Positive News from the USA

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 03 Dec 2015 05:51

And now for the Bositive neuj. SoCal being my second home, I have now gotta shave and wear a sombrero to try and pass of as "NOT A BAKI"

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 03 Dec 2015 05:54

O mah ... !! They shot up a center for helping ppl with disabilities???

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 03 Dec 2015 05:58

Quite Paki isn't it? Also they were having a Christmas party.
1. These guys were wearing all black
2. The shooters had pipe bombs

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 03 Dec 2015 05:58

They also did this in one of the poorest cities in California. Its like a detroit of Cal. I am still scratching my head as to why that place? What is the motive?

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 03 Dec 2015 05:59

source: ZH

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 03 Dec 2015 06:00

Notice, if the name is Farookh Sheikh sounds paki.
The name does not have any Al- prefix, or a bin- prefix, name is not middle eastern primarily.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 03 Dec 2015 06:03

Could also be Black, or a Gora convert.

Islam has a huge undercurrent in the American Prison system

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 03 Dec 2015 06:04

Hours later, aerial images from CNN affiliates showed two armored trucks approaching a black SUV riddled with bullet holes. A person could be seen on the ground not moving, with a long gun by his side.
Law enforcement officials told CNN that two suspects were in the SUV armed with AR-15-type weapons and threw what are believed to be pipe bombs out the windows as police closed in.
At least one suspect was killed in an exchange of gunfire with police, a law enforcement official said. A police officer was also hurt, but the injury is not life-threatening, police Sgt. Vicki Cervantes said.
A third suspect could still be on the loose, officials said.

Come on! This does not SOUND Paki. More like Idaho potato-head Nazis / Aryan Cretins. Not even a soosai vest!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 03 Dec 2015 06:07

One mard and one Zanana killed in the car.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 03 Dec 2015 06:08

Some anal-ists are saying that this one has some ideology behind it. I agree. It is impossible for three people to go "postal" at the same time without some serious IEDological motivation.

But then again, I wonder while scratching my bald head, why the ffffff would you do it at a place like that in a city like that? Why?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 03 Dec 2015 06:10

Or Free Californian Army (FCA). TOTALLY Moderate, pro-NATO.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 03 Dec 2015 06:16

Zanana killed, makes this less likely to be Paki...

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 03 Dec 2015 06:40

"dressed in dark, kind-of-tactical gear". per See Enn Enn. Quality of reporting has actually gone down, I didn't think CNN could achieve that!

From LATimes:

suspects fled from a home in Redlands as police arrived to search the residence. Officers pursued them back into San Bernardino, leading to a shootout that left both suspects dead and one officer wounded. The officer is expected to survive.
A federal law enforcement source told The Times that the suspects hurled what were believed to be pipe bombs at police during the vehicle pursuit. Burguan said police recovered one device, but it turned out not to be an explosive.
A third person was detained in the area where the pursuit ended. That person's connection to the shooting was unknown.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 03 Dec 2015 06:43

I wonder if ISIS mofos took responsibility for it? If they do, it will surely have interesting political dynamic in US.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 03 Dec 2015 06:48

With nearly 670 employees, the Inland Regional Center serves those with developmental disabilities in Riverside and San Bernardino counties, according to the center’s Facebook page.

The center has provided services to more than 30,200 people with developmental disabilities and their families for at least 40 years. The nonprofit organization serves children, adults and seniors.
According to the center, it was “built on the foundation of three core values — independence, inclusion, and empowerment. In following these core values, we hope to help provide each individual with a service system that helps identify and eliminate barriers for individuals with developmental disabilities and their families so they can closely live a typical lifestyle.”

Nooo idea why anyone would target them.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 03 Dec 2015 06:51

PeeAref was right of course...

Sayeed Farook, an American citizen being named as one of the suspects

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Dec 2015 06:54

Gagan wrote:Zanana killed, makes this less likely to be Paki...

One thing I can say for the US - secularism is safe. Pakistanis are known to be liberal, secular and democratic in the US so they can never be directly involved in violent acts.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 03 Dec 2015 06:56

fB pic looks paki allright..

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 03 Dec 2015 06:57

[img***]http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVP8W3GUEAAYV6u.jpg[/img]

Oh phuck. I need to shave.

EDITED: This is probably the wrong guy. Apologies.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 03 Dec 2015 07:26

U think these ARE the shooters, or just some Pakistanis who did what they usually do and ran from Polis?

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 03 Dec 2015 07:27

Hours before San Bernardino shooting, doctors urged Congress to lift funding ban on gun violence research WaPo - Dec 02, 2015

"It’s ironic," Price said in an interview Wednesday evening, after the extent of the carnage in California became clearer. "It certain does underscore what we were saying earlier today about the scourge of gun violence, which has become such a feature of our daily lives."

"It just affects the basic things we care about in public health – the mortality, the life expectancy, morbidity, mental health. It affects all of those things in pretty profound ways," Webster said of gun violence. "If we had a disease that was killing as many people as our guns in our country, we would devote a lot more resources to make sure we had the best data, the best research to know what is most affected."

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 03 Dec 2015 07:36

It was during a holiday party. [They] opened fired for 30 seconds…then paused to reload and began firing again.” http://lat.ms/1RnWQkM
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Los Angeles Times ‏@latimes 3h3 hours ago

Federal official says they believe a man angrily left a meeting, returned w/ “one or two” others, started shooting, reports @RickSerranoLAT

But they were wearing body armor and tactical pants - standard attire in San Bernardino to Xmas parties?

Y I Patel · Post by **Y I Patel** » 03 Dec 2015 07:43

Whatever this event turns out to be, I am really disappointed that a shooting event is discussed in these terms in a supposedly satirical thread. BRF is truly touching the sky with glory. And by many living in the States. You can be proud of yourselves.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 03 Dec 2015 07:51

I completely agree YIP.
This is a tragedy, feel sorry for the ones who lost their lives, and the ones who were injured.
This dhaga is the BENIS equivalent for the US, so this is not appropriate here.

RIP to those who were murdered by these two terrorists.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 03 Dec 2015 07:52

Now THAT's what I call a Positive Neuj Attitude!

V had forgotten what thread it was..
The event is a reflection of the proud dedication to the 2nd Amendment Rite to Bare Arms over the Fundamental Right To Life of ordinary people. If Americans really saw anything wrong with their nutcase compatriots running around carrying assault rifles, assault rifles would be banned in a jiffy. But they are not, and in many states there is explicit Right to carry such weapons in public. Political leaders rise to power on the strength of their commitment to allowing nutcases to carry automatic weapons. Given all that, it is more than a little hypocritical to shed crocodile tears when someone actually 'uses' these weapons in public places. Reading above, there is no lack of empathy for those killed or traumatized, no need for education on that, thank u very much. Blaming us for posting it in Positive News is surely very Righteous, but yes, it does belong in Positive News as reported in the spirit of reporting that American news media adopt about events in other nations. As long as these weapons of insane killing continue to be legal in the hands of crazies in the USA.

I don't think this was any sort of "terrorist" event, as described above. Sounds like someone went 'postal' and came back with a gang and their tools for expressing their frustrations and protests. In other countries they might have thrown a plantain skin. In California they use machine guns. Very Positive indeed.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 03 Dec 2015 07:54

i agree with y i patel, have little more respect for the victims

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 03 Dec 2015 08:08

Look at the table I posted above about number of mass shootings in the year so far and tell me what moral ground that terrorist supporting dung beetle has/had to preach India, as a visiting guest, about intolerance. This is as much a tragic event as other 331 mass shootings during the year were and no one celebrates such events other than sick pakis or their rich abrahamic cousins.

A good researcher can utilize this thread to give back to US in kind when it provides gratuitous advise to others on tolerance.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 03 Dec 2015 08:17

There have been many deaths that have been chronicled in this thread. I do not think there was any disrespect towards any of the victims.

When I wonder why in the world someone would go shoot up a place like that in one of the poorest cities in CA, it is not being facetious or satirical, I am feeling the pain and trying to point out the senselessness of the whole thing.

How in the world is that disrespectful? Assuming I am one of "those people" who is accused of "stoopin so low" and make "some jokes" at the expenses of those who were slaughtered today.

Multatuli · Post by **Multatuli** » 03 Dec 2015 08:21

I don't see any disrespect for the victims. There is nothing wrong with criticizing or even ridiculing the American gun culture. These attack happen, I think, primarily because guns are revered, are a symbol of manliness, and they are so easy to get. The right to own guns and to drive around in big cars (cheap petrol) are the holy cows in the US. US media ridicules just about every aspect of Indian culture, I personally find their gun craze funny, that is as long as I don't have to live there. It also seems to me that many Americans think it okay to shoot people if they are frustrated with things. American culture, like all Western cultures, are basically violent, they solve problems through violence, at home and even more so abroad, just think of their foreign policy for a minute.

The attitude of deference some Indians/NRI/PIO have toward the West/America is rather sickening to me.

member_29247 · Post by **member_29247** » 03 Dec 2015 08:25

Satire is not intended to or directed at the hapless victims, and it will never happen on BRF.
So let's cut that angle of interpretation.

The satire is at the politico socio economic angle which exploits the intentions of constitution to protect its citizens from tyranny.

If you see that so many efforts of parents whose innocents kids got slaughtered in all states lobbying for restricting the right to guns for geniune use of hunting recreation skillmanship is thwarted by certain loonies, then we hope that satire would help reform.

Isn't that the same was attempted by Je suis Charlie?

If one remembers or read Jim Corbet , Kenneth Adersoon exploits of killing Man eating Tigers and leopards harassing village folks stealing their farm animals.... Those gentlemen sat all night on trees waiting for the beast to show up and kill with a single bullet firing bolt action type rifles often with out infra red sights or telescopes...

Hunting moose from Helicopter with Ak47 or saying I need AR 4 type rifle that fires hundreds of rounds per minute is not hunting or sport or skillmanship ship

This satire is to show who is the beast not the victims not killers but the powers behind and in shadows that tie up laws of reform. These loonies do not let laws spirit and intent remain relevant.

If one feels that people are laughing at the victims or enjoying the pain of others, it's purely in their mind. that is once again in the mind.

Recall that Nepal earth quake was because of the sins of non believers and pagans only conversions can save the souls

That is truely offensive

It's hypocritical to be Pro Life and Pro Gun. ( here Pro stands for Professional Guns of the armed forces as well as for Guns)

Blue Lives Matter

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 03 Dec 2015 08:32

As Sen. Lindey Graham said, if people listened to McCain, Paris would not have happened.

By the same token, instead of waging decades long war in other countries resulting in killings of millions of people, if US focused on strengthening homeland security and developing local economy, events such as mentioned above would not happen. As a added bonus those millions would still be living with families.

Multatuli · Post by **Multatuli** » 03 Dec 2015 08:33

Christians think their country, America, to be morally so spectacularly superior to heathen countries like India. God Himself has lifted America above all other nations. Well yes, we witness it in these shootings, in the daily racism, in Las Vegas, etc., etc..

And by the way, shaving off your beard and wearing a sombrero for the next few weeks may not be a bad idea at all. I don't know how your Spanish is, well this maybe a good time to start learning. If I lived in California, or one of the other states with lots of Hispanic signorina's, I would have been fluent in in Spanish.

vina · Post by **vina** » 03 Dec 2015 10:56

Y I Patel wrote:discussed in these terms in a supposedly satirical thread

Satirical Thread ?

Here I was thinking that this thread documents actual reality of the USA in all it's complexity and reflects that in the same language , tone and tenor of the American press all for the sake of ease of understanding for an average American who might land up in this thread.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 03 Dec 2015 11:26

I protest!

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 03 Dec 2015 16:09

Shreeman wrote:I protest!

Pls specify, is that w/ w/o agreement with the 2nd Amendment?

I bet all these crimes are being committed with cheap imported Russian or Chinese machine guns. An AMERICAN (or NATO) machine gun would NEVER kill innocent people. Killed by an Am/NATO gun? They u must b guilty, as Attorney Gen. Edwin Meese said:

Y would u b a suspect unless u r guilty?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 03 Dec 2015 16:17

Remember: Innocent until Proven Guilty In a Court of Law, Beyond Reasonable Doubt. All v "know" is that these ppl may have been at the fateful party, and that they were killed by police.

Police say Farook, 28, and Malik, 27, are either married or in a relationship. The Council on American Islamic Relations, a Muslim advocacy group, said Farook has been married for two years -- but wouldn't confirm whether Malik was the wife's name.
Farook and his wife left their 6-month-old girl with Farook's grandmother Wednesday and said they had a doctor's appointment.
The grandmother became concerned when she saw reports of the shooting and couldn't reach him.
Farook worked at the place he attacked
Farook, an American citizen, was an environmental health specialist with the San Bernardino County health department, which was hosting the holiday party at Inland Regional.
He had been there five years. Records list a man with his name and title who worked at the agency and made $53,000 in 2013. He graduated from California State University San Bernardino with a degree in environmental health in 2009.
Police don't have a motive {I agree, but did these people?}
Farook was at the party but left abruptly before the shooting. He seemed angry, witnesses told police. He returned. And, along with Malik, he went into the building and began firing.
There are no indications his job was in jeopardy, police said. They're also unaware of any criminal history.
Farhan Khan, Farook's brother-in-law, told reporters he too was at a loss.
"I have no idea why he would he do something like this. I have absolutely no idea. I am in shock myself," Khan said.
He said the family, like the rest of America, will have to wait for the police investigation for answers.
Farook and Malik didn't appear to have left behind a note, a law enforcement official said.
He kept a low profile
Those who worked with Farook described him as quiet.
"I would say hi and bye. But we never engaged him in conversation. He didn't say much at all," said Griselda Reisinger, a former co-worker, told the Los Angeles Times.
Maria Gutierrez, who knew Farook, used the same word to describe him to The New York Daily News.
"He was quiet but always polite," she said.
He met his wife online
One co-worker, Patrick Baccari, told the Los Angeles Times that Farook recently visited Saudi Arabia to meet a woman he met online. They returned as husband and wife.
Farook had a profile set up on iMilap.com, which describes itself as "a site for people with disabilities and second marriage."
The profile said he "enjoys working on vintage and modern cars, reads religious books, enjoys eating out sometimes.
"Enjoys travelling and just hanging out in the back yard doing target practice with his younger sister and friends."
He said he was from a secular family
In the same profile, Farook said he came from a Muslim family with "Eastern and Western" family values.
There's no indication when the profile was set up. But his father told the New York Daily News Farook was very religious.
"He would go to work, come back, go to pray, come back," he said.
He and his brother share the same name
It's important to note Farook's middle name -- Rizwan. Because his older brother is also named Syed Farook but has a different middle name.
Farook and Malik 'came prepared'
The attackers were "dressed in dark, kind of tactical gear," Burguan said. They carried rifles and semi-automatic handguns.
Two handguns recovered have been traced back to Farook. He purchased them legally three or four years ago, an official said. Two rifles were purchased by someone else, possibly a former roommate, also legally three or four years ago. Officials don't think that person had anything to do with the shooting.
"These were people that came prepared," he said. "There had to have been some degree of planning that went into this."
They intended to inflict more damage
A bag believed to belong to the shooters was found inside the conference room. Inside, investigators found three rudimentary explosive devices packed with black powder and rigged to a remote controlled car. The remote for the car was found inside the SUV where Farook and Malik were later killed, a law enforcement official said.
That means the pair planned to use the remote to detonate the explosives from a distance, the official said. Either it didn't work because of distance or they didn't do it. Officials later rendered the explosive devices safe.
They died in a hail of bullets
After carrying out the attack at Inland Regional -- where they killed 14 people and injured at least 17 -- Farook and Malik led police on a chase. Farook fired at officers while Malik drove, officials said. They died in the shootout, which involved 21 officers.
CNN's Evan Perez, Barbara Starr, Pamela Brown, Deborah Feyerick, Michael Martinez, Joshua Berlinger, Ashley Fantz, Joshua Gaynor, Jason Hanna, John Newsome, Stella Chan, Nadia Kounang, Steve Almasy, Kyung Lah, Alberto Moya, Catherine E. Shoichet, Andy Rose, Tina Burnside, Dave Alsup, Artemis Mostaghian and David Shortell contributed to this report.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 03 Dec 2015 18:29

The news reporters need to stop beating about the bush.
People need to know, how many times did the guy visit Pakistan, and how long did he stay there.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 03 Dec 2015 19:03

This is ridiculous.US censorship initially about the names and ethnic background of the suspects shot dead.With names like "Syed and Tashfeen",can any normal person not think first that they were either terrorists or ISIS/jihadi inspired Moslems ? The keystone cops statement is simply absurd:
"it may or may not have been a terrorist attack"!

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 03 Dec 2015 22:16

UlanBatori wrote:
Shreeman wrote:I protest!
Pls specify, is that w/ w/o agreement with the 2nd Amendment?
I bet all these crimes are being committed with cheap imported Russian or Chinese machine guns. An AMERICAN (or NATO) machine gun would NEVER kill innocent people. Killed by an Am/NATO gun? They u must b guilty, as Attorney Gen. Edwin Meese said:
Y would u b a suspect unless u r guilty?

I was just protesting. Not for anything OR against anything. I just wanted some attention. Pay attention to me. Oh, wont no one hold me or love me?

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 03 Dec 2015 22:19

^^while protesting for no reason I am glad you didn't say..."shame on you all" as we will be left wondering wtf are we to carry guilt for.