Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05, 2015

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CRamS wrote:Guys, I watched that termite MSA's interview. Not worth positing. But I am curious when he says in TSP that ModiJi must be removed, what is his subtle message to his ISI sponsors? Can this guy be tried for treason and locked up for good?

He wants revival of Ind Muj terror attacks on India. And target Modi and GOI.

They will be called ISIS now.

Remember Godfather.
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Not too bad an analysis of bad Sheriff's visit to US:

http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2015/11 ... ef/123789/
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Pakistan demands 'proof' of terror charges for deportees
Demanding Beekh, Water, Bijli, Kaazmir, Money,Food: Maanganstan
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Tuesday instructed its diplomatic missions in European capitals to demand evidence of a potential crime when host countries sought to deport illegal immigrants being held on terror charges to Pakistan.The move came days after Islamabad said it had suspended its agreement on the readmission of illegal immigrants with European Union countries, except Britain, because of its “blatant misuse”.During a meeting on Tuesday, Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan directed Pakistani diplomatic missions in Europe to demand proof from host governments that wanted to deport Pakistanis on terror charges, a statement said.“It is a violation of inhuman rights if any Pakistani is deported on terror charges without any proof,” he said, according to the statement. :eek: “We have to not only give courage to Pakistani expatriates, but also stand by them at every step."Nisar also warned that airlines who carried deportees back to Pakistan without the interior ministry's permission or without travel documents would have to pay unspecified fines.The 2010 agreement that Pakistan said it had suspended aimed to facilitate the return of Pakistani illegal immigrants and other nationals who had transited through Pakistan before arriving in the EU.
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Ganja Sharif Wants To Share Expertise On Counter-Terrorism With France :rotfl:
ISLAMABAD: In a visit to the French Embassy here Tuesday, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif extended condolences for the lives lost during the Nov 13 terrorist attacks which hit Paris, said a statement issued by the Prime Minister House.
Speaking to the prime minister, French Ambassador to Pakistan Martine Dorance said the French people and government had a lot to learn from the Pakistani nation( hope she knows what she talking about ) and government's resilience. :roll:
"This is an appalling incident and we ourselves are the victim of terrorism," the prime minister said. :((
The Pakis should apply for a Trade Mark to this inane mantra !
Nawaz said Pakistan was ready to assist the French government in this hour of need and will share its expertise on counter-terrorism efforts with French officials.
Has he cleared this "offer" with the Big Boss (Bad Sharif)
Pakistan had earlier "strongly" condemned the attacks and reiterated its condemnation of terrorism in all forms and manifestations.
"We stand with them in their hour of grief," the Foreign Office had said in a statement at the time.
One Paki Reader's comments posted below:
Irfan
about 15 hours ago
Kindly don't learn anything from him. He only know one thing. Take notices, make futile inquiry teams (to allow to earn more commissions), sympathize with the families, distributing cheques from tax payer money, spouting platitudes (We will do this and that), and blaming on IK for the last and final part.
Job of a Deputy Commissioner ! :mrgreen:
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Amrullah Saleh ‏@AmrullahSaleh2 · 13m13 minutes ago
Lern from Afghns: Never ask Pakstan 2 solve your problem.They make it a long term cash project & worsen it. Go around them. Never trust them
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Pakistan has the lowest internet user density
Inbreeding Density is Number 1 in World
SLAMABAD: At 13.8 per cent, Pakistan has the lowest internet user density (users per 100 individuals) in the region. Due to its geo-strategic location and access to coastlines, however, it has the potential to become a supply route for internet and communication services for the neighbouring landlocked countries. :lol: This was revealed in a study titled ‘Unleashing the Potential of the Internet in Central Asia and Beyond: Pakistan in Focus’, which was conducted by the Internet Society (ISOC) in collaboration with the Asian Development Bank (ADB) and the United Nations Economic and Social Commission for Asia and the Pacific (UNESCAP).Pakistani develops software that can erase unwanted information from internet faster than GoogleThe study covers ten countries from Central Asia, the caucuses and South Asia (including Pakistan), focusing on internet infrastructure and related issues.The report is the third in a series of ISOC studies that look at sub-regional internet ecosystems and their level of progress towards transitioning to a digital economy – where the internet is the underlying driver of all sectors across an economy.ISOC’s Singh said that through adoption of effective and favourable policies by the government – and pursuing agreements with neighbouring governments – Pakistan in the near future could find itself as an integral part of the supply chain to these countries.“This will also allow it to enhance its own internal internet bandwidth availability and help pave the way for greater digitisation of Pakistan’s own economy with growth, modernisation and development in all sectors.” However, the report also underscores that the window of opportunity for Pakistan to position itself in this manner is finite..
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Hmm. The air crash of the private airline in Pakistan seems to have been caused by a drunk pilot. The Paki Bolis in true Martial style, clambered over the walls of the pilots house to arrest him.

Drinking is an act of terrorism in Pakistan, if you are a pilot
Earlier this summer, I was on a Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) flight that was oversold. Instead of pushing off extra passengers onto another flight, the flight crew allowed one random passenger to crouch on the floor in the cockpit — for a flight over some of the world’s tallest mountains. Domestic airlines in Pakistan also seem far less strict in enforcing restrictions on weight limits for luggage
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Seems Benis worthy.
But there is also past precedent for a Pakistani pilot being drunk in the cockpit, despite the country’s conservative reputation.

In 2013, authorities in the United Kingdom arrested a PIA pilot and jailed him for nine months after he smelled of alcohol while preparing to fly about 150 passengers from Leeds-Bradford airport to Islamabad. The pilot reportedly had a blood alcohol limit of four times the legal limit for a pilot in the United Kingdom.
Yawn.. Bull Cattle then huh ?
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yes that was a senior 777 pilot with years of experience on the range at that.

btw before departure the ground staff has to hand over a sheet with luggage distribution and weight details to the pilots to help them plan their fuel burn. looks like things are being run on a wing and a prayer since civil planes are over engineered.
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Falijee wrote:Ganja Sharif Wants To Share Expertise On Counter-Terrorism With France
Speaking to the prime minister, French Ambassador to Pakistan Martine Dorance said the French people and government had a lot to learn from the Pakistani nation( hope she knows what she talking about ) and government's resilience.
I only hope the French Ambassador said those words out of being nice diplomatically and did not mean anything.

If not, Azam Khan & MSA's words pale into insignificance.
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Salman Khurshid lauds Sharif, slams Modi in Pakistan

Published on Nov 15, 2015
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Is Manishankar Aiyar seeking help from Pakistan to defeat Modi ?

Published on Nov 16, 2015
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Salman Khurshid was Ex-Minister of External Affairs of India.
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Tv9 Gujarat- Narendra Modi attacks Congress's Pakistan policy , Hyderabad

Published on Aug 11, 2013
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Narendra Modi says the following:
- BSF were told not to fire on the Bangladheshi infiltrators. And allow them to infiltrate if they are too powerful.
- Chinese troops crossed LAC. India's External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid went to Beijing and expressed desire to live in Beijing.
- Pakistanis attacked Indian soldiers and chopped their heads off. At that time, Salman Khurshid was hosting a lunch for Pakistani delegation in Jaipur claiming that it was a protocol.
- Italian marines attacked Indian fishermen on India's coast and killed them for no reason. But, they immediately got bail.

Terror Boat: BJP Slams Congress of Speaking Same Language as Pakistan - India TV

Published on Jan 4, 2015
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Dr. Sambit Patra, BJP Spokesperson says that Congress supplying oxygen to Pakistan.

Siddharth Nath Singh Attacks Congress , Says Stop Talking The Language Of Pakistan

Published on Aug 22, 2015
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Siddharth Nath Singh, Spokesperson of BJP says that Congress should stop speaking the language of Pakistan on NSA talks issue.

Debate: ISI's seminar circuit - 1

Uploaded on Jul 21, 2011
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Debate: ISI's seminar circuit - 2

Uploaded on Jul 21, 2011
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Some points raised in the video:
Kuldip Nayyar and Rajendar Sachar and many other eminent intellectuals attended seminars of Ghulam Nabi Fai. Geelani was given visa to attend Fai's seminar.

Pakistan is blackmailing Congress Govt and India - Dr. Subramanyam Swamy

Published on Aug 13, 2012
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Rahul Gandhi has connection with Pakistan ISI Agents - Subramanian Swamy

Published on Oct 14, 2011
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9/11 funding originated from India, says ex-Delhi Police commissioner :roll:
(Typical example of how Aam Abduls are brainwashed by sensational headlines- until you read the farticle, where the Paki connection is revealed.:twisted: )
NEW DELHI - Part of funding for 9/11 attacks in the US had originated from India, according to India’s former top police officer Neeraj Kumar, who has based his claim on the ‘revelation’ made by a terrorist.
Kumar, who served in CBI and retired as Delhi Police commissioner two years back, said that the funds were raised from a kidnapping and handed over to the chief of the 9/11 attackers by terrorist Omar Sheikh who was released by India in exchange of hijacked Indian Airlines plane in 1999.
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WRT Raheel's visit to DC.
There is a sense of urgency in the Americans here.
Pakistani finally operationalized its plutonium reprocessing plant in Chashma in Jan Feb this year.
My fear is that Pakistan is racing towards replacing its Uranium duds from its centrifuge program with Pu bombs from its new cheeni supplied reactors in Khusab.

No one was bothering much because they were a "Nuclear Weapons" power - the duds nonwithstanding.
At least one is somewhat reassured that intel is uptodate on Pakistan's status.

If this is not resolved politically by massa, one wonders what options there might be to prevent Pakistan going up on the N weapons ladder.
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johneeGJi, that stuff from traitors like MSA and SK are awful. But its already been 2+ days. It doesn't seem to me that they are paying any price for that. (Ditto revelation about RG's UK citizineship but thats not the topic f this thread). But question is why isn't BJP/ModiJi going after these traitors and giving them a one-way ticket to TSP. More important, is MSA seeking Paki help in overthrowing ModiJi. And we know what that means. Point being all this is worthless if ModiJi/BJP are too chicken to after them. TSP will only be emboldened to pick traitors like these guys and derive maximum propaganda value, while the "intolerant" theme sticks to ModiJi like glue.
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"South Asia" expert fraud Uneven has often said that TSP may be bad (paraphrasing), may be paranoid, but even paranoid have "legitimate" enemies. Spoken straight from the ISI mouth. Similarly, many of us may not agree at the domestic level on Shiv Sena's shrillness and sometime violent action, but if they have succeeded in keeping TSP away from India in all walks, including kirket, more power to them. Thus, TSP is the enemy of entire India including SS whose actions as I said at the domestic level may be a tad excessive

http://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/news/251 ... with-india
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Gagan wrote: Pakistani finally operationalized its plutonium reprocessing plant in Chashma in Jan Feb this year.
My fear is that Pakistan is racing towards replacing its Uranium duds from its centrifuge program with Pu bombs from its new cheeni supplied reactors in Khusab.
Gagan it is more difficult to get Pu bombs to work. Uranium is easier apparently. Technically simply "assembling" a critical mass of U quickly can cause an explosion. Pu does not allow that.

That aside, the main worry that the US may have is that if Islamists take over overtly they will get nukes to use against the west. So we are back at the old paradox - the US would be satisfied if Islamist violence of the Paki army were aimed at India - which has been the case from 1947 till now. But increasingly the US is beginning to see that you cannot cook Islamic extremism and then demand that it attacks only targets that the US wants. Sooner or later Islamism breaks free to spread crap everywhere. The US is trying to treat the Paki army as a special ally that will care for the nukes and not let them get out. That means paying lots of money. Need to see where this goes...
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Facebook Has Completely Destroyed Pakistani Society Says Paki Supreme Court Judge :shock:
‘Keeping Girlfriend’ Is Western Culture Not Ours: SC
This he remarked while taking up a case of blackmailing on social networking website ‘Facebook’ on Wednesday.
A three-members bench headed by Justice Ameer Hani Muslim rejected the bail plea of a man accused of blackmailing a girl on ‘Facebook’.
Shagufta Amin, the plaintiff, had accused one Muhammad Munir of blackmailing her on Facebook. However, the defendant’s lawyer told the apex court that Munir had made Facebook account for the plaintiff with her consent. He added that both are in a relationship.
Referring to the defence lawyer’s explanation, Justice Ameer Hani Muslim remarked that ‘keeping girlfriend’ is a western culture and Pakistan has no room for it. He maintained that Facebook has completely destroyed Pakistani society.
Granted that the "Hon Judge Of The Supreme Court" may consider himself to be a Luddite , but is it not going overboard by branding all "Paki Facebook members" as unislamic, which for his information would include hardcore islamists like Hafez Suar, ISPR, Musharaf, Kaptaan, and millions of Aam Abduls and Ayeshas :mrgreen:
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^--- I hope this means that all Pakis will be halaaled for insulting Islam?
One can only hope.
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Pakistan Not Islamic Enough - Lal Masjid Imam :roll:
Lal Masjid cleric vows to ‘pursue his mission’
ISLAMABAD: Maulana Abdul Aziz of Lal Masjid has vowed to continue his ‘Movement for the establishment of Holy Quran and Sunnah’ and rejected the local administration’s warning note against his activities as of no value.
“But for the regard of decency, I would have torn to pieces the deputy commissioner’s note,” he said in a statement issued late Sunday night in response to a warning issued to him on Friday that he could be arrested for reneging on his written undertaking to observe the law.
This guy must have high value supporters in the Deep State; the deputy commissioner is obviously not in the loop. :mrgreen:
Even harsher was his video message on the social media(but did not a Hon Judge of the Supreme Court just ruled that "social media is unislamic?) addressed to DC Islamabad Mushtaq Ahmed, but without naming him.
“You shed your uniforms for the sake of dirty democracy of Nawaz Sharif and Imran Khan,” he said. “But when I invite [people] to Holy Quran and Sunnah, you send threatening letter to me.”
So, Ganja and Kaptaan, who always invoke the name of Islam on every public occasion are not green enough for him? :shock:
He demanded retrial of all prisoners in the country under the supervision of Islamic experts to determine whether their sentences were in accordance with Sharia or not.
It is obvious that this guy cannot be "touched"; in any other normal country, he would be booked for "provocation" !
Maulana Aziz was delivered the warning on Friday after he, with his wife Umme Hassan, led a rally from Lal Masjid to their residence in the female seminary Jamia Sumaya in G-7, allegedly in violation of the undertakings he gave to the administration in August to observe the restrictions put on his movements under the Anti-Terrorism Act 1997.
In the undertaking that he gave in writing to the Islamabad police chief, Maulana Aziz said he neither belonged to nor had any affiliation with any banned group.
Maulana Aziz responded by decrying the State and its functionaries. It was issued by Shuhada Foundation of Pakistan, as was his 30-minute video message in which he urged the entire government machinery, including the armed forces, to support the mission of enforcing Islam in the country.

Just the other day, another group of Maulanas wanted to ban the use of the word "liberal" to describe Pakhanistan ; so the battle for the heart and soul of Aam Abduls continues and the field is open to decide who is the greenest of them all :mrgreen:
“What we find on TV screens and in print form is not what Islam teaches,” the aide said. “The media need to be told the role
and responsibilities Islam demands from them.”
Maulana Aziz also wants the taxation system to follow Quranic injunctions, ensure stipends and security of shelter for the poor.
“Those raising the demand to implement Holy Quran and Sunnah have faced state persecution in this country since 1998,” the cleric said, referring to the murder of his father, Maulana Abdullah, that year.
So, it is revenge politics in the name of Mailsi? And he is calling for Kammundu's head for the Lal Masjid operation
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johneeG wrote:Salman Khurshid lauds Sharif, slams Modi in Pakistan
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Published on Nov 15, 2015
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Is Manishankar Aiyar seeking help from Pakistan to defeat Modi ?
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Published on Nov 16, 2015
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Salman Khurshid was Ex-Minister of External Affairs of India.
Pakistan lives under hanging sword of the jihadi army. To talk politics in Pakistan itself is laughable, leave aside talking about any democracy or the world's largest democracy.
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9/11 attack partially funded from India, claims former New Delhi police chief

This fact (bag master for Al Qaeda ) has been known for a long time in intelligence circles and yet no action had been taken against Omar Saeed Sheikh, triple agent (Al Qaeda, ISI, MI-5) until he was found guilty, as an ISI agent, of organizing the murder of US citizen, Daniel Pearl, after which even Musharaf, powerful as he was at that time , was unable, because of intense US pressure, from jail, where the ISI still uses his many talents to create "mischief" off and on, from his cell ! :evil:
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Found this Photo of Ganja getting Maanja from Chiding Biden and Incoming Paki President Moochar Sharif getting blessing from Massa Grandpa.
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Don't want to say this but there is a history of political assassinations in India.
Politicians who are upwardly mobile, suddenly die in road accidents, airplane or helicoptor crashes or get shot by disgruntled family members. Some get blown up by suicide bombers or get shot by their bodyguards.

These are assassinations, and someone in the shadows, with a political motive may have played a hand.

MSA is asking those people in the shadows to do something about modi. It is interesting that he should say this on TV in Pakistan, that salman khursheed should say what he said too...
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What possible help could the congress I seek from Pakistan?
God knows they've done enough corruption in 10 years, that their coffers from dilli to caymen islands are full.

What help can they possibly be seeking from Pakistan hain ji? Has politics and hatred for Modi stooped to such levels?
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MSA wants Pakistan to do something about modi quickly. He feels that using the democratic way, as suggested by the program's host will take time, and then every one must wait for that rather time consuming process to happen. He is probably expecting that in 10 years, enough anti-incumbency might set in, and the people of India will re-elect the Congress I to power.
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The pressure on pakistan to adhere to FMCT, is because chashma came on line, the khushab reactors are coming on line.

There is more to the new-clear secrets of Pakistan than is known.
Shiv-ji, both you and I and the people who need to know, understand that tactical-nukes-on-Nasr is BS. Pakistan has reasonable command and control, and they don't want someone like the TTP or some random yahoo to get a hold of their crown jewels. I don't think Pakistan is foolish enough to deploy their bombs in the field and leave them at the mercy of an artillery CO. These are crown jewels, they will never leave the possession of their SFC, unless the COAS himself signs off on it.

This raheel sharif going to DC himself is something else. Whatever deal massa has with Pakistan, money / aid will change hands. Massa knows pakistani culture well, to put some money in the pocket of visiting guests when they are leaving.
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Isn't that why a bunch of Paki IT wizards had come up with a shariah version called 'Muslim Face'? Why are the Bakis using FB?
Keeping girlfriend is western culture, but keeping slave girls is completely halal desert culture.
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I bet if the abdul had put forward his case that he was maintaining a left hand possession ie an online harem or some such green-compliant reason, the judge would have been singing paens in his favour and would have opened an account himself...
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Gagan wrote:What possible help could the congress I seek from Pakistan?
God knows they've done enough corruption in 10 years, that their coffers from dilli to caymen islands are full.What help can they possibly be seeking from Pakistan hain ji? Has politics and hatred for Modi stooped to such levels?
The visit may have to do with Hawala money Congi have looted from Indians and kept in Dubai etc. It also coincide with arrival of Chotta Rajan and trail on Dawood Bhai getting hot.
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The bomb next door that’s ticking away - G.Parthasarathy, Business Line
Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto lamented in his prison memoirs — as he awaited execution in 1977 — that while the “Christian, Jewish and Hindu” civilisations had nuclear weapons capability, it was the “Islamic civilization” alone that did not possess “full nuclear capability”. Saudi Arabia, Libya and others initially financed fulfilment of this Bhutto dream. Bhutto’s successors were liberal in transferring nuclear weapons technology and designs to Libya and Iran and offering such technology to Iraq.

These pan-Islamic views were and are shared by a number of Pakistan’s nuclear scientists. Shortly after the 9/11 terrorist strikes, two senior Pakistani nuclear scientists, Sultan Bashiruddin Mehmood and Chaudhri Abdul Majeed, were charged with helping Al Qaeda acquire nuclear weapons. Two other scientists, Suleiman Asad and Ali Mukhtar, wanted for questioning about their links with the Al Qaeda and Taliban, mysteriously disappeared while on a visit to Myanmar.

A ‘fact sheet’ published by the White House then stated that both Asad and Mukhtar had meetings with Mullah Omar and Osama bin Laden during repeated visits to Kandahar, prior to 9/11. It is no secret that AQ Khan’ s successor, Samar Mubarak Mand, is also a hard-core Islamist, no less India-obsessed than AQ Khan. Pakistan’s contacts and partners for nuclear proliferation extended to Saudi Arabia, Iraq and even North Korea, with which it struck a deal for supplying enrichment technology in exchange for liquid-fuelled ‘Nodong’ missiles. It is not surprising that, given this dubious track record on nuclear proliferation, Pakistan has few backers for an Indian style ‘nuclear deal’, in the international community, apart from its ‘all-weather friend’ and partner in nuclear proliferation, the Peoples Republic of China.

India-centric doctrine

Having acquired nuclear weapons, Pakistan was initially at a loss to spell out its nuclear doctrine, apart from repeating the mantra that its nuclear deterrent was exclusively “India centric”. About a decade ago, Lt General Khalid Kidwai, the longtime head of strategic planning of Pakistan’s National (Nuclear) Command Authority declared that Pakistan’s nuclear weapons were “aimed solely at India”.

Kidwai added that Pakistan would use nuclear weapons if India conquered a large part of Pakistani territory, or destroyed a large part of its land and air forces. He also held out the possibility of the use of nuclear weapons if India attempted to “economically strangle” Pakistan, or push it to political destabilisation.

In the decade that has elapsed since Kidwai spoke, Pakistan has used its plutonium reactors and reprocessing plants in Khushab, located 200 km south of Islamabad, which have been supplied by China, to build light, relatively low-yield tactical nuclear weapons, mounted on short-range ‘Nasr’ missiles. Pakistan describes this development as indicating that it now has “full spectrum nuclear capability” to launch low-yield tactical weapons against Indian army formations along the international border.

On October 21, Pakistan’s foreign secretary, Aizaz Chaudhry, proclaimed: “Pakistan has built the infrastructure to launch a quick response to Indian aggression… Usage of low yield nuclear weapons would make it difficult for India to launch an attack against Pakistan.” While this may appear to make sense in the Rajasthan-Sind region, it is certainly not feasible in Punjab, where the border areas in Pakistan are densely populated. Surely, the Punjabi-dominated Pakistan army does not intend to use its inability to fight a conventional war, to nuke its own Punjabi brethren on its borders with India!

Unambiguous stand

India’s nuclear doctrine, first officially enunciated in January 2003, asserts that it intends to build and maintain a “credible nuclear deterrent”. While adopting a policy of “no first use”, it clarifies that its nuclear weapons will be used against an attack on Indian territory, or on Indian forces anywhere, in which nuclear or chemical weapons are used.

There is no ambiguity about the Indian doctrine. An attack on its territory, or its armed forces, in which nuclear weapons are used, irrespective of whether they are low-yield tactical nuclear weapons or strategic high-yield nukes, will face a massive nuclear response. The Pakistani civilian and military elite in Punjab will find the cost of an Indian response to Pakistan’s use of low-yield tactical nuclear weapons against Indian forces anywhere, not merely “unacceptable”, but also “unbearable”. Pakistan will be very foolish to test out Indian resolve to respond massively to its use of tactical nuclear weapons.

Pakistan will be particularly well advised to bear in mind the reality that Punjab province, where both its civilian and military elite live, is densely populated. Its cantonments facing India are in this province.

Moreover, Pakistan’s army has mounted military operations, involving the use of air power in certain cases, in populated areas of its three other provinces — Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Baluchistan and Sind. Thousands of innocent Pakistani civilians have perished in the damage the army has inflicted. The Punjabi army elite evidently regards people in these provinces as less than equal — a mindset that cost them dearly in Bangladesh. In seeking to dominate the Pashtuns in their homeland, the Punjabi-dominated army seems to forget that historically it is only the Sikhs in Punjab who have prevailed over the Pashtuns, till the Khyber Pass. It is self-evident that General Raheel Sharif is no Hari Singh Nalwa, who led the forces of Maharaja Ranjit Singh.

Foolish adventurism

Dealing with Pakistani nuclear illusions and delusions needs a multi-pronged approach. First and foremost, Pakistan should be presented a stark picture of what would happen to its Punjab province if it resorts foolishly to nuclear adventurism, whether tactical or strategic. Diplomatically, India should expose the consequences to global nuclear safety and security, of Pakistan’s refusal to join a Fissile Materials Cut-off Treaty.

Given the Islamist inclinations of its nuclear scientists and a wide cross-section of its Punjabi military-nuclear establishment, and their past proliferation record, it will be necessary for responsible countries, to take serious note of the dangerous implications of Pakistan’s nukes falling into the wrong hands. An equally serious effort needs to be undertaken to expose China’s role in the development and expansion of Pakistan’s nuclear and missile arsenal. China, which has violated every international norm to curtail the proliferation of missile and nuclear weapons technology, believes it is not accountable to anyone, because it is a permanent member of the UN Security Council. This arrogance, by a country that professes to be a votary of peace, needs to be exposed.

The writer is a former High Commissioner to Pakistan
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GP is matter of fact and very generously smirches the pak-jabi musharrafs with bhut jolokia chilli seeds. :rotfl:
If only the ass-hol*s sitting in the north and south block were as as clear headed as GP.
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SSridhar wrote:The bomb next door that’s ticking away - G.Parthasarathy, Business Line

Dealing with Pakistani nuclear illusions and delusions needs a multi-pronged approach. First and foremost, Pakistan should be presented a stark picture of what would happen to its Punjab province if it resorts foolishly to nuclear adventurism, whether tactical or strategic.
Recap: Effect of Single nuke on Rawal town area of Rawalpindi.
http://www.aame.in/2012/02/nuclear-weap ... istan.html
As detailed above, a single 50 kiloton blast over a crucial populated area of Rawalpindi will kill over 400,000 people and leave a similar number injured. This amounts to about 25% of the population of Rawalpindi. Since most of the people targeted will be poor to middle class, selectively sparing the wealthy who are spread out in their communities, a disproportionate number of the service segment of Islamabad and Rawalpindi will be wiped out ensuring that the cities will become unlivable in a week to ten days time. Even if thousands of people are recruited from outside to come in and help their primary work will be hampered by roads choked with refugees flowing out of the city and their work, in any case will have to be to handle the injured and clear the area of dead rotting bodies before any serious repair work can be undertaken.

250,000 injured people is a huge number. Many will go a few hundred meters or a few km and collapse on the road, with a huddle of relatives around them not knowing what to do. At best, the United States is said to have at any given time the beds to handle 2000 cases of burns simultaneously and that is all over the US. If push comes to shove, the US with its facilities may be able to ramp up that figure to 10,000 cases (again all over the US). There is absolutely no chance of a city like Islamabad/Rawalpindi of handling 35 to 40,000 cases of flash burns simultaneously from a total of 350,000 injured people with all sorts of injuries. No country in the world can do that. Inevitably - many will die and those that die will be the poorer people of the service sector as the rich elite will fill up understaffed hospital beds with even minor injuries.

And this is just one nuke on one city. I believe Pakistani leaders who wish to start a nuclear war with India will have to consider very carefully what they are asking for, and remember that they will probably survive the Indian retaliation, and will emerge from their nuclear bunkers to live in a country such as what I have described above. They will then have to see how long they can continue to live under such circumstances or which country will accept them as refugees if they want to cut and run, after having started a nuclear war."
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These Paki elites and their whole families will be hunted down like wild pigs by Indians. They are mistaken if they think they will emerge from their holes unhurt afterward and keep on living like nothing happened.
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Pakistan must be presented with stark pictures of not only countervalue but also counterforce destruction. For the PA, a few million momin is no big deal but a brigade would be unacceptable. India must present a picture of how several brigades would be wiped out and how GHQ would be gone. India must also make known its unwavering determination to wipe out Pakistan even if one TNW attack is made on Indian forces. Up until the incumbent government assumed power, Pakistan had a poor opinion of such an Indian determination because it simply extrapolated Indian reaction to Pakistani jihadi terror attacks to the nuclear realm as well. That was perhaps a costly mistake on Pakistan's part because I would not believe that any Indian government would take a nuke attack and remain docile. But, the actions of the present government have conveyed that this is an altogether different ball game now. If we can activate cold start at some point of time in retaliation to a future terrorist attack, that will call the Pakistani bluff of terrorism under a nuclear umbrella. Pakistan will be truly nuke nude then.

Of course, Pakistan would try to bluster its way through by presenting a counter narrative on how India would be attacked by Pakistani nukes. It is for this reason that it has been projecting an exaggerated figure of 130 warheads and still counting etc. Some American thinktanks are part of this Project Exaggeration to intimidate India. I am pretty sure that GoI has a more or less accurate value of the number of warheads Pakistan possesses which is most certainly not in such high numbers.
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SSridhar wrote:Pakistan must be presented with stark pictures of not only countervalue but also counterforce destruction. For the PA, a few million momin is no big deal but a brigade would be unacceptable. India must present a picture of how several brigades would be wiped out and how GHQ would be gone. India must also make known its unwavering determination to wipe out Pakistan even if one TNW attack is made on Indian forces. Up until the incumbent government assumed power, Pakistan had a poor opinion of such an Indian determination because it simply extrapolated Indian reaction to Pakistani jihadi terror attacks to the nuclear realm as well. That was perhaps a costly mistake on Pakistan's part because I would not believe that any Indian government would take a nuke attack and remain docile. But, the actions of the present government have conveyed that this is an altogether different ball game now. If we can activate cold start at some point of time in retaliation to a future terrorist attack, that will call the Pakistani bluff of terrorism under a nuclear umbrella. Pakistan will be truly nuke nude then.

Of course, Pakistan would try to bluster its way through by presenting a counter narrative on how India would be attacked by Pakistani nukes. It is for this reason that it has been projecting an exaggerated figure of 130 warheads and still counting etc. Some American thinktanks are part of this Project Exaggeration to intimidate India. I am pretty sure that GoI has a more or less accurate value of the number of warheads Pakistan possesses which is most certainly not in such high numbers.
This is where the Indian film industry needs to make a movie like the 1983 "The Day After" of what would happen to Pakistan. In any case, TSP does not have TNW capability. Their fissile material will not reach full fission and what will be left is a dirty radiological hazard.
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Good stuff. On why Pak is the original Islamic state created by Indian muslims (and not by the muslims who actually lived in Punjab and Sindh)

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Pakistan Carts Its Nukes Around In Delivery Vans

Posting this "old story" in the context of the current discussion going on here; wonder if things have changed now !
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No Pakistani suspect arrested in wake of Paris attacks: FO :roll:
Should have added the word "so far" :mrgreen: implication being that "Pak's reputation" is known world wide !
ISLAMABAD: No suspect of Pakistani origin has been arrested in connection with the Paris attacks last week, which were claimed by the militant self-styled Islamic State (IS) group, Foreign Office spokesperson Qazi Khalilullah said Thursday.
Are there other rumours circulating ?
Khalilullah said Pakistan has made it clear that the presence of Daesh — the Arabic acronym for IS — will not be tolerated on its land. He added that terrorism should not be associated with any religion, reported Radio Pakistan.
No amount of public relation gimmicks can change the perception and the reality of the "Religion of Peace".
The spokesman said Pakistan is cooperating with the international community in combating terrorism. :((
In response to a question, the Khalilullah urged the international community not to pursue discriminatory policy on nuclear issue in South Asia saying this will have impact on the strategic stability of the region.
He termed the New York Times editorial on country's nuclear arsenals as mistaken and based on prejudice. He said the editorial attempted to portray truly portrayed Pakistan as a country irresponsibly building its nuclear arsenals.
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Caution:Some benis infusion

Who said TFTAness was skin deep, hainji?
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Called the Al Zarrar by HIT Takshashila( Who BTW, have had to face many tech denial regimes from China to Turkiye to R&D this)

We call it Al RuskieMcKaboom.

This was a result of the Momeens in Uniform having a friendly fire incident with Momeens in plain clothes.
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