The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

[Bhurishrava]

Greece on the other side.

[chetak]

{quote="Shreeman"}If Putin tries to do a George Bush family/Euerak redux in seeriya then he will suffer the same fate. Seeriya is small enough to be cleansed and putin will get a lot of nobel prize votes if instead he chooses to pacify the place, unfamiliar airstrikes notwithstanding.

There are 6 weeks to create a solid beach head all long the coast, raise air power from 50ish to 100ish and raise sorties to closer to 1000 a day, bring in enough MLRS to deter turkey. The turkish borde wont be closed in time, but as long as russia is on the ground the others will take a longer route/time to spend the 500M just sanctioned.

Again number of boots wise SAA has the advantage. Turn off the TOW flow and the tide will turn. Only WW2 tactics will work in seeriya, flatten and rebuild.{/quote}

Russia is limited both in time and money. The falling oil prices seems to have been engineered primarily to screw them and many others incidentally along and by the way.

1000 sorties a day would cost a bomb. (sorry, bad pun!!) I don't think putin has that kind of moolah

Chetak,

the math would work that way for SDRE. Not for the TFTA. They already have the planes. They have their own oil, no two week reserve. And when everything was nationalized they filled up a lot of caves with bums, and not just in ukraine.

Roos would be reducing the risk of old munitions goung kaboom, and getting combat practice instead of training sorties. It woulnt cost them a dime (asaad will pay as well at the end), and they will get back space on both sides of turki. No longer hostage just to montreux and better able to prop up greece.

Erdogan is a fool. But I doubt this was his idea. It was the alphabet soup that did this. No skin off their noses. Roos loses another market. A well developed one. Turks come back home by 100,000s unemployed. For a year or two economy goes in the toilet.

Roos cant avoid but shutting of the turkish coffee going down the seeriyan toilet. At least for a while. And if they try not to play George Bush style freedom campaign they may actually get a good toehold for all the pain they will suffer economically. There is no point in storing bums in caves if you dont use them now. Its not parakram.

The new russia has vast domestic expenses and and aspirational society who will not keep quiet for long. Putin can't piss away all his oil revenue on syria because he also has to fight an election back home. erdogan has ambushed the russian bomber with the express intention provoking Russia and as a consequence, drawing full NATO makkan into supporting his war and prevent Russia from damaging him by damaging the ISIS.

The only miscalculation of that fart erdogan was that he failed to see putin's big hairy testimonials dangling right in front of his own (erdogan's) face. A saudi and a turkish AWACS have also taken part in baiting and tracking the completely unsuspecting Russian bomber and helping the turkish F-16s spring the trap. This is cold blooded murder and it is actually an actionable war crime because at no time was turkey or it's aircraft actually under any threat at all. This was a totally unprovoked attack, most unexpected from an ally.

The oil/fuel for the most part will come from syria but the munitions cannot be sustained at 1000 sorties per day for long and that's what is costing a bomb. The old soviet union would have sustained this expense for a few years without even noticing but not the new Russia and certainly not at the present low market cost of oil.

syria is broke as well. It is Russia who is sustaining them to hold off the ISIS and the rest of the camel humping arabs.

[member_29247]

Where is UN?

[Bhurishrava]

BTW, Pakistanisation of Turkey is going apace under Erdogan.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/ ... 7N20151128

A prominent Kurdish lawyer and rights activist was shot in the head and killed in a street shootout on Saturday, an incident likely to fuel further unrest in Turkey's mostly Kurdish southeast.

[Bhurishrava]

The new russia has vast domestic expenses and and aspirational society who will not keep quiet for long. Putin can't piss away all his oil revenue on syria because he also has to fight an election back home.

Wrong on both counts
The `aspirational society` will keep quiet and Putin will still win `elections`. There isnt true democracy in Russia. So, dont expect Putin to lose out on stamina.
But then there isnt true democracy in Amreeka either. Otherwise they wouldnt be bombing country after country what with the Iraq fiasco.

[Prem]

ISIS does not consider Indians good fighter
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 894644.cms

NEW DELHI: Dreaded terrorist group ISIS does not consider South Asian Muslims, including Indians, good enough to fight in conflict zone of Iraq and Syria and so treat them as inferior to Arab fighters often tricking them into suicide attacks.According to an intelligence report prepared by foreign agencies and shared with Indian agencies, fighters from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh as well as certain countries like Nigeria and Sudan are considered inferior to Arab fighters.There appears to be clear hierarchy wherein the Arab fighters are preferred as officer cadre and provided better arms and ammunition, equipment, accommodation and salaries."The fighters from South Asia are usually housed in groups in small barracks and are paid less than the Arab fighters and are provided inferior equipment," the input says.There are reports that the so-called inferior fighters are also, at times, tricked into suicide attacks. Usually they are given a vehicle loaded with explosives and asked to go near a targeted destination and call a certain number, who would purportedly come and meet them to explain the mission.However, as soon as the number is dialled, the car explodes due to a pre-set mechanism aimed at destroying a specific target.The intelligence report suggests that there is a disproportionately high level of casualty among the South Asian and African foreign terrorist fighters since they are forced to the frontlines of battle as foot soldiers.The Arab fighters with better battle experience are mostly positioned behind these fighters and hence their casualties are proportionally less in terms of their total numbers. This explains why so many Indians from a small Indian contingent have died, it says.
The intelligence report says there is information that foreign fighters of Chinese, Indian, Nigerian and Pakistani origin are housed together and are monitored closely by the ISIS Police.Incidentally, only Tunisian, Palestinian, Saudi Arabian, Iraqi and Syrian are allowed to be in the ISIS Police force, which is barred for fighters of all other nationalities.Hence, there is a clear trust deficit between the dominant Arab fighters from other nationalities, who are mostly attracted to ISIS through its sophisticated propaganda techniques on the Internet.There is also information, the intelligence input suggests, that the ISIS considers Islam, as it is practised in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh .., as apostate and a departure from the original teachings of Quran and Hadith, which makes them less motivated towards Salafist Jihad.Hence, there are authentic reports of brain washing of fresh recruits from South Asia and certain other countries by invoking the fear of 'Jinn', which are considered supernatural creatures in Islamic mythology, the intelligence input says.The fear of 'Jinn' is invoked to ensure that the recruits from these countries do not return to their countries of origin on the premise that the 'Jinn' will continue to haunt them for the rest of their lives if they do so.Further, passports of foreign terrorist fighters from South Asia and certain African countries are usually burnt upon their arrival in Iraq-Syria to prevent them going back to their countries.

[UlanBatori]

See Enn Enn starts the long road of demon(real)izing Erdoganistan.

(CNN)Pro-Kurdish lawyer Tahir Elci, president of the Diyarbakir Bar Association in southeastern Turkey and a leading human rights defender, was killed while making a press statement Saturday.

The statement in the Sur district of the predominantly Kurdish Diyarbakir province was intended to call attention to damage done to the 1,500-year-old Four Legged Minaret Mosque by recent clashes between Turkish security forces and Kurdistan Workers' Party militants.

Elci was a lead attorney in many cases dealing with Kurdish issues, including the deaths of 35 civilians in a 2011 airstrike in Uludere.

The semi-official Anadolu Agency reported that Elci was killed during clashes that broke out after "terrorists" from the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, fired shots near the minaret. The Diyarbakir Governorate also said in a statement that security forces were attacked. Two police officers were killed and one wounded, and the governorate declared a curfew from 1 p.m. onward.

The Sur district and many predominantly Kurdish provinces have seen renewed conflict between Turkish security forces and the PKK. The 30-year war between Turkey and the PKK, which is considered a terrorist group by the U.S., has claimed an estimated 40,000 lives. A two-year cease-fire ended in July.

In footage from the Dogan News Agency, gunshots are heard, and plainclothes police officers respond with gunfire. Elci and journalists stand behind police. Later, an armored vehicle arrives, and journalists try to follow it away. The gunshots intensify, and the journalists begin to run. Another shot zooms in on a body on the ground, and it becomes clear that it is Elci, lying face-down.

Anadolu reported that Interior Minister Efkan Ala appointed four investigators, saying, "this attack is against our nation's unity."

Justice Minister Bekir Bozdag said Elci's autopsy is ongoing, the agency said.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan condemned the attack. "This incident show that Turkeys fight against terror is right," he said, adding, "Our struggle will continue till the end. We will not stop. We will not be tired. We will continue to be decisive in our fight against terrorism."

Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said the police officer was killed when gunmen opened fire from a car about 100 meters from where Elci was shot.

He pointed to two possible timelines: "This might be an assassination against Tahir Elci," or "the second possibility is after the terror incident which took place 100 meters away, police were trying to protect the crowd, and there were two fires coming from two different sides, and Tahir Elci may have been killed in the crossfire. If this was the case, the ballistic report will say this."

Either way, Davutoglu said, the truth will come to light.

The Diyarbakir Bar Association tweeted Saturday that "our president of the association, lawyer Tahir Elci was murdered by an assassination."

The HDP, or Peoples' Democratic Party, an opposition party with Kurdish roots, also said in a statement that Elci's death was an assassination and blamed the AKP, the ruling Justice and Development Party. "This planned assassination targeted law and justice through Tahir Elci. ... Tahir Elci was targeted by the AKP rule and its media and a lynching campaign was launched against him."

On October 19, an Istanbul court issued a warrant for Elci on charges of "propaganda for a terror organization" after the lawyer said on a CNN Turk program, "PKK is not a terrorist organization. ... Although some of its actions have the nature of terror, the PKK is an armed political movement."

He was released by the court on the condition that he not leave the country.

British Ambassador to Turkey Richard Moore tweeted, "Shocked and depressed by the murder of my friend Tahir Elci. A good and brave man cut down. A human rights defender over many decades."

The U.S. Embassy in Turkey tweeted, "We are shocked by the tragic death of Tahir Elci - a courageous defender of human rights."

The HDP called on "Turkey's democratic and peaceful powers, its citizens with conscience, professional associations and civil society organizations, political parties to raise their voices and show their democratic reactions."

[Satya_anveshi]

Diyarbakir shootout video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0h1nRjsrrs

[chetak]

The new russia has vast domestic expenses and and aspirational society who will not keep quiet for long. Putin can't piss away all his oil revenue on syria because he also has to fight an election back home.

Wrong on both counts
The `aspirational society` will keep quiet and Putin will still win `elections`. There isnt true democracy in Russia. So, dont expect Putin to lose out on stamina.
But then there isnt true democracy in Amreeka either. Otherwise they wouldnt be bombing country after country what with the Iraq fiasco.

I spent some time in the old soviet union. Had many ruski friends mostly, engineers and guarantee specialists and their families. I saw some of the life there and heard more about what it was like in other far flung soviet places.

Some of my more adventurous colleagues have taken to travelling to the new Russia and other erstwhile old soviet republics frequently, to search for military and weapon spares which their companies then sell to the Indian armed forces at great profit. I listen to their new stories now and wonder at how different life and people have become in russia and georgia and ukraine and whatnot.

With access to the internet and western movies and travel for tourism, the new russians want it all and fast. It's not that Putin does not have the stamina but the new russia does not.

[UlanBatori]

Nausea alert:

One day after saying Turkey fired missiles as "an automatic reaction to a border breach" -- and not knowing the nationality of the plane in question -- Erdogan said Saturday, "We wouldn't have wished this to happen. But, unfortunately, it did."

Ah , SO! He thought it was an American plane. TSJ, bring out the Patriots!

Gets better..

The powerful Turkish leader didn't lash out at Russia but appeared intent on taking the high road by claiming that "Turkey has never been in favor of triggering tensions and clashes, and we never will be."

In fact, Erdogan appealed for dialogue {Other reports say he has been dialing the Kremlin, but Putin's dog answers and says to go stand in line at the Russian Embassy if Erdogan wants asylum}, saying the upcoming U.N. climate change conference in Paris, which he and Russian President Vladimir Putin are expected to attend, would be a good place to have such talks. (This week, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Putin knew that Erdogan had asked to meet with him in France but gave no word on whether the request would be accepted.)

"We tell Russia, 'Let's talk about this issue within its boundaries, and let's settle it,' " Erdogan said Saturday. "Let's not make others happy by escalating it to a level that would hurt all our relations.' "

[chetak]

Where is UN?

I think that the russians may be the only ones there with proper UN cover and what not. The rest are illegals, starting with turkey itself .

[Satya_anveshi]

UB ji,
He wants it to mean that they thought it was Syrian plane.

Recall that in 2012 Syria shot down Turkish plane after crossing border under similar circumstances. At that time, Turdogan was quoted as saying “a short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack”.

Hypocrisy of his stand was lost on him.

[chetak]

Nausea alert:

One day after saying Turkey fired missiles as "an automatic reaction to a border breach" -- and not knowing the nationality of the plane in question -- Erdogan said Saturday, "We wouldn't have wished this to happen. But, unfortunately, it did."

Ah , SO! He thought it was an American plane. TSJ, bring out the Patriots!

Gets better..

The powerful Turkish leader didn't lash out at Russia but appeared intent on taking the high road by claiming that "Turkey has never been in favor of triggering tensions and clashes, and we never will be."

In fact, Erdogan appealed for dialogue {Other reports say he has been dialing the Kremlin, but Putin's dog answers and says to go stand in line at the Russian Embassy if Erdogan wants asylum}, saying the upcoming U.N. climate change conference in Paris, which he and Russian President Vladimir Putin are expected to attend, would be a good place to have such talks. (This week, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Putin knew that Erdogan had asked to meet with him in France but gave no word on whether the request would be accepted.)

"We tell Russia, 'Let's talk about this issue within its boundaries, and let's settle it,' " Erdogan said Saturday. "Let's not make others happy by escalating it to a level that would hurt all our relations.' "

In their very first communication, the turks identified the aircraft as a Su-24. No one else in the region has this particular aircraft. They very well knew what it was and whose it was. The attack/ambush was pre planned. If it was not so, and the russians were expecting trouble, they would have has fighter cover to protect their bombers.

erdogan is lying through his yellow teeth.

[eklavya]

Erdogan's stupidity has ensured Russian support for the Kurds fighting in Turkey, Syria and Iraq.

Also, the Turkish Air Force is sh*t scared of the S-400 and its operations over Syria just got very complicated.

With what the Turkish Air Force did to the Russian Su-24, the Russians would be well within their rights to believe that any Turkish Air Force plane flying in Syria poses a lethal threat to their own planes.

Even if the Russians don't shoot down any Turkish planes, I can imagine that being locked on by a S-400 battery must be a very uncomfortable experience for any fighter pilot.

[Prem]

In First Expression of Regret, Turkish ( Pakurkey)President Says Wishes Downing of Russian Warplane Hadn't Happened'We are truly saddened by this incident,' Erdogan says; Kremlin says Putin 'fully mobilised' to tackle threat from Turkey.
http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/1.688853

A

ddressing supporters in the western city of Balikesir, Erdogan said neither country should allow the incident to escalate and take a destructive form that would lead to "saddening consequences."
He renewed a call for a meeting with President Vladimir Putin in the sidelines of a climate conference in Paris next week, saying it would be an opportunity to overcome tensions.Putin denounced the Turkish action as a "treacherous stab in the back," and insisted that the plane was downed over Syrian territory in violation of international law. He has also refused to take telephone calls from Erdogan. Putin's foreign affairs adviser, Yuri Ushakov, said Friday that the Kremlin had received Erdogan's request for a meeting, but wouldn't say whether such a meeting is possible.Asked why Putin hasn't picked up the phone to respond to Erdogan's two phone calls, he said that "we have seen that the Turkish side hasn't been ready to offer an elementary apology over the plane incident."
After the incident, Russia deployed long-range S-400 air defense missile systems to a Russian air base in Syria just 50 kilometers (30 miles) south of the border with Turkey to help protect Russian warplanes, and the Russian military warned it would shoot down any aerial target that would pose a potential threat to its planesRussia has since also restricted tourist travel, left Turkish trucks stranded at the border, confiscated large quantities of Turkish food imports and started preparing a raft of broader economic sanctions.
Meanwhile, in comments which underscore how angry the Kremlin still is over the incident, Dmitry Peskov, Vladimir Putin's spokesman, called the behavior of the Turkish air force "absolute madness" and said Ankara's subsequent handling of the crisis had reminded him of the "theatre of the absurd." "Nobody has the right to traitorously shoot down a Russian plane from behind," Peskov told Russia's "News on Saturday" TV program, calling Turkish evidence purporting to show the Russian SU-24 jet had violated Turkish air space "cartoons". Peskov said the crisis had prompted Putin, whose ministers are preparing retaliatory economic measures against Turkey, to "mobilize" in the way an army does in tense times. "The president is mobilized, fully mobilized, mobilized to the extent that circumstances demand," said Peskov. "The circumstances are unprecedented. The gauntlet thrown down to Russia is unprecedented. So naturally the reaction is in line with this threat." Peskov said Putin was aware of a Turkish request for him to meet President Tayyip Erdogan on the sidelines of the Paris climate change conference next week but gave no indication of whether such a meeting would take place. 
Erdogan on Saturday said the Paris summit could be a chance to repair Ankara's relations with Russia. Peskov denied Turkish press reports which said Moscow and Ankara had struck a deal for their warplanes to stop flying along the Syrian-Turkish border, saying military ties between the two countries had been severed and a hot line meant to avoid misunderstandings among their pilots dismantled. Peskov, according to the TASS news agency, also spoke of how Erdogan's son had a "certain interest" in the oil industry. Putin has said oil from Syrian territory controlled by Islamic State militants is finding its way to Turkey. Erdogan has spoken of slander and asked anyone making such accusations to back up their words with evidence. Peskov said he "noted" that Turkey's newly-appointed energy minister, Berat Albayrak, was Erdogan's son-in-law. Peskov said there could be up to 200,000 Turkish citizens on Russian soil. "What's important is that everyone who is able to use their influence to guarantee at least some predictability in the pattern of Turkey's behavior," said Peskov. "Russian planes should never be shot down." 

[Y. Kanan]

If Putin tries to do a George Bush family/Euerak redux in seeriya then he will suffer the same fate. Seeriya is small enough to be cleansed and putin will get a lot of nobel prize votes if instead he chooses to pacify the place, unfamiliar airstrikes notwithstanding.

There are 6 weeks to create a solid beach head all long the coast, raise air power from 50ish to 100ish and raise sorties to closer to 1000 a day, bring in enough MLRS to deter turkey. The turkish borde wont be closed in time, but as long as russia is on the ground the others will take a longer route/time to spend the 500M just sanctioned.

Again number of boots wise SAA has the advantage. Turn off the TOW flow and the tide will turn. Only WW2 tactics will work in seeriya, flatten and rebuild.

Not possible; no direct land link between Russia and Syria (or between Russia and Turkey,unfortunately).

[Satya_anveshi]

There are reports from Iranian news agency that Iran is subsidizing Russian efforts in Syria. Syria may also be doing its part and so is Iraq.

After sanctions go away, Iran will get access to $150B+ funds that it can further subsidize (or continue) war efforts.

It is still asymmetrical warfare where US is funding WARS with wumpum whereas others are burning their real assets.

[JwalaMukhi]

It is a war of attrition. Russia can ill afford to waste its resources. However, it will fight till the last syrian/iranian dollar. Russia hasn't figured out how to grow its economy. Russia will at best only delay Asad's fall, no one can warranty sustained stability, not even US with all the dollars it can print, let alone Russia. It better line up the next guy who will be sympathetic to iran/russian axis. The best outcome would be a negotiated settlement with Turkey so a compromise dude takes over Syria.

[SaiK]

I have a strong feeling that this Levant Crisis will end only when UN gets revamped!

---

btw:


TURKISH MILITARY POWER 2015 BEST IN EUROPA
recently compiled?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5zceMbQ6r0
at 2:00 ish showing a nuke

and what is she smoking?
http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/11/russia ... ar-likely/

she gets easily trapped for a nuke strike analysis
http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/11/us-nuc ... china-sea/

[chanakyaa]

In First Expression of Regret, Turkish ( Pakurkey)President Says Wishes Downing of Russian Warplane Hadn't Happened'We are truly saddened by this incident,' Erdogan says; Kremlin says Putin 'fully mobilised' to tackle threat from Turkey.
http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/1.688853

Toorkey is sh!t scared because of the economic sanctions Russia imposed on it following the downing of the fighter jet. This is what India should have done for last several decades to those supporting bakistan.

Russia Retaliates: Putin Reveals Sanctions Against Turkey

[Santosh]

Coming so soon after M.Hollande's visit to the SWhite House, where O'Bomber is adamant about allowing Assad to survive,this statement of surprising independence by the French augurs well for the future,IF the French can resist the US pressure not to cooperate with Russia. However,post paris 13/11,the French appear to have had enough of pussyfooting about ISIS in the region and Assad clearly is the lesser of the two evils,if he is to be considered evil at all.In fact the Turks should be considered in the same league as ISIS as they are their covert economic and mil partners,aiming to oust Assad and seize Syria for their own vested interests.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/
France: we could work with Syrian regime troops in ground fight against Isil

Laurent Fabius, the foreign minister, said he could foresee Syrian troops loyal to Bashar al-Assad taking part in the fight to crush the Islamic State group, in a controversial statement welcomed by the regime in Damascus

This is the same France that had bombers ready on a moment's notice to bomb Assad forces in Syria six months ago. Only to be foiled by Russia and China veto in UN. Now they are ready to ally with Assad's troops on the ground to take out ISIS. Isn't this a failure of French foreign policy. Karma has indeed come a full circle.
I am loving Russia's asymmetric warfare with Erdogan and family thing. If they can somehow take out Erdogan it will be another Syria in Turkey. Turks have been playing with fire and deserve to burn some. They are getting too ambitious for their own good.

[Sid]

In First Expression of Regret, Turkish ( Pakurkey)President Says Wishes Downing of Russian Warplane Hadn't Happened'We are truly saddened by this incident,' Erdogan says; Kremlin says Putin 'fully mobilised' to tackle threat from Turkey.

OMG, mobilizing Russia is one thing but mobilizing Putin? Really big mistake

[UlanBatori]

I think Erdogan found out how far NATO would go in supporting him in a bissing contest with da Bear. Probably got from BO. Merkel would have said to chances of getting into EU. Hollande asked for GPS coordinates of Erdogan's wine cellar.

As for UNSC resolution to support turkey - with Russia and China holding vetos?

[member_29247]

As long as Dollar is printed

In USA
It is the defacto currency of world
Rest of the world has to sweat to earn it
Sell resources cheap

US will win hands down any war some times without firing even a shot.


So Putin will have his limitations. Punching the images like Bruce Lee in the battle of mirrors with Han
In Enter the Dragon

[UlanBatori]

Aleppo going badly: Moderate ISIS (Al Nusra) gaining.
Where is RUAF?

Syrian fighters claim several villages near Aleppo
A coalition of Syrian rebel groups, including Nusra Front, make gains near strategic city of Aleppo. Syrian fighters have seized a town and several villages in Syria's northern Aleppo province from troops and allied Shia forces amid intense fighting.

A coalition of rebel groups, including the Nusra Front, announced on Saturday that they had taken back control of Tal Bajer in the southwestern countryside of Aleppo, after losing it to Syrian troops backed by Lebanese Hezbollah fighters and Iranian forces two weeks ago.

Nusra Front released drone footage that purports to show Iranian forces fleeing from rebels advancing on the town with tanks.

But as fighting continues near the borders with Turkey, fears of a regional conflict loom large.

Al Jazeera's Hashem Ahelbarra, reporting from Yayladagi on Turkey's border with Syria, said Turkey and Russia are divided over Syria's civil war as Russians are staunch allies of President Bashar al-Assad, while Turkey insists the Syrian president must go.
"They believe the Russians use the fight against ISIL as a cover to bolster Assad's chances to stay in power," Ahelbarra said. "And that ISIL can only be defeated if Assad is forced out of power."
Opposition forces have inflicted painful losses on Syrian troops and their allies in the area, successfully repelling their advances despite Russian air strikes.

[shiv]

This is what India should have done for last several decades to those supporting bakistan.

India should have imposed sanctions on the US? Like NoKo does now? How? By stopping export of humans to the US?

[shiv]

US will win hands down any war some times without firing even a shot.

As long as mainland Americans are insulated from external wars and need to be scared only of tornadoes, the US claims "victory", never mind what is actually happening on the battlefield. This is the same attitude followed by Pakjabis - as long as Pakjab is safe. That is how Pakis also never lose wars - and sometimes the Paki army does not even have to fight.

[SaiK]

no shivji, by ensuring chinese exports to US is blocked. the problem you presented is as complex as that.

[habal]

US will fall the moment China, Russia & India (africa &asia-pacific except philipines, singapore as holdouts will join this lobby) start trading in single non-$ currency. That is why China waa wooed away from forming this coalition by US trade concessions in 90s. Even now they are offering bits & pieces powers to china by including yuan in IMF recognised currency reserves which ia full of munna currencies.

[SaiK]

never believe in china.. they are the most selfish and back stabbers than you can think off!

[habal]

yes, but what makes them believe they will get seat at whitey high table. Only honorary white Japan has made it so far as second rate high tabler.

OTH Turkey may be in process of being set up.I think Erdodan's Turkey is probably set up to go down in flames. Just like Saddam invading Kuwait. Turkey will end up loosing one third of its territory, And the world will recognize Kurdistan. No WW3. take over half of turkey and give it to the kurds and armenians, why not, all in favor?.

[UlanBatori]

I want control over the Bosporus Toll Booth.

[Bhurishrava]

IMHO Laurent Fabius has already backtracked after Uncle showed displeasure.
http://news.yahoo.com/frances-fabius-su ... 09734.html

A munna is a munna. Paris or no Paris.

[habal]

honorable is not a word that can be uses in same breath as US Navy, USAF. US blows up two water pumping stations in east Aleppo, probably because they may be liberated any day now.

al-masdar news
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/19640

[habal]

I want control over the Bosporus Toll Booth.

the french, british, german warships are stationed in mediterranean for exactly this purpose. USA warships can appear anytime ofcourse. It means anti-syria coalition has actively thought about sea-blockade after failing to impose no-fly-zone. To support Töurkîye in blockading bosposrus. But fortunately for french, Russia considers blockading of bosporus an 'apocalyptic scenario' and ye all know what that may mean.


http://lenta.ru/news/2015/11/28/peskov_channels/

"

The possibility that Turkey closes the stait to black sea for Russian vessels is seen by Kremlin as an apocalyptic scenario ..."

so what can NATO do now ? fill bosporus with rubble .. blowing up a ship so that it sinks to bottom and then taking own sweet time to retrieve it .. chemical spill .. nuclear accident .. their limit is imagination.

[abhik]

ISIS does not consider Indians good fighter
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 894644.cms

Could be psyops by IB etc.

[Singha]

that drone video is interesting . looks like hit n run dislocative raid by that tank than a concerted tank+infantry action. does not show if the tank really attacked that hamlet or was content with firing from its perimeter and moving out.

Iran license makes various chinese ATGMs yet their militias in syria seem not to have any, despite TOWs proliferating on opp side. they should have been able to repulse this attack with ATGMs if they had any. RuAF or any AF cannot be expected to be present at all times.

[Gyan]

It seems US elite has been bought out by Saudi & GCC money. There is no other explanation for current events.

[Singha]

^^ you really think so? 3 days after 911, GW2 was smoking cigars with prince bandar in the WC and full resources of FBI were tasked to locate and safely fly out all members of the KSA elite in USA including the bin laden clan.

Elijah J. Magnier ‏@EjmAlrai 12h12 hours ago
The Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) /Jaysh Al-Thuwar is at 30km from #Raqqa & captured Al-Faysal, Al-Malkiyah from #FSA, #JN & #Ahraralsham

[Singha]

Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha 11h11 hours ago
Baath Battalion in #Latakia FB page claims #RuAF entered and exited Turkish airspace 5 times, no response by #Turkey was made