The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

Tuan · Post by **Tuan** » 29 Nov 2015 21:14

haha

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 29 Nov 2015 21:36

Turkish evolvement with ISIS in Syria, Iraq, Libya rtc clearly shows that it wants to become Saudi funded sword of Allah and has learnt nothing from 35 year Paki experience.

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 29 Nov 2015 21:38

Singha wrote:in general the pics of nusrah/shams/FSA their people look more 'professional' and less insane, no drugs with more trimmed beards than the 'core' ISIS fighters one sees in the euphrates/sinjar type areas like the band of unwashed crazies I posted.

I think all the enthusiastic psychopaths focussed on killing children and raping women went to ISIS, while these others are remnants of the original rebels who rose with the colour revolution initially. may include deserters or converts from the police and army.

Neat and clean ones would be Turkish SF

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 29 Nov 2015 21:40

This takes the cake for today: C above for explanatory diagram

Syrian Rebellion Obs ‏@Syria_Rebel_Obs 4h4 hours ago

#SRO - Clashes still ongoing near the #Azaz-#Aleppo road as #YPG are reinforcing secular #FSA against the islamist #FSA and salafi forces.

Which reminds me of the slogan on the Alabama School for ~~Mercenaries~~ Moderate Financially Rewarded Pro-Democracy Free Market Forces.

Kill 'em All. Let Gawd Sort'em Out!

Evacuate the civilians (that's the hard part..)
Nuke the whole place. Start over. Whoever comes in first can sit in the glowing parking lot and shoot at the next arrivals. Oh well, there goes THAT solution.

wa6ni ghayour ‏@wa6nighayour 5h5 hours ago

A Comedy of Errors: #U.S. Backed Rebels Fight U.S. Backed Rebels in Northern #Aleppo: http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/com ... rn-aleppo/ … via @thearabsource

BUT.. they use up weppuns & ammo & fuel

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 29 Nov 2015 23:52

turki is a true bakistan -- 5 days later they have "found" the body of the pilot.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 30 Nov 2015 00:00

Tuan wrote:haha

If you ignore other nations, then this is the paradise that jihadis want to make while alive. 72 players needed for perfect stand off.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 30 Nov 2015 00:11

Opinion: Sultan Tayyip's Triumph
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semp ... -html.html

IMO Sultan Tayyip and his vizier Davutoglu sent the refugees to Europe in the belief that the pressure of the inundation and its inevitable cargo of embedded IS infiltrators would cause the Euroweenies to fold. The turbaned ones (figuratively) were obviously right.

Turkey will receive a bribe of 3.2 billion dollars (3 billion Euro) in return for keeping further migrants out of Greece and for taking some back (maybe). They will also receive accelerated processing of their desired membership in the EU. As Davutoglu said today "now we can move forward in managing OUR continent."

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 30 Nov 2015 00:18

High chance of this piece being propaganda as it runs counter to what Putin explicitly denied several times. Possible Arab-Israeli motive behind this propaganda is make US "preempt" Russian move and get its boots on the ground first.

Russia to Escalate Syria Offensive With Ground Troops, Arab Media Claim - Nov 29, 2015
http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2015 ... dia-claim/

TEL AVIV – News reports in the Arab world claim Russia is planning to escalate its military involvement in Syria by sending in ground troops and increasing airstrikes, according to translations provided by the Middle East Research Institute (MEMRI).

“Today we can safely say that the Syria war is headed for a new stage, characterized mainly by the Syrian army and its allies escalating their joint military attack to unprecedented levels,” the newspaper reported. “What has happened in the Latakia area in the past two days [i.e. the Syrian/Russian bombing of the Turkmens near the Turkish border] is nothing but a small preamble.”

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 30 Nov 2015 00:51

That $3B EU hafta to Turkey has Kerry-Lugar type of conditions.

But read this article in full and see how Turkey and UK come across as terrorist apologists.

The Latest: Turkish Premier Blasts UN for Syria 'Failure' - Nov 29, 2015
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/11 ... .html?_r=0

French President Francois Hollande says the European Union will need to monitor Turkey's commitments "step-by-step" to help end Syria's political crisis, fight terrorism and deal with a refugee influx that has spilled over into the 28-member bloc.

The French leader said Sunday that any funds of a 3 billion euros ($3.2 billion) EU package to help Turkey deal with the migrants on its territory will be released progressively as Turkish commitments are checked.

Hollande also said verification measures need to be in place to check those coming through Turkey, because some "terrorists" have infiltrated the refugee flow.

Hollande cut out early from an EU-Turkey summit to head home Sunday for a meeting with China's president ahead of the Paris climate conference starting a day later.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 30 Nov 2015 00:55

Bhurishrava · Post by **Bhurishrava** » 30 Nov 2015 01:01

Does someone have data regarding Turkish bombing?

Number of sorties against PKK/YPG vs number of sorties against ISIS.
I know they are hitting the kurds more and showboating against ISIS but by how much ?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 30 Nov 2015 02:28

This is all very unfair. Turkey has been sending many more missions into ISIS territory than the Russians. Weapon delivery is greater by orders of magnitude. Minor difference is that the Russians light the fuse b4 delivering the weapons whereas the Turks teach the ISIS to light the fuse after delivery.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 30 Nov 2015 02:39

IOW, like how pakis do a mo-ha-ramic IED?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 30 Nov 2015 02:57

Apparently it is still Pakis who do the VBIED for ISIS. The reference to "Indians" is code for "Lahore, Gujarat". Did u c that there was not a single Malloo naam in the list? Impossible if it was really Indians in these jobs.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 30 Nov 2015 03:00

If you light the fush on a jihadi he will explode for a day, but if you teach him to light his fushe himself ....

turki is right, no end to entertainment.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 30 Nov 2015 04:04

UlanBatori wrote:.. "Lahore, Gujarat". Did u c that there was not a single Malloo naam in the list? ...

saab ji, malloo naam is delivering the chai(ya) onlee.

wahan-bi bijnej kar sakte hai.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 30 Nov 2015 04:32

How to differentiate a Turk from a Truck ?? That is the Russian question.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 30 Nov 2015 05:17

Iran Leader speaks to western youth about bitter events of terrorism in France - Nov 30, 2015
http://www.irna.ir/en/News/81859027/

To the Youth in Western Countries,

The bitter events brought about by blind terrorism in France have once again, moved me to speak to you young people. For me, it is unfortunate that such incidents would have to create the framework for a conversation, however the truth is that if painful matters do not create the grounds for finding solutions and mutual consultation, then the damage caused will be multiplied.

The pain of any human being anywhere in the world causes sorrow for a fellow human being. The sight of a child losing his life in the presence of his loved ones, a mother whose joy for her family turns into mourning, a husband who is rushing the lifeless body of his spouse to some place and the spectator who does not know whether he will be seeing the final scene of life- these are scenes that rouse the emotions and feelings of any human being. Anyone who has benefited from affection and humanity is affected and disturbed by witnessing these scenes- whether it occurs in France or in Palestine or Iraq or Lebanon or Syria.

I genuinely believe that it is only you youth who by learning the lessons of today’s hardship, have the power to discover new means for building the future.

Without a doubt, the one-and-a-half billion Muslims also have these feelings and abhor and are revolted by the perpetrators and those responsible for these calamities. The issue, however, is that if today’s pain is not used to build a better and safer future, then it will just turn into bitter and fruitless memories. I genuinely believe that it is only you youth who by learning the lessons of today’s hardship, have the power to discover new means for building the future and who can be barriers in the misguided path that has brought the west to its current impasse.

Anyone who has benefited from affection and humanity is affected and disturbed by witnessing these scenes- whether it occurs in France or in Palestine or Iraq or Lebanon or Syria.

It is correct that today terrorism is our common worry. However it is necessary for you to know that the insecurity and strain that you experienced during the recent events, differs from the pain that the people of Iraq, Yemen, Syria and Afghanistan have been experiencing for many years, in two significant ways. First, the Islamic world has been the victim of terror and brutality to a larger extent territorially, to greater amount quantitatively and for a longer period in terms of time. Second, that unfortunately this violence has been supported by certain great powers through various methods and effective means.

Today, there are very few people who are uninformed about the role of the United States of America in creating, nurturing and arming al-Qaeda, the Taliban and their inauspicious successors. Besides this direct support, the overt and well-known supporters of takfiri terrorism- despite having the most backward political systems- are standing arrayed as allies of the west while the most pioneering, brightest and most dynamic democrats in the region are suppressed mercilessly. The prejudiced response of the west to the awakening movement in the Islamic world is an illustrative example of the contradictory western policies.

I genuinely believe that it is only you youth who by learning the lessons of today’s hardship can be barriers in the misguided path that has brought the west to its current impasse.

The other side of these contradictory policies is seen in supporting the state terrorism of Israel. The oppressed people of Palestine have experienced the worst kind of terrorism for the last sixty years. If the people of Europe have now taken refuge in their homes for a few days and refrain from being present in busy places- it is decades that a Palestinian family is not secure even in its own home from the Zionist regime’s death and destruction machinery. What kind of atrocious violence today is comparable to that of the settlement constructions of the Zionists regime?

This regime- without ever being seriously and significantly censured by its influential allies or even by the so-called independent international organizations- everyday demolishes the homes of Palestinians and destroys their orchards and farms. This is done without even giving them time to gather their belongings or agricultural products and usually it is done in front of the terrified and tear-filled eyes of women and children who witness the brutal beatings of their family members who in some cases are being dragged away to gruesome torture chambers. In today’s world, do we know of any other violence on this scale and scope and for such an extended period of time?

Shooting down a woman in the middle of the street for the crime of protesting against a soldier who is armed to the teeth- if this is not terrorism, what is? This barbarism, because it is being done by the armed forces of an occupying government, should not be called extremism? Or maybe only because these scenes have been seen repeatedly on television screens for sixty years, they should no longer stir our consciences.

The military invasions of the Islamic world in recent years- with countless victims- are another example of the contradictory logic of the west. The assaulted countries, in addition to the human damage caused, have lost their economic and industrial infrastructure, their movement towards growth and development has been stopped or delayed and in some cases, has been thrown back decades. Despite all this, they are rudely being asked not to see themselves as oppressed. How can a country be turned into ruins, have its cities and towns covered in dust and then be told that it should please not view itself as oppressed? Instead of enticements to not understand and to not mention disasters, would not an honest apology be better? The pain that the Islamic world has suffered in these years from the hypocrisy and duplicity of the invaders is not less than the pain from the material damage.

Dear youth! I have the hope that you- now or in the future- can change this mentality corrupted by duplicity, a mentality whose highest skill is hiding long-term goals and adorning malevolent objectives.

Dear youth! I have the hope that you- now or in the future- can change this mentality corrupted by duplicity, a mentality whose highest skill is hiding long-term goals and adorning malevolent objectives. In my opinion, the first step in creating security and peace is reforming this violence-breeding mentality. Until double-standards dominate western policies, until terrorism- in the view of its powerful supporters- is divided into “good” and “bad” types, and until governmental interests are given precedence over human values and ethics, the roots of violence should not be searched for in other places.

Unfortunately, these roots have taken hold in the depths of western political culture over the course of many years and they have caused a soft and silent invasion. Many countries of the world take pride in their local and national cultures, cultures which through development and regeneration have soundly nurtured human societies for centuries. The Islamic world is not an exception to this. However in the current era, the western world with the use of advanced tools is insisting on the cloning and replication of its culture on a global scale. I consider the imposition of western culture upon other peoples and the trivialization of independent cultures as a form of silent violence and extreme harmfulness.

Humiliating rich cultures and insulting the most honored parts of these, is occurring while the alternative culture being offered in no way has any qualification for being a replacement. For example, the two elements of “aggression” and “moral promiscuity” which unfortunately have become the main elements of western culture, has even degraded the position and acceptability of its source region.

So now the question is: are we “sinners” for not wanting an aggressive, vulgar and fatuous culture? Are we to be blamed for blocking the flood of impropriety that is directed towards our youth in the shape of various forms of quasi-art? I do not deny the importance and value of cultural interaction. Whenever these interactions are conducted in natural circumstances and with respect for the receiving culture, they result in growth, development and richness. On the contrary, inharmonious interactions have been unsuccessful and harmful impositions.

We have to state with full regret that vile groups such as DAESH are the spawn of such ill-fated pairings with imported cultures. If the matter was simply theological, we would have had to witness such phenomena before the colonialist era, yet history shows the contrary. Authoritative historical records clearly show how colonialist confluence of extremist and rejected thoughts in the heart of a Bedouin tribe, planted the seed of extremism in this region. How then is it possible that such garbage as DAESH comes out of one of the most ethical and humane religious schools who as part of its inner core, includes the notion that taking the life of one human being is equivalent to killing the whole humanity?

One has to ask why people who are born in Europe and who have been intellectually and mentally nurtured in that environment are attracted to such groups? Can we really believe that people with only one or two trips to war zones, suddenly become so extreme that they can riddle the bodies of their compatriots with bullets? On this matter, we certainly cannot forget about the effects of a life nurtured in a pathologic culture in a corrupt environment borne out of violence. On this matter, we need complete analyses, analyses that see the hidden and apparent corruptions. Maybe a deep hate- planted in the years of economic and industrial growth and borne out of inequality and possibly legal and structural prejudice- created ideas that every few years appear in a sickening manner.

Any rushed and emotional reaction which would isolate, intimidate and create more anxiety for the Muslim communities living in Europe and America not only will not solve the problem but will increase the chasms and resentments.

In any case, you are the ones that have to uncover the apparent layers of your own society and untie and disentangle the knots and resentments. Fissures have to be sealed, not deepened. Hasty reactions is a major mistake when fighting terrorism which only widens the chasms. Any rushed and emotional reaction which would isolate, intimidate and create more anxiety for the Muslim communities living in Europe and America- which are comprised of millions of active and responsible human beings- and which would deprive them of their basic rights more than has already happened and which would drive them away from society- not only will not solve the problem but will increase the chasms and resentments.

Superficial measures and reactions, especially if they take legal forms, will do nothing but increase the current polarizations, open the way for future crises and will result in nothing else. According to reports received, some countries in Europe have issued guidelines encouraging citizens to spy on Muslims. This behavior is unjust and we all know that pursuing injustice has the characteristic of unwanted reversibility. Besides, the Muslims do not deserve such ill-treatment. For centuries, the western world has known Muslims well- the day that westerners were guests in Islamic lands and were attracted to the riches of their hosts and on another day when they were hosts and benefitted from the efforts and thoughts of Muslims- they generally experienced nothing but kindness and forbearance.

Therefore I want you youth to lay the foundations for a correct and honorable interaction with the Islamic world based on correct understanding, deep insight and lessons learned from horrible experiences. In such a case and in the not too distant future, you will witness the edifice built on these firm foundations which creates a shade of confidence and trust which cools the crown of its architect, a warmth of security and peace that it bequests on them and a blaze of hope in a bright future which illuminates the canvass of the earth.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 30 Nov 2015 06:23

just for the record:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMUik3rwZ_w

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 30 Nov 2015 06:36

Tuan wrote:

western propoganda.Obama is not an innocent bystander.He is behind the mayhem.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 30 Nov 2015 06:38

After deep soch, I have concluded that Caliph Erdogan was telling the truth when he said: "V didn't know hoos plane v shot".
This explains why the F-16 pilot was not given a ticker-tape parade. Also explains the "God is great" that the turkmen are said to have exclaimed when they reached the dead pilot. Precise exclamation was

It eej a Roossian pilot!! AllaaaaaaaaahooooooAkbaaaar!

For once, the true translation of that would be

It eej a RUSSIAN pilot! Oh... sheeeyite!

As in "v r about 2 b fried!"
They must have been firing into the air like Bakis always do, at weddings etc.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 30 Nov 2015 06:40

chetak wrote:

where are the US ba$turds?

durairaaj · Post by **durairaaj** » 30 Nov 2015 06:53

^ They are the spectators.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 30 Nov 2015 06:55

Air raids in the west

habal · Post by **habal** » 30 Nov 2015 07:01

türkish police in action.
here is how they 'defend' a 'high risk individual'
dekho aur seekho.
first lesson: you must fire blanks ..
second lesson: let all attackers through .. unharmed of course

it is like ISI operation. but here ISI also manages security. lol

habal · Post by **habal** » 30 Nov 2015 07:45

NATO terror convoys halted at border
Turkey Arrests Generals for Stopping Syria-Bound Trucks 'Filled With Arms'

Two Turkish generals and a colonel were detained on Saturday for intercepting Syria-bound trucks that belonged to Turkey’s National Intelligence Organization (MIT), the newspaper Today’s Zaman reported.

http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1gpi0C/:1 ... terrorists.

Forget ISIL, Turkey is Now The New Islamic Caliphate Says French Journalist

http://investmentwatchblog.com/forget-i ... ournalist/

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 30 Nov 2015 08:17

Both the cartoons have one purpose only...to show how the US is a cut above the rest wallowing in the mudfest

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Nov 2015 08:37

we have a miraculous situation in north aleppo

FSA + others vs YPG + SDF and both are supported by the US and NATO !!

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Nov 2015 08:39

H e b a ‏@HK2307 12h12 hours ago
U.S backed groups fighting each other in #Aleppo: #FSA burn the flag of the #SDF after capturing 2 Kurdish villages

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Nov 2015 08:39

iranian bogeyman uncle is alive and well despite rumours

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Nov 2015 08:41

#FSA seems more like a holding company or brand like Unilever or GE that can sell anything from baby food to financial services to nuclear power plants!

a huge number of groups and factions move in and out of the umbrella tag #FSA based on shifting alliances and tactical situation.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Nov 2015 08:48

as reported earlier the SDF is close to Raqqa but lacks the mobility, artillery and mass.
I predict IS will abandon Raqqa and move south without much of a fight.

Elijah J. Magnier ‏@EjmAlrai Nov 28
The Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) /Jaysh Al-Thuwar is at 30km from #Raqqa & captured Al-Faysal, Al-Malkiyah from #FSA, #JN & #Ahraralsham

habal · Post by **habal** » 30 Nov 2015 08:49

what is SDF ?

seems like a coalition of quickly gathered 'moderates' who in indulge in 'moderate beheadings' and usurp land from ISIS and handover directly to NATO or Türkiye before SAA can recapture it's land.

habal · Post by **habal** » 30 Nov 2015 08:50

the speed with which they are going to recapture raqqa seems like tag tea
m operation between SDF-ISIS-NATO

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Nov 2015 08:51

SDF = YPG + yazidi/assyrian new militia + sunni arab tribes opposed to Daesh in N/NE Syria (aleppo-hasakah belt). yes ofcourse the US would much prefer these capture territory than the Govt.

anyway the Govt is not having resources to probe east, they have a fight on hands in south aleppo, latakia and idlib...so its kind of moot point. govt will try to cut down IS in deir azor after they take Palmyra which should be soon. the new sunni arab republic of syria & north iraq will perhaps GHQ @ Raqqa again, or Tikrit perhaps.

in NW syria, the Govt will be kept busy down to the last al nusra/turkoman militia to prevent any strong advance up or down the euphrates valley / lake assad / the vital dams. if the sunni tribes control the euphrates dams and the oil fields in raqqa and deir azzor its a huge loss for the Govt who will have to follow their terms in trading matters.

another north aleppo map of fighting between two US backed formations
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CU3JlVDWcAELAv2.png:large

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 30 Nov 2015 08:54

source: presstv (iran)
Iran’s Major General Soleimani headed Russian pilot rescue team: Syrian officer - Nov 28, 2015

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Nov 2015 08:55

^^ psyops I guess. like the scarlet pimpernel and batman he is here, there, everywhere.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 30 Nov 2015 08:59

Agree...not sure what the objective is but that was the reason I did not post before until I saw your post with his pic above

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 30 Nov 2015 09:00

Austin wrote:No US airstrikes in Syria since Russia deployed S-400 systems - Nov28, 2015
https://www.rt.com/news/323815-syria-s- ... irstrikes/

Habal wrote:Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha
Baath Battalion in #Latakia FB page claims #RuAF entered and exited Turkish airspace 5 times, no response by #Turkey was made

There is a view that the S400 can take down any 4-4.5+g aircraft and that includes the F-15,F-16 etc. Now that may or may not be correct... to date an S400 has never been fired at either of these two aircraft in combat with EW and counter EW equipment switched on. After the SU-24 takedown, the Russians will do everything to goad Turkey into responding by sending Turkish fighteraircraft outside Turkish airspace whether over the Aegan Sea to Greece or south into Syria. But the Turkish airforce does not want their F-16s to be the guinea pigs testing out the efficacy of the S400. The USAF is in a similar situation. A lot of the USAF sheen is built on its "invincibility" to penetrate any theater of war in the world at will without suffering any losses. One or two F-15s being shot down by the S400 will crumble that entire edifice of invincibility and call into question all of their other equipment/tactics. Hence they are also lying low.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Nov 2015 09:01

jihadi innovation , a dozer converted to MLRS launcher with 4 huge mortars
https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CU_z841VAAAFqal.mp4