The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 31 Oct 2015 02:33

Agreement reached to continue the dialog

. First 7.5 minutes is all usual BS. Russia, Iran agree to disagree with US on Assad.

Next 4.5 mins is agreement but can be seen as US's capitulation (from earlier US pov).

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 31 Oct 2015 02:35

Frederic wrote:Sayta_Anveshi, I can't see the link to that video. Can you give me some pointers so that I can search for it myself.

Lots of good points by you BTW on this thread. Thanks.

Which video? Senator Lindsay Graham's hot air one?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 31 Oct 2015 02:57

Straight talking Senator there.

Yes, but what appears to come from his mouth is coming from deep, deep, deeper down from his fundament, with no approach to his brain.Oh, my mistake! He is of course a Fundamentalist, that IS where his brain is located.

So let's see:

1. Assad was ruling Syria. A perfectly normal Ayrab dictatorship, like KSA or Jordan or Quatar or Bahrain. As All*h intended it to be.

2. US-NATO went in and fomented riots (oh, yes! Arab Spring my fundament!)

Same as Iranian Spring that overthrew the lawfully established govt of Mossadegh. Totally spontaneous CIA-funded, CIA-trained. CIA-led.

Just like the "Instructing Syrians Inside Syria" (ISIS) or "Inspiring Syrians Inside Lebanon" (ISIL) programs.

3. Assad did not fall. Syrian Army fought bravely against all odds - pretty much against the entire Western Alliance + Israel + Islamist Turkey. Why? Because, believe it or not, the Syrian people recognized that they had a better deal under Assad than their neighbors had under other dispensations. For instance, look at what happened to the Syrian Christians - did they fare better under Assad or under the American-led Liberation that has followed?

4. The country was pretty-much destroyed. Oh, yeah, all 250,000 were killed by Assad, the opposition was using totally non-violent donkey-dung as missiles, let's forget about the US-taxpayer-funded 1000 TOWs, Stingers, M-16s for the moment, plus the Saudi chemical attack, which The Honorable Ass-speaking Senator ignores).

5. The ISIS moved in, armed with American taxpayer-funded (or maybe money-laundered through friendly, democratic, Hyooman Rites Leading Kingdom of Saudi Arabia) weapons, American-trained officers and weapon-operators (Saddam's army didn't know how to operate M-1 tanks or TOWs, hain?) into Syria, tortuting, raping, enslaving, mutilating, burning to death, blowing up people tied to historic ruins all with the involuntary blessings of The American People whom that oiseule Graham from racist lying South Carolina purports to represent.

6. The Russians moved in at the very last moment.

7. The ISIS and ISIL and their trainers ran.

8. NOW the Senator whines. And Speaks Directly From His Fundament.

But he does make Ashton Carter and the Jarnail squirm on global TV/YouTube.

The Jarnail's Colonels and Majors and Lts and Sergeants and Corporals and Privates (pun intended) must have got a real kick out of that.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 31 Oct 2015 03:20

IS looks like old Khilafat project of 1920s being revived to appease Sunnis. Western Iraq is where historically Abbasid dynasty came about.

BTW first Abbasids are called saffah or bloody thug.

am sure US deep State mandarins are behind this.

Names and locations are too coincidental.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 31 Oct 2015 03:34

Frederic wrote:Sayta_Anveshi, I can't see the link to that video. Can you give me some pointers so that I can search for it myself.

Lots of good points by you BTW on this thread. Thanks.

Oh..your browser doesn't show embedded YouTube videos posted here. Will post links as well in future.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 31 Oct 2015 04:45

WHOA!!! I am very glad to see U.S Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard take a solid stand that is in consonance with what we have been saying here.
First time I watched her and her admirer count has just gone up by one

She is in the midst of few of the most dangerous people on the planet. Here's the wish that she does not become one.

U.S. Congresswoman: CIA Must Stop Illegal, Counterproductive War to Overthrow Assad - Oct 27, 2015

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 31 Oct 2015 04:58

There was a question about whether or not S300 system is deployed in Syria. Here is a 2.5 years old report that confirms the deployment. - May30, 2013

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 31 Oct 2015 06:10

How much has the Syria Battle Map changed since start of October? Have the ISIS and "Moderate terrorist" areas decreased any?

Congresswoman Gabbard has guts - no wonder, she is a real soldier, Iraq veteran. Hopefully she speaks for a fast-rising number of real Americans who realize the genocidal fraud perpetrated on the world by the DupleeCity rats. All the lamp-posts on the Mall aren't enough...

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 31 Oct 2015 07:19

The Russian intervention prevented the complete takeover of Syria by now. The Syrian Army was holding around 20 percent of Syria. What has happened till now is that the SA was able to remove the IS from inside those territories especially the Alawaite majority areas and is slowly advancing towards Palmyra. The Pace of movement is slow, may be to reduce the casualties. It may take atleast five to six months to see any substantial gain in territory.

The Russian intervention do have a positive impact on the Iraqi and Kurdistan front. The offensive on these fronts from IS has waned and they are on the defensive on these fronts. The Iraqi Army is also making slow progress towards the Syrian border. They do have a good opportunity to take over a large swath of land especially along the north west part of Iraq till the river and reducing the area where terrorists can operate. This may help them to link up with the Syrian Army and move in supplies to them as need be.

Above all they have to close the Opening that IS has with Turkey through which they are getting supplies. Both Kurds and SA must move in to close this gap.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 31 Oct 2015 07:40

The Syrian and Iraqi crisis lay bare the inability of the P4/P5 in maintaining law and order in the world. Inability of these five to coordinate in fighting terrorism. If they cant even eliminate ISIS from Iraq and Syria even if it means asking U.N peacekeepers what's the use of them sitting there with Veto powers and failing miserably. Only the Russians seems to be doing what's right. The need of reforms in the U.N security council is a dire need to save humanity from terrorists. The U.S which claims to be a democracy cant even support a democratic President like Assad while hugging and kissing the Sheikhs who dont even know the meaning of democracy and disregard humanity for power, theology and luxurious life. The Inability of POTUS the strongest man in taking decision to fight the demons can also be seen making it clear that U.S is not run by the people and its president but by those who makes money even by killing whole nation of innocent people.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 31 Oct 2015 07:42

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 31 Oct 2015 10:48

UlanBatori wrote:
Straight talking Senator there.
Yes, but what appears to come from his mouth is coming from deep, deep, deeper down from his fundament, with no approach to his brain.Oh, my mistake! He is of course a Fundamentalist, that IS where his brain is located.

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But he does make Ashton Carter and the Jarnail squirm on global TV/YouTube. The Jarnail's Colonels and Majors and Lts and Sergeants and Corporals and Privates (pun intended) must have got a real kick out of that.

I agree with what you say but my comment was to highlight this last point. I really LOLed on the way both the Secretary Defence and Jernail sa'ab squirm.

The US govt and a lot of people keep saying that Assad killed 250,000 Syrians. I don't see how Assad is responsible for so many. After having watched countless videos on the Syrian conflict, following the news etc, and not having access to 'Intelligence' reports I have the following conclusions on the Syrian conflict (would anyone draw any other conclusions?). To substantiate, I have used wikipedia entries though mostly these entries have a pro western tilt - the entry on chemical weapon attack in Syria is a case in point:

a) The Arab Springs conveniently reached Syria (not Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Qatar) but Syria where an Alawite dictator had a 'silver spoon' access to the throne.
b) Assad and hence Syria are pro Russia and Iran and not in good books of USA.
c) The vast civilian uprising is mostly Sunni in composition and is being aided and supported by NGO's / entities from abroad and get a lot of free press in the West. Of course there is Saudi support and Turkish support but these entities to me are "opportunists" who used the US support to get through their own Sectarian agendas and revenge from the Shia states.
d) By 2011, the uprising turns violent from both sides - violence of guns start both from the SAA and the 'rebels'.
e) FSA is formed which is nothing but "five or seven defected Syrian officers" Source Wikipedia, link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Syrian_Army Note: Read this wiki entry.
f) People die and are being killed by both sides, kind of happens when guns start getting used
g) Barrel Bombs are used by Syrian forces and the whole world complains (okay the world as per the Western press). I read Wikipedia and learn this: "The earliest known use of barrel bombs in their current form was by the Israeli military in 1948. The second known use of barrel bombs was by the US military in Vietnam in the late 1960s. Starting in the 1990s, they were also used in Sri Lanka, Croatia and Sudan. Barrel bombs have been used extensively by the Syrian Air Force during the Syrian Civil War—bringing the weapon to widespread global attention—and later by the Iraqi forces during the Anbar clashes. Experts believe they will continue to be embraced by unstable nations fighting insurgencies since they are cheap to make and utilise the advantages of a government's air-power" Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_bomb
h) Large scale Western and Sunni nation funding to rebel groups start with training in Turkey, weapons, Toyotas etc. Islamic fundamentalist enter the fray and start recruiting. The Civilian Uprising is almost over by 2012.
i) The funding to the rebels and easy access to weapons has been reaching Al Qaeda (Al Nusra) which is formed in 2012. This is what wikipedia has on Al - Nusra "The group announced its formation on 23 January 2012.In November 2012, The Washington Post described al-Nusra as the most successful arm of the Free Syrian Army (FSA).Ten days later, the United States designated Jabhat al-Nusra as a foreign terrorist organization" Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Nusra_Front

The birth of ISIS/ ISIL/IS / Daesh as a separate monster, the real monster and monster which also devoured Iraq, Yezdis, made sex slaves of women, the mass murders, the barbarism, the inhumanity, all are spin off from this Al-Nusra. Though in some form they existed before but it was in 2014 that they finally split to stake claim to the Caliphate. Link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_S ... the_Levant

j) Chemical Weapons are used in Syria in 2013 - Sarin gas. Same agent with similar signature according to UNHRC in multiple places in Syria. Among the screaming and shouting for US bombing of Damascus, Assad surrenders his Chemical Weapons. Turns out later the source of Chemical Weapons and the users were not Assad backed forces.

k) In 2014, the conflict changes in nature with the birth and rapid expansion of ISIS. The world is horrified and for a few months takes its focus off Syria. However, ISIS seems unstoppable until the Kurds make a stand at Kobane. This is after Shri John Kerry publicly says that - Kobani may be lost. The US starts its token anti ISISism by displaying airpower.

ISIS have looted some of the best and newest weapons from Iraqi army at Mosul, all under the brand, "Made in USA, Paid by USA". Compared to the weapons of Assad, ISIS in weapons are like 21st century vs. Assad's early 20th century equipment. Except, Assad still has a small but functional Air Force.

In 2014, Russians are busy solving a crisis in Ukraine.

l) By Jun / Jul 2015, the fall of Assad after 04 & 1/2 years of conflict is becoming clear. His Army is depleted, dejected and exhausted. His weapons are hardly making a dent on the opposition. Hezbollah has assisted him for some time but Hezbollah is fighting its own war against Al Nusra in Lebanon too. In Sep 2015, Russia suddenly moves in to Syria -aircraft, weapons, boots, spas and all the jazz.

m) Photos of Russian aircraft on the Latakia airbase runway are splashed as if some super secret is being revealed. The Russian give full credibility to these reports by starting to bomb out the 'rebels' -"If it walks like a terrorist ...." The US govt goes the Pakistani Way - Moderate terrorists (Good Terrorists?). Do the Govt. people in US know of this word "OxyMORON"?

n) In one month of Russian air operations helping the SAA + Hezbollah + Iranian forces on ground have ended the hopes of "Moderate Terrorists" getting rid of Assad by December 2015. Suddenly 250,000 + people of the region have sought refuge in Europe.

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If the US for 05 years funded, encouraged supported a conflict in which people of both sides killed 250,000 plus people, how are US govt sources blaming only Assad for this? Had they not supported anti Assad forces would anyone have died? Would ISIS have come into existence? Would those dead Yezidis who had no 'truck' with anyone in the conflcit have been dead / enslaved? Will the world hold Barrack Hussein Obama responsible just as he holds Assad responsible for those 250,000 dead Syrians? And what about those dead Iraqis.

Also, this may need some data collation: What % or what are the numbers of combatants in those 250,000+ dead ? Are the numbers inclusive of the dead in Iraq or those numbers are separate?

The hypocrisy of the US officials blows my mind. They encourage, help start, fund , train and arm a movement which goes on to produce the most gruesome HD reality tv and yet they blame others!!!

member_29089 · Post by **member_29089** » 31 Oct 2015 11:24

UlanBatori wrote:
Straight talking Senator there.
Yes, but what appears to come from his mouth is coming from deep, deep, deeper down from his fundament, with no approach to his brain.Oh, my mistake! He is of course a Fundamentalist, that IS where his brain is located.

<chop>

Just like the "Instructing Syrians Inside Syria" (ISIS) or "Inspiring Syrians Inside Lebanon" (ISIL) programs.

4. The country was pretty-much destroyed. (yes that has been the goal of the US, and has been achieved - thank you) Oh, yeah, all 250,000 were killed by Assad, the opposition was using totally non-violent donkey-dung as missiles, let's forget about the US-taxpayer-funded 1000 TOWs, Stingers, M-16s for the moment, plus the Saudi chemical attack, which The Honorable Ass-speaking Senator ignores).

5. The ISIS moved in, armed with American taxpayer-funded (or maybe money-laundered through friendly, democratic, Hyooman Rites Leading Kingdom of Saudi Arabia) weapons, American-trained officers and weapon-operators (Saddam's army didn't know how to operate M-1 tanks or TOWs, hain?) (this is a conspiracy theory which competes with "RAW caused Karachi heat wave", PLEASE raise your standards rather than replaying the same old theory that USA supports ISIS) into Syria, tortuting, raping, enslaving, mutilating, burning to death, blowing up people tied to historic ruins all with the involuntary blessings of The American People whom that oiseule Graham from racist lying South Carolina purports to represent.

6. The Russians moved in at the very last moment.

7. The ISIS and ISIL and their trainers ran.

8. NOW the Senator whines. And Speaks Directly From His Fundament.

But he does make Ashton Carter and the Jarnail squirm on global TV/YouTube. The Jarnail's Colonels and Majors and Lts and Sergeants and Corporals and Privates (pun intended) must have got a real kick out of that. (To call the US military officers "Jarnails" and thus putting them in the league of Paki "jarnails" is just being brave on the keyboard. The US military can kick butt and has kicked butt. Would Russia or China allow military officer's on public TV being questioned thusly?, Yes US policy in Syria is rudderless but their main goal of distabilizing the area surrounding Israel is achieved. The posters who simply poohpooh the US are in a minority. I believe BRfites in general are neutral in this war and are enjoying the kirkat match)

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 31 Oct 2015 11:42

According to RuMOD, since start of operations 1 month ago, 1391 combat sorties have been carried out.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 31 Oct 2015 12:50

GunterH, you're taking Ulan's messages serious? hmmmm, trying to grok that.........

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Oct 2015 12:54

250,000 KIA is a large number...akin to the serbians killed by the ustace+SS combo in former yugoslavia.

have any mass graves been found in the areas controlled by the rebels ?

in the past we have heard of the brutal iraqi mukhabarat and uday the unstable son of saddam. i have seen videos of baathist generals shooting 'shia traitors' with a pistol in true nazi style. but never did come across tales of such mass brutalities by both the Assad's senior and junior.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 31 Oct 2015 13:26

Rassian civilian A321 Airbus crashed in Sinai desert. 228 people were on board.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 31 Oct 2015 13:42

deejay wrote:The hypocrisy of the US officials blows my mind. They encourage, help start, fund , train and arm a movement which goes on to produce the most gruesome HD reality tv and yet they blame others!!!

They can be very brazen about it be it Ukraine where Victoria Nuland taped phone clearly showed the present incumbent would be PM and President and voila that is the case , Compare that in yemen were deposed PM was quickly re-instated.

Syria and even the Iran Spring is no exception , iran managed to survive because it was 90 % Shia , Compare Bharain Shaia majority but ruled by Sunni where GCC was allowed to bring in the their Army and squash it.

The Western media can easily change the tune depending on which side the West wants to support the hippocracy is seen to be believed

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Oct 2015 14:49

points to a bomb placed on board..sharm al sheikh has seen many terror attacks...23 mins after takeoff is comfortably at cruising altitude......

The airliner was on its way from the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, at the southern tip of the Sinai peninsula, to St. Petersburg, Russia, according to Sputnik news, an official Russian news agency.

* Egyptian air traffic control said it lost contact with the Russian airliner 23 minutes after takeoff according to Sputnik news. Many of the passengers were reported to be Russians returning from vacations.

* Egypt's Ministry of Aviation confirmed that it had located the crash site in area called Hassaneh, south of Al-Areesh

* Weather in the area was clear.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 31 Oct 2015 14:55

^^ Hmm we are speculating , They are mentioning pilot reporting mechanical problems and trying to land at nearest airport. Let see what investigation throws up

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 31 Oct 2015 14:56

Russian MOD says they have used KAB-1500 (1.5T ) for the first time in conflict.

Two of these bombs were mounted on the bomber Su-34. The plane took off on a mission in the east of the country in the areas controlled by militants of terrorist organizations. Bomber accompanies Su-30cm, which covers the Su-34 from the air.

"Corrected air bombs KAB-1500 (it received its name due to the weight of 1.5 tons - ed.) Is characterized by high accuracy. It is installed laser homing head, through which the bomb is corrected by laser spot," - said Klimov.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 31 Oct 2015 16:27

(this is a conspiracy theory which competes with "RAW caused Karachi heat wave", PLEASE raise your standards rather than replaying the same old theory that USA supports ISIS)

Dear Gunther: Thanks for reappearing here. The last time you came here with your sweeping advice to postors to "eat samosas" etc, some of us laid out the facts and asked you to rebut the arguments. You, dear Gunther, did an amazing re-enactment of the Pakistani Army by disappearing instead, now to re-appear with the same sweeping inflammatory rudeness - and absence of facts or logic.

The "same old theory" survives because perhaps those who don't approve of it being posted on the Internet, are apparently too slimy, cowardly and basically too dishonest to even try to rebut it factually?

Your heroic defense of the US jarnail brings tears to my eyes, but is devoid of facts or logic. Why would I use his real name and rank on a public forum?

Please go back and read the facts, re-but them, read the comments by other postors above tracing the history of the Syria genocidal war, proving beyond doubt that the Senator is a pompous ass and a liar, or just be considered a but... Oh, sorry, you are sooo busy, gotta run now, poor thing ..

There is a word called to describe ppl who come and do what you have been doing, on Internet fora. (but I forget what it is.)

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Oct 2015 16:29

If it was a bomb, we can expect bears and blackjacks over raqqa soon with kab1500.

Russia has inherited the old kgb gene of being merciless in these situations. Someone will have to pay the bill with interest.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 31 Oct 2015 16:32

KAB-00M?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Oct 2015 16:39

Shin bet and mossad might be willing to help kgb here.
They have good moles in egypt

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 31 Oct 2015 16:51

Just thinking ahead: What happens to Israel-Arab neighborly relations,
1) Were KSA to Kollapse? - Will that not make Turkey and Egypt compete for the Holiness Title?
2) Were Turkey to collapse first b4 KSA?

I can't say whether 1 or 2 is more imminent since both seem as stable/growing in might, as Hitler, Mussolini and HiroHito did in 1942.

There seems to be a good potential for a money-grabbing fratricide in KSA - no serious external invasion threat, although someone might go in for a few cruise missiles on their Palace and oil facilities.

Turkey on the other hand is standing out clearly as the Home of the ISIS. If there is one Global Target Zone that an honest UNO (oxymoron) would identify, (other than Islamabad), it is Ankara. Except for NATO commitments, Turkey would be getting visits from Su-34s now.

member_29228 · Post by **member_29228** » 31 Oct 2015 17:46

Assad responsible for 25.0000 dead?

In just one year from 1969 operation Menu in Cambodia ordered By RH prez Nixon and He H Kissinger
Killed nearly 200.000
For the sake of record and recollection. Not even counting Laos etc

Which were not even direct participants in the conflict, based on such precedents Turkey KSA are fair targets after all everybody is for democracy every where for every one no?

Assad is bad dictator , KSA is benevolent democracy.

We never learn same 64 square same 16 + 16 pieces not much to lean in 64 squares I guess
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See the same way of thinking , they say man stops growing at 5

he solution the two came up with was to bomb Cambodia in hopes of destroying the North Vietnamese bases hidden in the Cambodian jungles. However, Nixon knew that if they chose this route and it leaked to the public, the national chaos that he promised to end would only spread. For this reason he held off on bombing Cambodia for a few weeks, as the CIA pursued a plan to bribe Cambodian officials to end relations with the North Vietnamese. The CIA soon found out, though, that bribes were no match for the profits Cambodian officials were enjoying from their communist neighbors. After a Viet Cong attack on Saigan, the capital of South Vietnam, on March 15, Nixon’s frustration and impatience grew. As he said to Kissinger, “We cannot tolerate one more of these without hitting back…” The two, along with other foreign policy and military advisors, decided to order the bombing of Cambodia

Still worried about what might happen if the public received word of the bombing operation, Nixon and Kissinger worked tirelessly over the next couple of days to make sure it was kept a secret. “No comment, no warnings, no complaints, no protests…I mean it, not one thing to be said to anyone publicly or privately without my prior approval,” Nixon told Kissinger days before the first bombings. The pilots of the planes that carried the bombs were lied to about the location of their targets, and their missions were even kept off record to make it seem that they never happened. Nixon never consulted Congress and even kept the bombings a secret from high-ranking officials in the military.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Oct 2015 17:52

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... t/74934010

Does not look like bomb but who knows maybe a small bomb took out some critical part

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 31 Oct 2015 18:00

Singha wrote:http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... t/74934010

Does not look like bomb but who knows maybe a small bomb took out some critical part

Probably from Malaysia. Or the Netherlands. Or Australia. Or........

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Oct 2015 18:01

flight originating in sharm al sheikh is suspicious though. its not a beat up 40 yr old ilyushin but a321. a headache for airbus and other safety orgs to figure out the root cause and fix in 1000s of planes in service worldwide.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 31 Oct 2015 18:14

Purple is height, green is speed.

THAT is a wild climb, for a civilian plane!!!!

(From: https://twitter.com/planefinder/status/ ... 36/photo/1)

member_29228 · Post by **member_29228** » 31 Oct 2015 18:18

What if the instrumentation cluster was hacked to give and feed erroneous altitude and or angle of attack or a struggle in the cockpit

Or a fake shoulder fires/ Sam threat to reach high altitude? Quickly to evade possible hit?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Oct 2015 18:19

firstpost.com

BEIRUT A U.S.-backed Syrian rebel alliance on Saturday announced a fresh offensive against Islamic State in the northeast province of Hasaka, a day after the United States said it would send special forces to advise insurgents fighting the jihadists.

"Today... we announce the start of the liberation of the southern countryside of Hasaka province," a spokesman for the Democratic Forces of Syria said in a video statement posted on Youtube and also reported by the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which monitors the war.

The Democratic Forces of Syria is an alliance formed earlier this month including Syrian Arab groups and a U.S.-backed Kurdish militia.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 31 Oct 2015 18:20

More theories:

Those wild changes in vertical speed can be downloaded as an Excel file here. The cause of the apparent surprise that upset Flight 7K9268 is unknown but there was early speculation in general media that the jet had been hit by a missile or suffered a bomb explosion. Some reports are already claiming ISIL is active in that part of the Sinai peninsula. Those reports were canvassed by the BBC but followed by claims from an official in Cairo that one of the pilots had mentioned technical difficulties while other reports said the flight was attempting to reach the El Arish airport for an emergency landing when it struck high terrain about 50 kms to its south.

Early speculation about air crash causes is usually found to be wrong or very incomplete.

Kolavia mainly operates holiday charters under the Metrojet brand. Flight 7K9268 is believed to have worn a Metrojet livery similar but not identical to the Kolavia scheme shown in the commons photo at the top of the page, a detail which is causing some discussion elsewhere but is irrelevant to the terrible loss of life caused by this crash.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 31 Oct 2015 18:20

Singha wrote:flight originating in sharm al sheikh is suspicious though. its not a beat up 40 yr old ilyushin but a321. a headache for airbus and other safety orgs to figure out the root cause and fix in 1000s of planes in service worldwide.

I pray that this is a tragic accident and not an act of terrorism.

It seems that so much of what we used to take for granted such as flight travel, vacations at ancient ruins, etc, is now considered risky business depending on where you are going.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 31 Oct 2015 18:22

I think we can assume the pilots were not muslim.....

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Oct 2015 18:24

if the entire timeline is 23 mins the plane climbed 15000ft in 2 mins.

in another context:
http://aviation.stackexchange.com/quest ... -are-commo
"It is not normal to climb like that. It's very rare for commercial planes, which normally climb just 1,000 to 2,000 feet per minute.

From Airlines.Net:
The three are roughly the same at 10,000', at about 2500 fpm. (Maybe a bit more for a light A319, and less for a full A321)

Normal climb rates from 10,000' to about 30,000 are as follows:

A319, 3000 fpm to about 1500 at 30,000'

A320, 2200 fpm to about 1000 at 30,000'

A321, 1400 fpm to about 500 at 30,000'

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 31 Oct 2015 18:25

for the keen analyst:

Download the flight data, in Excel, at:

repo.feed.flightradar24.com/EIETJ.csv

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 31 Oct 2015 18:26

According to news reports everybody was from Russia on the plane.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Oct 2015 18:27

if the graph is genuine it was climbing around 3X the normal rate for a A321...and it was a full flight with 200+ people and luggage , loaded with fuel for a nonstop flight to St petersburg. 3500km and 4 hr 42 min per a website.