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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby panduranghari » 14 Nov 2015 20:10

Muppalla wrote:. Enraged by western ditch, ISIS struck a fortified Paris.


I suspect the Europeans were going to go with Russia to bomb the real ISIS. Perhaps this attack was American retaliation. 11/9/2001 showed how human tragedy makes the sheeple follow the wolf within the herd who is in sheeps clothing.

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby kmkraoind » 14 Nov 2015 20:11

Muppalla wrote:Al Qaeda was a project to split SU via Afghanistan. The west has taken few hits and the grand finale was 911. The project ended. But you always need a project with some attritions like US-Cole, Spain, France etc. Hence ISIS was born as a new project to change the order in ME from a Sunni centric to Shia centric. In that pursuit an Islamic revolution in Sunni world with an Oil flow insurance from Iran was planned. In between, the egoists distracted with Ukraine. The enraged Putin spoiled the story of ISIS project by massively demolishing the ISIS targets. Enraged by western ditch, ISIS struck a fortified Paris.


I was thinking why suddenly hostile US and west are patronizing Iran, now got some clarity. BRF gyanis are....

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby Satya_anveshi » 14 Nov 2015 20:20

Muppalla wrote:Al Qaeda was a project to split SU via Afghanistan. The west has taken few hits and the grand finale was 911. The project ended. But you always need a project with some attritions like US-Cole, Spain, France etc. Hence ISIS was born as a new project to change the order in ME from a Sunni centric to Shia centric. In that pursuit an Islamic revolution in Sunni world with an Oil flow insurance from Iran was planned. In between, the egoists distracted with Ukraine. The enraged Putin spoiled the story of ISIS project by massively demolishing the ISIS targets. Enraged by western ditch, ISIS struck a fortified Paris.


If ISIS was born to shift order from Sunni to Shia, why would Iran join Putin (In fact Iran plays lead role in ground offensive) in destroying ISIS?

IMO Levant thread did/is doing pretty good job in deconstructing/untangling the web around syrian conflict. Pl go thru it.

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby shiv » 14 Nov 2015 20:30

saip wrote:Peace

In a way I am happy even though my heart goes out to those who lost their lives. Now that the west has been attacked all those that pontificated about Mumbai attack will have to eat their words. Will this bring some pressure on Pakistan to really prosecute the perpetrators of that Mumabi attack?

I'm not so sure and I am inclined to take Vikas Raina's cynical view that it will be back to business after the funerals are done.

I thought on 9-11 when I watched the towers go down that the US would come to its senses. But the US did not. France is in a worse state. There will be tears and hot air, but like farts all will dissipate.

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby Cain Marko » 14 Nov 2015 20:33

^ satyaji, agreed, this is about the oil rich keeping the status quo via the wests muscle power...problem is their plans as in Afghanistan are backfiring since you can't really control tsp types.
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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby Muppalla » 14 Nov 2015 20:33

Satya_anveshi wrote:If ISIS was born to shift order from Sunni to Shia, why would Iran join Putin (In fact Iran plays lead role in ground offensive) in destroying ISIS?


Satya ji, Iran has to take on ISIS as if US ditches again that is a monster SUNNI thingy. In addition US-Iran deal is work not completed and the insurance is not there yet.

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby Muppalla » 14 Nov 2015 20:35

Muppalla wrote:. Enraged by western ditch, ISIS struck a fortified Paris.

panduranghari wrote:
I suspect the Europeans were going to go with Russia to bomb the real ISIS. Perhaps this attack was American retaliation. 11/9/2001 showed how human tragedy makes the sheeple follow the wolf within the herd who is in sheeps clothing.


If they have any pus cells in their blood. France acts exactly like a mistress of US. Makes all noise once in a while like a mistress does.

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby kmkraoind » 14 Nov 2015 20:42

shiv wrote:I thought on 9-11 when I watched the towers go down that the US would come to its senses. But the US did not. France is in a worse state. There will be tears and hot air, but like farts all will dissipate.


1+ Most of France's immigrants comes from its former colonies. Now also these colonies (spheres of influence) acts as market for French goods, Edu-Health industry and are suppliers of raw materials to France, so there will be some noises, but after a while everything will become normal.

Only large scale riots (where damage will be on both sides) that continue for weeks or some parts of Europe occupied by ISIS/Jihadis, can trigger some massive actions. The present action at best may increase memberships and funding to french versions of EDL or some pro-Nazi groups. Its "escalation of ladder" type thing.
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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby ramana » 14 Nov 2015 20:43

So what kind of explosive was used by the suicide attackers?

7/8 (or 6 from other report) attackers died from suicide belts shows Police were under armed.

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby rgosain » 14 Nov 2015 20:47

kmkraoind wrote:
shiv wrote:I thought on 9-11 when I watched the towers go down that the US would come to its senses. But the US did not. France is in a worse state. There will be tears and hot air, but like farts all will dissipate.


Most of France's immigrants comes from its former colonies. Now also these colonies acts as market for French goods, Edu-Health industry and are suppliers of raw materials to France, so there will be some noises, but after a while everything will become normal.

Only large scale riots (where damage will be on both sides) that continue for weeks or some parts of Europe occupied by ISIS/Jihadis, can trigger some massive actions. The present action at best may increase memberships and funding to french versions of EDL or some pro-Nazi groups. Its "escalation of ladder" type thing.

Interesting about France and its colonies. Back in 1950, Nehru who spoke relatively good French was approached by the French government seeking cheap labour to rebuild after the war, with the offer of building Ecole polytechnics in india and allowing some French industry into India. Nehru, with his English influences and airs rejected any discussion, hence France ended up with a load of jihadis from the Maghreb.

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby rsingh » 14 Nov 2015 20:53

just got the news that 3 of the attackers were from Belgium. They are from Molenbeek area where no self-respecting Belgian dare to go. Marrocans, Algerians, Bakistani and Polish people populate this area. Lot of Halal meat shops ,Bakistani groceries, Lebanese snacks etc. Friday is peak.

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby ramana » 14 Nov 2015 21:07

No wonder Belgium closed borders along with France.

Guns must have been from Belgium.
Recall the attacker boarded a train to France when US servicemen tackled him a few months ago?

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby JwalaMukhi » 14 Nov 2015 21:11

Europe is lamenting about loss of control of these fringe elements. Per se, they are far from disassociating themselves from these misguided elements and terrorism. If truly, they were interested in terrorism, all would actively stop abetting and supporting the official flag bearer of terrorism ,aka Pakistan. All actively support pakistan, so any understanding of terrorism means non-colored people are affected due to the fringe elements.
France will bounce back in the "spirit of paris" and continue on its path of forging a deal with the Caliphite. Essentially, it is sibling rivalry between two sister ideologies, who will fight someday and kiss and make up other day.

France has been gracious enough to put up travel advisory to India due to manufactured outrage of chruches being under attack in solidarity with Indian minorities. Essentially, when one of sister ideologies or color of the people involved becomes obvious, France as other anglo-saxons will know how to close ranks and buy peace.

Pakistan will continue to be the best boy in town for all across the atlantic. Hope they all sit down and negotiate a peaceful settlement. INdia doesn't have to put any travel advisory to France, except may caution all Indian Muslims to be careful when they are in France. The vicious problem of majority adjusting with the minorities in France is still being worked out. May the force of peace be with them in their quest for just and civilized world.

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby A_Gupta » 14 Nov 2015 21:24

In my opinion, no terrorist movement has long-term viability without external state or state-like support. Even the weak Sri Lanka government finally destroyed the LTTE (yes, the LTTE was a terrorist movement; and some fingers may point to India for initial support of it). Even a kabila-like state in modern times is really powerful (e.g., in Pakistan, that power was demonstrated in the clean-up of Karachi).

For any long-lived terrorist movement, we need to identify its sponsors clearly and boldly. The US fight against al Qaeda was so prolonged and also is not going well against ISIS/ISIL/Daesh because it does not address the issue of the sponsors of these groups.

That terrorism is caused by poverty, alienation from society, discrimination, etc., is bullcr*p. If that was true, the aam janata of India would be a big source of terrorists in the world because of poverty, and the African-Americans of the USA would be another source of terrorists in the world because of discrimination and alienation from society.

The raw material for terrorism probably continually arises from certain ideologies, but this is usually fringe, fragile and easily crushed. It is the sponsorship of these that makes them really large and dangerous.

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby KJo » 14 Nov 2015 21:25

s expected my Facebook feed is full of posts from peaceful people claiming Islam is not at fault

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Re: Terrorism Worldwide

Postby KLNMurthy » 14 Nov 2015 21:31

disha wrote:Can we call them freedom fighters? It is definitely a law & order problem for Europe.

Fidayeen is the proper word. Indian ELM also used it during 26/11. Sounds very '60s revolutionary-glamorous, shades of Leila Khaled et al.

I am really having a hard time generating any sympathy for, or solidarity with, these Western countries. It is all karma onlee.

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby panduranghari » 14 Nov 2015 21:35

shiv wrote:I suspect there has been a huge Intel failure in France.


Shiv saar, with respect the white man never accepts it is intel failure. Ever. Even if it was, it could very well be a false flag. And Hollande is saying there will be punitive retaliation. But against whom? ISIS? They are already at war against ISIS or we can assume they already are.

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby rgosain » 14 Nov 2015 21:36

meanwhile as Modi departs the Uk, the following occurs:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11 ... -of-force/

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Re: Mumbai 26/11 Type Terrorist Attacks Repeated in Paris

Postby KLNMurthy » 14 Nov 2015 21:37

Gus wrote:Major jihadi attack and I am not thinking paki connexion. Surely ISIS has overtaken pakis in intl terrorism.

Suicide bombing is usually not in the signature of paki attacks.

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby Paul » 14 Nov 2015 21:48

I am not sure France policy is to attack ISIS. They collude with interests who collaborate with ISIS. They were party to the attack on the Serbs in Bosnia and were complicit to CIA flying in Al Qaida Jehadis from Pakistan/Afghanistan into Bosnia to take on the chetniks.

Over the centuries they have collaborated with Islamic expansionism to the detriment of the Eatern Orthodoxy. Maybe the failed invasion of Russia in 1812 still rankles with them.

Suleiman collaborated with France in Louis XIV time. They collaborated with Britain to prevent Russian expansion into Bosphorus in 1853. By doing this, they gave another 60 previous years to the caliphate of Islam. It will take more than a few pinprick terror attacks to change the mindset of the BildBerg elite of Europe. Sarkozy had raised Xtian suppression with MMS when in fact there was not such thing going on.

In short...this is not the France of Charles Martel which stopped the Arab invasion from Spain into France in the 8th century. They may have lost that spirit for good.

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby Manny » 14 Nov 2015 21:55

Its interesting to read some Canadian forums..where they usually lecture Israelis and Indians about how Anti Muslim we are.. Now they are all worried their PM is going to let all those Syraian refugees in..

Ha HA HA! Fking Secularists! :rotfl:

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby Satya_anveshi » 14 Nov 2015 21:56

Calais was very much in that plot as well.
Just for reference:
2015 Thalys train attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Thalys_train_attack

Suspect[edit]
Ayoub El Khazzani[5] (born 3 September 1989,[40] also spelled El-Khazzani and el-Qazzani),[41] a 25-year-old man from Morocco, was identified as the suspected assailant by French and Spanish authorities, he had boarded the train in Brussels.[42] He carried no identification but was identified by his fingerprints. Prior to the attempted attack, he had resided in Aubervilliers, Seine-Saint-Denis, France, since 2014.[43] El Khazzani was originally from Tétouan in northern Morocco,[44] and moved to Spain in 2007, two years after his father had legalized his status there.[45] He was an employee at the mobile phone operator firm Lycamobile for two months in early 2014 before leaving due to not having the right work papers.[46]

El Khazzani was apparently known to French authorities and had been tagged with a "fiche S" (S file or security file), the highest "warning" level for French state security. He had been similarly profiled by Belgian, Spanish, and German[47] authorities. El Khazzani had reportedly lived in the Spanish cities of Madrid and Algeciras[48] from 2007 to March 2014.[49] During his time in Spain, he attracted the attention of authorities after making speeches defending jihad, attending a known radical mosque, and being involved in drug trafficking.[46][47] He then moved to France, at which time the Spanish authorities informed the French of their suspicions.[49] However, French Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve claimed that he moved to Belgium first in 2015.[44] He had reportedly spent time between May and July in Syria before moving to France.[13][49][50]

Possible motives[edit]
According to prosecutor François Molins, El Khazzani listened to a "YouTube audio file in which the individual exhorted his followers to raise arms and fight in the name of the prophet" and that his Internet browsing history showed "clear evidence of terrorist intent."[51] Prosecutors discovered the files on his phone, which they say he listened to immediately prior to the attack.[4]

Sophie David, a lawyer initially assigned to his case but no longer representing him, said that El Khazzani says he was homeless because his ID was stolen, that he slept in a Brussels park where he found a suitcase containing the rifle and the pistol, and that he had no intention to massacre the passengers but planned to rob them so he could get food. He denies firing a single shot and was said to not have any firearms training.[11][23][52][53] However, authorities said El Khazzani's explanations became less plausible with each questioning and he had eventually stopped talking to investigators.[4][54] On 23 August, Belgian authorities began investigating whether El Khazzani had an accomplice.[55]

Possible source of weapons[edit]
French newspaper La Voix du Nord said that the gunman in the Thalys attack may have had connections to groups targeted by the Belgian counter-terror operation, and authorities are currently investigating the link.[49] One of the gunmen in the 2015 Île-de-France attacks had purchased automatic weapons and a rocket launcher from Belgian gangs,[56] allegedly in a black market near Gare du Midi, the station that the gunman in the Thalys attack boarded from.[57][58]

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby member_29218 » 14 Nov 2015 22:02

UlanBatori wrote:In all fairness, Pradeep, the terrorist attack on AI682 and the one in Narita were organized in Canada, with the full knowledge of the Canadian government. Let us not deny the Canadian Government murderers their due credit for when they stand b4 St. Peter awaiting decision on permanent resort accommodations.


IMHO, whenever the issue of state sanction for an act of terror is raised, one must ask two questions, did the state Make It Happen (MIH) or Let It Happen (LIH). In this case it may have been the latter.

In any case, it's payback time. There must be many many French Canadians with family or kin in France.

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby svenkat » 14 Nov 2015 22:08

OT:The Kanadian-caalistaani connection is not through france but through briturdistaan-the source of so much evil.

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Postby JwalaMukhi » 14 Nov 2015 22:16

panduranghari wrote:
shiv wrote:I suspect there has been a huge Intel failure in France.


Shiv saar, with respect the white man never accepts it is intel failure.

As a complimentary to that whites do not also accept terrorism without whites being victims. When non-whites are victims, there will be good variety, bad variety, ugly variety and many many shades of grey to define terrorism. There will be no outrage when Bangladesh Hindus, or yazidis or for that matter Beslan victims, were systematically abused and genocide committed, except for some platitudes.

The crux of the problem, it has become very difficult for anglo-saxons to pin down the problem to clear racial breakdown, due to new phenomena of Jihadi John. They are unable to solve this without turning out to be like Saudi Arabia and be openly racist.

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby KLNMurthy » 14 Nov 2015 22:17

Philip wrote:Rahul,the TSP is the global univ and school for Islamic terrorists,where they learn about the dark arts of terror and "cut their teeth" in Afghanistan,etc. Paris is the symptom of the disease.The labs where the Islamic terror virus is being cultured are in Saudi Arabia,Pak,Qatar and other oilygarch sheikhdoms,sponsors of Wahaabi jihadism.The West should now combine with Russia-which just lost 200+ of its citizens in the act of air terror in the Sinai,and bomb the daylights out of Riyadh,Islamabad,Doha ,etc. But that needs the Americans to also change their attitude of "hunting with the hounds and running with the hares." It is their sponsorship of Islamic terror that started way back in Afghanistan during the Soviet era that gave birth to OBL,9/11,etc.,etc.,and now the most virulent strain of the terror disease,ISIS.

I have a dream.

Every time there is a terrorist attack anywhere in the world, there is a drone attack on Defense colony of Karachi.

And suddenly, all terrorists are queuing up to get jobs as Lower Division Clerks.

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby Satya_anveshi » 14 Nov 2015 22:19

Did US screw itself by saying that they didn't know who was behind the attacks and US president even mentioning that it is premature to speculate when there were so many glaring signs of ISIS presence, motives, means, history, and what looks like intel of such impending attacks???

Now after Hollande publicly named ISIS to be the perpetrator, Kerry says "And while we are still gathering information, we have seen nothing that leads us to a different conclusion."

Chance of blaming Russia for this is gone and will come across as US not having intel on this and therefore no control.

Surely even if US/Israel push European partners to take more migrants/refugees to depopulate parts of Syria and Iraq (in hope of carving out subservient nations and/or outright annexation), why will european members oblige if these migrants are embedded with terrorists?

Even if European partners are roadrolled, their compensation terms for accommodating migrants has gone up big time and public sentiment they have to handle became complicated.

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby Satya_anveshi » 14 Nov 2015 22:27

May or may not be related to terror events:
source: sputniknews
High-Speed Train Derails in Northeast France, Casualties Reported - Nov 14, 2015
A test train with no passengers on board derailed near Strasbourg on Saturday, splitting apart and plunging into a canal.

Seven people were killed and 49 injured as a TGV high-speed train derailed near Eckwersheim in Northeast France, on Saturday, France3 channel reported. The train was going in the direction of Strasbourg when it went off tracks while crossing a bridge and the carriages fell into the Marne-Rhine canal, according to witness reports.

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby KLNMurthy » 14 Nov 2015 22:34

saip wrote:Peace

In a way I am happy even though my heart goes out to those who lost their lives. Now that the west has been attacked all those that pontificated about Mumbai attack will have to eat their words. Will this bring some pressure on Pakistan to really prosecute the perpetrators of that Mumabi attack?

No.

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby panduranghari » 14 Nov 2015 22:35

At least one of the attackers outside France’s national soccer stadium had a ticket to the game and attempted to enter the 80,000-person venue, according to a Stade de France security guard who was on duty and French police.

The guard—who asked to be identified only by his first name, Zouheir—said the attacker was discovered wearing an explosives vest when he was frisked at the entrance to the stadium about 15 minutes into the game. France was playing an exhibition against Germany inside.
Paris attackers struck a soccer stadium, a concert hall and four other locations around the city, killing scores of people.

While attempting to back away from security, Zouheir said, the attacker detonated the vest. Zouheir, who was stationed by the players’ tunnel, said he was briefed on the sequence by the security frisking team at the gate.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/attacker-tr ... 1447520571

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby member_29218 » 14 Nov 2015 22:38

UlanBatori wrote:Charlie Wilson (ex-CIA) took public credit for training the Pakistani terrorist enterprise. Went into Mass Production with the madarssas turning out 100,000 terrorists per year. India could only dispose of 600 or so per year who tried to cross the LOC, floated headless down the Sutlej or planted as fertilizer in Cash-More. Where did the rest of the graduates go? Evidently to the KSA Army, and to the Caliphate of ISIS.
As you say, Wilson decided to move his nominal base of operations to Africa, the Land of Opportunity. Tax-free. I think there is/was a School of The Americas in Columbus, Georgia (USA) set up to train Contra terrorists Fleedom Flighters first in Nicaragua then going global. Had the prominent slogan:
Kill'em All. Let Gawd All*h sort 'em out!


Agree. Here is the quote from George Crile's book 'Charlie Wilson's war':

"Charlie Did It" - President Zia-ul-Haq of Pakistan, explaining the defeat of the Russians in Afghanistan.

Crile ends with the following:

The story of Charlie Wilson and the CIA's secret war in Afghanistan is an important, missing chapter of our recent past. Ironically, neither the United States government nor the forces of Islam will want this history to be known. But the full story of America's central role in the Afghan Jihad needs to be told and understood for any number of reasons. Clearly it's not helpful for the world of militant Islam to believe that it's power is so great that nothing can stop it. But the danger exists for us as well. It may not be welcomed by a government that prefers to see the rising tide of Islamic militancy as having no connection to our policies or our actions. But the terrible truth is that the group of sleeping lions that the United States roused may well have inspired an entire generation of militant young Muslims to believe that the moment is theirs.

And now it's done the same with ISIS.......

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby Vikas » 14 Nov 2015 22:56

Why nothing will happen..
Just like west has figured out that they can bomb and rape Islamic world with impunity, Jehadist forces too have understood that west or rest of the world has no stomach or means to fight this Islamic terror plus there are many bleeding hearts who will come to the rescue of these terrorist.
By tomorrow we will see cries of 'Don't be Islamophobiac" and how there is some obscure verse against killing 'Innocent' humans in HK and blah blah. That human life is cheap in third world countries
gives no publicity, joy or pleasure to terror attack. See how we have lost count of people killed in suicide explosion in Iraq or Pakistan.
West especially the white one is very good at lecturing third world countries but once the shoe is in other foot, new model is created.

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby kmkraoind » 14 Nov 2015 23:05

VikasRaina wrote:Just like west has figured out that they can bomb and rape Islamic world with impunity, Jehadist forces too have understood that west or rest of the world has no stomach or means to fight this Islamic terror plus there are many bleeding hearts who will come to the rescue of these terrorist.


It means frequent pricking another assses by other camps is like play for both camps. It keeps both camps majority-minority happy-unhappy.

When West pinpricks Ummah, majority of West feels happy, minority of West feels unhappy, majority of Ummah feels unhappy.
When Ummah pinpricks West, majority of Ummah feels happy, minority of West feels happy, majority of West feels unhappy.

Perfect jugalbandi.

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby JwalaMukhi » 14 Nov 2015 23:26

Looks like most attackers are very young, most below and around 18 yrs of age. Juvenile elements. Mani Shankar Aiyar, NRP already thinks this as a reaction to French banning of buruqa.
Terrorism sustained, by support from external agents. Not just money, but also propaganda support, where Lefties in India supply the most.

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby Gerard » 14 Nov 2015 23:33

Wondered how soon the burqa ban would be brought up by the likes of MSA

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Postby Satya_anveshi » 14 Nov 2015 23:38

Poope calls this is all turd world war:
http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-francis ... fication-f

(Vatican Radio) Pope Francis has called the attacks in Paris “a piece” of the “piecemeal Third World War.”

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Postby JwalaMukhi » 14 Nov 2015 23:44

http://www.ibnlive.com/videos/full/poli ... 34958.html
Politics | 09:35 PM IST Jan 08, 2015
Mani Shankar Aiyar justifies Paris terror attacks, says it is response to France banning Hijab

Senior Congress leader Mani Shankar Aiyar on Thursday evening justified Paris terror attacks.

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Re: Terrorist Attack in Paris

Postby UlanBatori » 14 Nov 2015 23:45

Does He mean third-world's war or War#3 of the Dunia?


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