Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

[member_27845]

what is the diversity, income disparity and ethno/religious tinderbox in switzerland? almost zero. they dont take in immigrants or refugees.

The point is , its not just about gun ownership alone

BTW , Switzerland has taken in quite a no of migrants from Bosnia / Slovakia etc , you can see these guys roaming around doing nothing and generally milking the social security system to the hilt ( plus having a large no of children , which actually helps them get even more benefits )

[Austin]

If ISIS is a US state creation, why can these attacks not be considered ISIS actions in co-ordination with the US? France was the last Eurozone country to close its borders and that too after the attacks last night.

It may be but it looks like ISIS was created with Saudi by US to rip off Assad ( as FSA proved useless ) and then to keep Saudi happy to gain ground in Shia controlled Iraq

As with terrorism when they grow stronger they get mind of their own and eventually they get back to west like Osama did.

[deejay]

Relevant here so posting it :

https://twitter.com/TRACterrorism/statu ... 2774529024

TRACterrorism.org
‏@TRACterrorism
#ParisAttacks ISIS blog account just posted the following:

[JE Menon]

Just allowing people to carry arms, as some members are suggesting, is absolutely the best way to create chaos in society. The Americans are doing it. Don't stand in their way. Technology has changed since the 19th century. The argument put forward by the trump and the newt are plain idiotic. All it does is raise potential for many more bloodbaths. It is the job of the police to enforce law and order. The easy recourse to vigilantism, which seems to be what these two dunderheads are promoting, is for the Americans to decide. None of our business. As I said, we don't need to stand in their way. But shyte is going to get funny with the aging white population with the cash, and a lot of others wandering about with "concealed carry" permits, and law-enforcement posing like the military. The local population will have nowhere to go but Mexico or Canada.

[Philip]

One cannot express in words one's feelings at this barbaric inhuman acts of diabolic terror in Paris,a city that is one of my favourite cities. Perpetrated by sick demented cowards masquerading as Islamic heroes ,these latest acts of mass terror must be laid at the door of the sponsors and sympathisers who have created this monster,the Saudis,Qataris,Gulf oilygarchs and Yanqui puppeteers.

The similarities behind these attacks in Pris and the Bombay/Mumbai attacks are not a coincidence either.They stem from the mother of all terrorist entities,Pkistan,where terrorists their teeth" in l;earning the arts and crafts of suicide bombing and graduating from the "school of terror " that Pak has become.

The Western world ahs also been partly responsible for endangering its own sociiiiiieties by recklessly invading the Middle East under American directive and Europe is now at the receiving end for being part of the US led "posse" in the so-called war on terror that Bush,BLiar and the Yanqui neo-cons launched in Iraq,. French bombing of targets in Syria,etc. has put it firmly in the sights of the ungodly. But having created the monster,it is past time for the West to swallow their prode and cooperate with Putin and Russia in dealing a decisive death blow to ISIS and its sponsors.

The envoys of Saudi A,and its fellow sheikhdoms and principalities in partnership promoting Sunni ,Wahaabi fundamentalism must have the riot act read out to them and a grave warning that if further attacks continue,then bombs will fall in their countries taking out their sponsors.

The French have an indomitable patriotic spirit.They sang at the stadium of the disrupted match that Hollande was attending ,the French national anthem before leaving.Vive la France!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2 ... ve-updates
Paris attacks: Hollande holds Islamic State responsible for 'act of war' – live

Hollande says attacks killed 127. Almost 100 more injured
Eight terrorists killed, seven of them by detonating suicide belts
Hollande vows strong response to co-ordinated attacksWho carried out the Paris attacks? Here are the prime suspects

PS:This spells the death knell for M.Hollande's presidency.He must do the decent thing and resign.He is a most ridiculed figure in France even before the latest outrage took place.
He has been far too busy bicycling in stealth to his mistress' boudoir then in pursuing the threat of Islamist terror in France.His toadyism towards the US is another grave error in judgement on his part. Joining in the asinine campaigns of war of the US and co. against ME potentates in trying to redraw the map of the Middle East to suit their selfish interests has been a calamitous and catastrophic failure. France needs a De Gaulle at the helm of affairs of state not a poodle in heat.

PPS:Now Gatwick airport in the UK,London's second gateway,has been evacuated upon fears of a terror strike as the UK braces itself for more attacks on its soil.

[AbhiJ]

At least 39 dead tonight in Paris terror atacks. 250k dead in Syria & Iraq. Both a direct result of US, UK, France feeding Sunni extremists.

https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/st ... 9660049408

Indian narrative should be brought to attention of Wikileaks.

[rahulm]

Few terrorist tactics or targets are ever entirely original, but a combination of different elements can often be innovatory. The tactics adopted in Paris have been seen in many earlier strikes, but particularly recall those used by attackers in Mumbai, India’s commercial capital, in 2008. They hit hotels, cafes, a Jewish centre and commuters. Since then, security services have worried about a similar operation in the west.

from http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/n ... -operation

ISIS has claimed responsibility for attack.Many similarities (and differences) with Mumbai which was state sponsored and directed. So has ISIS drawn inspiration or has TSP promoted itself to being the Chairman from being the gunman or mabe the Non-executive Director?

[shiv]

This hasn't resulted in any major gun related crimes in Switzerland , on the contrary it is one of the safest places on earth

America, the source of such logic has failed to use science where the gun lobby prevents the use of scientific study. If you look at two societies - one with free access to guns and the other with no guns - only knives and stones and compare the success rate of attacks in causing deaths in attempted murders or attempted suicide in those two societies we get a better idea of whether free access to guns are safer or less safe.

I would (empirically, without any proof) say that a society with free access to guns will show a greater success rate (ratio of deaths to total incidents) in achieving a death in cases of crime/suicide than a society without guns.

Another statistic I would like to see from America is the proportion of gun threat/ shooting incidents that were ended (not prevented - anyone can claim that he prevented a shooting) by gun wielding vigilantes rather than by the police. For a country with 250 million guns very very few gun crimes seem to be ended by lay people with guns. That is partly because guns cause death before people can react and by the time anyone reacts people are already dead and criminals with guns know this and are ready for this.

The fact that New Zealand and Switzerland are safe has no bearing on the fact that if you want to cause instant death at a distance, nothing like a gun. The US is full of people who talk about "one shot kill" and "stopping power" for self defence, making 9 mm handguns popular, and people discuss how quickly and where you have to shoot in case you are attacked. And because even criminals understand these things the police in America simply have to be well armed and brutal. And when they are brutal they are really brutal.

No. I don't agree with the logic of having well armed civilians in marriage halls, markets and theaters but this is not the thread for it. I brought it up only because I heard one of the tired old arguments made by American gun lobbyists.

The Paris attacks were by terrorists with automatic weapons attacking huge crowds of unarmed people with guns AND suicide vests. Claiming that armed civilians would be good is simply a digression from the issue to a matter of internal political debate in America.

[Philip]

Rahul,the TSP is the global univ and school for Islamic terrorists,where they learn about the dark arts of terror and "cut their teeth" in Afghanistan,etc. Paris is the symptom of the disease.The labs where the Islamic terror virus is being cultured are in Saudi Arabia,Pak,Qatar and other oilygarch sheikhdoms,sponsors of Wahaabi jihadism.The West should now combine with Russia-which just lost 200+ of its citizens in the act of air terror in the Sinai,and bomb the daylights out of Riyadh,Islamabad,Doha ,etc. But that needs the Americans to also change their attitude of "hunting with the hounds and running with the hares." It is their sponsorship of Islamic terror that started way back in Afghanistan during the Soviet era that gave birth to OBL,9/11,etc.,etc.,and now the most virulent strain of the terror disease,ISIS.

[UlanBatori]

America, the source of such logic has failed to use science where the gun lobby prevents the use of scientific study. If you look at two societies - one with free access to guns and the other with no guns - only knives and stones and compare the success rate of attacks in causing deaths in attempted murders or attempted suicide in those two societies we get a better idea of whether free access to guns are safer or less safe.
I would (empirically, without any proof) say that a society with free access to guns will show a greater success rate (ratio of deaths to total incidents) in achieving a death in cases of crime/suicide than a society without guns.

Ah! Statistrics! Histoery!
Note that By the Grace of ATM, KSA was able to kill over 1500 shia in Mecca without firing a shot. Guns don't kill ppl. NRAssh....s with guns kill ppl. Q.E.D. AoA!

[rgosain]

Rahul,the TSP is the global univ and school for Islamic terrorists,where they learn about the dark arts of terror and "cut their teeth" in Afghanistan,etc. Paris is the symptom of the disease.The labs where the Islamic terror virus is being cultured are in Saudi Arabia,Pak,Qatar and other oilygarch sheikhdoms,sponsors of Wahaabi jihadism.The West should now combine with Russia-which just lost 200+ of its citizens in the act of air terror in the Sinai,and bomb the daylights out of Riyadh,Islamabad,Doha ,etc. But that needs the Americans to also change their attitude of "hunting with the hounds and running with the hares." It is their sponsorship of Islamic terror that started way back in Afghanistan during the Soviet era that gave birth to OBL,9/11,etc.,etc.,and now the most virulent strain of the terror disease,ISIS.

Actually Phil, the road to Paris started in Mumbai. Most terrorist incidents that occur in the West are typically trialed against india, only they aren't called terrorist attacks by the West and the various apologists for pakistan/Wahabi terrorism. If you consider the following:
a) Air india 1985, b) Kandahar 1999 and of course Mumbai in 2008, all of these have led to major disasters elsewhere.

There is a feeling that if MMS had struck back after Mumbai, regardless of the nuclear flashpoint or the entreaties from the US, Paris today might have been spared the carnage.
Another aspect that is sometimes lost is that every major terrorist incident against India is seen by the West as way of wringing concessions from India. What we now know about the role of Headley should be emphasised at every turn.

Note that the area in east of Paris around the Bastille is home to a number of Indian, Cambodian and Vietnamese restaurants all celebrating various festivals at the end of this week, together with an established Jewish community. It is no surprise that they targeted this area

[SSridhar]

It would be interesting to see how our p-sec media reacts.

[rgosain]

It would be interesting to see how our p-sec media reacts.

They won't say a thing. Look for them to spin Paris as a consequence of Modi's intolerance against minorities. As Phil said, it might be good for Modi and his supporters to organise a show of solidarity in Delhi and mumbai against the intolerence in Mumbai 2008 and Paris today

[member_29218]

I recall that I was going for an exam in Edinburgh when the Air India jet was brought down off Ireland. Later there was news that some Khalistan terrorists had attended commando training schools in the US - run as a business enterprise by Vietnam vets. The CIA had used covert warfare for so long that they gave the "tech" to Pakistan and Pakistan became the epicenter of terrorist training - and no one gave a damn as long as India was the target. After 9-11 and the Afghan clean up and gradual pressure on Pakistan terror training schools have moved to other unstable areas - Somalia, Nigeria and now the Levant. I think there has been a continuous "transfer of technology"

Frank Camper's mercenary school in Dolomite, Alabama. The FBI in operation 'Rite Cross' infiltrated a radical Sikh group called Black June that was seeking to train here in a plan to assassinate Rajiv Gandhi. He said they told him they were plotting sabotage in India. However, Camper apparently denied any knowledge that the group he had trained earlier were planning to blow up the Air India Kanishka. From Salim Jiwa's "The Death of Air-India Flight 182" - a must read on this terrible tragedy.

The US of course denied any culpability and refused to shut down or otherwise punish Camper. They also refuse now to do anything about the University of Terror, TSP.

Pradeep

[UlanBatori]

Charlie Wilson (ex-CIA) took public credit for training the Pakistani terrorist enterprise. Went into Mass Production with the madarssas turning out 100,000 terrorists per year. India could only dispose of 600 or so per year who tried to cross the LOC, floated headless down the Sutlej or planted as fertilizer in Cash-More. Where did the rest of the graduates go? Evidently to the KSA Army, and to the Caliphate of ISIS.
As you say, Wilson decided to move his nominal base of operations to Africa, the Land of Opportunity. Tax-free. I think there is/was a School of The Americas in Columbus, Georgia (USA) set up to train Contra terrorists Fleedom Flighters first in Nicaragua then going global. Had the prominent slogan:

Kill'em All. Let Gawd All*h sort 'em out!

[UlanBatori]

In all fairness, Pradeep, the terrorist attack on AI682 and the one in Narita were organized in Canada, with the full knowledge of the Canadian government. Let us not deny the Canadian Government murderers their due credit for when they stand b4 St. Peter awaiting decision on permanent resort accommodations.

[AbhiJ]

[AbhiJ]

It is Justified as per Quran and Islamic history.

[manjgu]

i dont see any easy solutions..the Europeans will get more of such attacks...they cant kick out the moslems and as long as there is a substantial moslem population and which is also growing exponentially the chances of such attacks only increase. the security apparatus of any country has limited no of resources and its not humanly possible to track such a large population. More than the sophistication of the attack its the operational secrecy that has been maintained which is of concern. so these guys have learnt how to hoodwink the agencies as well... which is the real scary part...with multiple sleeper cells in europe, the nightmare has only begun. there is very little the europeans can do to address the situation

[Philip]

RG,I agree with you on the style of Paris and Mumbai. M was the forerunner of a new style of terror,mass killings more sensational than bringing down an aircraft,hijacking,etc. The aim to spread terror amongst ordinary people. The Pakis being the terror "professors"! However,in Paris what we've seen from the French/Parisiennes are defiance and patriotism,singing the national anthem.It does not reduce the mass casualties neverthless. Going after the sponsors of groups like ISIS is the only way.Kick out the envoys of Saudi A,Qatari and fellow Wahaabi state sponsors of ISIS and warn them that one will go after them in their lairs in any country.But then the French under randy dandy M.Hollande have been cosying upto the Yanquis,who support the Saudis,Qataris,etc!

Former pres. Sarkozy has just said that France must look to its foreign policy to rectify the situ,possibly hinting that by joining the US-led "posse" in the MEast,wiith mercenary interests of the posse,like Colorado's gold hunters in McKenna's Gold,France has brought it upon itself this terrible tragedy that could've been avoided.

A few missile strikes upon Saudi A and Qatar,demolishing Qatar's AC stadia for their future World Cup and incinerating a few Saudi oil installations would be a fitting reply! But then the West and the Islamic despots have been in bed for too long for this to happen. So suffer in style.

[Vikas]

Noting will change in the end.
Europeans will still suck upto Sunni Arabs, Will continue to chant mantra of 'Terror has no religion', will try to undermine India and Russia and generally life will go on till a new terror attack and then same cycle will be repeated.
There is no way not the migrants can be kicked out of Europe. There are too many bleeding hearts and then where are you going to deport them.
If you really want to bomb someone back to 7th century, better start from Poodlistan.

[UlanBatori]

So where is the original in French pls? Surely the Faithfool did not write all that wonderful prose only in ENGLISH, the language of the Crusaders? The 8 Brothers whose Holy Belts turned them into 16 half-brothers, did not go to Houristan prematurely with only an ENGLISH version of their herrowism, hain?
Paris: "Centre de Prosteetyoocion et de Vees".
La France: "Les Carrieres Premieres et Oreejinaales de L'Croix".
Monsieur Hollande, "L'Ambeceel Prominante de La France" (sorry, but they do have an elegant turn of curse that Trump could use in his campaign)

Piece Be Upon the ISIS. May they turn from 100,000 Birathers into 100,000,000 Pieces of Birathers under the Bums-e-Rooskies or under the gentle care of the Peshmerga and the Yazindis and the Syrian Army.

[shiv]

Ours not to reason whys
Ours but to philosophize

On that poetic note..

When you read Raj era books (and I guess Wild West stories) you find that reliable mass manufactured rifled helped armies outgun those with jezails or bows and arrows.

The machine gun made a big difference but even up to WW2 most armies carried single shot rifles. It was in the post WW2 era that armies started getting more automatic weapons as standard equipment. The Kalashnikov was a post WW2 invention. Initially very few industrialized countries had the machining capability and development to make automatic weapons. But that time has gone. There is no country in the world that cannot make them if need be. Oh and another point. Longevity of guns. What were policemen using at CST on 26/11/2008? 303s from the WW1 era. Guns last that long. If you make 1 million guns, chances are that at least 25% of them will still be around 50 years from now.

There are now enough guns in the world to arm at least two billion people. There must be at least 10 million Kalashnikovs floating around. Oh and add stuff like RDX and electronic triggers. Plenty of that about.

The point being that there is no hope in hell of stopping terrorists unless arms and explosives can be restricted or tightly controlled. How did France allow men with Kalashnikovs to get around? I suspect there has been a huge Intel failure in France.

[shiv]

Noting will change in the end.
Europeans will still suck upto Sunni Arabs, Will continue to chant mantra of 'Terror has no religion', will try to undermine India and Russia and generally life will go on till a new terror attack and then same cycle will be repeated.
There is no way not the migrants can be kicked out of Europe. There are too many bleeding hearts and then where are you going to deport them.
If you really want to bomb someone back to 7th century, better start from Poodlistan.

Yeah. I agree. What is France or anyone going to do about ISIS? They don't even know who ISIS is. The US, in retrospect kept us entertained for 10 years. They declared Al Qaeda as the guilty party and bombed the crap out of Afghanistan and Iraq and finally found Al Qaeda in Pakistan.

Who are they going to bomb next?

[Karan M]

Apart from a single UK report citing a SAS guy, all these french papers like AFP etc were busy mocking the Indian response during Mumbai.. now I hope they understand the scale at which these attacks can occur and stop their sympathy for terrorists just because they claim victimhood and attack Hindus or other insignificant brown folks..

Terror is terror and I hope these idiot journos and left libs open their freaking eyes and drop the false equivalence they use..in making victims into persecutors..

[Karan M]

Who are they going to bomb next?

Africa is left I guess.. whole of Middle East except Israel, Saudi, KSA and Gelf kingdoms (all of which are fighting their proxy wars in their neighbouring countries) has either craters in it or their own people burning down their KFCs and Pizza Huts..

[rsingh]

There are two things that have changed since the attack.
- Change in tone about Russian action in Syria
-All terrorists ARE bad (I hear this on local and french radio

[Vikas]

Apart from a single UK report citing a SAS guy, all these french papers like AFP etc were busy mocking the Indian response during Mumbai.. now I hope they understand the scale at which these attacks can occur and stop their sympathy for terrorists just because they claim victimhood and attack Hindus or other insignificant brown folks..

Terror is terror and I hope these idiot journos and left libs open their freaking eyes and drop the false equivalence they use..in making victims into persecutors..

Very true, as much as I feel saddened by all the deaths in Paris, I just can't forget how we were mocked and harangued about weak intel, Sp Ops and restraint after 26/11.
I am sure that this is just the beginning and we will see more of such terror attacks every other year.

[Cain Marko]

Giving easy access to guns will make no difference other than non terror related crime going up, what is needed is better humint assets, and the ability to punish perps where it hurts most...pureland

All Swiss men who have underwent National Training get to keep their automatic weapons at their homes at all times ( they can buy compatible ammo privately , but not keep army issued ammo at home )

They can go straight to the warfront , fully armed

This hasn't resulted in any major gun related crimes in Switzerland , on the contrary it is one of the safest places on earth

As pointed out earlier, Switzerland is a very small country, more importantly the keyword here would be training. If you just let a bunch of redneck yahoos carry, which they already do btw, you get no actual results other than crazies shooting up whoever and whatever when they are off their pills.

But training aam abduls by prepping for emergencies, esp. In the larger cities might help. In any case though dunno how much training would have helped in a rock concert where meth, pot and other interesting stuff is par for the course

[rsingh]

They managed to reach the stadium where Monsieur le President was watching football. Security managed to transport him to the safety?. I do lot like the decision taken by authorities to bring all the spectators on the field. Spectators were better if the thad hidden themselves behind the seats.

[Vikas]

I worry that French will learn wrong lessons from this attack and in true American style, use this opportunity to get rid of Assad by bombing Assad ruled Syria.
Of course they neither have the fire power nor the money to run a bombing campaign like Americans did in Afghan and Iraq so will require fire power from Ombaba.

[member_29247]

The area around Garre Du Nord is full of Indian Srilanksn ( mostly LTTE ) shops and Arabic owned shops , ofcourse TSPaki and Bangladeshi shops as well.

I used frequent HSB restaurant there in my two years stay regularly after shopping for Groceries.2010 thru /2012

Paris has changed a lot since my vista in 1999 and 2002. I used to travel in train from La Defence to Garre Du Nord evry Saturday, the train used wind thru lot of stations and one could see the ghetto like conditions in some areas ( after Pigalle IIRc) where African immigrants both Blacka and Arabic dwelled.

There are lot of illegals from East Europe like Albania Kosovo doin pan handling evry where especially metro stations. Jumping the ticket checking turnstile is very common most often by immigrants.

Paris is the hub for human trafficking along with Rome and Milan towards UK Norway Sweden Germany.
Most TSP embassies are in the act of facilitating lot of TSP Abdul's to infiltrate, by issuing duplicate passports to erase tracing.
All the trinket selling guys at Eifiel Tower and Sacre Couere were tsPakis
the west is in denial and keeps lecturing India on how to sit and negotiate with terrorists and how GOI is not doing enough appeasement to followers of Religion of peace and brotherly love, How intolerance is not good etc. Now it's full circle.
I congratulate Israel for doing the right things for itself, now every terrorist is sucked away in tornado twister like giant sucking towards EU and over the land s of Syria Libya Iraq across the Mediterranean
The great thing is Ombaba talks about minority rights and safety in India, some activist civil rights black Lady is arrested and in Texas and is killed in Jail arrested for alleged traffic violation
Preaching Peace by Nobel laureates is easy than practicing.
The Paris attacks confirm the blow back and let us see what exemplary tolerance is practiced.
It is sad that liberal EU will become big brother watching kind of society very soon like the one across the pond.
Another interesting point is the swift declaration of emergency while the thought is not even allowed to in India under similar circumstances by the gratuitous and condescending superior democracies.

The beginning of the brilliant idea of mixing region to achieve geo political objectives started with the pious saint turned peanut farmer and actively funded by actor turned cowboy is now at full circle
Thank you Charlie W for foresight of a true Texan.

Pretending to not who is ISIS is like TSP saying we don't know where Osama is or who Dawood is.

Ever watched the movie. " It's complicated" it's like that the western countries think they are divorced from use of religion for Geo politics but in reality every time there is an urge they get into bed like
Alec Baldwin and Merryl Streep

[saip]

Peace

In a way I am happy even though my heart goes out to those who lost their lives. Now that the west has been attacked all those that pontificated about Mumbai attack will have to eat their words. Will this bring some pressure on Pakistan to really prosecute the perpetrators of that Mumabi attack?

[Sid]

The day everyone starts to carry weapons, terrorist and NRA will win.

Comparing with Swiss, a very less diverse/nationalist/conscript based force, with nations like France and India (with breathtaking diversity and professional volunteer force) is like comaring apple vs oranges. Once weapons hits market shelves its hard to keep tab on them, and so to control MIC.

Only way to give a slap these islamic hardline dickhheads is to continue with your way of life with even stronger resolve and give measured response in language they understand.

Mumbai as a city is great example of place with great souls. Every time they are struck, they get back up and move on, but never forgetstheir fallen.

[rgosain]

The area around Garre Du Nord is full of Indian Srilanksn ( mostly LTTE ) shops and Arabic owned shops , ofcourse TSPaki and Bangladeshi shops as well.

I used frequent HSB restaurant there in my two years stay regularly after shopping for Groceries.2010 thru /2012

Paris has changed a lot since my vista in 1999 and 2002. I used to travel in train from La Defence to Garre Du Nord evry Saturday, the train used wind thru lot of stations and one could see the ghetto like conditions in some areas ( after Pigalle IIRc) where African immigrants both Blacka and Arabic dwelled.

There are lot of illegals from East Europe like Albania Kosovo doin pan handling evry where especially metro stations. Jumping the ticket checking turnstile is very common most often by immigrants.

Paris is the hub for human trafficking along with Rome and Milan towards UK Norway Sweden Germany.
Most TSP embassies are in the act of facilitating lot of TSP Abdul's to infiltrate, by issuing duplicate passports to erase tracing.
All the trinket selling guys at Eifiel Tower and Sacre Couere were tsPakis
the west is in denial and keeps lecturing India on how to sit and negotiate with terrorists and how GOI is not doing enough appeasement to followers of Religion of peace and brotherly love, How intolerance is not good etc. Now it's full circle.
I congratulate Israel for doing the right things for itself, now every terrorist is sucked away in tornado twister like giant sucking towards EU and over the land s of Syria Libya Iraq across the Mediterranean
The great thing is Ombaba talks about minority rights and safety in India, some activist civil rights black Lady is arrested and in Texas and is killed in Jail arrested for alleged traffic violation
Preaching Peace by Nobel laureates is easy than practicing.
The Paris attacks confirm the blow back and let us see what exemplary tolerance is practiced.
It is sad that liberal EU will become big brother watching kind of society very soon like the one across the pond.
Another interesting point is the swift declaration of emergency while the thought is not even allowed to in India under similar circumstances by the gratuitous and condescending superior democracies.

The beginning of the brilliant idea of mixing region to achieve geo political objectives started with the pious saint turned peanut farmer and actively funded by actor turned cowboy is now at full circle
Thank you Charlie W for foresight of a true Texan.

Pretending to not who is ISIS is like TSP saying we don't know where Osama is or who Dawood is.

Ever watched the movie. " It's complicated" it's like that the western countries think they are divorced from use of religion for Geo politics but in reality every time there is an urge they get into bed like
Alec Baldwin and Merryl Streep

Spinster: Since coming to power in 2009, the number of black people killed by Us security forces in the USA have intensified during Barack Obama's presidency. Shockingly the number of black churches that have been torched are at the highest level in decades. Are those indian intellectuals and artists who talk about tolerance, going to return their awards from the Pulitzer, rockefeller or grants from US based universities.

[Bhurishrava]

It would be interesting to see how our p-sec media reacts.

While we condemn the terrorist attack, it should not be connected with any religion. Also we should remember that people also die when countries are bombed by amreekan imperialists. etc etc.

Isnt it obvious ?

[Satya_anveshi]

What we know so far about the Paris attackers - Nov 14, 2015
http://www.thelocal.fr/20151114/what-we ... -attackers

UPDATED: We know that at least eight militants, all wearing suicide vests, wrought unprecedented violence in six locations across Paris. A man arrested in Germany last week has been linked to the attacks.


- Police have confirmed a Syrian passport was found near the body of one of the assailants involved in a wave of deadly attacks on Paris, police confirmed to news agency AFP on Saturday.

-According to Europe1, one of the terrorists killed at the Bataclan concert hall has been formally identified by his fingerprints as a Frenchman, born in a Parisian suburb in Courcouronnes

- The Guardian also reported that the Paris attackers 'had French, Egyptian and Syrian passports'.
One was a "French extremist known to police", The Guardian said.

- A woman may also have been one of the attackers, Europe 1 reported, citing a couple who saw the woman among the attackers at the Bataclan concert hall.

- All eight are dead – seven by their own suicide bombs - although French prosecutors have warned their accomplices could be on the run.

- Investigators are working on the assumption that the terrorists were divided into two groups: the first near the Stade de France and the second in Paris’ 10th and 11th districts.

- The police forensic team is carrying out DNA tests on the bodies of the suicide bombers, which were "mostly pulverized", according to a police source who spoke to BFMTV. Initial tests have so far failed to reveal anything about their identity. The results should be available in two days, BFMTV reported.

- A Syrian passport has been found on one of the attackers' bodies, le Parisien reported on Saturday lunchtime.

- A man arrested in southern Germany last week, who had weapons including machine guns and explosives in his car, has been linked to the attacks, German media reported on Saturday. Read more via The Local Germany here.

- A Volkswagen Polo found near the Bataclan is being tested for fingerprints. It may have been used by the terrorists.

- Four of the assailants were killed when police stormed into the Bataclan concert hall, a popular venue in eastern Paris which was packed with 1,500 people attending a gig by the US band Eagles of Death Metal.

- Three died after activating their suicide vests while the fourth was shot dead – but not before they had killed at least 82 people.

- One of the attackers could be heard saying, “It’s the fault of Hollande, it’s the fault of your president, he should not have intervened in Syria.”

- Another witness at the Bataclan told The Local that the three attackers “sounded Arab-French”, but this has not been confirmed. The witness also heard the assailants shouting “This is for Syria, this is for Iraq”.

- A judicial source said another attacker died when he detonated his suicide vest on Boulevard Voltaire, near the Bataclan.

- Three other assailants are believed to have died in suicide bombs outside the Stade de France on rue Jules-Rimet.

[Satya_anveshi]

After the above report of German arrest earlier in the week, I believe there was intel and France knew it will be so big that it will need to issue national emergency but perhaps did not know few of the specifics:

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 7#p1933897

00:22 - Parisians warned about emergencies earlier on Friday

“There are ambulances passing all the time,” Deha, who lives on Boulevard St Germain, told The Local, adding that this his son came home from school on Friday with a letter advising parents what to do in case of an emergency.

“It was completely out of the blue – I don’t know if this was a coincidence or there were alerts before, but it doesn’t feel like a coincidence,” he said.

“It was advice for parents on what to do in an emergency – such as not calling or coming to the school, staying away from the area and listening for updated from to a radio station, France Blue.”

[Muppalla]

Noting will change in the end.
Europeans will still suck upto Sunni Arabs, Will continue to chant mantra of 'Terror has no religion', will try to undermine India and Russia and generally life will go on till a new terror attack and then same cycle will be repeated.
There is no way not the migrants can be kicked out of Europe. There are too many bleeding hearts and then where are you going to deport them.
If you really want to bomb someone back to 7th century, better start from Poodlistan.

Yeah. I agree. What is France or anyone going to do about ISIS? They don't even know who ISIS is. The US, in retrospect kept us entertained for 10 years. They declared Al Qaeda as the guilty party and bombed the crap out of Afghanistan and Iraq and finally found Al Qaeda in Pakistan.

Who are they going to bomb next?

Al Qaeda was a project to split SU via Afghanistan. The west has taken few hits and the grand finale was 911. The project ended. But you always need a project with some attritions like US-Cole, Spain, France etc. Hence ISIS was born as a new project to change the order in ME from a Sunni centric to Shia centric. In that pursuit an Islamic revolution in Sunni world with an Oil flow insurance from Iran was planned. In between, the egoists distracted with Ukraine. The enraged Putin spoiled the story of ISIS project by massively demolishing the ISIS targets. Enraged by western ditch, ISIS struck a fortified Paris.

[hnair]

So finally, that Mumbai-model (guns for self-defense + explosives/grenades for mass civilian causalities by terrorists for whom advanced training for accurate gunfire is not possible) has become a reality in the west

People posting here about "guns for everyone", has no idea how difficult it is to do accurate shooting using handguns under duress. Two of the fundamental things of pistol shooting, sight-management and trigger control will go straight out of the window. Add a heavily crowded place and an opponent who has no care for his life or others. Even identifying a legit target, that too in low light conditions is not possible to an untrained and solitary shooter

The solitary civlian shooter taking on the terrorists/baddies is an American NRA construct. The terrorists will know their teammates. So would law-enforcement or counter-terror operators. But a bunch of civilians, who dont know each other, will cause more hurt to others than a terrorist. A crossfire of such people shooting each other is deadly beyond belief.

American gun-nuts are stupid to keep talking about such stuff as "public carrying"/ The only valid case is in rural areas, where homestead protection is needed, due to lack of timely appearance of law-enforcement help. Even in that case, the ammo (shotgun shells or 9mm) should be rationed out to maybe a max of 50-100 rounds in the premises at all times, with turning in the spent rounds (if used for training) to get live rounds. Anyways