The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 05 Nov 2015 05:10

So injun vacuum burst out on the wing caused tail section of fuselage to break off clean and land 5km behind rest of wreckage.... ???

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Nov 2015 07:37

if anyone was placing bomb on board, they might have placed more than one...just to make sure.

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 05 Nov 2015 08:03

ulan batori,

I have a bad feeling war is going to break out in the middle east between Russia and us proxies saudi Arabia and turkey very soon

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Nov 2015 08:04

CNN

The latest U.S. intelligence suggests that the crash was most likely caused by a bomb planted on the plane by ISIS or an affiliate, according to multiple U.S. officials who spoke with CNN.

The officials stressed that no formal conclusion has been reached by the U.S. intelligence community and that U.S. officials haven't seen forensic evidence from the crash investigation.

Intelligence also suggests someone at the Sharm el-Sheikh airport helped get a bomb onto the plane, one U.S. official said.

"This airport has lax security. It is known for that," the official said. "But there is intelligence suggesting an assist from someone at the airport. "

....

In an audio message from ISIS' Sinai branch that was posted on terror-related social media accounts Wednesday, the organization adamantly insisted that it brought down the flight.

"Find your black boxes and analyze them, give us the results of your investigation and the depth of your expertise and prove we didn't do it or how it was downed," the message said. "Die with your rage. We are the ones with God's blessing who brought it down. And God willing, one day we will reveal how, at the time we desire."

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Nov 2015 08:05

this kind of means the end of egypt attracting EU tourists to the lovely waters of the gulf of aqaba and red sea . that place has many resorts.

the heavily policed israeli resort / port town of Eilat might benefit.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 05 Nov 2015 08:16

But ISIS has more terrorists than Egypt has resorts. Snahata, its ur optimism that's causing the 'bad feeling'.

I can't see Putin going and directly bombing KSA. But I wonder what else they might do. I think the US has much more to gain by blowing up KSA, than Russia does.

The event that the markets are waiting for, is the closure of the Strait of Hormuz due to conflict. That will send the price of oil happily zooming again. Ppl think Russia will be the ones celebrating, but actually the US and UQ will be much happier since US can resume fracking, and US is now the #1 oil nation, not KSA, so US stands to roll in the cash. Jobs will zoom in N.Dakota, S. Dakota, even Pennsylvania. BO can retire happy.

So KSA's days are numbered, but not by the Russians. I am just wondering what form the attack will take.

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 05 Nov 2015 08:20

war is coming to the middle east and low oil prices are in the rear view mirror. keep watching

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 05 Nov 2015 08:33

you do not kill innocent little russian children and helpless russian women and get away with this. if you know anything about president putin this will not go unanswered and it is not going to be a pin prick . he is going to play chess as well as use a hammer, it is very emotional as well.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Nov 2015 08:51

snahata we got the message. Please post something else.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 05 Nov 2015 09:01

If the bomb gets place in Egypt airport by what every means or from flight to St petersberg from Sharm el-Sheikh airport.

Isnt it responsibility of Egyptian government here ? Due to their lack of security or carelessness it happened ?

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 05 Nov 2015 09:07

Russia can use this excuse to interfere in Yemen

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 05 Nov 2015 09:09

Yesterday Chalabi died of heart attack and today this. I wonder what is in store for tomorrow

Elder Bush Says His Son Was Served Badly by Aides - Nov 04, 2015

WASHINGTON — After years of holding back, former President George Bush has finally broken his public silence about some of the key figures in his son’s administration, issuing scathing critiques of Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.

In interviews with his biographer, Mr. Bush said that Mr. Cheney built “his own empire” and asserted too much “hard-line” influence within George W. Bush’s White House in pushing for the use of force around the world. Mr. Rumsfeld, the elder Mr. Bush said, was an “arrogant fellow” who could not see how others thought and “served the president badly.”

Mr. Bush’s sharp assessments, contained in a biography by Jon Meacham to be published by Random House next week, gave voice to sentiments that many long suspected he had harbored but kept private until now out of respect for his son’s independence.

While he continued to praise his son’s handling of the White House, he did tell Mr. Meacham that the younger Bush was responsible for empowering Mr. Cheney and Mr. Rumsfeld and was at times too bellicose in his language.

“I do worry about some of the rhetoric that was out there — some of it his, maybe, and some of it the people around him,” Mr. Bush told Mr. Meacham. “Hot rhetoric is pretty easy to get headlines, but it doesn’t necessarily solve the diplomatic problem.”

Asked for specifics, Mr. Bush cited his son’s State of the Union address in 2002, when he described an “axis of evil” that included Iraq, Iran and North Korea. “You go back to the ‘axis of evil’ and these things and I think that might be historically proved to be not benefiting anything,” he said.

The biography, “Destiny and Power: The American Odyssey of George Herbert Walker Bush,” is coming out as the country is focused once again on the Bush family and its place in the American firmament.

With Jeb Bush, Mr. Bush’s second son, struggling in his campaign for the White House, the family that has held the White House the longest in the modern age now faces the possibility that its time has passed.

But the first George Bush, now 91, has seen his reputation rise again with the passage of time, and Mr. Meacham’s largely admiring biography offers the most definitive account to date about the 41st president. Mr. Meacham, a former editor of Newsweek and a Pulitzer Prize-winning author, spent years doing research for the book, which is based in part on interviews with the former president and diaries he and his wife, Barbara, kept.

In addition to the reviews of Mr. Cheney and Mr. Rumsfeld, the book reveals that the older Mr. Bush suffered from a post-victory despondency after the Persian Gulf war of 1991 — a “letdown” over no longer being involved in such a huge endeavor — that led him to consider not running for a second term. It also reports that Donald J. Trump, now a leading Republican candidate for president, wanted to be Mr. Bush’s running mate in 1988, and that Jeb Bush privately urged him to drop Dan Quayle from the ticket in 1992.

It also describes Mr. Bush’s evolution on issues like same-sex marriage.

While gearing up for his 1988 campaign, Mr. Bush said in his audio diary that Americans “don’t want homosexual marriages codified.” In retirement, he attended a same-sex marriage and in September of this year sent Mr. Meacham a note to clarify his position.

“Personally, I still believe in traditional marriage,” Mr. Bush wrote. “But people should be able to do what they want to do, without discrimination. People have a right to be happy. I guess you could say I have mellowed.”

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 05 Nov 2015 09:24

Su-34 is using newer KAB-1500LG in ops , Check the picture and video

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Video: https://youtu.be/UPebetDTs6Q

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 05 Nov 2015 09:28

Phat rahi hai.....
What Now? Suspicion of ISIS in Sinai Jet Crash Could Bring Strong Russian Retaliation - Nov 04, 2015

a senior U.S. military official in the region told NBC News on Wednesday, it's almost certain that Russia will retaliate "heavily and militarily."

Will this change the decision of BO to send special forces to Syria? It is possible that with little convincing, public will see this action as defending terrorists that blow up planes and kill innocent people. Election dynamic will likely overpower presstitute media in getting public attention to this.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 05 Nov 2015 09:40

Satya_anveshi wrote:Phat rahi hai.....
What Now? Suspicion of ISIS in Sinai Jet Crash Could Bring Strong Russian Retaliation - Nov 04, 2015

a senior U.S. military official in the region told NBC News on Wednesday, it's almost certain that Russia will retaliate "heavily and militarily."
Will this change the decision of BO to send special forces to Syria? It is possible that with little convincing, public will see this action as defending terrorists that blow up planes and kill innocent people. Election dynamic will likely overpower presstitute media in getting public attention to this.

what is the british motivation in poking their nose into this investigation??

do they, along with the amrekis, wish to precipitate something??

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Nov 2015 09:43

In the debris did they find engine parts? Should show signs of explosives if used.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 05 Nov 2015 09:52

ramana wrote:In the debris did they find engine parts? Should show signs of explosives if used.

the west seem very keen to blame it on a bomb so that no suspicion is cast on the aircraft itself.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 05 Nov 2015 09:54

This is a clever dodge to put pressure upon Pres. Fat-al-Sissy! The Brits want to get as much leverage as poss. out of this tragedy,whether it was an ISIS op or just an accident. Scaremongering will hit Wgyptian tourism and aviation hard. Fat Sissy wants Western support to deal with Libyan ISIS agents. Egypt is at the moment up the creek with supporting the Saudis in the Yemen and have gotten closer to Russia and Putin,Mistral and other major defence sales. The Brits want Egypt to "come to heel" as it was in the good old days of colonialism.

By the way there's a splendid book out,"The Automobile club of Cairo",set in the decadent days of the last debauched king,here the whiteman came first in the pecking order. Same author (Alaa-Al-Aswany) of the "Yacoubian building",which was made into a superb film.Both books give a colourful description of Egyptian everyday life.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -news.html
Russian plane crash: US intelligence suggests bomb was planted by Islamic State as Britain suspends Sharm el-Sheikh flights - latest news

It is believed there are up to 20,000 Brits in Sharm El-Sheikh who may have to be evacuated, as pressure placed on Egypt and Russian authorities following No 10 announcement

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 05 Nov 2015 09:57

Ha, these Russians are going to play even dirtier now. Expect something to happen on the Arabian Peninsula.

Anglo-Saxons and Russia are headed for some major conflict in financial markets. There is no way they'll be able to play these kinds of games and keep distance.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 05 Nov 2015 10:20

chetak wrote:
ramana wrote:In the debris did they find engine parts? Should show signs of explosives if used.

the west seem very keen to blame it on a bomb so that no suspicion is cast on the aircraft itself.

Don't rule out that the possibility that before Russian arrive at the same conclusion after 6 months, how US intelligence and their analysis pointed to the result only in few days.We are so advanced and fast and Russians are so slow. This is well observed behavioral trite in certain quarters to take credit for other's effort and/or dilute other people's efforts/achievement.

Further, they may very well be right after all they are the ones mingling with terrorist, arming them, their senators are admitting publicly that they keep in touch with these on daily basis.

Or to downplay SAM angle? How likely is that?

What are the implications if SAM is the cause?

srin · Post by **srin** » 05 Nov 2015 10:30

Here are the default conclusions in first few days of the incidents:
Malaysian aircraft takes off from Amsterdam & crashes over Ukraine: Shot down by Russian missile
Russian aircraft from Egypt & crashes over Egypt: Bomb onboard

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 05 Nov 2015 10:33

Aditya_V wrote:dont Infra red missiles explode near the engine? or the black box data rules that out?

the blackbox recorded data after the damage, if any may be significant. It will not sense the explosion itself per se but the resulting intake pressure or exhaust temp / cabin pressure / airflow variation may give an extrapolated sort of data for interpretation

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 05 Nov 2015 11:09

Interview with RuAF chief on Syrian Air Operation

http://www.kp.ru/daily/26453/3324432/

In an interview with military commentator Viktor Barantsov Colonel-General summed up the first results of operations of our troops in Syria

Commander Air Force Space Russian Col. Gen. Viktor Bondarev.

Sham bombing

- Viktor, how do you understand the meaning of the tragic events in Syria?

- A number of countries using the so-called "moderate" (and in fact - illegal) armed opposition attempted to overthrow the Assad regime. But they miscalculated. Apparently, the thought is a little bit more to press the Assad regime and its army - and the trick is done. Press, possibly via LIH.

- But airplanes US and its allies bombed more than a year "Islamkoe state" (the SG organizations banned in Russia - Ed.) ...

- Yes, the "bomb" so that the IG first took control of 30%, then almost 75% of Syrian territory, together with the large oil fields! It was a sham, an imitation of the fight against terrorists. In this "moderate" opposition silenok not enough to topple Assad. We heard that coalition aircraft bombed LIH, but no one has seen the results. And if the law of the Syrian authorities igilovtsam surrendered, then their ranks have increased several times.

- I saw you near Orenburg on September exercises "Center-2015", which was attended by the President, the Minister of Defence, Chief of General Staff. According to legend, these teachings against major terrorist groups used our air. You then looked through binoculars at hitting their pilots on "terrorists" in the Orenburg fields and Syria have already seen?

- Of course, I (and not only me!) Knew that our commander in chief to look at the development of the events in Syria will not be easy. Because it ultimately will turn against Russia. Therefore, everything was clear, everything was predictable. I think that for Russia this option is much better than we would have waited for the whole gang come to our borders.

- Why did you decide to use primarily airplanes and helicopters of our air and space forces in Syria, which was the idea here?

- And what was even apply? Shoot missiles every day? It is very expensive. And because IGILovtsy - is highly mobile gangster mob. They are in cars, on bikes, on donkeys move. Behind them on the tanks do not scolding. After each strike, they change positions. Another thing - aviation. On this basis, and decides that our military equipment, which is there.

START

- How to start training air operations?

- We have calculated all possible threats. We have to put not only fighters, attack planes, bombers, helicopters and anti-aircraft missile systems. Because there may be different kinds of force majeure. For example, the hijacking of combat aircraft in the territory of neighboring states with Syria and to strike at us. And for this we must be prepared.

- As our planes and helicopters traveled to Syria?

- Aircraft flew themselves, helicopters transported. Because the combat radius of the helicopter did not have enough to go fly.

- You did not have intelligence that the Americans got wind of our transfer of military equipment to Syria?

- We have brought down their confused ...

- How exactly?

- We will not disclose our kitchen strategic cover ...

Red circle

- And yet, shortly before the start of the operation (30 September - Ed.), One of the generals of the Pentagon declared that "Russian planes and they are ready in the coming days may start bobmezhki" ... It was the objective information?

- In principle, we were ready to start in 3 hours.

- After landing?

- Yes sir.

- Or maybe they just pretended not to notice the transfer of our military equipment?

- I do not think. Our appearance in Syria and the beginning of the air operation radically broke their plans in this strategically important region. The Russian army in just the last two years has become different. We began to receive 250 aircraft and helicopters a year! Has changed and the system of combat training. Since 2012, the year we went unannounced inspections, who taught us so much. After all, the enemy before the attack does not send a telegram when and in what area would invade Russia. A spot checks allow us to understand to what extent the real readiness of the army is. We can now assemble to perform combat tasks in the minimum time. All of this predetermined the "zeal" with which we have worked in Syria ... It is not because we are so steep peppers and ready to move into battle rush. And because of that carefully studied all the infrastructure and areas of deployment of LIH. We carefully conducted reconnaissance, we received information. Aircrew sat in classrooms, study areas for upcoming activities. We have studied all the "sensitive" to the civilian population of Syria places. It mosques, schools, holy places, hospitals, maternity homes, and schools. We have them marked with red circles. To get there in any case did not fall, no bomb ....

- Litter on the map?

- Yes, each pilot on the map departure.

- That was before the operation?

- Of course. Because otherwise we had no right to behave.

- You can call the number of our aircraft and helicopters, air support actions of the Syrian government army?

- There are more than 50 aircraft and helicopters. That's as much as we need. More is not necessary.

- On what basis were selected pilots, navigators, technicians to work in Syria?

- First of all, we were selected those with combat experience. And then all the mans who had the highest training.

- How do you assess the level of professionalism of the pilots?

- I am pleased, I am proud of my pilots.

- What was roughly the average annual raid these aces before your surgery?

- It was the end of September, so the plaque pilots almost all - 100 hours. And given that they are there to be significantly more plaque.

SYRIA seen from ARBAT

- Do Commander aerospace forces have the ability to see and Syria, and their means of air space?

- Yes there is.

- When do you come to the defense of the National Control Center, where online you see?

- What for? I have my own point of management is. I'm here and all that is needed, see ...

- Right here in the Main Command?

- Yes. We only need to go to another room ...

- As our pilots in Syria are informed about the positions of LIH and other terrorist groups?

- First, it is space, of course. Second - it's drones. The third - a reconnaissance aircraft. Progress and timely information on human intelligence. Therefore, every goal, every task that is put, we carefully check, check with local leaders, the generals of the Syrian armed forces, and then make a decision on each object.

- Media US and other NATO countries regularly report that Russian planes struck civilians. How do you react to this information?

- I can say 100% that it can not be. And the fact that the Americans and their henchmen there invent - to be expected. Nonsense - their information weapons. They are by all means necessary to discredit our work. We are conducting it transparently - show the world every day. Or take the work of American pilots in Afghanistan. They do not show it at all! And what they show? How do they "mistakenly" Afghan wedding or a hospital was bombed?

- If IG undermine any peaceful purpose and would say that this Russian did what we cover?

- And we have the coordinates of each goal, we have an objective control.

- You are ready to present the "accusers"?

- We are ready to provide data for any purpose, any object on which we beat. By the way, the bandits from LIH collect children, dumped them in the camp and begin to prepare them to suicide or saboteurs. They hide behind their children.

TACTICS

- How did the intensity of our air strikes on the IG?

- The first day we 9 strokes caused. And then it came to 80 strokes. In the current average of 50-60 beats per day.

- Formation LIH change tactics. They began to cling to peaceful settlements, mosques and hospitals. This forces our pilots to take into account such circumstances?

- Of course.

- How?

- They have to beat your opponent more accurately. On the other hand, it is even a plus that the terrorists are now run away from all these roadblocks, making way for the Syrian army. They have nowhere to go, they are well aware that we have a stationary object is destroyed. The small village, they do not take, because the Syrian army suits, these villages are easily exposed to artillery. And gangsters are forced to concentrate in large cities or towns. This, again, is playing against them.

- Why?

- Because of the Syrian army is easier to cordon off a large city and there to finish his business for us ... And the only problem - there should be a filigree pilot that at sensitive places for peaceful Syrians not to strike.

- How is this filigree?

- First of all, intelligence. Second, carefully calculated every flight, to study each goal, calculated coordinates of the target, score all in the car. In the car, cross-checked several times. Then, when the pilot leaves the target and have any slightest doubt that will undershoot or flight, it simply performs re-entry and then running. So many levels of protection do not allow the pilot to make a mistake.

- How we were able to divide the Syrian airspace from the Americans?

- You know, it's probably the only item or an agreed solution on which both the Americans and we went and signed a memorandum on the use of airspace.

- Force of Syria, Iran, Iraq engaged in combat with our planes?

- Yes, the Syrian pilots involved - and army aviation, and aircraft strike aircraft. Iraqis on its territory are also involved.

- And how do you assess their professional opportunities?

- What can I say ... They technique too old compared to ours. But with combat experience, they have also tightened their results, they work well.

- They were trained in Russia?

- Yes, almost everything. However, in the end, they had their flight school, but basically they are our graduates.

- We have a single coordinating headquarters there with your representative who coordinates the action air?

- Yes of course.

- This general is a colonel?

- General.

Fake foe

- Some foreign media reported downed Russian planes and helicopters, even video showed. What can you say?

- I'll tell you what they want to wishful thinking. Pprimtivnye fakes. Thank God, today we have no losses.

- How often do you receive information about the state of our wing?

- Every day, I start to work with this. At 8 am reported to me.

- One of the US newspaper reported that in one case the terrorists managed to fire from rocket artillery airfield, another airport security allegedly suffered heavy casualties in the attack squad LIH. It was an attack on the airfield?

- No, the attack on the airport was not. Thank God, all alive, no fighter we have not lost.

BATTLE LANDSCAPE

- Syria has a very specific landscape, there are sandstorms. All of these features as you take into account the work of their combat pilots?

- Yes, in Syria, especially closer to the sea, it has a rugged landscape, a bit hilly, overgrown with vegetation. But on the whole territory of Syria - almost flat sandy steppe zone, more than a desert. Therefore, the main task of the Syrians - knock them out of the mountain woodland and then move on to the plain.

- But there are strong sandstorms, they say, by the end of the year may zapylit ...

- Now there is the rainy season begins, and almost a day goes by that there was a thunderstorm. Mostly, it happens during the day. Therefore, we, of course, we will work night. While we, in principle, no difference - that day, that night.

- What are the relations of the civilian population of Syria and our pilots?

- Syrians are well aware of where the airfield from which we operate. We were there for a long time, and no cases of complaints from the Syrians. I am 100% sure that this will continue.

- The work of our airplanes and helicopters in Syria - it is also, perhaps, a kind of laboratory test of our combat equipment under actual combat conditions?

- Of course. We check all the equipment that is there, its capabilities. We check the means of destruction, how they behave in a particular situation. Naturally, we can not leave the whole thing without analysis, without learning, without further improvement, etc.

- It has been reported that on one of our military plants already operate in three shifts ... Ostensibly our pilots in Syria missiles is not enough ...

- Bullshit! I'm still none the director of the enterprise did not call and did not say that, well, run out of steam.

- How do you assess the effectiveness of this weapon?

- I believe that a great weapon, it has proven itself well. No wonder that it and other countries are purchasing. Therefore, no complaints. Is that from those that weapon has ...

- And what is there for the event was when our plane flew into the airspace of Turkey? Because of what such a loud noise and hubbub rose?

- There's our aircraft to perform combat missions in northern Syria. It was a very dense clouds. When our fighter began to pass along the border with Turkey, the instrument showed that any ground-based air defenses are trying to do the capture of a combat vehicle. Because the pilot was forced to make in a few seconds the missile maneuver. Well, a bit climbed to the Turkish sky. What do we honestly and recognized ...

PREMIER

- Syrian generals say that the successes of their troops on the ground is largely determined by the efficiency of the actions of the Russian aircraft, which clears the way. What do you think of for such a compliment?

- How deserved. Today military science provides that initially must bear the air strikes, precision weapons to avoid unnecessary losses. What is the advantage of aviation? Firstly, it is highly mobile species. For example, after the detection of targets we can to score a hit in 5 minutes, if the area of the duty in the air working, or 15-20 minutes from the airport. When the result can be seen at the bottom of the panic occurs, etc. This is the first. Second. It's no secret that the most terrible thing for those who are at the bottom of this hopelessness, powerlessness before that they beat you and you can not do anything against it. All this anger grows into a rash missteps that the end result provide good support infantry.

- The use of our military aviation in Syria - is, in essence, the premier air and space forces. This is actually the first part videoconferencing in real war conditions.

- Yes. After August 1 the first participation.

- How do you assess the "premiere"?

- Of course, the power of our species troops increased. The Supreme Commander of combined into one "fist" and space and air defense, aviation and absolutely correct. That is, all areas captured. And now there is a running total of the huge "economy", including in Syria ...

- What do you want to finally tell his subordinates in Syria from the pages of "Komsomolskaya Pravda"?

- I would like to especially thank our pilots, engineers, air defense experts for their excellent work there. I would like to say a word of immense gratitude to their families, because they realize that their husbands, sons, brothers do it is very important. I am very pleased that there is no complaint, no failure, no one wishes to go there. And I would like to thank the leadership of the country and the Ministry of Defense, because we have excellent technology and can solve any problem, which we will supply.

PRIVATE BUSSINESS

Viktor Bondarev

Colonel-General. Born December 7, 1959, in the village of Novobogoroditskoe Peter and Paul district of Voronezh region.

He graduated from the Borisoglebsk Higher Military Aviation School, Gagarin Air Force Academy, the Military Academy of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces. Since 2009 - Deputy Commander of the Air Force, from July 2011 - Chief of Staff - First Deputy Commander of the Air Force of Russia. From May 2012 - Chief of the Air Force. On August 1, 2015 - Commander of aerospace forces.
Hero of the Russian Federation. The title was awarded for bravery and heroism in the performance of military duty under conditions involving a risk to life. He was awarded the Order of Courage, "For Service to Motherland in the Armed Forces» III degree and a number of medals.

* Banned in Russia Organization

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 05 Nov 2015 11:15

^^ He mentions in the interview the Aircraft enter Turkish Airspace because some ground based radar was trying to lock the aircraft which was seen by aircraft instrument and the pilot had to manouver in order to avoid being captured by radar and entered Turkish Airspace briefly

excerpts from above interview

- And what is there for the event was when our plane flew into the airspace of Turkey? Because of what such a loud noise and hubbub rose?

- There's our aircraft to perform combat missions in northern Syria. It was a very dense clouds. When our fighter began to pass along the border with Turkey, the instrument showed that any ground-based air defenses are trying to do the capture of a combat vehicle. Because the pilot was forced to make in a few seconds the missile maneuver. Well, a bit climbed to the Turkish sky. What do we honestly and recognized ...

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 05 Nov 2015 11:38

Russian jet was avoiding air defense system when it entered Turkish airspace in October - Air Force

https://www.rt.com/news/320803-russian- ... -airspace/

A Russian fighter jet was forced to enter Turkish airspace in early October while performing an evasive maneuver against a surface-to-air missile system, the commander of Russia’s Air Force said.

“Our fighter jet was on a combat mission in Northern Syria in very dense cloud conditions. When the aircraft was passing along the Turkish border, the onboard equipment set off an alarm indicating the plane was being targeted by some kind of air defense system,” Commander-in-Chief Viktor Bondarev told Komsomolskaya Pravda daily.

“The pilot had to take a split-second decision to perform an anti-missile maneuver. Well, [the plane] went a little bit into Turkish airspace. We acknowledged it frankly,” Bondarev added.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 05 Nov 2015 11:39

Since Turkish has employed Patriot System , probably the Su-30 was targetted by AD systems from Turkey.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 05 Nov 2015 12:34

The "Moron-of Cam" yet again shown up to be a prize ignoramus.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bri ... 19966.html

British leaders feel the phantom muscle of empire twitch on Syria
This is not about being against war. It’s about being against making terrible wars worse

Matthew Norman
@IndyVoices
Tuesday 3 November 2015
Cameron has made no real attempt to explain what, beyond killing very nasty people, he perceives as his strategic intent Getty

Whatever the weather, wherever you may be reading this, the metaphorical fog is lifting. It has hung densely over us for decades, denying generations of leaders the visibility to see Britain’s place in the world in clear perspective. Now we begin to see where we are. Nowhere.

The Nowhere Man of the hour, David Cameron, insists his U-turn over his latest masterplan for Syria is nothing of the kind. Technically he is right. Post-traumatic stress from the Commons defeat in 2013 led him to pre-empt this reverse by stating there would be no vote on bombing Isis (or Isil, or Islamic State, or Daesh, or whatever we’re calling them this week) unless he was sure of winning it.

Yet if it isn’t a U-turn, it is certainly another grave embarrassment. A Prime Minister supposedly cresting the wave of a sensational election win, and facing an opposition in turmoil, shies away from trying to convince the Commons that bombing Isis is a more spiffing idea now than bombing Assad’s forces was just two years ago.

The explanation for such stubborn scepticism goes beyond the obvious aftermaths of previous adventures in Iraq and Libya. Cameron has made no real attempt to explain what, beyond killing very nasty people, he perceives as his strategic intent. Since he is mute, we turn for guidance to the report of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee chaired by Crispin Blunt.

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Why the Russian air strikes in Syria could pose a threat to Turkey

Until now, he was best known for a) leaving his wife to come out as gay, which for a Tory MP must have taken some guts; and b) being a strong contender for the catchy title of UK’s Leading Middle East Expert Moonlighting as a Hollywood Uncle (Emily Blunt is his niece). His only rival, for the record, is our own Patrick Cockburn, uncle to the glorious Olivia Wilde.

Crispin Blunt now emerges as a champion of both common sense and nominative determinism, by crisply and bluntly deconstructing the vacuity of Cameron’s warlord ambitions. “We believe that there should be no extension of British military action into Syria unless there is a coherent international strategy that has a realistic chance of defeating Isis and ending the civil war,” runs his report. “In the absence of such a strategy, taking action to meet the desire to do something is incoherent.”

Beautifully put. If you rendered Cameron to Damascus, had a couple of Assad’s gorillas strap electrodes to his cobblers, pumped whatever truth drug the CIA is peddling these days into his veins, threatened him with a little light waterboarding, and then courteously invited him to explain his thinking, what on earth could he say? What he couldn’t say is that the urge to bomb Isis stems from a craving to help the benighted of Syria. If that were so, after all, he would not have been so slow to offer those fleeing the horror (and then ungraciously for so few) sanctuary in Britain. All he could say is: “Gosh, um, it’s, erm... Look, isn’t it better to do something than nothing?”

No, it is not. Almost invariably in that region, it is better to do nothing than something. And doing nothing is the hard option. You can never show off an alternate timeline in which doing nothing resulted in a better situation. It requires strength because you know how easily it is mistaken for weakness.

Doing something, when something means dropping bombs with minimal risk of military casualties, is the cowardly choice.
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He might also say this: “I know cuts to defence spending mean that any RAF presence above Syria would be largely symbolic. I know taking out Isis fighters from on high is a form of pest control, and that we have little idea what infestations would fill the void. I also know there is a danger of starting a proxy war with Russia should our fighter pilots bump into theirs in the skies.

“I know this is ill considered, foolish and almost inevitably counter-productive, but I need to feel relevant on the global stage. What I want – what I really, really want – is to be in the big boy’s game.”

And there, in a Spice Girls’ nutshell, is the story of British foreign policy these past 60 years. The crushing humiliation of Eden being ordered by a livid Eisenhower to remove his troops from Suez; the preposterous waste of human life to recover a barren rock in the South Atlantic in sovereignty’s name; the cataclysmic neo-colonial power trip in Iraq; the infantile error of judgment that unleashed hell in Libya...

Time and again, British leaders have felt the phantom muscle twitch in the amputated limb of Empire and lashed out to cling to the fantasy of Great Power status that was lost in 1945, when FDR and Stalin seated Churchill far below the salt at the post-war banqueting table.

Few seriously expect, or even want, Britain to be a pacifist nation. This is not about being against war, it’s about being against making terrible wars worse.

What we are entitled to expect from a Prime Minister is an appreciation of the world not as he dreams it should be, but as it is: an appreciation, in this case, that there can be no hope of a solution in Syria unless the West works with people it does not like in the forms of Vladimir Putin and Iran. Cameron probably isn’t mad about the Kazakh dictator Nursultan Nazarbayev or President Sisi of Egypt either, but he seems content to host their imminent visits.

Having neither the materiel nor the public will, let alone the moral authority, to fight, we are entitled to a PM with the maturity to develop a doctrinal foreign policy predicated on Britain being an agent of diplomacy rather than destruction.

The age of inflaming conflicts of Byzantine complexity because doing something daft is better than doing nothing is over.

Cameron can try to disguise it with his empty swagger about huge phallic bombs, but for the impotence which afflicts Britain there is no blue pill.

PS:What's the latest about the black box indicating an engine explosion?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 05 Nov 2015 18:16

Sinai plane crash: Russia and Egypt urge caution on bomb theory

Russia and Egypt have urged caution over suggestions that a Russian airliner that crashed in Sinai killing 224 passengers may have been bombed.
Russia said such theories were "speculation", while Egypt said there was "no evidence" yet to support them.
US and UK officials say intelligence suggests the plane may have been bombed. The UK has suspended flights to and from Sharm el-Sheikh.
Militants linked to Islamic State have claimed they brought the plane down ..........................................

habal · Post by **habal** » 05 Nov 2015 18:58

Leith abu fadel is a journalist based in Syria. his tweets are very indicative of ground situation.

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Leith Abou Fadel ‏@leithfadel
I don't care who this offends: Hezbollah is the strongest force on the ground in Syria. I never worry when they are present at a battle.

Hezb are amazing, one of the strongest paramilitaries in the world. Israeli's and AMericans are not enjoying the vids of Zabadani. Pretty clear that they would be losing against Hezb in urban fighting.

Peto Lucem ‏@PetoLucem

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#SAA Reenters the Strategic Town of #Morek With the Help of #Hezbollah: http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-syrian-army-reenters-the-strategic-town-of-morek-with-the-help-of-hezbollah/ … via @thearabsource @leithfadel

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 05 Nov 2015 19:11

25,000-30,000 Foreign Fighters Fight for ISIL - Deputy Defense Minister - Nov 04 2015

Iranian Planes Bring Iraqi Volunteer Battalion to Fight ISIL in Syria = Nov 05 2015

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 05 Nov 2015 20:03

Chetak - the British worry about a bomb because there are thousands of British nationals on vacation in sharm and one mess up on security will be too much of a political hot potato

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 05 Nov 2015 21:25

US strength not just through 'occupying countries' & 'firing missiles' - Obama - Nov 05 2015

“The measure of strength internationally is not simply by how many countries we're occupying, or how many missiles we're firing, but the strength of our diplomacy and the strength of our commitment to human rights and our belief that we've got to cooperate with other countries together to solve massive problems like terrorism, but also like climate change,” the Washington Examiner cited Barack Obama as saying on Wednesday while addressing a 350-person fundraiser in Potomac, Maryland.

Militarily occupying countries and firing missiles that have also killed scores of innocents is strength of diplomacy??? global warming is cooling and cooling is because of warming.

“I believe in American exceptionalism with every fiber of my being. But what makes us exceptional is not our ability to flout international norms and the rule of law; it’s our willingness to affirm them through our actions,” Obama stated.

If there is contest to pack most profound lies in fewest number of words I think the above will easily qualify and might even win the prize for BO just as he won Nobel peace prize without having to show anything. Yeah...exceptional indeed!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Nov 2015 21:55

Jimmy carter was the first US President who used Human Rights as another weapon in US arsenal and selectively hit the opponents. Since then it has been used as another missile by US administrations.

If US truly believed in Human rights they would not have imprisoned so many blacks and killed so many blacks in police shootings all over America without a single person going to jail for gross abuse.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 05 Nov 2015 22:07

A bit OT but to provide complete perspective on amerikan exceptionalism nuisance (in addition to being a myth):

The Myth of American Exceptionalism

Vladimir Putin recently said America is not exceptional, and the flag-draped idiocracy has gone nuts. How dare he! And Putin's history of brutal lawlessness became hotly discussed, which is what's called an "Ad Hominem" attack - rather than argue the point, attack the speaker. And with Putin there is so much to attack! The guy is a jerk. But what about the whole "exceptionalism" thing?

Now, I've never understood the concept of "American Exceptionalism." What is it, exactly, that we are an exception to? It seems to mean, basically, that whatever rules apply to all other countries should not apply to us. No one should have nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons - except us, and we can use them whenever we like. Offensive military action, attacking a country that has not attacked you, is absolutely wrong... except when we do it. Then it's unquestioningly hunky-dory. No country should interfere with the internal political workings of another country, try to influence its elections, or assassinate its elected leaders without declaring war. Except the United States, which has used all those weapons and more to undermined every government - democratically elected or not - that we cannot profit from. "American Exceptionalism" is simply the belief that internationally recognized rules, morals, and ethics should apply to everyone - except the United States. I'm sure every country would love to have the same exceptionalism, but they are not strong enough to impose their will on just about everyone else. So instead we are despised for openly demanding that every other country accept that the U.S. is special, exceptional, and fundamentally better than they.

The U.S. has always had two things that make us special, and have dictated our rise to dominance - the Atlantic and the Pacific. That's it. We have oceans that divide us from our major industrialized enemies. This means that in both of the major wars of the 20th century our factories didn't get bombed. Really, that's it. Every other industrial nation had their factories destroyed, and lost a lot of their skilled workforce. The U.S. - which also entered both wars after much of the damage had been done - didn't suffer industrial collapse, and after each war benefitted by becoming the factory for the rest of the world. Basic consumer items were "Made in America" because it was very difficult to make them anywhere else, and the world was happy to buy them from us. Our economy boomed because our factories hadn't been bombed, and they hadn't been bombed because we have these two big oceans on either side. It's nothing inherent in the American soul or mind, no special spirit, no divine providence, no exceptionalism. Our factories didn't get bombed, and theirs did. And our economic slide began in the late 60's, when they finished rebuilding their factories. So there is nothing exceptional about our economy, or our economic theories, or our way of life.

And, despite our militarism, our military isn't exceptional, either. Historically the U.S. has actually been very select about waging war. History: In WWII England declared war on Nazi Germany, France declared war on Nazi Germany, the U.S.... didn't. We waited until Germany declared war on us, years later, after our "allies" had been devastated. That's how important defeating Fascism was to America. In WWI we didn't enter it until the war was almost over. In the war against Spain we declared war on a poor nation who's empire was collapsing as colonial rebels fought for freedom... and the U.S. spent more time and money fighting against those Freedom Fighters than we did against the Spanish. The war on Mexico? We took land from a poor, weak country. Vietnam? Somalia? Iraq? Afghanistan? And don't get me started on the Indian Wars. I'm no militarist, but Alexander the Great took on the freakin' Persians! Rome fought Carthage, the Moors took on the Mediterranean Basin, the Irish took on the British, the British took on Napoleon, and Napoleon took on the rest of Europe. Geronimo took on the United States. The Mongols took on the world. American Military prestige is built on not fighting major powers at their height, on fighting small powers, or coming into major wars late.

And with our history of spying on,blacklisting, jailing, and killing law-abiding unionists, civil rights activists, environmentalists, feminists, Anarchists, Communists, and Socialists, and with the evolving story about how extensive the NSA's spying on us has been, how craven our elected officials have been in the face of it, or how journalists have been and continue to be jailed for reporting on our government's misdeeds, one certainly can't say our freedoms are exceptional. They can be ignored by the government just like the rights of the citizens of every other country.

And in a time of monarchy was our democratic founding exceptional? Remember: the Founders didn't want independence right off the bat, they wanted something like Home Rule. And when they did get independence there was a movement to make Washington "President for Life," i.e. king - like so many other countries had. Except the Swiss. They've have had democracy for almost 800 years. If our democracy makes us exceptional should that make them extra-super exceptional?

No, it shouldn't, because no country is exceptional. America is just another country which benefitted from an accident of geography. Heck, if the colonies had been a bit closer to England the American rebellion (I can't say "our rebellion" since my ancestors were, at that time, enslaved by those fighting for "freedom") probably would have been crushed like the rebellions in Scotland and Ireland. So jumping up and down about how "exceptional" America is strikes my as pointless. Egypt thought it was exceptional, so did Persia, so did Rome. So did England at their height, and so did Japan before their fall. So did Germany. So did the U.S.S.R.

I'm not saying the United States isn't neat, or that I'd want to live anywhere else. I like lotsa stuff about my country! I like the free public schools, the clean water, and the clean-ish air. I like the lack of dead bodies in the street. Of course right now there are those want to privatize education, de-fund the whole water and air cleaning thing, and give everyone guns, but that's beside the point. There are a lot of great things about my country, but insisting on being exceptional isn't one of them. In fact, given the history of Great Powers, our trumpeting our exceptionalism is, ironically, rather typical.

Instead of demanding special treatment from the world, perhaps we should focus on making this country the best we can, helping those most in need, investing in creating an environmentally sustainable economy to hand on to our children, and emphasizing peaceful conflict resolution rather than threatening to hurl missiles at anyone we don't like. That is how we can be, if not exceptional, at least admirable.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Nov 2015 22:16

American Exceptionalism is the idea that people can form a state without a king in the modern world.
In other words America is the first Western state formed without a feudal system.
This is the great exceptionalism.
Even Romans had to breakdown and resort to Imperialism from their City state during Octavius rule.
The Greeks never went beyond city states.
This non-feudal state idea caught like wild fire and triggered French Revolution and the modern world.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 05 Nov 2015 22:22

That claim is shattered due to the facts mentioned in previous article:

>>>And in a time of monarchy was our democratic founding exceptional? Remember: the Founders didn't want independence right off the bat, they wanted something like Home Rule. And when they did get independence there was a movement to make Washington "President for Life," i.e. king - like so many other countries had. Except the Swiss. They've have had democracy for almost 800 years. If our democracy makes us exceptional should that make them extra-super exceptional?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Nov 2015 23:06

Now France to deploy aircraft carrier Charles De Gaulle to Syria.

Looks like return of Gun Boat diplomacy.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 06 Nov 2015 00:21

American Exceptionalism - possible first use:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_ ... le.2C_1831

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 06 Nov 2015 01:10

Syrian Army Takes Control of Huge Area in Aleppo Province

With the support of Russian airstrikes, the Syrian Army has taken control of approximately 250 square kilometers in Aleppo province.

"Operation Army ATS continues in the south-eastern province of Aleppo," said Latakia representative of the Syrian Army, Brigadier General Ali Mayhoub, according to RIA Novosti. "In cooperation with civil defense groups we control more than 250 square kilometers, and returned stability in dozens of villages and towns in the region."

"The army in collaboration with the civil defense forces managed to open the way to Aleppo…to ensure the safe passage of this important route," Mayhoub added.
The general also said that terrorists sustained a large number of casualties and loss of equipment.

"Also, our army has strengthened control over the strategic height of Mraga and working to expand its control of the area. In addition, the air force is delivering pinpoint strikes against concentrates of IS and al-Nusra terrorist groups in the vicinity of the airport and near Kueres military air school in the village of Umm Arkile," Mayhoub said.

Also on Thursday, Syrian government forces gained a key hill in a northern suburb of the capital of Damascus. The Syrian Army has captured al-Mashtal Heights, as well as a number of buildings in the suburb of Harast.

A large number of foreign fighters have also been killed in Damascus' southwestern suburb of Darayya.
The Syrian Army is now making a "serious advance" toward the ancient city of Palmyra.
"Our armed forces have taken control over two heights in the Homs Province. We have also made serious advance toward the city of Pal myra near al-Barayat," Mayhoub added. "Islamic State terrirst sustained heavy losses. Six vehicles and over 25 terrorists have been killed in the western outskirts of the Mheen village."

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 06 Nov 2015 02:20

Congressman Dana Rohrabacher does Senator Lindsay Graham.

Congressman Dana Rohrabacher: Russians were supposed to be our friends; we give them hostilities < link to video>