Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2015

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 05 Dec 2015 20:41

Guptaji, I feel the Lal Masjid angle is being brought forward to justify action against the cleric managing that place who has a running feud with the army, and to show if army is in charge that cleric will be brought to justice. IOW, leverage american anger over this heinous incident to advance PA interests, maybe a coup which will not be welcomed in DC under present conditions

member_29218 · Post by **member_29218** » 05 Dec 2015 21:00

Paul wrote:It can be seen from the posts of US based forumites on the shootings that most are still either in 1) shock and awe 2) denial 3) do not understand 4) do not want to point out shortcomings in US approach for fear of the FBI visiting their house

and hence do not point out the inability of current US thinking in coming to grips with the Islamic scourge. ...............

Sorry, must disagree. Perhaps a few, yes. This applies more to the average American and not a BRFite (whatever that means). I have to admit, this is the first time since 9/11 that I feel the anger I did on that fateful day when several members of my family had a narrow escape themselves and some friends did not.

Yes, my blood has been boiling for a long time now, at the horrors perpetrated by the Jihadists around the world, particularly in my pitrabhumi and now it seems that my karmabhumi is under attack again. So yes, I am very upset. But by no means am I in denial or unaware of the global Jihad.

I have spent the last 23 yrs, from Dec 6 1992, in educating myself and those around me. You know what is the hardest thing to do? To convince your own near and dear!

If a sadak chaap Pakistan is leading Amrika around the ring by holding its nose ring what does it say about Amrikan staregic thinking. It is just sheer arrogance and it percolates from Hillary Clinton to the average joe on the street.

Coming back to the USA, the change if it comes has to come from the street level level which will force the Washington elites/SD/Pentagon to change their strategy and come to a more comprehensive assessment.

Incidents like the San Bernardino shootings will help but at this pace by the time people wake M pop will reach 20% of the population and will take painful chemotherapy to weed this scourge out.

It is wrong to assume that there are no thinkers left in America or that people here have no clue. I have plenty of books written by the likes of Craig Unger, Steve Coll, Adrian Levy, Gretchen Peters, Susan Lindauer, Michael Ruppert, Carlotta Gall and many others - it is a long list - and some are real shockers. Yes, the polity turns a blind eye and looks only for short-term gain, Rummy will be chummy with Saddam when it suits him and then realize what a blunder it was, just like so many others in the past. They will never learn or choose not to, no different from those running the show in India.

I've often joked, the politicians in India are mostly criminals while those in America are lawyers and there does not seem to be any difference in the end result!

The problem is that the opinions of the thinkers have just about as much effect, as my old friend here is fond of saying, as 'a fart in a hurricane'.

I think Islamists will first set up base in a more hospitable clime like Canada to advance their operations in North America. Remember reading that justification for AQ to relocate to Afghanistan before 9/11 was to set up a base where only the Momeen could commiserate with each other before setting out to take on the Kaffir. For North America this base could be Canada.

This part I agree with. In all the years I've lived in New York, I've never seen a burqa clad woman on the streets. In a hospital visiting family, yes, but never shopping in a mall or simply walking down the streets of the city. A few years after 9/11 I was in Toronto and I was shocked to find such sights to be pretty common. We went to a local lakeshore park and there must have been a hundred or more muslim families with women and children having a barbecue and picnic. Most of the women were in burqas. For a moment I thought I was in Pakistan and not Canada.

Pradeep

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Dec 2015 21:02

A_Gupta wrote: I found this from lesson 11. interesting, I wonder how it affects soldiers on the battle field?
The vast majority of the 198 officers thus far interviewed reported experiencing tunnel vision, diminished hearing, or both at some time during the incidents they related to the interviewer. Because officers typically do not process visual and auditory information during shootings as they normally would, it is important to realize in the immediate wake of gunfire that officers might not have all the relevant information that will permit them to invoke the appropriate postshooting safety procedures. What this suggests is that officers should consider taking a moment or two to assess the state of their vision and hearing before they move on to dealing with downed suspects. If they do not, officers might miss some information that is critical to the task of safely dealing with the immediate aftermath of a shooting.

OT here. I have a couple of books on the subject of the soldier in battle although I probably need to re read and revise my memory.

Police shooting situations are probably quite different. War scenarios generally speak of soldiers mostly not being able to see the enemy and not knowing what they are shooting at and where shots are coming from. I guess this is almost never the case for police shootouts. The police are shooting at a visible subject at relatively close range. Of course muzzle flash and gunshot will both lead to visual and auditory impairment for a short while.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 05 Dec 2015 21:03

No meeting with US envoy over California shooter's links to Lal Masjid: PM House- YAWN

PM Nawaz calls on CM Shahbaz in London, vow to end terrorism-DAILY PAKHANISTAN

Wow! Ganja is "heavily dependant" on the "clever brother" to pull him out of this "Royal Mess" (PM Nawaz calls on CM Shahbaz)

Both leaders met in the aftermath of a shooting incident(what an euphemism ) in California which killed 14 people.
A mutual decision to quicken action against terrorism was made in the meeting.
It is learnt that the decision was made after a US special representative met with PM Nawaz and delivered US President Barack Obama’s message informing Nawaz of California shooter’s links with Pakistan’s Lal Masjid and the Islamic State.
Obama has demanded Pakistan to conduct strict operation against extremist elements in the country especially in Islamabad.
Pakistan’s Embassy in US has severely condemned the shooting in California.

No meeting with US Envoy... PM House- YAWN
... the decision was made after a US representative met with PM Nawaz and delivered... DAILY PAKHANISTAN

Guess the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing

It is high time that the Pakis appoint a full time Foreign Minister, to at least take care of DAMAGE CONTROL

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 Dec 2015 21:11

The problem with being hardline, is that the whole system of government has to be on board to carry it through.
It is inherently not possible in a democracy.

Leaders - elected PMs and Presidents are acutely aware of this shortcoming, and so don't bite off more than what can be chewed by their government. They don't say hardline things, they don't promise things, they know their system won't be able to carry through.

It is easy to do some showbazi aerial bombing as some countries are doing in the Levant, but another thing to fight a sustained battle involving intel / covert op / intimidation / military action / political approach / de-radicalization.

The current GOI understands this and is trying to put some of the above in action.
If the US elects a Turner lead GOTUS, we might have to see him walk the talk. IMHO, the US has a very good understanding of the haramigiri that Islamist terrorism / jihadism / bigotry emcompasses.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 05 Dec 2015 21:36

Successor To Taliban Leader -Mullah Omar- Is Reported Dead
Mullah Haibatullah appointed as Taliban’s acting supreme leader

KABUL – Mullah Haibatullah has been nominated as new Taliban supreme leader after the reportedly killing of Mullah Akhtar Mansour, the Afghan media reported while quoting an unidentified source close to the militant movement.
Mansour was reportedly killed during a shootout between Taliban leaders during a meeting near Quetta city last week. But the militia has rejected the claim as fabricated. The firefight that took place in Kachlak has been confirmed by Afghan official Sultan Faizi. A former governor and Taliban official Mullah Abdullah Sarhadi and five others were also killed in the gunfire exchange.
Requesting not to be named, the ‘source’ said that Haibatullah had been appointed as Mansour’s successor at an emergency meeting attended by senior militant leaders. It said that the Taliban had informed all shadow governors, district chiefs and ‘commanders’ that Mansour would take up to eight months to recovery from his injuries, and that Haibatullah would serve as acting leader of the militia.
Mansour’s death is being kept under wraps, as its confirmation could undermine the movement’s morale, according to the Afghan media, who believed the Taliban were unlikely to make a public announcement in this regard. On the other hand, Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid denied Haibatullah’s appointment as the movement’s acting head.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 05 Dec 2015 21:40

JE Menon wrote:Seems like a forced marriage to me, not just arranged. Someone fu(ked up this Rizwan dude. If the parents were estranged, who sorted things out. He was just a channel and useful idiot. There's a gamer behind this Shyte and he's sitting in Pindi.

Pakis marrying a citizen of a secular democracy for the sole purpose of gaining entry and set up as sleeper terrorists is a known modus operandi. Apparently there are many cases like that in Old City of Hyderabad.

It is unusual to have the woman being the sleeper, but that is what seems to have happened in the San Bernardino case. The man in this case being the mard, took an active partnership role, instead of (I am guessing) playing a more passive role behind the scenes.

The puzzle is to reconcile the planning (handing over baby to grandmother and lying about a doctor's appointment, in addition of course to the obvious long term preparation for fedayeen operation by infiltration and weapons organization--btw who is the purchaser of the guns, someone "cleared" of involvement by the FBI IIRC? ) with the choice of target--a services office of belonging to the San Bernardino county, (the unglamorous "poor cousin" of neighboring high-profile Los Angeles), which just happens to be the husband's work place--suggesting impulsive or opportunistic action.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 05 Dec 2015 21:45

Noose Tightens Around Altaf Bhai
Govt registers Dr Farooq’s murder case against MQM chief, six others

ISLAMABAD –The government on Saturday registered a murder case of Dr Imran Farooq against Altaf Hussain, a London-based leader of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), and other leaders of the party.

MQM chief Altaf Hussain has also been living in self-imposed exile in Britain for over two decades.The news came as polling in Karachi for local government elections was under way, with MQM as a strong contender. Reacting to the development, MQM leader Khalid Maqbool Siddiqui questioned the timing of the case, and said that it was an attempt to malign the MQM.
“Our voters will clearly know the intention behind such a decision by the government. MQM workers will not be deterred by such baseless allegations,” he said.

Dus Percenti's Number will be coming up soon, and a scenario of Pakjabis vs the rest, under the auspices of the Paki Fauj, will be the setting for the future

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 05 Dec 2015 22:11

shiv wrote:The big bloodstain shows a mark suggesting that he has been dragged to one side and possibly turned over from face up to face down towards the right side - that would explain the trailing left leg tipping over and sitting on the right leg. He must have been dead by then to allow that - so why the handcuffs? Very little bleeding has occurred after dragging suggesting that active circulation had stopped by the time he was dragged. It must be a head shot - possibly face. I did not see the SUV in detail - did it have bullet holes? Was he inside? Outside?

The SUV was shot up with the two inside. Hear the shots being fired:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/12 ... black-suv/

Hands to the back and then cuffed, head turned to the side for easier breathing, and legs crossed is the classic pose that we were taught. Then we tell them "medics are coming, relax", step back and watch the scene carefully in case there is further trouble. The legs are crossed because even with hands cuffed they can run. In this pose, it is not easy to get up and run. With the amount of blood all over, I do not expect that Farook crossed his legs by himself so neatly. Someone must have crossed his legs after he was cuffed. All this could have been done by the police as a force of habit with no conscious decision, remember when so many shots were fired by both sides, the Police were under a lot of stress and training took over. Cuffing him after he was hit so many times was perhaps automatic.
Gautam

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 05 Dec 2015 22:19

Falijee wrote: It is high time that the Pakis appoint a full time Foreign Minister, to at least take care of DAMAGE CONTROL

They are too busy officially complaining that US Media -- "despite being told by the family attorney that Malik ALWAYS wore a burka" -- is showing a Paki Female's face without any burqua. They are showing NO respect to Paki H&D.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 05 Dec 2015 22:29

Paul wrote:Guptaji, I feel the Lal Masjid angle is being brought forward to justify action against the cleric managing that place who has a running feud with the army, and to show if army is in charge that cleric will be brought to justice. IOW, leverage american anger over this heinous incident to advance PA interests, maybe a coup which will not be welcomed in DC under present conditions

True, but why put out a lie that will be debunked within the next news-cycle?
Should we just put this down to Pakistaniyat?

member_29218 · Post by **member_29218** » 05 Dec 2015 22:31

CNN is now interviewing local muslims who were at the same mosque and a piskologist who are all claiming that Farooki 'married a terrorist'. The Piskologist is even saying that he was an American with an American culture whereas she was a Pakistani.

Expect everyone to go back to business as usual, now that local born muslims are cleared of being radicals. This makes life so much easier for the politicians, no difficult questions, no difficult policies to implement and no more trouble with CAIR.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 05 Dec 2015 22:37

^^^Haseem Said, BTW is a Al jazeera's producer..
When some one twitted him back a picture of Paki without showing of her face (A graphic picture of Paki she was killed in a shootout Wednesday<link>) and Said got hammered ..Said Miyan became victim himself.../Disgust/

-- “Why does this always happen to me on a Friday?”

Said then claimed innocent intentions:

“To everyone who is offended: I apologize for not being more clear. I meant it could be offensive to the family.. 1/2″

“..and even if you don’t agree, that’s fine. But the family isn’t on trial here. Apologies for any offense given though. 2/2″

And finally, Said claimed he didn’t really care at all:

“To clarify, I’m not “offended” that her picture is being disseminated, and it’s not a “priority” of mine. Not sure where people got this.”

Link: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/12 ... out-burka/

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 05 Dec 2015 22:46

^^Even if debunked for a coup, US will approve using this disinformation being put to use within Pakistan. Prevent another lal masjid fiasco in the heart of Pakistan and cleaning potential ISIS/TTP supporterseast of the Indus.

IOW this means extending Zarb-e-Shorba to Islamabad thus making Raheel more indispensible than ever.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 05 Dec 2015 22:50

Guys, now that TSP has become a focus, I am going to puke my gut out if I start hearing US officials say "Both India & TSP are on our side against ISIS", and TSP is valuable ally against ISIS and crap like that. The other day there was that shudh TFTA Ashraf Jehangir Qasi in cuddly cuddly dialogue with his pal thappad saying pretty much the same thing, "both of us" are part of the "international coalition against terror" and we must make piss; nothing about TSP sponsored ISIS-like terror against India.

Abhay_S · Post by **Abhay_S** » 05 Dec 2015 22:54

Primus wrote:CNN is now interviewing local muslims who were at the same mosque and a piskologist who are all claiming that Farooki 'married a terrorist'. The Piskologist is even saying that he was an American with an American culture whereas she was a Pakistani.

Expect everyone to go back to business as usual, now that local born muslims are cleared of being radicals. This makes life so much easier for the politicians, no difficult questions, no difficult policies to implement and no more trouble with CAIR.

So they are pinning the blame on Paki instead of the whole yummah

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 05 Dec 2015 22:54

wow...looks like AmberG ji and I were working on the same photo at the same time...my post in US dhaga was at 11:03 vs AmberG ji's post here at 11:07 (diff of 4 mins)

Ashokk · Post by **Ashokk** » 05 Dec 2015 23:40

Pakistan denies travel to Indian diplomat, no Indian mission stall at Saarc fair

LAHORE: An Indian High Commission diplomat was denied permission to travel to Lahore to set up the mission's stall at the ongoing Saarc Trade Fair where all the other Saarc nations have their representation.

The Pakistan Foreign Office had invited the Indian High Commission like other missions of Saarc countries to put up a stall at the 12th Saarc Trade Fair inaugurated by Pakistan's commerce minister Khurram Dastagir Khan yesterday.

Over 50 Indian traders are participating in the fair, which is being held in Lahore from December 4-6.

Diplomatic missions of all Saarc nations were given space for putting up their respective stalls at the the fair.

However, the chief coordinator from the Indian High Commission was not given permission to travel from Islamabad to Lahore. Therefore, India is the only country whose mission does not have representation at the fair, sources here said.

The Indian mission is planning to raise the issue with the Pakistan Foreign Office which is coordinating the fair.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 05 Dec 2015 23:49

Pakis Playing HardBall- Deny Indian Diplomat Permission To Travel For Saarc Fair

AHORE: An Indian High Commission diplomat was denied permission to travel to Lahore to set up the mission's stall at the ongoing Saarc Trade Fair where all the other Saarc nations have their representation.
The Pakistan Foreign Office had invited the Indian High Commission like other missions of Saarc countries to put up a stall at the 12th Saarc Trade Fair inaugurated by Pakistan's commerce minister Khurram Dastagir Khan yesterday.

The Indian mission is planning to raise the issue with the Pakistan Foreign Office which is coordinating the fair.

Pretty sure"Enchendee factor " is involved

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 05 Dec 2015 23:51

Little people with a little power often have the need to flaunt it, because that is the only thing they can do to assure themselves of their importance.

Bakis are no different.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 05 Dec 2015 23:59

http://nation.com.pk/blogs/05-Dec-2015/ ... erspective
How Balochistan became a part of Pakistan – a historical perspective

This resulted in a communique on August 11, 1947, which stated that:
a. The Government of Pakistan recognizes Kalat as an independent sovereign state in treaty relations with the British Government with a status different from that of Indian States.
b. Legal opinion will be sought as to whether or not agreements of leases will be inherited by the Pakistan Government.
c. Meanwhile, a Standstill Agreement has been made between Pakistan and Kalat. ( Jinnah's old Trick)
d. Discussions will take place between Pakistan and Kalat at Karachi at an early date with a view to reaching decisions on Defence, External Affairs and Communications.

Referring to a telegram of October 17, 1947 from Grafftey-Smith, the Political Department, in a note on Pakistan-Kalat negotiations, says that Jinnah had second thoughts regarding the recognition of Kalat as an independent sovereign state, and was now desirous of obtaining its accession in the same form as was accepted by other rulers who joined Pakistan. The same note mentioned that an interesting situation is developing as Pakistan might accept the accession of Kalat’s two feudatories, Lasbela and Kharan.By October 1947, Quaid-i-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah had a change of heart on the recognition of Kalat as an “Independent and a Sovereign State”, and wanted the Khan to sign the same form of instrument of accession as the other states which had joined Pakistan. The Khan was unwilling to abandon the nominally achieved independent status but ready to concede on defence, foreign affairs and communications. However, he was unwilling to sign either a treaty or an Instrument, until and unless he had got a satisfactory agreement on the leased areas. Fears were also being voiced that officials of the Government of Pakistan might start dealing with the two feudatories of Las Bela and Kharan, and accept their de facto accession.By February 1948, the discussions between Kalat and the Government of Pakistan were coming to a head. The Quaid wrote to the Khan of Kalat: “I advise you to join Pakistan without further delay…and let me have your final reply which you promised to do after your stay with me in Karachi when we fully discussed the whole question in all its aspects.” On February 15, 1948, Jinnah visited Sibi, Baluchistan and addressed a Royal Durbar, where he announced that until the Pakistan Constitution is finally written in about two years’ time, he would govern the province with the help of an advisory council that he would nominate. However, the main reason for Jinnah’s visit was to persuade the Khan of Kalat to accede to Pakistan. As it transpired, the Khan failed to turn up for the final meeting with him, pleading illness. In his letter to Jinnah, he said that he had summoned both Houses of the Parliament, Dar-ul-Umara and Dar-ul-Awam, for their opinion about the future relations with the Dominion of Pakistan, and he would inform him about their opinion by the end of the month.
When the Dar-ul-Awam of Kalat met on February 21, 1948, it decided not to accede, but to negotiate a treaty to determine Kalat’s future relations with Pakistan. On March 9, 1948 the Khan received communication from JInnah announcing that he had decided not to deal personally with the Kalat state negotiations, which would henceforth be dealt with by the Pakistan Government. So far there had not been any formal negotiations but only an informal request made by Jinnah to the Khan at Sibi.The US Ambassador to Pakistan in his dispatch home on March 23, 1948 informed that on March 18, “Kharan, Lasbela and Mekran, feudatory states of Kalat” had acceded to Pakistan. The Khan of Kalat objected to their accession, arguing that it was a violation of Kalat’s Standstill Agreement with Pakistan. He also said that while Kharan and Lasbela were its feudatories, Mekran was a district of Kalat. The British Government had placed the control of the foreign policy of the two feudatories under Kalat in July 1947, prior to partition.

On March 26, 1948, the Pakistan Army was ordered to move into the Baloch coastal region of Pasni, Jiwani and Turbat. This was the first act of aggression prior to the march on Kalat by a Pakistani military detachment on April 1, 1948. Kalat capitulated on March 27 after the army moved into the coastal region and it was announced in Karachi that the Khan of Kalat has agreed to merge his state with Pakistan. Jinnah accepted this accession under the gun. It should be noted that the Balochistan Assembly had already rejected any suggestion of forfeiting the independence of Balochistan on any pretext. So even the signature of the Khan of Kalat taken under the barrel of the gun, was not viable, because the parliament had rejected the accession and the accession was never mandated by the British Empire either, who had given Balochistan under Kalat independence before India. The sovereign Baloch state after British withdrawal from India lasted only 227 days. During this time Baluchistan had a flag flying in its embassy in Karachi where its ambassador to Pakistan lived.
The true history of Balochistan is never shared or talked about among the general public of Pakistan. Our textbooks and other publications narrate a rhetoric which is far from the truth, and which has made the general public believe in a lie. It is the responsibility of the intellectuals, the teachers and the professors to learn and reveal the real facts according to non-tempered historical documents.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 06 Dec 2015 00:09

LokeshC wrote:Little people with a little power often have the need to flaunt it, because that is the only thing they can do to assure themselves of their importance.

Bakis are no different.

During the terror attacks in France, there was another in Mali. I was wondering how come the common people remain unaware of contribution from India (cheap medicines, UN policing, etc); and then whether the terrorists are deliberately made to ignore anything other than ideologies, and then who all eat away all the credit coming to India and to Indians.

Pakis are like the ISIL in Mali, a far-neighbor who would rather smuggle in goods from India via Dubai. Typical thugs and smugglers do this too, flaunting powers unknowingly and trying to save H&D all the time.

There is one good way to treat Pakis which is to route the goods via Afghanistan or any other nation that can put an end to smuggling any time as well. It would also integrate Afghan economy more with India without Paki deviance.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 06 Dec 2015 00:50

X-posting from the India-US thread:

What was suspicious was his bank statement. It showed he had $63,735.36 in his bank account and a couple of recent Western Union money transfers to it.
See after about 1:35 in this video.

Kinda large amount to have for a guy known to make $51k a year + 20k from other job.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 06 Dec 2015 02:25

OMG.Just realized something but... I don't see any newspapers or even brf posts (from what I can see) made any connection to UC Merced incident (in California) just a few weeks ago!!!

In both cases a Paki ( Faisal Mohammad) with connection to worst terrorist links ..gets killed after wounding others...

For those who do not know, check out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universit ... ing_attack

(Or any news clippings of that time.. and re-read it)

It looked funny even then when they were saying ..."in spite of mentioning al**a several times, in his manifesto, having ISIS flags, talking about kafirs"... "there was nothing unusual or terrorist link for him ... the fact he was Paki... not far from this incident .. and by sheer luck was killed before he could do more damage.. did not make too much of headlines...

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 06 Dec 2015 02:46

^^^ Typical headlines from that incident...
(In spite of messages like "May A*** accept (the umda-khad)".. they did not find any evidence that he was "radical"..)
Manifesto Found – California Authorities Still Don’t Know Motive, But For Some Reason He Did Praise Allah…

MERCED, Calif. (KGO) — UC Merced Chancellor Dorothy Leland says personal animosities, not a political agenda, motivated 18-year-old Faisal Mohammad from Santa Clara in Wednesday’s multiple stabbings on the school’s campus. Authorities say the stabbing of four people at UC Merced was not related to terrorism.

The Merced County Sheriff’s Office said the coroner was performing an autopsy and found the suspects manifesto on him.

There is a post by Arun (here) about UC incident which was sort of under radar for most US papers... this post has reference to Faisal being a Pakistani, etc..I find it very strange that " community" finds lawyers and family spokesperson almost right-away to tell us their victimhood story..."us born" and no connection to terrorism story.

deWalker · Post by **deWalker** » 06 Dec 2015 04:38

Pakis have this to look forward to from CPEC!

In Nigeria, Chinese Investment Comes With a Downside

At least Nigeria has oil. Pakis can donate all those hides from Bakr-Id celebrations to JuD since CPEC will shut down their leather industry. More fun with Kuffars for all those unemployed cousin-bangers!

BTW, another chance to remind the retards: Pakis are #1 in the cousin-banging scorecard - estimated 70% of all marriages are to cousins according to Wiki article: Cousin Marriage How many generations of cousin marriage does it take to reduce the whole population to imbeciles?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 06 Dec 2015 06:17

Mullah Mansoor, has released an audio tape saying that he is alive.
He says that the Afghan government is spreading rumours.
http://www.zemtv.com/2015/12/06/mulla-m ... ropaganda/

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 06 Dec 2015 06:35

Meanwhile US papers are getting caught-up and putting some more info. and other links are being published...
for example:

The area in Punjab where she [Tashfeen Malik] spent her early years and later went to university is a “recruitment ground” and stronghold of Islamist groups with ties to al Qaeda, said Husain Haqqani, a former Pakistani ambassador to the United States. Among the militant groups with a presence there is Lashkar-e-Taiba, which has been blamed for the November 2008 killing spree in the Indian financial capital of Mumbai.

and.

A Facebook profile established under an alias by Malik was removed by the company for violating its community standards, which prohibit praise or promotion of “acts of terror," a spokesman said on Friday.

While some whining is also being reported... which is unbelievably paki ..
Muslim leaders outraged at LA supervisor: He asked if San Bernardino killer was ‘Muhammad’

Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael Antonovich is in trouble with Muslim community leaders over a comment he made in the aftermath of the San Bernardino County massacre.

In a speech to constituents after the shooting, Antonovich said, “The first thing I asked about this incident, was the guy named Muhammad?”

It upset some people who said it unfairly singled out Muslims over other perpetrators of mass shootings.
....Muslims are fearful of backlash stemming from the attack.

“
We are a victim too. Every time something happens, we are another victim,
” he said.

<snip>

milano · Post by **milano** » 06 Dec 2015 08:51

Falijee wrote:No meeting with US envoy over California shooter's links to Lal Masjid: PM House- YAWN

PM Nawaz calls on CM Shahbaz in London, vow to end terrorism-DAILY PAKHANISTAN

Wow! Ganja is "heavily dependant" on the "clever brother" to pull him out of this "Royal Mess" (PM Nawaz calls on CM Shahbaz)
Both leaders met in the aftermath of a shooting incident(what an euphemism ) in California which killed 14 people.
A mutual decision to quicken action against terrorism was made in the meeting.
It is learnt that the decision was made after a US special representative met with PM Nawaz and delivered US President Barack Obama’s message informing Nawaz of California shooter’s links with Pakistan’s Lal Masjid and the Islamic State.
Obama has demanded Pakistan to conduct strict operation against extremist elements in the country especially in Islamabad.
Pakistan’s Embassy in US has severely condemned the shooting in California.
No meeting with US Envoy... PM House- YAWN
... the decision was made after a US representative met with PM Nawaz and delivered... DAILY PAKHANISTAN

Guess the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing
It is high time that the Pakis appoint a full time Foreign Minister, to at least take care of DAMAGE CONTROL

These recent events prompted me to take a little trip down memory lane, when Faizal Shahzad tried to do a mass casualty event in NYC. Madam Clinton warned of dire consequences if a future successful event were ever traced back to Pakistan. This is the sort of event I'm sure she was referring to. I somehow feel that not much will happen since the ISIS angle is more prominent and the Burqa Babe was pretty much a naturalized American who went through US security checks. Perhaps another run at the Lal Masjid by the Faujis, to placate the Americans, more gratuitous moaning about Pakistan being the biggest victim of terrorism, and then life will be calm again: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8669512.stm

arun · Post by **arun** » 06 Dec 2015 09:24

X Posted from the Pakistani Role In Global Terrorism thread.

The deadly link between San Bernardino and Pakistan

The link between California shooters and Pakistan has once again highlighted the danger the country poses as a terror exporter. US-based Islamism expert Arif Jamal tells DW why Washington can no longer ignore the threat.:

Deutsche Welle

Female Mohammadden Terrorist Tashfeen Malik turns out not only being linked to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s former Punjab Province Minister Ahmed Ali Aulak and radical Mohammadden Cleric of Islamabad’s Lal Masjid, Maulana Abdul Aziz, but this article reveals that her family members were linked to Sunni Mohammadden terrorist group specialising in exterminating Shia Mohammaddens, the Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat aka ASWJ which was formerly known as Sipah-e-Sahaba.

Attempts to downplay role of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in the Mohammadden religion based radicalisation of Tashfeen Malik by palming of the role to Saudi Arabia should be treated with circumspection:

Pakistani in California shooting became hardline in S.Arabia-relatives

Meanwhile the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Deep State is claiming that Tasfeen Malik has no link to Ahmed Ali Aulak, Maulana Abdul Aziz or Bahauddin Zakariya University. The Islamic Republic’s position is that “The action of the pair (Tashfeen and her husband) appears to be a ‘lone wolf attack’ which is either self-motivated or carried out taking self-inspiration from some radicals. We could not establish any direct or indirect connection of Tashfeen with any extremist individual or group. The only fact that has come out so far is that she did hold a Pakistani passport.”:

Investigators reject claims Tashfeen had militant contacts in Pakistan

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 06 Dec 2015 10:04

Lal Masjid cleric denies links with California shooter

ISLAMABAD:
While condemning the massacre in San Bernardino, California, Lal Masjid cleric Maulana Abdul Aziz on Saturday denied any links with Tashfeen Malik, the woman identified as the female shooter.
While expressing sadness with the killings at a social services centre in California, the cleric said that “Islam does not permit attacks on innocent people.” Aziz said that he had also condemned the Paris attacks but was still being presented as a terrorist or a terrorist-sympathiser in the media.

This radical cleric has suddenly made an about -turn and now depicts himself as a peace- nik; taqqiya in action !

“I swear, I do not know Tashfeen Malik and have never been photographed with her,” he said in a statement issued on Saturday. “I have never even been photographed with my wife and daughters. How can you imagine me being photographed with a na-mahram (woman who is not related to me),” he asked.

Even his Deep State supporters may not be able to shield him this time ! By the way, is swearing sanctioned by the Book?

He said women sometimes come to him asking for advice, but he usually cannot recognise them because most come wearing face veils. He added that this would be the only way he could have possibly have had any interaction with Malik.
Umme Hassan, Aziz’s wife and the principal of the Jamia Hafsa seminary, also supported her husband, saying he rarely gives interview to female journalists, and whenever he did give one, Hasan or one of their daughters would sit in the room with Aziz. (as "required by the Book?)
“I can say with complete assurance that Malik… never took a photograph with him,” she said.

Foreign media had reported that US officials handed information to Pakistan about links between Malik and Lal Masjid. The PM house has since denied any receiving any such information.
Malik and her American-born husband, Rizwan Farook, burst into a year-end party in San Bernardino, California on Wednesday afternoon and opened fire at Farook’s co-workers, killing 14 and wounding 21.
They were later shot dead by the police after a gun battle.

The tone of this "interview" is 360 degrees different from his fiery speeches of a few days ago; maybe, his Deep State handlers have asked him to lay low for the time being, until the storm passes away and things are back to normal. But, if US Intel documentary proof is kosher, they want this "gentleman",at least behind bars; this is again going to create a firestorm among his supporters

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 06 Dec 2015 16:01

NDTV - NSAs of India Pak have met in Bangkok. Matter decided by Modi-Sharif in Paris. Discussion held in cordial, constructive atmosphere of terror, J&K and security issues.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Dec 2015 16:11

Possibility of US-Pakistan nuke deal needs scrutiny: US lawmaker - PTI

The possibility of a civil nuclear deal between the US and Pakistan needs close scrutiny because of Pakistan's close links with terror groups and a "long history of proliferation" of sensitive nuclear technology, an influential American lawmaker has said.

"Despite quick official denials, the possibility of nuclear cooperation with Pakistan requires serious examination. Pakistan has a long history of proliferating sensitive nuclear technology and material to some of the worst global actors, including Iran and North Korea.

"Pakistan also maintains ties with various terrorist groups such as the Haqqani Network and the Taliban that have a history of killing US troops," Congressman Ted Poe, Chairman of the House Foreign Affair's Subcommittee on Terrorism, Non-proliferation and Trade said yesterday.

"These grave concerns coupled with Pakistan's dangerously unrestricted nuclear weapons program raise serious questions regarding nuclear cooperation between Washington and Islamabad," he said.

Poe, has convened a Congressional hearing on media reports in October which suggested that the Obama Administration was exploring ways to begin negotiations with Pakistan over a civil nuclear cooperation agreement.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 06 Dec 2015 16:58

NSA meet in Bangkok, I think ground is being set for Modi visit to Islamabad for SAARC summit in Feb.

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 06 Dec 2015 20:17

Paul wrote:NSA meet in Bangkok, I think ground is being set for Modi visit to Islamabad for SAARC summit in Feb.

The new Paki NSA Genera Janjua is a military man through and through - is this a good or bad thing for NSA level talks?

salaam · Post by **salaam** » 06 Dec 2015 20:19

NSA Bangkok meet joint press release.
https://mobile.twitter.com/meaindia/sta ... 1384420352

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Dec 2015 20:37

sunnyP wrote:
The new Paki NSA Genera Janjua is a military man through and through - is this a good or bad thing for NSA level talks?

Neither. Is "military man through and through" your conclusion? He may be a corrupt terroristic asshole like most Paki military senior men

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 06 Dec 2015 21:12

How the Pakistani Lady Terrorist Entered U.S.A

WASHINGTON: She was so private and conservative that there are no photographs of her even though she operated a Facebook account under a false name. Even her in-laws never saw her outside a full-faced orthodox burka. And nursing a newborn infant at home didn't stop her from stocking up an arsenal at home, under cover and possibly with help from a husband, who she knew, always been interested in shooting and weapons, and who she likely radicalized.

The Mailsi concept of Taqiya in action.

...The Pakistani media is also reporting that US officials have found Tashfeen had ties to clerics of the Lal Masjid in Islamabad, an extremist hub that was attacked during the Musharraf regime resulting in scores of casualties, including many women, and an eruption in extremist anger.

Ever since this horrific act, this radical mullah has done an about face and denied his association with the lady terrorist, outwardly condemned this - probably on the orders of his sponsors/ supporters in the Deep State; doubt that the Amerikhans will "buy" this version; remains to be seen what pressure they can put on the real powers- to- be in Pakiland .

Meanwhile, US investigators are starting to piece together the sequence of events that allowed Tashfeen Malik to infiltrate the United States through a route that is used by thousands of singles every year who get engaged to US citizens.

Doubt that the Homeland Security Dept did the due diligence that was probably required in this case, considering her long stay in the HQ of world terrorism ie S.A. She may also have used "sifarish" in Isloo to speed up the paperwork, considering that her family in Pakistan has political connections.

Meanwhile, it transpires that Tashleen's father Malik Gulzar Aulkah also moved to the United States. It is not known if she had anything to do with his emigration.

There were earlier press reports that the elder Malik has now "adopted" the Wahabi version of Mailsi from his long stay in the Desert Kingdom. It will be interesting to know how he was also able to enter US so easily and so quick;maybe, he also used the Safarish channel in Isloo to get the papers; lots of unanswered questions

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 06 Dec 2015 22:24

sunnyP wrote:
Paul wrote:NSA meet in Bangkok, I think ground is being set for Modi visit to Islamabad for SAARC summit in Feb.
The new Paki NSA Genera Janjua is a military man through and through - is this a good or bad thing for NSA level talks?

It doesn't matter one way. But its interesting this meeting even took place, a climb-down of sorts for TSP after talking tough post Ufa. But true to form, TSP would have flushed down the toilet, all terror evidence presented by India, and in turn TSP would have presented some bogus crap of their own. Their goal as we all know is to get India to talk Kashmir where they put their demands: withdrawal of troops etc on the table. Sadly, we have PDP, NC, Cong, and other traitors on our side who will welcome this.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 06 Dec 2015 22:35

Five takeaways from the meeting of India, Pakistan NSAs in Bangkok

NEW DELHI: India and Pakistan continue to have the power to surprise. Just when it appeared that the Narendra Modi government may have lost the narrative on Pakistan, the two governments managed to stop the slip sliding away of the bilateral relationship. The four-hour meeting in Bangkok on Sunday was fixed on Thursday.

Foreign secretary S Jaishankar joined NSA Ajit Doval on his return journey from Tokyo where he went to work on the India-Japan nuclear deal before Abe's visit here later this week

There are five takeaways from the Bangkok meeting of the national security advisers Ajit Doval and Nasir Janjua, and foreign secretaries, S Jaishankar and Aizaz Ahmed:

First, both countries are done with their grandstanding, and after months of harsh rhetoric and a diplomatic sulk, they have come to the conclusion that engagement is the better part of valour. After a joint statement in Ufa which was rejected in Pakistan and started a bitter exchange on whether to hold NSA talks first, or foreign secretaries talks on the now discarded composite dialogue. The end was unnecessarily painful, aggravated by intense media pressure. It seemed India and Pakistan would go nowhere in the foreseeable future. The meeting in Paris between Narendra Modi and Nawaz Sharif, more scripted than an impromptu chat directed officials to continue the momentum by getting the official meetings under way before the week was out.

Second, both countries climbed down to make this happen. India needed talks to be on terrorism, which it was. Doval and Janjua discussed all aspects of terror and instability, including looking at the Kashmir issue from the terror angle. On the other hand, India gave in to a Pakistani demand to hold simultaneous foreign secretary-level talks on Kashmir. If after Ufa elements in the Indian side believed they could hold talks with Pakistan on terrorism without Kashmir, they no longer believe it. On Pakistan's side, they made up for their oversight in Ufa, but gave in to India's insistence on talks on terrorism.

Third, meeting in Bangkok overcomes the Hurriyat hurdle. The Pakistanis are spared the pressure of meeting the separatists and the Indians are spared the necessity of shutting that down.

Fourth,a third country keeps an intrusive, polarized and high decibel sub-continental media at bay. Over the years, successive Indian and Pakistani governments have blamed the media for vitiating the atmosphere and making things difficult for them. Through 2004-2007, back channel talks between Indian and Pak special envoys were held in Bangkok, Dubai etc worked only because they were quiet. Modi government has taken this further by holding official talks outside. In fact, in July, as Modi landed back in Delhi after Ufa, he was greeted with screaming headlines that already threatened the proposed talks. He was heard telling an official, "issey band karaiye." (Stop this kind of press coverage.)

Fifth, the talks prepares the ground for Sushma Swaraj's trip to Islamabad next week. Modi is now more than likely to be in Islamabad for the Saarc summit in 2016. In addition, India can remove the bilateral problem from the table when the world discusses a solution to Afghanistan.

Since Ufa, Pakistan army chief, Raheel Sharif removed Sartaj Aziz as NSA and put in his own man, Nasir Janjua on the job. Which is good for India because it means Doval would be talking directly to the powerful Pak army representative. This is important given the army's role in Pak foreign policy.
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