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arun wrote:Reuters portrait of the Pakistani women Tashfeen Malik' who along with her Pakistani origin husband Syed Rizwan Farook was involved in the San Bernardino, California, US shooting which killed 14.
Reuters reports she was born in Karor Lal Esan in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Punjab province aka Pakjab and as a toddler moved to Saudi Arabia. She returned to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to study at Bahauddin Zakariya University in Multan to become a pharmacist.
Reuters also says that CNN reported that one U.S. official said Malik had made the pledge to al-Baghdadi in a posting on Facebook on Wednesday, the day of the attack, under an account that used a different name. That makes this an act of Mohammadden Terrorism.
Reuters further says Malik was related to Ahmed Ali Aulak, a former Pakistani provincial minister:
shiv wrote:
Because Pakistan is a moderate Islamic democracy with an elected parliament in which less than 5% of votes went to radicals, radicalization cannot have occurred in Pakistan.
So it must have occurred in Saudi Arabia.
Hakimsaab,
Saudi can not be mentioned in the same breath as terrorist. I often ask Amreekans about the nationality of the 9/11 perpetrators. They will mention Irak, Iran, even Pak. Never Saudi. Saudi and its royal family is birather.
Gautam
Multan is a hotbed for Jihadi recruitment in Pakistan.
JEM has over 20 recruitment centers there, people are sent to their markaz in Bahawalpur further south for more training.
LET has several recruitment centers - Ajmal Kasab and a few other 26/11 terrorists were from the multan area (Fareedkot village in the town of Khanewal is just 40 Kms NE of multan)
So if a girl has been a former kendostyx sista, and she goes to multan to study some Pharmacy course (one of those dead end courses in some college), I am sure there is plenty of time to indulge in tableeq and other religious activities.
The hubby in one of the visits to Pakistan, might have mentioned his love for guns and shooting, and probably ended up getting in contact with people, whose business it is to train people in guns.
It is 400% possible that he attended some kind of Daura-e-Aam / Khaas course by either the JEM or LET.
This should further bring things in perspective. Multan is kind of South Punjab, Pakistan - a known hotbed of terrorism. Layyah is right on the eastern bank of Indus, KP is on the other side of the indus. Wife in California massacre visited terrorist haven in Pakistan
Her father, Gulzak Malik, previously lived in the Karor Lal Esan locality of District Layyah in Pakistan's tumultuous Southern Punjab province. Tashfeen Malik, went to that province several years ago to study pharmacy in Multan city — known for its mangos that are exported worldwide. She often visited Layyah while a student, neighbors said.
Government critics long have demanded a full-fledged military operation against the Layyah area — about 300 miles from Pakistan's capital here — which they contend is a known breeding ground for terrorists and militant training centers:
• Saifur Rehman Saifi, a terrorist credited with pioneering suicide attacks in Pakistan after 9/11, joined the militancy in his native Layyah. After he was killed in Afghanistan, his friends brought his body to the city for burial.
• Masood Azhar, the founder of the militant Jaish-e-Muhammad organization, is a native of Bahawalpur city in the same Southern Punjab region. He is the most-wanted terrorist in India, which released him in exchange for prisoners on a hijacked Indian airliner in 1999.
• Malik Ishaq, the former leader of the globally known militant group Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, was killed this year in Muzaffargarh, about 62 miles from Layyah.
Data collected by the South Asia Terrorism Portal shows that there are about 57 extremist and terror groups in the Punjab province alone.
The FBI says it has recovered Tashfeen Malik's photos with hardline cleric Maulana Abdul Aziz of Islamabad, who had announced open support of the Islamic State.
Looks like the good kendostyx sista was behaving like a good talibilm of her loved maulana and attributed her terrorist strike to ISIS going after what her loved maulana did.
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Was this attack the biggest terrorist attack on US soil after 9-11? The number "14 killed" is not small. It is a massacre. It just pales compared to Mumbai and Paris and yes the Peshawar school attack. The modus operandi was the same. Islamists have now conducted more attacks on US soil and killed more Americans on the US mainland than Japan, Germany and the USSR combined no?
But there is one thing that occurs to me that makes me smile - it's a smile of irony, not mirth. The more I think about it, the more it appears to me that the almighty US is being forced into the same situation that India was forced into by Islamists from Pakistan in 1947. India had no desire to attack. It was Pakistan that attacked. They first wanted to take Kashmir and later they simply wanted to hit back. All the time it was them attacking. But no one in the world listens to the whiny story that says "We don't want to fight them. They are hitting us" They want war. They want the fight. In the end - even if you are "innocent" it won't help you - you are in a war.
This is what Islamists are telling the US. Americans might tell themselves "We are not at war with Islam. We simply hit back at bad people" But the US will have to learn that Islamists, and by default Islam, is at war with the US. Bleaty appeals that the US does not want war with Islam is as pointless as Indians trying to say "We mean Pakistan no harm. They have started every war". India still has the US saying "Pakistan has a legitimate defence need".
I wonder how many people now feel that Islamists have a legitimate defence need against the US, like Pakistan does against India. Islam has been hitting the US constantly from the Reagan era. USS Cole. Nairobi. 9-11. US targets in Afghanistan. US nationals in India (Mumbai). That Times square Paki. The shoe-icide bomber. Now this. Islamists are on the US mainland and for this they ca defintely claim bigger success than other powers who fought the US in the past. And they are at war with the US and the US does not know whom to fight. This is exactly what they want.
Someone once pointed out that India is a big country and more people die in read accidents than terrorist attacks. That is true for the US as well. The US will learn nothing, do nothing and achieve nothing. This incident will be forgotten and buried. So this is the time to enjoy the limelight that Pakis are getting '. In a couple of weeks the issue will be solved. Loner. radicalized by alcoholic father. Girl radicalized in KSA. Both dead. US is safe till the next tornado alert. Back to local issues. Guns don't kill. People kill. Obama is trying to take our guns away.etc. And Pakistan's "genuine defence needs" will be fulfilled. Expect Pakistan to join Turkey's side in the war in Syria and take the burden off the US in some way.
We can go back to discussing cricket
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g.sarkar wrote: I often ask Amreekans about the nationality of the 9/11 perpetrators. They will mention Irak, Iran, even Pak. Never Saudi. Saudi and its royal family is birather.
Gautam
Of the 19 hijakers in 9/11
15 were saudi
2 were from UAE
1 Egyptian
1 Lebanese
Gagan wrote:The pipe bomb making skill must have been acquired from Pakistan
I betcha this is the case. The US has the option of asking Indian intel about the design of dozens of unexploded pipe bombs found in various locations in India. But they won't bother. Pakistan is a moderate democracy and an ally. The answers are already out there. Here was a loner pushed to the brink by a radicalized woman. They were planning for something worse but they have been terminated. Peace reigns again. America is safe.
g.sarkar wrote: I often ask Amreekans about the nationality of the 9/11 perpetrators. They will mention Irak, Iran, even Pak. Never Saudi. Saudi and its royal family is birather.
Gautam
Of the 19 hijakers in 9/11
15 were saudi
2 were from UAE
1 Egyptian
1 Lebanese
This time it was a Paki.
All these countries are Islamic and all are closely allied to the US. That is why the US is not at war with Islam. Islam may want war with the US. The US will hit someone, but it won't get anywhere near solving anything for anyone.
Delhi Police said on Saturday that Pakistan-based terror group Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) is planning to carry out terror strikes in the capital and several other cities.
The police said in its First Information Report filed on Saturday that the LeT attacks could possibly target crowded areas and that two operatives -- named or code-named Dujana and Ujana -- have already crossed over to Jammu and Kashmir from Pakistan Occupied Kashmir.
The LeT plan came to light after the arrest of a fourth person in connection with its ongoing investigation into a spying racket being run Pakistan-based ISI. The accused - identified as Sabir - was arrested from Jammu on Friday night.
Sabir, a teacher, was taken into custody after Mir, another accused arrested earlier, revealed his name during interrogation.
g.sarkar wrote: I often ask Amreekans about the nationality of the 9/11 perpetrators. They will mention Irak, Iran, even Pak. Never Saudi. Saudi and its royal family is birather.
Gautam
Of the 19 hijakers in 9/11
15 were saudi
2 were from UAE
1 Egyptian
1 Lebanese
I think there was a lone Yemeni there too.
Gautam
PS I checked Chacha, no Yemeni. Stand corrected.
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Wonder how modi / invincible dove will respond.
Pakistan needs to be warned with a demonstration of what will happen if there is a successful terrorist strike against India.
I would recommend that a brahmos simply land on Muridke or Bahawalpur in a specific area, or at Muhammad Saeed's house in lahore.
The problem seems to be that there is a polyclinic and a hostel at the Muridke HQ...
Pakistan's civic infrastructure is so phucked, that the LET muridke polyclinic is probably about the only healthcare outlet in that town.
Gagan wrote:Wonder how modi / invincible dove will respond.
Pakistan needs to be warned with a demonstration of what will happen if there is a successful terrorist strike against India.
I would recommend that a brahmos simply land on Muridke or Bahawalpur in a specific area, or at Muhammad Saeed's house in lahore.
I think they'll focus their attempts on stopping these potential catastrophes from happening.
Good police work though.
I have seen a thousand hindi and english films, where the villian is shot once by the hero, and then ignored and left as such.
The villian slowly gets up and reaches for his gun, while the hero-sahib is caressing the heroine.
Cuffing the villian right away, kicking the gun well away from reach is the right thing to do onlee.
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Saturday denied reports in international and local media claiming that officials from the United States (US) had a meeting with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif regarding the alleged link between Tashfeen Malik - the female shooter in the California rampage - and Lal Masjid and its cleric.
A statement released by the Prime Minister's House said news reports regarding the meeting of a special US envoy with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif in London to discuss the California tragedy are 'baseless' and 'incorrect.'
So, the international media, which reported that Ombaba called Ganja in London and asked him to look into the "Lal Masjid connection" and take action against the radical cleric, was not true; sooner or later, all the "Paki connected sh#t "with this horror, will come out, but as Doc Shiv said, nothing is going to change at least for now, in US policy towards its munna!
Handcuffs on a dead body? Did the catch him and shoot him?
I can see a potential cons-pee-racy theory already in La La Land.
I can picture Luckman or Daanish saying that the whole thing was staged, that the Paki was handcuffed and then shot by Joos to defame Pakistan.
Too bad Zaid Hamied is semi-retired and only waging Teetar Jeehard these days,while his backside recovers.
BTW I have heard this from reliable sources some time ago, but didn't want to post this earlier.
Part of the reason why Zaid Hamid was arrested by KSA was because of a suspicion that he is a Qadiani. His statements in KSA sort of bordered on that, along with other anti saud royal family, and anti KSA and pro-iran statements. I was told that his qadiani favoring statements angered a few people there, who complained to authorities.
And this guy was visiting mecca and medina. KSA prohibits qadianis from visiting these sites.
those who sport 'syed' names usually are slightly 'left' of centre. btw as per hassan nisar, most 'syeds' in pakistan are fake .. but still. Sunnis are not too fond of pbuh lineage as their heroes like Umar, khalid bin walid, abu bakr etc were not too inclined on dynasty and family but were into true democracy etc.
Yaa,
I had thought that the prefix Mohammad kinda suggested that one was sunni,
The prefix Syed, and the suffix/prefix Ali kinda suggested one was shia.
But my indian muslim and Pakistani friends suggest that this is not definitive.
shiv wrote:
Handcuffs on a dead body? Did the catch him and shoot him?
His hands and feet are in the classic position we were taught in the academy to place in. Maybe he is not dead till pronounced dead by MD?
Gautam
The big bloodstain shows a mark suggesting that he has been dragged to one side and possibly turned over from face up to face down towards the right side - that would explain the trailing left leg tipping over and sitting on the right leg. He must have been dead by then to allow that - so why the handcuffs? Very little bleeding has occurred after dragging suggesting that active circulation had stopped by the time he was dragged. It must be a head shot - possibly face. I did not see the SUV in detail - did it have bullet holes? Was he inside? Outside?
g.sarkar wrote:
His hands and feet are in the classic position we were taught in the academy to place in. Maybe he is not dead till pronounced dead by MD?
Gautam
Take 2: Please pardon the digression
Man calls 9-11 and says he was hunting with his partner when the latter seemed to have fallen down and died. Operator asks "Are you sure he's dead". There is a short silence followed by the sound of a gunshot. then the caller says "Now he is"
1 of the injured victims of the #sanbernardino shootings was a Muslim social worker. She was shot multiple times by Farook!
Hmm, I wonder why?
- So that he would not be identified? Surely his beard might be popping out of his mask
- Not green enough now? Guy thought, kill that munafiq - more poisonous than a kafir. Bottom line, he paid special attention to the supposed munafiq and shot more bullets at her.
My theory: If these guys can't kill kafirs, they'll kill munafiqs. And the corollary goes like, "If a munafiq and a kafir get captured by these terrorists together, they'll torture and kill the munafiq first"
shiv wrote:The big bloodstain shows a mark suggesting that he has been dragged to one side and possibly turned over from face up to face down towards the right side - that would explain the trailing left leg tipping over and sitting on the right leg. He must have been dead by then to allow that - so why the handcuffs? Very little bleeding has occurred after dragging suggesting that active circulation had stopped by the time he was dragged. It must be a head shot - possibly face. I did not see the SUV in detail - did it have bullet holes? Was he inside? Outside?
That much bleeding is probably a thorax / mediastinal / neck shot with a jugular / carotid / subclavian blowout onlee.
shiv wrote:The big bloodstain shows a mark suggesting that he has been dragged to one side and possibly turned over from face up to face down towards the right side - that would explain the trailing left leg tipping over and sitting on the right leg. He must have been dead by then to allow that - so why the handcuffs? Very little bleeding has occurred after dragging suggesting that active circulation had stopped by the time he was dragged. It must be a head shot - possibly face. I did not see the SUV in detail - did it have bullet holes? Was he inside? Outside?
That much bleeding is probably a thorax / mediastinal / neck shot with a jugular / carotid / subclavian blowout onlee.
Gagan thorax shots tend to collect in the chest and soak clothes. Headshots exsanguinate due to brain vascularity (2 carotids) I have a video of a 6 inch fountain of blood from a headshot. Will link if I find. In this pic secondary seepage is from head. The direction of dragging is visible in the pic
SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. (Reuters) - Islamic State said on Saturday that a married couple who killed 14 people in California in an attack the FBI is investigating as an "act of terrorism" were followers of the militant group based in Syria and Iraq.
The group's declaration, in an online radio broadcast comes three days after U.S.-born Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and his spouse, Tashfeen Malik, 29, a native of Pakistan, carried out the attack on a holiday party for civil servants in San Bernardino, about 60 miles (100 km) east of Los Angeles.
Now Bakistan will claim these two were not it's citizens since they pledged allegiance to Islamic State and therefore its bears no responsibility for the terrorist attacks.
Foreign minister Sushma Swaraj will travel to Islamabad on December 8 to attend the Heart of Asia security conference being held there, top government sources here confirmed. She will be accompanied by foreign secretary S Jaishankar.
This will be the first significant engagement between the 2 countries since the meeting between PM Narendra Modi and his counterpart Nawaz Sharif in Ufa in July this year as she is expected to call on Sharif and also his adviser on foreign affairs Sartaj Aziz on the sidelines of the conference.
Swaraj will return to India in the evening the next day, making her visit? last not more than 24 hours.
Both these engagements on the sidelines of the Afghanistan conference, according to government sources, will be in the nature of courtesy meetings as Pakistan is the host nation.India will continue? to insist that Pakistan must acknowledge the primacy of the issue of terrorism in bilateral relations.
The government had for a while thought about sending MoS for external affairs V K Singh to Pakistan but after the Modi-Sharif handshake in Paris decided to send Swaraj instead. Swaraj had been invited by Pakistan to attend the conference. Another reason why India found it difficult to ignore the invite was that the same had been extended by Afghanistan too.
Jaishankar, however, is not likely to have a separate meeting with his counterpart Aizaz Ahmed Chaudhary?. While India has insisted, in keeping with what was decided in Ufa, that first the NSAs meet to discuss terrorism, Islamabad has maintained that foreign secretaries too meet almost simultaneously to discuss other outstanding issues, most notably the "core issue" of Kashmir.
Amber G. wrote:
Incidentally, news reports say that the mom was also seen in burqa frequently. What was interesting was when reporters were allowed into his house, they found his mom's expired drivers license from 2009 in there (minus burqa).
CNN was saying that the mother actually lived in the same house, at least for a while. No interview with her as yet. Former FBI guy clearly stated that there was no way close family members could not have known what was going on.
I also feel that the sister probably does NOT wear a Hijab in daily life, but put it on for television. I know many muslims here who do not wear the Hijab to desi events but will put it on when at an 'American' social or other do.
Falijee wrote:
So, the international media, which reported that Ombaba called Ganja in London and asked him to look into the "Lal Masjid connection" and take action against the radical cleric, was not true; sooner or later, all the "Paki connected sh#t "with this horror, will come out, but as Doc Shiv said, nothing is going to change at least for now, in US policy towards its munna!
It was Pakistani media that came up with that story, the question now is, why?
Gagan thorax shots tend to collect in the chest and soak clothes. Headshots exsanguinate due to brain vascularity (2 carotids) I have a video of a 6 inch fountain of blood from a headshot. Will link if I find. In this pic secondary seepage is from head. The direction of dragging is visible in the pic
That's correct. He was wearing a bullet proof vest as well. Blood wouldn't have trailed in that fashion. Entry wound level at or above the zygomatic process likely.
Gagan wrote:...
That much bleeding is probably a thorax / mediastinal / neck shot with a jugular / carotid / subclavian blowout onlee.
Gagan thorax shots tend to collect in the chest and soak clothes. Headshots exsanguinate due to brain vascularity (2 carotids) I have a video of a 6 inch fountain of blood from a headshot. Will link if I find. In this pic secondary seepage is from head. The direction of dragging is visible in the pic
Doc Sa'ab, my guess is that the cops played safe. He was shot and dead, but there was a fear of some suicide IED/belt hence cuffed the hand in clear view and turned him face down just to be sure. That body has definitely been moved / arranged after the shooting.
deejay wrote:
Doc Sa'ab, my guess is that the cops played safe. He was shot and dead, but there was a fear of some suicide IED/belt hence cuffed the hand in clear view and turned him face down just to be sure. That body has definitely been moved / arranged after the shooting.
Likely. The more I think about it, the more "understanding" I feel about the seeming brutality of US police. They are dealing with a population armed to the teeth and generally very well versed with facts like how and where to shoot to stop/kill in one shot
