already agreed to abdicate b4 Comrade Vlad agreed to send any planes. See Putin's repeated assertion that Russia is there to save Syria, not Assad. Makes sense, because he can completely deflate his real tormentors in one stroke. Any "National Unity Guvrmand" will come in, not in a big hoopla of Liberation, but into a Parliament surrounded by Russian ~~Spetznaz/GRU~~ Cultural Attaches/Siberian Dance Troupes.

So they will have to behave. Notice the timing. Quintessential Chess-Putin: First gain entry per invitation of UN-recognized govt. Second, bomb the pakistan out of the rebels. Third, gain faith (and control) of the Syrian army (they are winning now for the first time in years, and have Russians to thank for that. Fourth, all bases and skies secured, agreement with the Y-Y.

And then take over the govt, declare success in solving the uncivil war, and make everyone else look like idiots because now they have noooo excuse not to finish off their own associates, the ISIS and the Flee Syrian Almy and the Al Qaeda.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Oct 2015 22:28

Oh, only 50, hain? Heart attack risk. Needs Colonoscopy too.. R&R in Sevastopol indicated.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Oct 2015 22:31

Some meeting is scheduled now between the two gorillas USA and Russia and the local cats turkey and ksa...to discuss future of syria

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Oct 2015 22:52

ISIS Bojitive Neuj Alert:
Qatar Threatens to Destroy Russia Unless Putin Surrenders

“We do not fear any confrontation, and thus we will call for dialogue from a position of strength because we believe in peace and the shortest path to peace is through direct dialogue.”
Qatar is a small but wealthy gas exporter that played a major role in supporting Islamist opposition groups during Arab Spring uprisings in 2011 in Libya and Syria.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Oct 2015 23:01

Bojitive Neuj: All Except 83 ISIS Facilities Escape Russian Attack

Moscow (AFP) - Russian jets hit 83 targets in Syria over the past 24 hours, Russia's military said Wednesday, ramping up its bombing campaign as President Bashar al-Assad made a surprise visit to Moscow.... 46 sorties against 83 infrastructure targets of terrorist groups in the provinces of Hama, Idlib, Damascus, Aleppo and Deir Ezzor," the defence ministry said in a statement. The one-day tally of targets hit is one of the highest since Moscow began its air campaign...

Russia's military said that it destroyed a bomb-making factory belonging to Al-Qaeda affiliate Al-Nusra in the area around the second city of Aleppo, where government forces have renewed a ground offensive. Russia said it also hit a major Al-Nusra field camp in the Hama region and an Islamic State (IS) group command post in Idlib province.
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The uptick in strikes came as Syrian leader Assad made an unannounced visit to Moscow to meet Putin on Tuesday, his first known foreign trip since the conflict broke out in his country in 2011.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Oct 2015 23:03

Bojitive Neuj: Great Satan's Dronullahs Downed By Other Satan

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Oct 2015 01:37

Syria sitrep.
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semp ... syria.html

In the comments it is pointed out that it took 6 months to grind down Qaddafi's forces in Libya.

Bhurishrava · Post by **Bhurishrava** » 22 Oct 2015 01:50

See Putin's repeated assertion that Russia is there to save Syria, not Assad.

This is a chanakian satement onlee.
There are only two sides in this war. Assad/Syria/Iran/Shia side or Sunni/ISIS/Qatar/SA side. Rest is bullcrap.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Oct 2015 01:55

Pls see history of Afghanistan circa 1979... where SU went in to Save Afghanistan. I am surprised Assad has lasted this long.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 22 Oct 2015 03:03

See this is full screen and HD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0ELAa02TUY

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Oct 2015 05:15

I have not understood why they don't put several single-terrorist weapons on drones, and use them. Look at that video that Gagan posted: those tanks are slow, lumbering, and highly, highly risky and not very effective - they do blast a few buildings, but with what results? The dronacharya above sees everything, well, why not use the info? Send a fleet of drones and you can wipe out all the terrorists in a whole town, before any tank has to go in. Or, tank goes in, and draws all the TOWheads out into the open with their Color AutoZoom Broadcast-Quality Videocams. One small RPG-size missile, one (or two) dead terrorists, one TOW unit wiped out with all 3 of their mijjiles.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Oct 2015 05:20

Big neuj: Jimmy Carter offers target info to Vladimir Putin

Former President Jimmy Carter said recently that he provided maps of Islamic State positions in Syria to the Russian embassy in Washington, a move apparently at odds with the Obama administration’s official policy of not cooperating with Russia in the Syrian war.

Carter said on Sunday in Georgia that he knows Russian President Vladimir Putin “fairly well” because they “have a common interest in fly fishing.” When he met with Putin in April along with other global leaders to discuss the crises in Syria and Ukraine, the Russian president gave him an email address so the two could discuss his “fly fishing experiences, particularly in Russia,” Carter said.

The civil war in Syria, where U.S. officials say Russia has bombed rebels and CIA-backed groups rather than the Islamic State terrorist group, has also been a topic of conversation between the two. Carter said he sent maps of the Islamic State’s locations in Syria, produced by the Carter Center, to the Russian embassy so Moscow could improve the accuracy of its strikes.

“I sent [Putin] a message Thursday and asked him if he wanted a copy of our map so he could bomb accurately in Syria, and then on Friday, the Russian embassy in Atlanta—I mean in Washington, called down and told me they would like very much to have the map,” Carter said at his Sunday school class in Georgia, according to a video of his remarks first aired by NBC News. “So in the future, if Russia doesn’t bomb the right places, you’ll know it’s not Putin’s fault but it’s my fault,” he added as the audience laughed.

Obama administration officials have publicly said the United States will not collaborate with Russia as long as it targets U.S.-backed rebels in an effort to prop up Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, a longtime ally of Moscow. The administration has said Assad must eventually step down as part of efforts to seek a political resolution to the Syrian war. “We are not prepared to cooperate on strategy which, as we explained, is flawed, tragically flawed, on the Russians’ part,” said Ash Carter, U.S. defense secretary, earlier this month.

However, Carter appears to have reached out to Putin on his own initiative and urged him to find common ground with the United States by only targeting the Islamic State in Syria.

Cmdr. Elissa Smith, spokeswoman for the Department of Defense, declined to comment about whether the Pentagon was aware of Carter’s correspondence with Putin.

“I can’t speak to whether anyone in the Pentagon was aware the Carter Center provided maps to the Russia Embassy,” she said in an email.

The White House referred the Washington Free Beacon to the Carter Center, which did not respond to a request for comment. The Russian embassy also did not respond to a request for comment.

Carter has previously expressed support for Russia and its actions in Ukraine, where Moscow has supported separatists with weapons and troops against Ukrainian forces backed by the United States. After meeting with Putin earlier this year, Carter said Russia’s annexation of the Crimean peninsula in Ukraine was “inevitable” and was what residents wanted—a stance that conflicts with most international observers who have said that Russia illegally invaded Crimea and held an illegitimate referendum.

He also said last year that the United States should not impose more sanctions on Russia and that he believed “Putin is not going to use military force” in eastern Ukraine. “I don’t think there is anything we can do that is going to deter Putin,” he said at the time.

Russia is currently supporting Iran and its regional militias with airstrikes as the pro-Assad forces prepare an offensive on the major Syrian city of Aleppo. The Islamic State is reported to have benefited from the Russian strikes on rebels as the terrorist group moved in from the north to gain more territory.

The Pentagon said on Tuesday that the United States had signed an agreement with Russia in an attempt to avoid incidents in Syrian airspace, where American planes are also bombing Islamic State positions.

Peter Cook, Pentagon press secretary, said in a statement that the memorandum with Russia “does not establish zones of cooperation, intelligence sharing, or any sharing of target information in Syria” and does “not constitute U.S. cooperation or support for Russia’s policy or actions in Syria.”

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 22 Oct 2015 05:28

Wait a second, is the same karter??

@1:33 "An attempt by any outside force to gain control of the persian gulf......."

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Oct 2015 06:11

Question is: would u use a map provided by the Carter Center to decide where to drop bombs in Syria? Do they know where Syria is?

Quick facts
Damascus is a town in Early County, Georgia, United States. The population was 277 at the 2000 census.Wikipedia. Population: 242 (2013) Area: 1.8 mi²

That's hwhear dem nyookular, sinfully lustful killer rabbits send each other Cold Blunt Memos.
So Putin will get along great with Trump, go fly-fishing with Carter.. .play chess with (pigeon) Obama.. wonder what he will do with Prez. Hilary or Sarah "I can see Russia from my back porch" Palin (never mind.)

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 22 Oct 2015 08:21

Looks like US is happily transplanting Af-Pak news reporting gimmick, which we are only toooo familiar, in Syria-Iraq theater.
Every once in a while, US publishes news that they killed #2 or #3 etc just to hog media limelight and project an appearance of doing something against ISIS.

After the convey story killing (imaginary) eight top leaders including injuring Al bigdaddy, now this

ISIS finance official killed in U.S.-led strike in Mosul

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 22 Oct 2015 08:27

Canada chickens out smelling US's public capitulation:

Canada to end airstrikes in Syria and Iraq, new prime minister Trudeau says - Oct 21, 2015

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 22 Oct 2015 08:57

This is edited video but has great footage of air strikes amid anti-aircraft gun fire though not MANPADs and also (allegedly) up-close footage of missile attack from Caspian:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdXMS3Sxlvg

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 22 Oct 2015 12:29

i think its the saudis and turks who want assad out. they have sold this line to washington and washington has told its poodles what line to follow (its about the oil remember). now the only reason that the saudis want assad out is... wait for it... he's an alawite

the neocon experiment has truly and royally messed up the middle east

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Oct 2015 14:20

UlanBatori wrote:
but question is - why should Assad be replaced ? because the west does not like him? because some section of syrians do not like him?
The man is probably 80 years old and hasn't had a moment of peace. All the Bheshtern clamor is "Assad Must Go!"

So Ok, he 'goes' and is replaced by someone 400% agreeable to him. Succession plan implemented slightly early. Of course 'they' will whine, but at this point Putin's propaganda machine can handle that easily.

We may not like it but it's only the asad, gaddaffi, saddam who know well how to keep their populace quiet in their unique cultures. It may not be our way or even to our understanding. Some people getting shot or imprisoned may not be palatable to us but it's not our country or even our culture.

saddam ensured that basic food, clothing, fuel, services was available plentifully and cheaply. The rest was not important he decreed, likewise for the other "tyrants". some cultures have lived like this for centuries. muslims have always lusted for a caliph and no caliph lusts for democracy.

best to leave well enough alone rather than bugger up everything like the amrekis who want control over resources not their own.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 22 Oct 2015 14:55

many muslims will tell you that democracy and islam are not compatible

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 22 Oct 2015 15:50

U.S. to Iraq: If Russia helps you fight ISIS, we can't

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Oct 2015 16:56

chetakji: Were Mr. Assad to become sha'eed tomorrow (by whatever cause) there has to be a succession plan in place to maintain order, hain? By implementing that now, WITHOUT Assad dying or being publicly beaten to death or hanged unlike Muammar or Saddam, the Russians totally up-end the entire "ASSAD MUST GO!!"

New "Chief Executive" would be presented as "400% Mod-e-Rat" and even have a pet dog and a bottle of hooch to prove that he is (remember?)
Like Pakistan or like Eyeran after Ayatollah Khomeini. New Ayatollah totally mod-e-rat, refined, studied picture book on nyooklear technology better than even Jimmy Carter. Read "How I Chorried Tasveer-e-Centrifyooj" by that great Einstein-ul-Ummah, Al Haj Dr. Abdul Xerox Khan, cover to cover, whereas Khomeini wasted his entire $25 Pig-e-Bank on Great "Satanic Verses" by Salman Rushdie, believing that it was American Poetry.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Oct 2015 17:02

Austin wrote:U.S. to Iraq: If Russia helps you fight ISIS, we can't

Comments section begins to show **some** small signs of intelligence. Either that or Patriotic Americans don't post under See B.S. Then again there are plenty of "BO=Hussein" comments there.
Come to think of it: China+Israel = Putin Russia = Red-White n' Blue!

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 22 Oct 2015 19:00

Blogger Reveals How Assad (Probably) Flew to Moscow, Evading US Intel

the news has graphic on air flight route he could have gone and landed back

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 22 Oct 2015 19:06

Combat report: Russian Air Force carries out 53 sorties, strikes 72 terrorist targets in Syria
https://www.rt.com/news/319392-russia-s ... errorists/

Seventy-two terrorist targets have been hit in six Syrian provinces over the past 24 hours, Russia's Defense Ministry reports.

During over 50 sorties, the Russian Air Force attacked militants' locations in such Syrian provinces as Hama, Idlib, Latakia, Aleppo, Damascus and Deir ez-Zor, Major General Igor Konashenkov said.

Reporting on its activities in Syria against Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS) jihadists and other terrorists, Russia's Defense Ministry denied US allegations that cluster bombs had been used during the operation in areas with civilian population.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 22 Oct 2015 20:06

Putin: No need to distinguish between ‘moderate’ & other terrorists

There can be no "moderate" terrorists, President Putin said, speaking about the situation in the Middle East at the Valdai discussion forum.

A whole "snarl" of terrorist groups act in the region, who fight also against each other for "sources of income" and not for ideology, Putin said, adding that the weapons provided to "moderate" opposition in the region had ended up in the hands of terrorists.

Some countries are playing a double game, the Russian president said, adding that while they fight against terrorism they also "place figures on the board" in their own interests.

Saying that the efforts of the Russian military in Syria will positively affect the situation in the country, helping to provide conditions for political settlement, the Russian president also stressed that defeating terrorists will not solve all the problems in Syria.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 22 Oct 2015 20:16

ISIS launches bizarre condom-bombs over the skies of Idlib hoping they will crash into Russian Jet

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 22 Oct 2015 20:32

The saudis are jittery about shia encirclement in the ME.
Iran, Yemen, Syria etc.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 22 Oct 2015 20:43

unfortunately the syrians are a bit of a side show here, this is all about vlad the bad(mush) reclaiming the world stage for rodina and restoring H&D for the long suffering slavic nations
BO is a lame duck pres., the succession is being contested by bozo's for the most part, no wonder vlad is making the run to the end zone here

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 23 Oct 2015 00:15

Gagan wrote:The saudis are jittery about shia encirclement in the ME.
Iran, Yemen, Syria etc.

Gagan ji,

Your statement can be read as Saudi's are defending the aggressive encirclement by Shias. Is this really the case?

Think about which Sunni country is facing existential crisis now and which Shia country isn't facing one? This is geo-political map drawing exercise undertaken by only those that think they can do it and get away with it. Even at the expense of millions of lives. It is Sunni tail wagging the US dog of global brinkmanship.