Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2015

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Dec 2015 06:32

LokeshC wrote:BTW, this is the bhabi of the terrorist and the terrorist:

https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpre ... -malik.png

Please dont spread the wrong pic. The above IS NOT Tuffsheet malik.

EDITED for clarity.

Now who would blame an American for recognizing that as a terrorist lady's dress? The blame will now spread from Pakistan to Saudi to Indians.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 05 Dec 2015 06:36

LOL. I would not be surprised if someone mistakes a saree for a Burkha now.

That Lady in that pic is clearly not "Sauth Assian". She looks like a gori/eastern european.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Dec 2015 06:38

Because the US is wholesome, free and democratic, Islamic radicalization could not have occurred in the US. It has to have come from outside.

Because Pakistan is a moderate Islamic democracy with an elected parliament in which less than 5% of votes went to radicals, radicalization cannot have occurred in Pakistan.

So it must have occurred in Saudi Arabia.

But why anger against the US? It's IS who are sexually repressed and jealous of America's freedoms

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 05 Dec 2015 06:41

I completely agree. Let me add that we should bomb Assad for this attack on American values, in order to do so we must give Bakis atleast 20 more F-16 and a few ASWs helos and AWACS to keep ISIS from spreading.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 05 Dec 2015 06:51

So now US intelligence is openly saying that Tashfeen Malik's family has ties to Islamic militant organizations..Some of the extended family members were known..politically influential (family from Karor Lal Esan in Layyah district).

One chacha-jaan is Malik Ahmad Ali Aulakh.. was a provincial minister from 2008-13.
Link: Malik Ali Aulakh

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Dec 2015 07:00

Long ago there was a BRF poster - one of two guys who posted on BRF with their own Muslim names - both Indian. In fact one of them invented the name "Mushy". It was the other guy who jokingly pointed out that in Muslim families a misbehaving child might be gently told off by mummy that he should stop behaving like a kafir. The idea that misbehaviour is non Muslim in character aand good behaviour is what characterizes a Muslim is probably a common meme. It is not as if a child grows up in a secular environment looking at towel heads, joos, niggrs and others as normal people and then "gets radicalized" later on. Not at all. the bias that "abnormality means not being Muslim" is introduced at home. It is easy to accept that non Muslims are bad/badly behaved. It is only when a proper Islamic education takes such a person and tells him about injustice to Muslims and what should be done to them that the pre-existing bias gets translated into a plan of action.

I do not for one minute believe the crap that I am reading that the mard shooter who lived in the US was an all American star till he mysteriously got radicalized after marriage to Touchnfeel who herself got radicalized in KSA

He was born in shitistan. He has Paki parents. He was doubtless brought up from day 1 being taught that it is a sin to be a non Muslim. Once that meme exists "radicalization" is one step away.

As an aside the word "radicalization" is derived from the word for "root". Islamic radicalization means returning to roots. But hey who cares

Please ignore this post. Even if anyone on BRF believes it - the information will not make one bit of difference to the investigating agencies or Amirkhans who will go about this with the same degree of competence that the Pakis used to investigate Benazir Bhuttos accidental death after her head hit a car sunroof lever

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 05 Dec 2015 08:11

Also few tidbits - No reports or photos of the wedding have surfaced so far (I have not seen any)
- Tashfeen was so orthodox that even Farook's own family never saw her without a veil. (LA Times)
- Tashleen's father Malik Gulzar Aulkah also moved to the United States. (They don't say if she had anything to do with his emigration)
- Here is a youtube video of her uncle..(Malik Ahmad Ali Aulakh-Ministarial reception at home..for some background)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI9Mc76kvdA

member_29218 · Post by **member_29218** » 05 Dec 2015 08:24

Ayaan Hirsi Ali on CNN a few minutes ago (paraphrasing a bit):

"I don't believe he was radicalized by the wife, he was already on the way there two years ago and the family must have seen it. The word is not 'radicalize' but 'pious'. When a person becomes more withdrawn, applies sharia to himself, immerses himself more in the Koran and behaves differently from the rest of the family as they used to, then it is time to worry and that is the time to stop them before they become violent"

Further:

"The only way to stop this is for the politicians to stop being PC and call it what it is. I read the New York Times. See the comments to the articles, the common man calls it what it is. The leaders need to recognize it and do the same."

Exactly what I've said all these years to my family!

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 05 Dec 2015 08:34

^^^For example so much "pious" that she would not be in the same room (syed did not allow) as her male in-laws. Malik’s brother-in-law had never seen her face.. (per Washington Post)
(There is no way, i that can be called "normal/typical/acceptable" family practice. I have never seen this with ANYONE even remotely friends with me .. they will be called uncivilized)

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Dec 2015 08:36

After the Paris carnage there was a triumphant warning from IS that there will be other targets, including the US, and I doubt if they were talking about tornadoes.

No western agency gives a rat's jhaant about what Indians say - but I will say it nevertheless. When Pakistan started its assaults on India a consistent theme has been to cause an uprising of Indian Muslims against India. It was expected in particular that such an uprising would take place in J&K in 1965. This idea falls within the overall Islamist vision of the ummah as a nation under a global caliphate. It is another matter that Indian Muslims did not rise up, nor were Muslims slaughtered in revenge for terrorist attacks although our secular parties would have been just as happy to see that happen as someone pointed out that the deep state of the US would not care about "pinpricks"

But the idea of such attacks is to cause xenophobia against Muslims. It is actually a brilliant strategy because xenophbia against Muslims will create more enemies internally (or so it is thought) and lack of such xenophobia or revenge will allow Muslims to make more demands so that they can live lives as free Muslims. Technically this could include burqas in schools and the shutting down of all eateries in the daytime in some places during Ramzan. It is a heads I win, tails you lose offer.

Xenophobe Americans will call for burning qurans and being suspicious of Muslims (Is that what Trump is doing now?). Others will call for tolerance and acceptance of Muslim demands in local communities. This will lead to an internal sickular-communal struggle in the US on lines similar to what we have seen in India. The dynamics in the US will not be the same as in India. Our history is different as is the way our society looks at dress codes and public behaviour. As far as I can tell Europe has not figured out a good balance yet. The US is only beginning to get there.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 05 Dec 2015 08:37

Bakistani Mawali family, Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Dec 2015 08:37

Primus wrote:Ayaan Hirsi Ali on CNN a few minutes ago (paraphrasing a bit):

"I don't believe he was radicalized by the wife, he was already on the way there two years ago and the family must have seen it. The word is not 'radicalize' but 'pious'. When a person becomes more withdrawn, applies sharia to himself, immerses himself more in the Koran and behaves differently from the rest of the family as they used to, then it is time to worry and that is the time to stop them before they become violent"

Thanks for posting old friend. This is exactly what I said a few posts ago but the lady has said it better.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 05 Dec 2015 08:42

Now who wants to give multiple entry visas to Bakistanis please raise your hands?

Why are commie swines MSA and SK not condemning the brutal murder of these innocent muslims at the hands of american state terrorists?

Why is NDTV not doing its usual taqiyyabaazi and calling these terrorists as muslim freedom fighters fighting american oppression against peaceful people?

The Gutter swines in the English language media seems to have gone completely silent and not doing their usual equal-equal tamasha?

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 05 Dec 2015 08:55

Okay so where is papa jaan of the female shooter? According to WP, NYTimes, he is in USA.. did he buy a few guns (those which Farook did not buy himself as wedding gift?.. Why noone in media is curious?

Another name/connection came up with respect to Malik - Umar Kundi -- wasn't he Alqaeda doc? (he sure comes from the same village).. then we have L-eT connection too.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 05 Dec 2015 09:33

Amber G. wrote:Okay so where is papa jaan of the female shooter?

Singing Naats and preparing for his Gitmo trip.

Amber G. wrote:Another name/connection came up with respect to Malik - Umar Kundi -- wasn't he Alqaeda doc? (he sure comes from the same village).. then we have L-eT connection too.

All terrorist groups are wings of Bakistan Army. Lashkar-e-Taiyyaba, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and other three letter jihadi tanzeems are dogs which are let loose whenever the generals need to extort some money. Since the bakistani economy is in doldrums, the jihadi generals felt an attack at the american economic centre in california will yield a quick release of the coalition support fund aka jizya http://thediplomat.com/2015/08/us-set-t ... -pakistan/

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 05 Dec 2015 09:44

It can be seen from the posts of US based forumites on the shootings that most are still either in 1) shock and awe 2) denial 3) do not understand 4) do not want to point out shortcomings in US approach for fear of the FBI visiting their house

and hence do not point out the inability of current US thinking in coming to grips with the Islamic scourge. But at the same time dhoti shiver at the slightest hint of a cricket match with Pakistan. If a sadak chaap Pakistan is leading Amrika around the ring by holding its nose ring what does it say about Amrikan staregic thinking. It is just sheer arrogance and it percolates from Hillary Clinton to the average joe on the street. Islamists are not scared of the armed Xtian kabila. For now they will work with Taqiya to build up their numbers with patience and determination....Full marks to them in taking advantage of this gap in Xtiandom between Eastern and western Rome.

Coming back to the USA, the change if it comes has to come from the street level level which will force the Washington elites/SD/Pentagon to change their strategy and come to a more comprehensive assessment.

Incidents like the San Bernardino shootings will help but at this pace by the time people wake M pop will reach 20% of the population and will take painful chemotherapy to weed this scourge out.

I think Islamists will first set up base in a more hospitable clime like Canada to advance their operations in North America. Remember reading that justification for AQ to relocate to Afghanistan before 9/11 was to set up a base where only the Momeen could commiserate with each other before setting out to take on the Kaffir. For North America this base could be Canada.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 05 Dec 2015 09:53

ArmenT wrote:This is the guy's profile on a matrimonial site:
http://www.imilap.com/profileresultDeta ... 35242#more

One more profile of the terrorist is here:
http://www.dubaimatrimonial.com/details.asp?Member=6090

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 05 Dec 2015 10:05

Avinash R wrote:Bakistani Mawali family, Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik

"She" looks like a man.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 05 Dec 2015 10:10

Seems like a forced marriage to me, not just arranged. Someone fu(ked up this Rizwan dude. If the parents were estranged, who sorted things out. He was just a channel and useful idiot. There's a gamer behind this Shyte and he's sitting in Pindi.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 05 Dec 2015 11:24

jem - some sort of "we can do this a lot, you know.." type message???

vina · Post by **vina** » 05 Dec 2015 11:28

KJo wrote:
Avinash R wrote:Bakistani Mawali family, Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik

"She" looks like a man.

Yup.. Its as if the Paki with the beard shaved with and used NAIR hair cream remover, put on a brown burkha and became the Paki Mohtarma on the right.

And yup , you could be right. That does look like a she-male. Chix with KendoStyx indeed.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 05 Dec 2015 11:32

Amber G. wrote:Also few tidbits - No reports or photos of the wedding have surfaced so far (I have not seen any)
- Tashfeen was so orthodox that even Farook's own family never saw her without a veil. (LA Times)

This is the part I have a hard time believing. She might not be seen by the *male* members of his family, but there is no way in hell she couldn't be seen by the female members of his family (at least his mom and two sisters for sure. Maybe not his Russian sister in law, but there are pics of her in burqa as well, so good chance she did as well.)

Incidentally, news reports say that the mom was also seen in burqa frequently. What was interesting was when reporters were allowed into his house, they found his mom's expired drivers license from 2009 in there (minus burqa). I wonder if that old license was being misused by the wife or something. By the way, there was also something that looked like a series of 4 pictures that looked like his wife's picture (the sort of 4 pics you take for passport photos) minus burqa in the news report. Anyone want a screen cap?

[edit]Could also be the pics of his sister(s) because eyebrows don't seem to quite match up. News report is here:
http://gawker.com/msnbc-reporter-rifles ... 1746220523
Pics are starting at 11:45. Could be anyone. Also some of the other pics look like his family birthday party pics and stuff.
[/edit]

vina · Post by **vina** » 05 Dec 2015 11:32

JE Menon wrote:Seems like a forced marriage to me, not just arranged. Someone fu(ked up this Rizwan dude.

Nope that Rizwan Paki could have gone to the cops, instead of putting on tactical gear and loading up with weapons and ammo that can equip a division and go with that Mohtarma and shoot up a whole bunch of ordinary people. He was into it alright and already fu*cked up and an active participant and planner

He was just a channel and useful idiot. There's a gamer behind this Shyte and he's sitting in Pindi.

He was the perpetrator. The planner and string puller might be in Pindi and gassing about after going overboard with a big meal of Pindi Channa.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 05 Dec 2015 11:45

Gus wrote:jem - some sort of "we can do this a lot, you know.." type message???

Yup... test run perhaps. But it seems very much still like a rushed thing. Like the decision to act was brought forward.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 05 Dec 2015 11:50

Don't know vina. I got the feeling from the start that in this case, miss kendostix was in the lead. He was bious. Where's he going to go? to the cops against his wife and family. This backpaki? He may have loved the US life, but not the US. He loved the freedom for himself, but not for others. Plus probably the first woman he shagged. She told him hey, let's do this mission for Allah. He'd have said Inshallah, after 10 seconds of considering how a waterboarding might feel like.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 05 Dec 2015 11:59

JE Menon wrote:It's the chick. Pakistan has a rep for sending out lunatic chix with kendo stix. Aafia Siddiqui be one.

Aafia S. Is (was.) an MIT PhD. Her chem class can stil be found on MIT courseware. But this "Bonnie Parker" is more of an uneducated (not necessarily unintelligent) "housewife" per the two lawyers representing Farook family.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 05 Dec 2015 12:21

ArmenT wrote:
Amber G. wrote:Also few tidbits - No reports or photos of the wedding have surfaced so far (I have not seen any)
- Tashfeen was so orthodox that even Farook's own family never saw her without a veil. (LA Times)
This is the part I have a hard time believing. She might not be seen by the *male* members of his family, but there is no way in hell she couldn't be seen by the female members of his family (at least his mom and two sisters for sure. Maybe not his Russian sister in law, but there are pics of her in burqa as well, so good chance she did as well.)

Incidentally, news reports say that the mom was also seen in burqa frequently. What was interesting was when reporters were allowed into his house, they found his mom's expired drivers license from 2009 in there (minus burqa). I wonder if that old license was being misused by the wife or something. By the way, there was also something that looked like a series of 4 pictures that looked like his wife's picture (the sort of 4 pics you take for passport photos) minus burqa in the news report. Anyone want a screen cap?

[edit]Could also be the pics of his sister(s) because eyebrows don't seem to quite match up. News report is here:
http://gawker.com/msnbc-reporter-rifles ... 1746220523
Pics are starting at 11:45. Could be anyone. Also some of the other pics look like his family birthday party pics and stuff.
[/edit]

that land lord is some sort of humanitarian. I woulda charged the Fourth Estate admission. damn, wish I owned that SUV. It'd be like bonnie and clyde's car. I would send to saudi arabia so pay to gawk at it.

vina · Post by **vina** » 05 Dec 2015 12:22

Anyway, I think Indians should simply avoid all the "desi" areas like Jackson Heights NY, Artesia in LA,Devon Ave, Chicago as it is infested with a sizeable number of these BackPakis and give those areas up fully to them and create new desi areas if at all which simply are way more up market from these old dumps and "market segment" out the Back Pakis.

vina · Post by **vina** » 05 Dec 2015 12:23

TSJones wrote: that land lord is some sort of humanitarian. I woulda charged the Fourth Estate admission.

Nothing of that sort I assure you. I watched that video and heard something like $1000 or something thrown about. I am betting that it is a lot more.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 05 Dec 2015 12:27

vayu tuvan wrote:
JE Menon wrote:It's the chick. Pakistan has a rep for sending out lunatic chix with kendo stix. Aafia Siddiqui be one.
Aafia S. Is (was.) an MIT PhD. Her chem class can stil be found on MIT courseware. But this "Bonnie Parker" is more of an uneducated (not necessarily unintelligent) "housewife" per the two lawyers representing Farook family.

Hardly uneducated. She attended college in Pakland studying towards a degree in Pharmacy. Attending college is more than what the average person there in Pak does, so definitely edumacated and from a well-off family too.

By the way, one of the two lawyers that the family hired seems to be a bit of a loony himself. He was earlier in the news for suggesting that Sandy Hook never happened. He starts off today's news conference by claiming that the chick was too small to be handling weapons and that they didn't shoot anybody and no one saw that Rizwan fella at the scene with pipe bombs ityadi. Videos for your entertainment are here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fugRJ8Y-od0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7klgsy5iwc

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 05 Dec 2015 12:47

Given the number of Pakistanis in the US, more trouble ahead for sure. Front line all-lies!!

partha · Post by **partha** » 05 Dec 2015 12:49

Karan M wrote:Given the number of Pakistanis in the US, more trouble ahead for sure. Front line all-lies!!

Considering how easy it is to buy guns in US

Deadly combination.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 05 Dec 2015 12:52

Avinash R wrote:Bakistani Mawali family, Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik

If I was married to this KendoStix-Chic, I might have gone for my 72 ASAP as well. Poor Rizwan, I feel that he is a pawn (in all seriousness). I also think that someone fu(ked up in the timing and the target for achieving 72.

Motorma might have become "self-activated" and deviated from instructions send from Pindi resulting in premature firing.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 05 Dec 2015 13:03

partha wrote:
Karan M wrote:Given the number of Pakistanis in the US, more trouble ahead for sure. Front line all-lies!!
Considering how easy it is to buy guns in US Deadly combination.

They've been using the SoothAsian terminology to blend in with Indians.
Now the term "Paki" will be household usage in massa.
At least now good sense must prevail on those Indian groups in massaland prone to doing pappi jhappi to dissociate from the Pakis & SoothAsianness in general.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xQT3HmIWIEw

Something odd about these goofball's eyebrows
Is it part of lawyering up in massa?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 05 Dec 2015 13:09

Amber G. wrote:Sorry if already posted but this is important.. Maulana Burqa connection..

BREAKING : – California Shooter Girl Tashfeen Has Links With Lal Masjid

link: http://www.zemtv.com/2015/12/05/breakin ... lal-masji/

(A senior adviser to Obama confronted Nawaz in person showing the connection.. US also pointed out the the intelligence (with pictures) came from their own sources ..ISI kept quiet.

So she turned out to be one of the Kendostyx sistahs.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Dec 2015 13:27

Guys, looks like ISI & LeT are planning a series of strikes in India. An ISI agent who did recce all over the country is on the loose. LeT module seems busted in New Delhi. Something that needs to be watched closely.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 05 Dec 2015 14:19

Cotton collapse
http://www.dawn.com/news/1224235/cotton-collapse

Published in Dawn, December 5th, 2015

THE harvest of the country’s most important crop, and the raw material for its largest industry, has just dropped by an alarming quantity. The cotton crop this year was expected to come in just under 15 million bales, whereas the Cotton Ginners Association has confirmed that less than nine million bales have been produced whereas in the same period last year, the figure was 12.6m bales. The drop is a steep one, and although the harvest is still under way and the figure is expected to rise to 10m bales by the time the harvest is complete, the drop will still be amongst the largest in recent years. The bulk of the declines have occurred in southern Punjab, the cotton belt of the country, which has seen output plummet by 39pc, with Sindh only marginally affected.

Given the importance of the crop for our economy, it is imperative to understand the reasons behind this steep fall. The agriculture sector has been hit hard by a variety of factors in recent years, including climate change, collapsing commodity prices and rising input costs. Undoubtedly, this drop is due to a mix of factors, but it is important to determine whether it is a one-off event attributed to the floods or if it represents a consistent degradation in our cotton-producing capacity as market forces turn adverse for the farmer. It is difficult to imagine that floods alone could account for such a steep decline since none of the major deluges of the past five years, including the super flood of 2010, resulted in such large destruction of the cotton crop. Industry is compensating by importing cotton to meet their requirements, but if the declines are the result of a sustained degradation in our cotton crop, Pakistan’s textile industry will also be adversely affected. Fears to this effect are already being felt in industry circles, and the government would be well advised to immediately come up with a credible snapshot of what lies behind the declines.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 05 Dec 2015 14:30

Christians are invading Pakistani capital Islamabad : Govt agency

The Capital Development Authority (CDA) has used the lowest common denominator to justify its slum razing — bigotry. The civic agency, in a reply to the Supreme Court, has claimed that the influx of poor Christians from across the country could lead to ‘demographic problems’. Its suggestions to resolve the slum crisis also include a number of points that may infringe on the fundamental rights of citizens.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1004165/slu ... mabad-cda/

arun · Post by **arun** » 05 Dec 2015 14:58

Reuters portrait of the Pakistani women Tashfeen Malik' who along with her Pakistani origin husband Syed Rizwan Farook was involved in the San Bernardino, California, US shooting which killed 14.

Reuters reports she was born in Karor Lal Esan in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Punjab province aka Pakjab and as a toddler moved to Saudi Arabia. She returned to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to study at Bahauddin Zakariya University in Multan to become a pharmacist.

Reuters also says that CNN reported that one U.S. official said Malik had made the pledge to al-Baghdadi in a posting on Facebook on Wednesday, the day of the attack, under an account that used a different name. That makes this an act of Mohammadden Terrorism.

Reuters further says Malik was related to Ahmed Ali Aulak, a former Pakistani provincial minister:

Investigators piece together portrait of Pakistani woman in shooting massacre

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 05 Dec 2015 15:08

If Pak commits terrorists acts, it will perhaps give India an opportunity to bomb Pak while US is distracted in Syria? no?