The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

The Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum is a venue to discuss issues pertaining to India's security environment, her strategic outlook on global affairs and as well as the effect of international relations in the Indian Subcontinent. We request members to kindly stay within the mandate of this forum and keep their exchanges of views, on a civilised level, however vehemently any disagreement may be felt. All feedback regarding forum usage may be sent to the moderators using the Feedback Form or by clicking the Report Post Icon in any objectionable post for proper action. Please note that the views expressed by the Members and Moderators on these discussion boards are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the Bharat-Rakshak.com Website. Copyright Violation is strictly prohibited and may result in revocation of your posting rights - please read the FAQ for full details. Users must also abide by the Forum Guidelines at all times.
UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14045
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by UlanBatori »

Don't want to bring bad luck, but do u realize that Comrade Vlad's air carnival has been on since Sep 30 with not a single downing of anything reported - no helicopter, no transport, no fighter?
So much for "Russky AF is poorly maintained!"
1000s of sorties, unfamiliar terrain, sand, heat, poor infrastructure, but NO disasters. Of course, not counting the Schweppes mijjile. This has gone far better than DejertShield, Afghan campaign 2001 or Shahkinah. Amazing, really.
Austin
BRF Oldie
Posts: 23387
Joined: 23 Jul 2000 11:31

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by Austin »

deejay wrote:The TFTAest video of compilation Syrian Air campaign I've seen so far, though very few helicopter shots:

Nice , don't knew Syrian AF operated 29's
sudhan
BRFite
Posts: 1155
Joined: 01 Jul 2009 17:53
Location: Timbuktoo..

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by sudhan »

rsingh wrote:
Singha wrote:rebel radio tower knocked down. watch with sound for both the blast and the AOAs!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8FolwWKm_4
Is that a bird getting his 72 as well?
Looks like it, probably knocked out cold by the pressure wave..

Doesn't look like a hit on the tower to me..
Lalmohan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13257
Joined: 30 Dec 2005 18:28

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by Lalmohan »

Black ops in full thrust
member_29172
BRFite
Posts: 375
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by member_29172 »

More like back ops in full thrust
Lalmohan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13257
Joined: 30 Dec 2005 18:28

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by Lalmohan »

the sunday sport is a well known paragon of journalistic sobriety, having formerly brought us news that hitler and hirohito are living on the moon in drag and various other gems...
member_29172
BRFite
Posts: 375
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by member_29172 »

A year old video, posting for the nice visuals

mahaperu
BRFite -Trainee
Posts: 8
Joined: 26 Feb 2010 21:40

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by mahaperu »

Austin wrote:With Iran allowing Russian Bombers operating in its airspace and even accompaining it and similarly Iraq allowing Cruise Missile fly over its airspace , it bring up some interesting re-allignment in the future as far as Russian-Iran-Iraq-Syria alliance.

"EU countries like Germany and France has no problems with Assad being part of transition
"

Germany has mostly less of a problem than France. In fact 3 countries have the most animosity to Assad are Saudi Arabia, Turkey and France. Assads allies are Iran and Russia. France is one western country that is most against Assad. All western countries are against Assad but none as much as France
Sid
BRFite
Posts: 1655
Joined: 19 Mar 2006 13:26

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by Sid »

Austin wrote:
habal , Its Iranian Mig-31 for Tu-95 and F-4 for Backfire ,check the link its got some good pictures of both

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1588157.html
No mon ami, thats a F-14. Not Mig 31.

ironic, an American war machine escorting Roosi bum trucks.
Lalmohan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13257
Joined: 30 Dec 2005 18:28

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by Lalmohan »

i sort of understand how the iranians keep their F4's and F5's flying, but I really struggle to understand how they've kept the F14's air worthy all this time... its not like there are other customers out there
Sid
BRFite
Posts: 1655
Joined: 19 Mar 2006 13:26

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by Sid »

During Shah regime, Americans transferred a lot of tech (full f-14 TOT) to eyeRan. Similar to Turks, who have almost full control over F-16 production line. If Turks go rogue tomorrow, u can expect F-16 flying even after 20 yrs frm now without US support.

After Iran I guess they learned their lesson the hard way.
UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14045
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by UlanBatori »

More like back ops in full thrust
I think being around a Russian bombardment would have the same effect, hain?
UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14045
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by UlanBatori »

The legitimate Syrian army advanced in an offensive Saturday, reclaiming two mountains and an armory depot near the town of Mahin in the country’s province of Homs, after Russian jets reportedly intensified attacks on ISIL in the area.
Oil well pumps are seen in the Rmeilane oil field in Syria's northerneastern Hasakeh province on July 15, 2015
© AFP 2015/ YOUSSEF KARWASHAN
Russia's Airstrikes on Illegal Oil Infrastructure Undermine ISIL's Livelihood
Russian bombers on Saturday conducted more than 70 airstrikes against militants in Syria, Xinhua reported, citing pan-Arab al-Mayadeen TV.

According to the report, Russian aviation has "intensified" its strikes, hitting Jihadists’ positions next to the ancient city of Palmyra, near the town of Mahin and the al-Shaer oil field in the East of Homs Province. After that Syrian army managed to regain two mountains and an arm depot in the Mahin area, the report declared.

Moreover, Syrian forces succeeded in recapturing large parts of al-Zahiyeh mountain located in the countryside of the country’s western coastal city of Latakia due to the prolific work of Russian bombers, amid activists’s reports of mass displacement from the area in the direction of Turkish border.

Tu-95MS strategic bomber
© Fotobank.ru/Getty Images
Russia’s Tu-95 Bomber Upgraded to Carry New Nuclear-Tipped Missiles
The attacks are being carried out as a part of intensified air campaign aiming to destroy ISIL positions in several areas around Syria.

Russia started its anti-ISIL operation in Syria in late September, after an official request from the war-torn country’s authorities. Since then, the Russian effort to hit ISIL positions across the country, has been praised by state officials as providing serious assistance in combating the militants.

Russia intensified the airstrikes recently to assist Syrian forces in combating ISIL and other militant organizations in countries key areas, sucah as Latakia countryside, Aleppo and Homs, Xinhua concluded.

Read more:
NRao
BRF Oldie
Posts: 19332
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: Illini Nation

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by NRao »

Image

Iranian F-14s escorting a Russian tu in Iranian air space
UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14045
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by UlanBatori »

Sid wrote:
Austin wrote: habal , Its Iranian Mig-31 for Tu-95 and F-4 for Backfire, check the link its got some good pictures of both
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1588157.html
No mon ami, thats a F-14. Not Mig 31.
ironic, an American war machine escorting Roosi bum trucks.
Soon I hope 2 c French Rafales escorting Tu-95s as they bomb the pakistan out of ex-NATO airbases hosting F-16s and F-15s operated by the ISIS (Turkey and KSA) while BO and his moron bunch pick their noses.
Satya_anveshi
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3532
Joined: 08 Jan 2007 02:37

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by Satya_anveshi »

This is THE message that needs to be given and MUST be followed thru ruthlessly. If they can get the highest level approver for this incident, message will be truly sent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2-QDsS73ik
Philip
BRF Oldie
Posts: 21537
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: India

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by Philip »

This is the message that should've been made by mini-mini-Singh after the 26/11 attacks.Instead of the "befitting replies" given ad nauseum to Pak by UPA mouthpieces.We now have reports that the "US is drawing closer to Pak" after the Paris attacks becos of needed Pak cooperation in Afghanistan! What could be more duplicitous than that! Pak shelters the masterminds of 26/11 and the US gets "closer" tp it! The US ambassador should be summoned and read out the riot act.But will this regime also strum and fiddle in the face of Paki terror?

In a BBC Dateline talkshow,the Q came up as to why the Saudis and Gulfies were not taking in Syrian refugees and why the West was turning a blind eye,doing nothing about their Wahaabi jihadi sponsorship (arms sales). Uncomfortable Qs for the white western panelists who could only wriggle with embarrassment.
Austin
BRF Oldie
Posts: 23387
Joined: 23 Jul 2000 11:31

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by Austin »

mahaperu wrote: Germany has mostly less of a problem than France. In fact 3 countries have the most animosity to Assad are Saudi Arabia, Turkey and France. Assads allies are Iran and Russia. France is one western country that is most against Assad. All western countries are against Assad but none as much as France
IIRC Germany FM has Assad being part of transition is not a problem for them , Hollande recenly mentioned that ISIS is their enemy not Assad.

Iran support it , Iraq I think does not mind Assad is in power , China position on Assad is not known really.

So the country who opposes Assad is Turkey , Saudi and US
Austin
BRF Oldie
Posts: 23387
Joined: 23 Jul 2000 11:31

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by Austin »

Sid wrote:
Austin wrote:
habal , Its Iranian Mig-31 for Tu-95 and F-4 for Backfire ,check the link its got some good pictures of both

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1588157.html
No mon ami, thats a F-14. Not Mig 31.

ironic, an American war machine escorting Roosi bum trucks.
Yes was a typo , I think its customary for any nation to accompany/escort a foreign fighter during military ops , part of protocol
Austin
BRF Oldie
Posts: 23387
Joined: 23 Jul 2000 11:31

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by Austin »

Check this video , at 1:15 it shows the path Tu-160 has flown , it has flown all over the Baltic Atlantic in International Airspace over Med Sea to launch Cruise Missile , pretty long flight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS2w1zzLrmg
habal
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6922
Joined: 24 Dec 2009 18:46

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by habal »

Erdogan is going to come under spotlight:
TURKISH Socialist party member Gursel Tekin has established that Daesh’s smuggled oil is exported to Turkey by BMZ, a shipping company controlled by none other than BILAL ERDOGAN, son of “Sultan” Erdogan. At a minimum, this violates UN Security Council resolution 2170. Under the light of Putin’s message of going after anyone or any entity engaged in facilitating Daesh’s operations, Erdogan’s clan better come up with some really good excuses.

A senior Western official familiar with a large cache of intelligence obtained this summer said that “direct dealings between Turkish officials and ranking ISIS members was now ‘undeniable.’”
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/322613-russi ... ion-syria/

Code: Select all

Latest Peto Lucem map on the NE Latakia past 48 hrs offensive, impressive gains, [b]Al Qaeda Turkmen in desperation as NDF and SAA are cutting off their supply line with Turkey[/b]. Map shows gains from the start of the offensive.
https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/668089137585627139

Erdogan 'threatens' Russia
Erdogan is upping his hand and sent today a number of Turkish MIT/SF/paramilitary troops and trucks of ammo to hold the NE Latakia offensive, things are escalating there and a confrontation between Russia and Turkey seems very likely after Turkish PM has "threatened" Russia yesterday with dire consequences if RuAF continues to hit Turkmen terrorists inside Syria...what a freaking world we live. Lavrov has a trip to Turkey on Nov 25th.
https://twitter.com/agitpapa/status/668165043243085824

So those 500 burning trucks belong to Sultan Erdogan benami compani ??
Philip
BRF Oldie
Posts: 21537
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: India

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by Philip »

Habal,spot on! Exactly what I had speculated upon in an earlier post,that Erdogan and ISIS were business partners just like the Bushes and the Bin Ladens! This is why the Turks are preventing attacks against ISIS by other entities.

This excellent piece by Gurumurthy is relevant to all tds dealing with ISIS and Islamist jihadism.
What may be added is that Wahaab's daughter married into Saud's family,cementing the blood ties.Also that Wahaabi fundamentalism was further promoted by Paki mullahs after Partition entering the gulf.Today the Saudi-Paki religious,military and nuclear nexus is threatening to destroy the civilised world. Until these two entities are truly defeated in their evil intent,world peace will never occur.
[/b]
http://www.newindianexpress.com/columns ... 140694.ece
Paris Mastermind: Abu Oud or Ibn Taymiyyah?
By S Gurumurthy
Published: 22nd November 2015 06:37 AM

French intelligence has named Abdel-Hamid Abu Oud, a Belgian national, as the mastermind behind the Paris carnage. He was killed later. Four of the seven attackers who perished in the process are French. Fifth, the first woman bomber of Europe, later killed herself. Sixth, possibly a Syrian, had landed in Greece in the guise of a refugee and weeks later he bombed Paris. An Egyptian too was perhaps involved. The configuration of unrelated persons raises some fundamental questions that touch the basics. Syrians may target France which had bombed their nation. But why should a Belgian, when France has done no harm to his nation. What have the four Frenchmen to do with Syria or Iraq by birth, language or culture? Why should they target their own nation? Mow down their own people? How they blew themselves to smithereens to harm their own motherland brings out the intensity of their hate. Why such hate for one’s own nation, culture and people? Belgian, Syrian and French, including a woman — the group cannot be more disparate. No one can seriously deny that the common idea that bound and motivated the disparate group is Islam. What strand of Islam it was may be debated, but that their motivation is some strand of Islam is indisputable. The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (IS) has proudly claimed that it did the Jihad in Paris. But the IS is only the hand that hits. Ideology is that what really motivates the hand. What, and not who, made this disparate group converge is the real issue.

IS Emerges

The IS, led by its supremo Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi, aims to re-install the Caliphate — the Islamic State to rule the Muslim world — under a Caliph believed to be descendent of Prophet Muhammad. Tracing the lineage of Al-Baghdadi to the Prophet, the IS appointed Al-Baghdadi as the Caliph, in June 2014. Relying on the Islamic law which mandates all Muslims to owe allegiance to the Caliph, Al-Baghdadi called upon Muslims through a radio message in July 2014 to immigrate to the Islamic State to perform their highest duty of Jihad. Responding to his call, within nine months, by March 2015, some 22,000 Jihadists from 100 nations landed, on their own, in Syria and Iraq. By May, their number rose to 25,000. Take France, the latest victim of Jihad, for instance. Some 520 French (116 of them women) are currently engaged in Jihad in Syria and Iraq with some 137 already martyred.

Islamic terrorist outfits and mobile terrorists are multiplying exponentially. In November 2014, the UAE named 83 Islamist terrorist groups. A study says that, by November 2014, some 60 Jihadist groups in 30 countries had announced support to the IS. The “Caliph” Al-Baghdadi now controls vast parts of Iraq and Syria — in terms of area, population and revenues. Media reported in September that Russian intelligence had offered to the Central Intelligence Agency (US) and the Interpol a massive list of 87,000 Jihadists roaming around in US and Europe, but they refused to receive it because it was “not politically viable in the present atmosphere”. :( The Paris assault happened exactly 60 days later. Is it a surprise then that on just a radio call of Al-Baghdadi, thousands of readymade Jihadists roaming all over the world rushed to join IS-led Jihad? Al-Baghdadi just opened the tap of readily available Jihadists. What, then, motivated the huge army of Jihadists ready on the tap? It calls for a throw back to 14th century when, after long lull, militant Jihad again became part of Islamic tradition — an interesting insight into the history of Jihad that has huge contemporary relevance.

Ibn Taymiyyah

In his book God’s Terrorists: The Wahhabi Cult and the Hidden Roots of Modern Jihad, Charles Allen, a renowned historian of the British Raj in India, traces the history of Wahhabism, the guiding ideology of Islamist modern terrorism. Wahhabism was founded in the 18th century but its seeds were sown centuries before. The 14th century Islamic scholar who re-invented and re-weaponised the concept of Jihad was Ibn Taymiyyah.

In Prophet Mohammed’s times, Jihad was an obligation on Muslims to strive for their faith until the entire world had converted or submitted to Islamic authority. But as Islam transformed into a multi-ethnic world religion, the literalist view of Jihad gave way to pragmatism. The pragmatists cited the famous declaration of the Prophet in Hadith on his return from the battle of Bard, that marked the end of his military campaign against the polytheists, that the Lesser Jihad (Jihad Kabeer) was over; the Greater Jihad (Jihad Akbar) had started. This statement was interpreted in Islam as meaning that the outer and less important physical struggle for Islam was over and had given way to a more important inner, moral struggle. But, after Mongols devastated the Islamic heartland, Ibn Taymiyyah found that the Greater Jihad idea had weakened Islam. He stood for a literal, and against a liberal, idea of Jihad. He defied the Prophet Himself on the pragmatic Greater Jihad. Citing two verses in the Quran (Chapter 2 verse 193; Chapter 8 verse 39) Taymiyya argued that the Prophet’s division of Jihad in Hadith was not authentic because it contradicted the words of God in Koran. He declared that the (indivisible) Jihad against Islam’s adversaries was the finest act a Muslim could perform. Taymiyyah also classified the infidels of Islam in four categories: the Christian; the Muslims with infidel habits unless brought back to Islam; the Muslims not carrying out Islam’s rituals; and those who rejected Islam while still claiming to be Muslims. He declared that no peace was possible with the first two and the next two must be mercilessly killed.

Al-Wahhab

Taymiyya’s theology was rejected in his times. He was branded as a heretic. Even imprisoned. But, says Charles Allen, Taymiyyah’s theology continued to attract adherents. A most famous adherent of his was Muhammed Ibn Abd Al-Wahhab, who founded, in early 18th century, what is now known as the Wahhabi strand of Islam. This most virulent strand of Islam, rejected in the 14th century, was reincarnated four centuries later. Allen says that Al-Wahhab was schooled in Medina under Muhammed Hayat and his father from Sind in India, both followers of Ibn Taymiyya. They encouraged their students to “view the militant jihad as a religious duty”. When Al-Wahhab was studying in Medina, Shah Waliullah from Delhi too was in Medina studying Hadith under a Taymiyyah disciple who was the master of Al-Wahhab’s teacher. Al-Wahhab and Shah Waliullah, both young, went back to their respective countries to implement the radical teachings. In Delhi, Waliullah called for “a return to the first principles of Islam”. He attempted to restore ‘Muslim rule in Hindustan’ by even inviting the Afghan ruler Ahmed Shah Abdalli to invade India and destroy the Hindu Marathas in
battle to bring back the golden days of Mughal Emperor Aurangazeb. But Ahmed Shah was defeated and the Maratha gained dominance in northern India.

But Waliullah’s Medina-mate Al-Wahhab went beyond. Allen says he “was able to construct and apply almost unchallenged a brand of confrontational and heartless Islam, the like of which had not been seen since the days of Mahmud Ghazni, the butcher, who led twelve loot-and-destroy raids on India in the eleventh century, justifying his actions in the name of Islam.” Al-Wahhab’s book Call to Unity, which later became a four-volume affair, expounded the Wahhabi theology. It declared that there should be but one interpretation of the Quran and Hadith — Al-Wahhab’s — and none else. Pointing out that Islam rose only by Jihad against idolaters and polytheists, it concluded that loving the true Muslims and hating the infidels was the only way — the Wahhabi way.

Re-weaponised Jihad

A historic turn came in Islamic history in 1744 when Al-Wahhab allied with Muhammed Ibn Saud, a reputed warrior and leader of a sub-branch of the powerful Aneiza tribe. They mutually recognised each other — Saud as the secular leader (Emir) and Al-Wahhab as the religious head (Imam). The rulers of Saudi Arabia are the descendants of Muhammed Ibn Saud. Thanks to Saudi Arabia owning up Al-Wahhab’s theology, Ibn Taymiyya, outlawed long ago, now occupies a place of honour next only to Al-Wahhab’s.

IS is the latest manifestation of Wahhabi Islam. It attracts Jihadists from all over the world on the theology of Al-Wahhab — read Ibn Taymiyyah. It gets funded and supported. Russian President Putin has said that he has shared with G20 leaders the details of how individuals from 40 nations, including some G20 constituents, fund the IS. Many liberals still think that terrorists are just a handful of misguided persons. Thousands are not a few. They are a mobile army conscripted by Wahhabi Islam. The Taymiyyah-Wabhabi theology guides millions and millions of Muslims who are the catchment constituency from which thousands of Jihadists emerge on the tap. The other strands of Islam, moderate or immoderate, are struggling — in Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Afghanistan and elsewhere — for survival. Ibn Taymiyyah’s theology is at the root of the problem of Islamist terror. Is Abu Oud then the mastermind of Paris Jihad? Not at all. He is at best the master hand. The mastermind is Ibn Taymiyyah who re-weaponised the Jihad and that impelled Abu Oud. It is Taymiyyah’s Jihadi exposition which blew up Paris on Friday last. In the last several decades, his concept of Jihad has snuffed out hundreds of thousands of innocent lives.

Any battle to recover and save moderate Islam should start with disowning Ibn Taymiyyah and Al-Wahhab — the very definitions of today’s hate and terror. There is every reason for moderate Muslims to discard them. For, Ibn Taymiyyah defied the Prophet and Al-Wahhab endorsed Taymiyyah. Will the Islamic world — Saudis in particular — declare them in one voice as apostates of Islam? This will hopefully cause a healthy debate within Islam. Moderate Muslims should ponder.

PS: So long as the world looks at which Islamic outfit organises the Jihad and not look into what so powerfully motivates the Jihadi to kill himself to kill others, it will be missing the cause and treating the symptoms. So long as the root cause remains unaddressed, even if the world weakens one outfit another will promptly emerge — like the IS emerged after the Al Qaeda weakened.

The author is a well-known commentator on political and economic issues.

Email:[email protected]
habal
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6922
Joined: 24 Dec 2009 18:46

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by habal »

axis aircraft 'seized' at Bahgdad airport, loaded with specialty small arms for Peshmerga. Well, maybe, or maybe ISIS; Anyway, two other aircraft to allowed to return to their bases, with the illegal cargoes - - why? Why didn't the Iraqis just grab the effing planes and it's illegal cargoes, give the weapons to the loyal militias and and give the planes to IraqiAF. The Axis knows the rules, but doesn't care so - - confiscate the aircraft and cargoes so that breaking the rules costs real money, and maybe they'll start to observe the rules.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.as ... 0830001435

Trucks are no more safe, so why not fly in cargo (reinforcements & weapons) direct to the base ? Nobody is going to shoot these American planes, not yet anyway, runways maybe cratered, but that's about the only risk ..

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.as ... 0830001451
chetak
BRF Oldie
Posts: 34911
Joined: 16 May 2008 12:00

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by chetak »

U.S. pilots: Obama blocks 75% of ISIS strikes...


U.S. military pilots who have returned from the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq are confirming that they were blocked from dropping 75 percent of their ordnance on terror targets because they could not get clearance to launch a strike, according to a leading member of Congress.

Strikes against the Islamic State (also known as ISIS or ISIL) targets are often blocked due to an Obama administration policy to prevent civilian deaths and collateral damage, according to Rep. Ed Royce (R., Calif.), chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

The policy is being blamed for allowing Islamic State militants to gain strength across Iraq and continue waging terrorist strikes throughout the region and beyond, according to Royce and former military leaders who spoke Wednesday about flaws in the U.S. campaign to combat the Islamic State.

“You went 12 full months while ISIS was on the march without the U.S. using that air power and now as the pilots come back to talk to us they say three-quarters of our ordnance we can’t drop, we can’t get clearance even when we have a clear target in front of us,” Royce said. “I don’t understand this strategy at all because this is what has allowed ISIS the advantage and ability to recruit.”

When asked to address Royce’s statement, a Pentagon official defended the Obama administration’s policy and said that the military is furiously working to prevent civilian casualties.

“The bottom line is that we will not stoop to the level of our enemy and put civilians more in harm’s way than absolutely necessary,” the official told the Washington Free Beacon, explaining that the military often conducts flights “and don’t strike anything.”

“The fact that aircraft go on missions and don’t strike anything is not out of the norm,” the official said. “Despite U.S. strikes being the most precise in the history of warfare, conducting strike operations in the heavily populated areas where ISIL hides certainly presents challenges. We are fighting an enemy who goes out of their way to put civilians at risk. However, our pilots understand the need for the tactical patience in this environment. This fight against ISIL is not the kind of fight from previous decades.”

Jack Keane, a retired four-star U.S. general, agreed with Royce’s assessment of the administration’s policy and blamed President Barack Obama for issuing orders that severely constrain the U.S. military from combatting terror forces.

“This has been an absurdity from the beginning,” Keane said in response to questions from Royce. “The president personally made a statement that has driven air power from the inception.”

“When we agreed we were going to do airpower and the military said, this is how it would work, he [Obama] said, ‘No, I do not want any civilian casualties,’” Keane explained. “And the response was, ‘But there’s always some civilian casualties. We have the best capability in the world to protect from civilians casualties.’”

However, Obama’s response was, “No, you don’t understand. I want no civilian casualties. Zero,’” Keane continued. “So that has driven our so-called rules of engagement to a degree we have never had in any previous air campaign from desert storm to the present.”

This is likely the reason that U.S. pilots are being told to back down when Islamic State targets are in site, Keane said, citing statistics published earlier this year by U.S. Central Command showing that pilots return from sorties in Iraq with about 75 percent of their ordnance unexpended.

“Believe me,” Keane added, “the French are in there not using the restrictions we have imposed on our pilots.”

And the same goes for Russians, he said, adding, “They don’t care at all about civilians.”

The French have been selecting their own targets since beginning to launch strikes on the Islamic State earlier this week, according to a second Pentagon source who spoke to the Free Beacon earlier this week about the strikes.

France dropped at least 20 bombs on key Islamic State targets within two days after the terror attacks in Paris that killed 129. French strikes have killed at least 33 Islamic State militants in the past several days.

In the case of the initial French strikes, the “targets were nominated by the French whose strikes against them were supported by the coalition” fighting the Islamic State, the official explained.
Austin
BRF Oldie
Posts: 23387
Joined: 23 Jul 2000 11:31

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by Austin »

^^ So its a political decision of Obama not to fight ISIL and do as little damage as possible to let it fight Assad ?

ISIL was also back channeled arms by dropping them on Good Jihadi and then the Good Ones selling it to bad ones for Money
Lalmohan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13257
Joined: 30 Dec 2005 18:28

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by Lalmohan »

the article is written in a misleading way. the main consideration given above was civilian casualties. its the big thing they beat up assad over and its one that americans have come in for criticism before. daesh are good at hiding amongst civilians so its not surprising that these strikes are not authorised. the psywar here is bigger than the real thing
Austin
BRF Oldie
Posts: 23387
Joined: 23 Jul 2000 11:31

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by Austin »

^^ They dont seem to have the same consideration in Afghanistan or yemen when bombing civilian or for that matter in Iraq.

Only with ISIL they seems to care so much about civilian that they cancel 75 % of strikes
Lalmohan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13257
Joined: 30 Dec 2005 18:28

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by Lalmohan »

agreed, there are a different set of rules in place here
if i am charitable, i'd say they are learning
however, they have also been put into a bit of a corner by the other players in this game
habal
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6922
Joined: 24 Dec 2009 18:46

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by habal »

Lalmohan wrote:if i am charitable, i'd say they are learning
charity doesn't look good on the wrong set of people ! does it.
something like thakur without hands being charitable towards gabbar singh in Indian pov.
civilians that live within ISIS camp, are basically ISIS sympathetic civvies, else they would have eliminated them.
how many alawis, christian, kurd live within ISIS kabila ? None, they are all beheaded.

btw pls note the turkmen ISIS connect. And Northern afghanistan is close to turkmenistan proper. Kunduz is not far away from turkmenistan, one can connect the dots how wahabbi jihadis suddenly made their appearance in kunduz.
habal
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6922
Joined: 24 Dec 2009 18:46

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by habal »

Very fierce fight at the moment in El Eis town, Al Qaeda trying to recapture it, at the same time allied forces attempting to retake ICARDA base, it will be a very long night in that front.

Ahrar Al-Sham, Harkat Nouriddeen Al-Zinki, (North Africans) the Syrian Al-Qaeda group Jabhat Al-Nusra, and Liwaa Suqour Al-Sham.. All the forces of the jihadists strikes back at El Eis hill .. while the SAA and its allies attacks Khan Tuman, ICARDA and al Qarrasi..
I think that the jihadists will give a tough battle in El Eis to stop the SAA in M5 .. El Eis and Al Hader are of strategic importance for the Syrian Army and for the extremists


https://twitter.com/Ald_Aba/status/668196279973978112

https://twitter.com/Ald_Aba/status/668196279973978112
deejay
Forum Moderator
Posts: 4024
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by deejay »

habal ji, now we know that the middle men in Turkey buying oil of ISIS are called Billal Erodagan.

ISIS is supplying oil to be sold through Turkey by Billal or

Billal is controlling ISIS which attacks and captures Syria and Iraq or those areas of Syria - Iraq which have the Oil fields, Highways, pipelines, refineries etc and takes Syrian/ Iraqi Oil illegally to enrich the new Turkish Ottoman. For one year the US is unable to spot the horizon to horizon truck convoys going into Turkey to sell oil. Of course for 01 year US had an airbase at Incirlik, Turkey and an aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt next door to the conflict. They also had open access to Iraqi bases, Saudi bases, etc. Russians come in, USS Theodore Roosevelt leaves, ISIS suddenly goes of track and attacks Paris, Charles de Gaulle is on station and the oil convoys get bombed.

Putin lays it out to the world at the G20 meet about the daddies and mommies of ISIS (Daesh) and suddenly the Americans find and bomb 116 trucks in a convoy that went from horizon to horizon! :eek:

We also come to know of BMZ & Billal Erodagan. What gives? Who went off the Reservation? Did the US pull the rug from Erodagan's Palace? Or has ISIS achieved what it had too?

My sarcastic CT cap is telling me that US Satellite imagery services have degraded below acceptable limits due to budget cuts and it needs Russians to tell them what is what.

I liked a particular term in that Pepe Escobar RT article above:
‘Al-CIAada’
A_Gupta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13526
Joined: 23 Oct 2001 11:31
Contact:

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by A_Gupta »

Tangled threads of US false narratives
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/11/19/t ... arratives/
habal
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6922
Joined: 24 Dec 2009 18:46

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by habal »

ahaa ... ISIS an Erdogan family business enterprise.

http://www.shoah.org.uk/2015/07/18/turk ... led-nurse/

Turkish President’s Daughter Heads a Covert Medical Corps to Help ISIS Injured Members

A discontented nurse working clandestinely for a covert medical corps in Şanlıurfa—a city in south-eastern Turkey, close to the border with neighboring Syria— divulges information about the alleged role which Sümeyye Erdoğan plays in providing extended medical care for ISIS wounded militants transferred to Turkish hospitals.

“Almost every day several khaki Turkish military trucks were bringing scores of severely injured, shaggy ISIS rebels to our secret hospital and we had to prepare the operating rooms and help doctors in the following procedures.

I saw Sümeyye Erdoğan frequently at our headquarter in Şanlıurfa …

A London-educated scion of wealthy family and the eldest daughter of totalitarian President Erdoğan, Sümeyye Erdoğan, more than once announced her intention to be dispatched to Mousl , Iraq’s once second-biggest city and Islamic State’s stronghold to do relief works as a volunteer which drew public ire and vast condemnation from Turkey’s opposition parties

Bilal Erdoğan, is involved in lucrative business of smuggling the Iraqi and Syrian plundered oil. Bilal Erdoğan who owns several maritime companies, had allegedly signed contracts with European operating companies to carry Iraqi stolen oil to different Asian countries.

Turkish government unwittingly supports ISIS by buying Iraqi plundered oil which is being produced from the Iraqi sized oil wells. Bilal Erdoğan’s maritime companies own special wharfs in Beirut and Ceyhan ports transporting ISIS’ smuggled crude oil in Japan-bound oil tankers.

http://www.shoah.org.uk/2015/07/18/turk ... led-nurse/
UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14045
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by UlanBatori »

It's a good thing that ISIS is having to counter-attack while the RUAF is watching. Should make for some interesting pest-e-sha'eed figures. It never made sense that they could lainch frontal attacks with total US air superiority in Iraq, until it became evident that which side the air superiority was on. But in Syria now the situation is slightly different.

The shocking thing is that Russia still has only some 69 combat aircraft in Syria!!! That's less than the complement of one US aircraft carrier. Desert Shield was launched with what? 2000 NATO/ USAF airplanes and 5 aircraft carriers?
UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14045
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by UlanBatori »

Israeli propagandoos say ..
ISIS isn’t blind to these developments. While it reports military victories against the Syrian army and rebel forces, rebel-militia news sites describe a mass flight of civilians and Islamic State combatants and their families from Raqqa toward Mosul in Iraq.

ISIS isn’t stopping people from leaving but has issued mobilization orders compelling young males from 14 up to join its ranks. Recruits are paid $200 a month and get money for living expenses, weapons and training. As a result, some families that can’t or won’t abandon their homes send their sons to war. The call-up is intended to refill the ranks depleted by deserters.

The Islamic State is also preparing Raqqa to go on the defensive. The group reportedly has kerosene-filled pipes and tires smeared with flammable materials to set on fire and envelop the city with smoke to make it hard for attackers to identify targets. The city appears to be the main target of the Western coalition, which is assisted by Kurdish forces that have taken a key passage on the road between Raqqa and Mosul.

Cautious Kurds

But even the massive airstrikes can’t replace a ground force that can conquer Raqqa. The available forces are mainly those of the Kurds and other militias. One militia that was set up in recent days to protect local people from ISIS isn’t keen on cooperating with the Kurds for fear they’ll take advantage of the campaign to conquer the city themselves.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news ... m-1.687409
UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14045
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by UlanBatori »

ISIS have lost another two key strategic Syrian villages after a week of bombing raids which struck at the heart of the so-called 'caliphate'.
The militants came under attack from two different rebel groups on Friday and Saturday, losing two villages which form part of a 61-mile stretch of land along the border Turkey hopes to make 'ISIS free'.

Meanwhile, ISIS continued to come under heavy bombardment from international forces, with Russian jets flying more than 70 raids - hitting three oilfields - on Friday alone.

Syrian Turkmen rebels, working alongside Jabhat Shamiya (Levant Front), a group of Islamist nationalists, seized the villages of Harjaleh and Dalha in northern Aleppo province with support from American and Turkish warplanes.

It claimed 70 jihadists were killed in the battle, releasing a video of some of those it captured - one of them just 15-years-old.

The group claims it has also cleared the area around the village of hundreds of mines.

'The importance of liberating these two villages is that this will be the foundation to free the rest of nearby villages from the group,' said Haytham Abu Hammo, head of Jabhat Shamiya media office.
UlanBatori
BRF Oldie
Posts: 14045
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by UlanBatori »

Probably Berkeley.Stanford:
End of ISIS? Putin 'sending 150,000 soldiers to Syria to WIPE OUT evil Islamic State'
VLADIMIR Putin is preparing to send 150,000 troops to Syria in a bid to wipe out the evil Islamic State once and for all as he hints at joining the West following the Paris attacks.
By Scott Campbell
PUBLISHED: 03:43, Thu, Nov 19, 2015 | UPDATED: 16:17, Thu, Nov 19, 2015
But cites the use of bunker-busting bums (BBB):
Russian jets pounded terrorist targets and blew up a command centre, potentially killing dozens of fighters.

Confirming the successful raids, Andrei Kartapolov from the Russian army vowed to ramp up the pressure, saying: "We will not only continue strikes... We will also increase their intensity."

Speaking at the time of the attacks, in October, Russian Defence Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said: "Over the past 24 hours, Sukhoi Su-34 and Su-24M fighter jets have performed 20 sorties and hit nine Islamic State installations.
deejay
Forum Moderator
Posts: 4024
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Post by deejay »

Erodagan Family Enterprise Pvt Limited a.k.a. ISIS? How many acronyms can we give this morbid, gruesome, uncouth, rats with guns and US weapons?

Some Russki camp fire...
https://twitter.com/Syria_Protector/sta ... 4837659648
SAA Reporter
‏@Syria_Protector
#Russian helicopters(Mil Mi-24s) pour flames over #ISIS hideouts in east #Homs, #Palmyra #Mahin #مهين #حمص #تدمر

Image
Image
Image
Post Reply